Educate me on voters rights
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timex 12-Jan-22
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From: timex
12-Jan-22
Ok so voting is a little of pita for me cause my physical is in one district &I use a po box in another district it's close to my work & convenient. I vote at the firehouse. They check my ID I believe to verify my identity & then to verify that I'm at the right location. Sometimes I'm told to go to the other district ??? But no big deal it's less than 10 minutes.

So what exactly are the dems complaining about is it the requirement of id & if so please explain to me how anyone qualified to vote in this country can function in society without a proper ID.

Furthermore there seems to be a racial injustice argument of some kind again ???

Are certain ethnic groups supposed to be exempt from providing an ID to vote

I'm not educated on this matter so please explain.

And try to be civil about it.......

12-Jan-22
One party contends that poor people don’t have access or transportation to get an ID card.

So they contend it’s a round about way of voter suppression. And they then spin into a racial issue. That only minorities live in poverty.

Others say if someone is house bound and can’t get out to get an ID while buying food, cigarettes and booze. An ID can be provided. Or a ride to help them get an appropriate ID.

Basically, One party thinks minorities are too stupid or lazy to get IDs and the other believes all people are equal and can figure out how to get an ID if they want one.

From: timex
12-Jan-22
I will admit that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to politics.

But if I understand the civil rights folks correctly. Their saying that because of inequality a certain percentage of lower class individuals should be given or allowed exceptions to the standards that all others are held to.

Well isn't that in itself some form of reverse discrimination by setting a different standard for a minority.

How can one be equal if not treated equally.

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
"while buying food, **cigarettes** and **booze**"

And we all know that good white Christians don't drink or smoke, hey?

"One party thinks minorities are too stupid or lazy to get IDs..."

One party is betting their entire future on that. Dangerous, because the other party can just make it easier to get an ID. Then what?

Here's my issue - the same people who used to object to a 'national ID' are now pushing for one. It used to be illegal to use the 'Social Security' number and card for ID purposes, now we're insisting on it? (Or the equivalent - will I need *two* national ID's?)

Anybody who thinks just getting a *state* ID nowadays is easy hasn't renewed their drivers license lately. And that's JUST the state license, not the one with the special code that will let you get on a plane to travel. Bring more documents. Your papers, comrade! This country has gotten way too fascist since 9/11/2001...

12-Jan-22
And yet DanaC... in the Chicago area... Democrat stronghold, home base for virtue signaling, white knight, social justice warriors, championing the cause in their paternalistic, condescending fashion every day... those same disadvantaged individuals are required to present their vaccination card and a photo ID to sip their coffee in Starbucks, eat anything in a restaurant, drink anything in a bar, enter a movie theater, workout in a gym, dance in a dance studio...

It almost seems like they don’t care about the arduous process that a State ID entails when it comes to all of these activities... and as you mentioned, travel.

Seems a touch hypocritical.

12-Jan-22
Anyone remember when the NAACP required TWO forms of Photo ID to see Eric Holder give a speech on how voter ID laws are racist?

12-Jan-22
My question is why is it not already required EVERYWHERE? I have to show my voter ID and picture ID to vote here. The people working the election know me but require it. Anyone who doesn't think it is a good idea must want to cheat, I take older neighbors to vote almost every year- yes they have their ID. I just shake my head when I hear this .

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
Jack, election laws are still determined by the States. Shall we further encroach in 'States' rights'?

For the record, I do believe that voter ID is a *good* idea, just not when *federally* controlled.

From: 2Wild Bill
12-Jan-22
"But if I understand the civil rights folks correctly. Their saying that because of inequality a certain percentage of lower class individuals should be given or allowed exceptions to the standards that all others are held to."

That's called "affirmative action" and was written into the federal government by executive order by several Presidents. http://civilrightsmovement.blogs.wm.edu/category/beginnings-of-affirmative-action/ At that time legal equality was being sought by Presidents. However, Supreme Court Justice Harlan, the lone dissenter on the Supreme Court case that found Jim Crows to be Constitutional(1896), stated that the Constitution is color blind. The courts made a wrong and bad decision and our country lived with the disgrace for 58yrs.

"Furthermore there seems to be a racial injustice argument of some kind again ???"

In 1954 in the Brown vs. Board of Education Supreme Court case, Jim Crow laws were overturned as un-Constitutional. Legal equality was acchieved, however, there was a shift in the goalposts of the progressive use of race. The focus on equality was declared to be not enough and "equity" became the new goal. The difference between equality and equity goes this way. Equality means that there is equality of opportunity and equity means equal outcome/lifestyle. Personal rights and effort are not the matters that make the difference in progressive society, but rather, the edicts of government.

Equality is when you accept other people who differ from you without bias and equity is when you don't possess anything that is not common to everybody else, whether it is possessions or rights.

As I see it, some of the people involved in the movement to acchieve equality were put out of work when the legal goal was reached, and that was too much for them to bear. Instead the movement, as I said, shifted the goalposts and used the same arguments claiming that what was on paper did not translate to fact. However, equality of outcome is not a principle sought for in society, unless that society is of a socialist nature. The pilgrims first tried socialism and when it failed, they quickly switched to private ownership of property and the outcome of personal efforts, which has enriched Americans since then.

Democrats know the ID complaint is bogus, but if you repeat a lie long enough, some people will believe it, an old nazi(socialist) tactic.

From: JL
12-Jan-22
The way I see it, if voter rights groups can round up folks and take them to the polling places, then they can round them up and take them to get a photo ID too.

From: 2Wild Bill
12-Jan-22
"Well isn't that in itself some form of reverse discrimination by setting a different standard for a minority."

Absolutely,

The Supreme Court decided a case in 1978, Bakke vs. Regents of the University of California, that appears much the same as the 1897 case upholding Jim Crow laws. The medical student won his case, but the court twisted wording to allow the discrimination to continue as it does to this day.

Equality of persons has been legally established in America, it's just that some people want more equality than others.

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
" Equality of persons has been legally established in America, it's just that some people want more equality than others. "

Understatement of the day.

From: Rocky D
12-Jan-22
“ Bring more documents. Your papers, comrade! This country has gotten way too fascist since 9/11/2001...”

DanaC, did you ever think that 11 million undocumented illegal aliens might be a reason to require voter ID!

Every American is allowed to vote one time and one time only so how would you suggest that we ensure that this freedom is not taken advantage that

Like you stated, you have to have an ID to get through security at the airport to board a plane so there are many places where IDs are required!

No one is complaining about having to show an ID to buy alcohol, cigarettes, or to obtain a gun but it’s fascism if you require one to vote.

I bet that you are 100% behind the ID requirement to purchase a firearm so are you against the poor and the downtrodden to be able to defend themselves. These individuals are the most highly targeted by criminals and live in the highest crime neighborhoods so are you supporting their inability to defend themselves?

Voting Is the single greatest freedom that an American enjoys where an individual can actually participate into the selection of government officials and you sir would provide a gateway for its abuse!

“ (Or the equivalent - will I need *two* national ID's?) “

This comment adds nothing to the discussion but is simply used to muddy the waters.

“ One party is betting their entire future on that. ”

It’s easy to determine which one will gain the most from this legislative act so thanks for undermining your own comment!

Admittedly, I do not understand the liberal mindset but you constantly are waffling back-and-forth as to who you voted for and who you did not vote for as is the case on many other topics of discussion!

This is different from the other liberal counterparts here on Bowsite who do not sabotage their personal convictions!

So are you a liberal who wants to be perceived as a intellectual or are you just a chameleon who turns into whatever you want to be based on whatever group that you’re trying to blend into!

I still say that you’re a bitter old man who wasted his time, energy, and sound mind who failed to reap the benefits of prosperity and wants to hold someone else accountable other than yourself!

From: jdbbowhunter
12-Jan-22
Should be simple. We know what day voting day is every year. So if its that important to vote make sure you have day off. (in person). Photo ID should be required in the form of a social security card with photo. Doesn't seem terribly difficult to me, and don't see how it discriminates. Oh wait gov't would have to issue SS cards with photos. I now see the problem.

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
"you constantly are waffling back-and-forth as to who you voted for and who you did not vote for "

I never 'waffled', I simply refused to tell you. I know that pisses some of you off, but so what? My business, my privacy, my right.

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
" “ One party is betting their entire future on that. ”

It’s easy to determine which one will gain the most from this legislative act so thanks for undermining your own comment! "

I see that BOTH parties think it will work in THEIR favor, and trust neither.

From: 70lbDraw
12-Jan-22
So how do they justify allowing non-citizens to vote? That shouldn’t even be proposed, much less implemented.

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
70, agreed.

From: Rocky D
12-Jan-22

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From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
" I bet that you are 100% behind the ID requirement to purchase a firearm so are you against the poor and the downtrodden to be able to defend themselves. These individuals are the most highly targeted by criminals and live in the highest crime neighborhoods so are you supporting their inability to defend themselves? "

I'm for it but not for that reason - it keeps known, convicted *criminals* from legally purchasing guns and ammo. (And yes, I know there's an underground market, yadda yadda.) I've written *against* 'Saturday night special' laws that keep low-income people from owning affrdable guns.

" Voting Is the single greatest freedom that an American enjoys where an individual can actually participate into the selection of government officials and you sir would provide a gateway for its abuse! "

I'm against providing a gateway for federal infringement in States rights. If you don't trust YOUR state, fix that!

Think about this - if we have federal laws, determined by Congress, WHICH STATES will dominate that process? It won't be Wyoming! It will be CA, NY, MA, IL etc . - all the highest population states.

From: Rocky D
12-Jan-22

From: 2Wild Bill
12-Jan-22
"Think about this - if we have federal laws, determined by Congress, WHICH STATES will dominate that process? It won't be Wyoming! It will be CA, NY, MA, IL etc . - all the highest population states."

That "mob rule" only applies to the House of Representatives, states have equal representation in the Senate, per the Constitution. Another reason why the Electoral College is so important to fair national elections.

I wish we had an Electoral College in our state elections here in Connecticut. The majority of towns in Connecticut are Republican, but the large cities swing, sway and swindle the election outcomes. To this day there is a bag of votes in Bridgeport waiting to be produced if the election is too close for the Democrats.

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
Bill, putting all your hope of freedom on the Senate seems dangerous to me. (I think we agree on the need for term limits there.)

From: Rocky D
12-Jan-22

From: Will tell
12-Jan-22
From what I saw the places to vote were reduced in minority's areas. Some people waited hour and hours to vote. Now they're saying you can't give a person a bottle of water after standing in line for hours. Showing ID should be a no brainer

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
That's 4 times you've posted the same thing. Tired?

"I still say that you’re a bitter old man who..."

You heard the one about the retired guy who's interviewing for a job? The HR guy interviewing him asks what he thinks his biggest weakness is. The old guy says, 'My honesty.' The HR guy says, 'I don't think honesty is a weakness.' The old guy looks him in the eye and says, 'Kid, I don't give a damn what you think.'

My hero ;-)

12-Jan-22

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"Anybody who thinks just getting a *state* ID nowadays is easy hasn't renewed their drivers license lately. And that's JUST the state license, not the one with the special code that will let you get on a plane to travel."

I disagree. After 9/11, the Real ID Act was passed and requires you to prove who you are and where you live 1 time...That's 1 time. Hardly difficult, different maybe. A couple pieces of mail, birth certificate, SS card...you know, stuff everyone should have...it takes about 20 minutes to issue this first Real-ID card, after that renewals take about 10 minutes including photo...

I'm sure people think it's a pain that first time because they need to gather the documents...but difficult, nope.

12-Jan-22
NYC allowing illegals/non-citizens to vote will b challenged. States will fast track anything Schumer passes removing states rights with respect to voting to the SC. We are undergoing the tyranny of an extremely thin majority in the Senate. Manchin needs to bolt his party!

From: Rocky D
12-Jan-22
“The old guy looks him in the eye and says, 'Kid, I don't give a damn what you think.“

DanaC, deflecting the issue doesn’t change the fact that I can read between the lines from your post and determine more about you than you can ever imagine!

“Heuristics are rules-of-thumb that can be applied to guide decision-making based on a more limited subset of the available information. Because they rely on less information, heuristics are assumed to facilitate faster decision-making than strategies that require more information.”

“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate”

Unfortunately, are very different from BEG, KS, and GG!

They are not victims and do not see themselves as such. They are vibrant individuals who are reaping the benefits of a life well lived that was based on conscious decision making! Today, there is term for this called mindfulness.

Their decisions are responses based on clarity instead of countless reactions derived from the subconscious based on how you view the world!

So, as an unwise man once said “I do not give a damn what you think” but I do know how you think!

So, go ahead and back away from your puter and take a minute to reflect upon why you feel the way that you do!

You may want to do a breathing exercise to slow your heart rate and to be in the present instead running on autopilot…

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
"I can read between the lines from your post and determine more about you than you can ever imagine! "

LMAO, kid, you know way LESS about me than YOU can imagine.

From: Jaquomo
12-Jan-22
"You can't give a person a bottle of water if they've been standing in line for hours"

Another leftist lie. Ccording to the new law you're referencing, partisan campaign workers can't give gifts to people standing in line, and that includes Big Macs, donuts, Gatorade, and yes, bottled water. But any ordinary citizen can provide water to people standing in line.

From: Patdel
12-Jan-22
Whats interesting is, they dont care about the voting laws in states they have locked up. They want to change the rules in the swing states....Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia. Nobody gives a shit. They care about Georgia, because theyre afraid they will lose there.

This isnt about racism or discrimination. Its about power and not losing it.

Screaming racism is an easy way to win an argument these days. Anyone who disagrees is racist. See? Its simple. That is all.

From: Jaquomo
12-Jan-22
How do so many Democrats cash welfare checks without any form of ID?

From: Rocky D
12-Jan-22

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12-Jan-22

From: DanaC
12-Jan-22
So, how do we sort the 'partisan campaign workers' from 'ordinary citizens' ?

I suspect that anyone who would be swayed into voting for X based on a 10 cent bottle of water is probably not going to stand in a long line to vote. You stand in line for hours because you are already good and determined to vote for whoever.

From: 70lbDraw
12-Jan-22
So, …people that don’t have access to an ID card, also don’t have access to a bottle of water to take with them while they vote? I guess if you show up with your own bottle of water, it also makes you a racist?

From: Ziek
12-Jan-22
Voting should be made as easy and as accessible as possible. At least as easy and accessible as buying a hunting license. I'll bet you guys would be screaming bloody murder if you had to show up in person, on a single day, at a wildlife office, documents in hand to prove residency to buy a hunting and/or fishing license. The way it is now, there must be thousands of people with illegal licenses adding to over crowding problems. I vote to change that!

12-Jan-22
Somehow, the Left wants you to believe it is racist to ask for photo identification to vote, but not discriminatory to ask for photo ID in order to enter restaurants, bars, movie theaters, or gyms in the name of COVID-19 safety.

Starting Saturday Washington DC residents need ID to get in any business. So how do they square that?

From: drycreek
12-Jan-22
Here’s the scoop ! Dems will use any underhanded method to win, that’s all you need to know.

From: ahunter76
12-Jan-22
Voter ID required for so much in our society but one of the most important "rights" we have in the U.S.A. to appoint our leaders & I.D. required is a problem.. As always, this is only political.. LET the VOTER decide. Put IT on the ballot. I would like to see 1-Photo ID required to vote 2-U.S. Citizenship ONLY (no brainer) 3- Mail in voters to include a require statement WHY not able to vote in person. Disabled, out of state ect...

From: txhunter58
12-Jan-22
Wow. Coming to Bowsite to get voting info. I just don’t recognize this place any more.

I sure wish he would bring back the political forum!!!!

From: JohnMC
12-Jan-22
Ziek I got checked this weekend by the game warden. I had my hunting license on me. Drive license in truck next to me. I gave him my hunting license then had to get DL out of truck. He checked it asked who I had permission from and told be to have a nice day. But I did have to show drive license. So yes I had to show government ID to hunt. Second voting integrity is more important than someone buy a hunting license in someone else name.

No one on the right is bitching about not having to vote on election date. That is not the point. Mailing out mass ballots like junk mail is the issue. Nothing stopping some one from gathering them up and filling in Biden or Trump. That is the issue. If you can't or don't want to vote in person requesting a absentee ballot with a few checks and balances is more than reasonable.

Vote is a right that putting out slight effort for should be expected. 1) show up on election day and vote or 2) request a absentee ballot that requires a little proof to show you are who you say you are but still not onerous.

From: jdbbowhunter
12-Jan-22
Needed more documentation to buy a hunting license in state or out of state. Than you do to vote.

From: azelkhntr
12-Jan-22
I wish we would return to the standards of voting the Founders originally adopted. In order to vote you had to be a freeman, a citizen and most importantly a "real property" owner. which means you had to have a stake in the success of the Republic and its continuance. Indentured servants, slaves, women and foreigners of course could not vote. What we have today is chaos that is destined to collapse. When the takers can vote for themselves the fruits of the labors of the makers you'll soon have a marxist form of rule.

From: bill v
12-Jan-22
Question: is ID required to sign up for Welfare?

From: timex
12-Jan-22
Jaquomo .......exactly my thoughts.

I live in the 2nd poorest county in va. The abuse of the welfare system in my area is unbelievable. Living in government housing driving a Lincoln. In line every Tues & Thurs at the food bank to get that free hunters for the hungry Deer burger that the tax payers pay $50.00 a deer to have processed. And using inequality as an excuse for laziness.

Don't get me wrong there are folks here that truly need the welfare services & im 100 percent for that. I donate deer to my local church that cooks meals for the needy.

But have no patients for the able folks abusing the system.

From: timex
12-Jan-22
Here is a great example. There's a women (black) educated & smart. She runs the scales at the county landfill where I dump trash. Her salary is not great but for my area above average at roughly $ 15.00 an hour plus county benefits. Her son in his 40s somehow got diagnosed with a mental disability. He has a daughter that she has parental rights of. Her daughter has 2 fatherless children that somehow she has parental rights of. Between herself the disabled son & the 3 granddaughters she receives more money from welfare than at her full time job. Drives a brand new car & lives in a nicer house than mine. But she believes 100% in racial inequality.

From: Ziek
12-Jan-22
JohnMC,

Lucky you. I've been hunting & fishing in CO since 1973. I've been checked in the field since then only 5 or 6 times.

You're from CO so you know our voting works great. Once you prove who you are and request it, they send you a mail in ballot that you can either mail in, drop off, or ignore and vote in person. We use to mail them in, but since Trump's unqualified crony appointment to Postmaster General who tried to cripple the mail, we drop them off. I don't know what every other state does, but in CO voting is secure, accessible, and convenient.

"I wish we would return to the standards of voting the Founders originally adopted."

azelkhntr, We've come a long way from only allowing white, male, property owners to vote. You do know the definition of "real property"?

From: JohnMC
12-Jan-22
Ziek I believe you are incorrect on having to request a mail in ballot in CO if you are a registered vote you get a mail in ballot. Also I think you are usually wrong but Azelkhntr statement was asinine. If you are a citizen of the United States and not a felony you should be able to vote with a ID regardless of the color of skin, male or female even the ones that can't seem to figure it out, the poorest American or the wealthiest, even those that have not figured out yet we need four more years of Trump ;) .

12-Jan-22
Every person needs to be a US Citizen and show ID to prove that they are who they claim to be. Not that hard, yet the waters have been tainted for years. You need to show ID to enter any federal building, military base, doctor's office, school building, job site, airport, to purchase a hunting/fishing/trapping license, get a library card, rent an apartment, get a loan/mortgage, get married, etc... But to vote, nah, it's okay, just go right on in.

From: Ziek
12-Jan-22
John, you are correct. All REGISTERED voters get a mail in ballot. That's a far cry from "Mailing out mass ballots like junk mail..."

From: HDE
12-Jan-22
If they can bus in voters, they can bus in the same voters to get their ID's...

From: JohnMC
12-Jan-22
No not really when a few million ballets hit mail boxes at the same time. I bet with no ill intent many end up in the wrong hands. Someone or group of folks with ill intent could easily cast a lot of ballets for Polis :) us Republican's would never do that. It is well know the voter roles are far from up to date. What happens to the ballots sent out to the dead, or moved for just one example.

From: azelkhntr
12-Jan-22
Ziek12-Jan-22Private Reply "I wish we would return to the standards of voting the Founders originally adopted." azelkhntr, We've come a long way from only allowing white, male, property owners to vote. You do know the definition of "real property"?

Sure and look where that has gotten US. I didn't say whites only because that was never true in the beginning. There were many free black citizens who were qualified and able at the beginning of the Republic. Racial restrictions originated below the Mason-Dixon line. If you're not invested in ownership of real property you shouldn't have the vote IMO. Letting women vote was also a bad idea. They're mostly incapable of separating their reason from their emotions. If you're making decisions about govt based off of emotions you'll almost always be wrong. And that's a big reason why the filibuster matters so. Democracy (mob rule) is antithetic to the Republic.

From: JohnMC
12-Jan-22
Azelkhntr said “ Sure and look where that has gotten US. I didn't say whites only because that was never true in the beginning. There were many free black citizens who were qualified and able at the beginning of the Republic. Racial restrictions originated below the Mason-Dixon line. If you're not invested in ownership of real property you shouldn't have the vote IMO. Letting women vote was also a bad idea. They're mostly incapable of separating their reason from their emotions. If you're making decisions about govt based off of emotions you'll almost always be wrong. And that's a big reason why the filibuster matters so. Democracy (mob rule) is antithetic to the Republic.”

That is a more dumb than the crap the lefties post on here. Please shut up. That is come from a right winger.

From: KSflatlander
12-Jan-22
JohnMC X2. Yes, that’s crazier than the stuff I post. Just backing you up John.

From: TD
12-Jan-22
I had to prove I took a Hunters Safety class as well as ID to get my license. (That might be kinda cool, require a voters safety or competency test to vote, never happen, but kinda cool) Out of state I usually have to do the same or prove to them I am licensed in my state and sometimes proof that I have legally taken animals in my state. That was MT if I recall, but many years ago. It was tough as not much in the way of tags issued to hunt here, much less validated tags.

BUT.... if somebody gets a false hunting license to hunt with.... it doesn't INVALIDATE mine like an illegal vote would for someone. Or say a suitcase full of them......

IDs with the "star" on them are required to fly coming this year if I recall. Those are "confirmed" IDs that require birth cert, passport, etc. sometimes 4 forms including utility bills and such. Got mine already.... but THAT'S an ID mate......

"Normal" state IDs are easy and I believe all that is needed. IDs should be required as well as signatures that can be verified. Should be able to go back and look at all votes and be able VERIFY exactly who it was that placed the vote and that it was legal for them to do so. If not..... go away. Note that is not seeing WHO they voted for as that is illegal and should always be so.

Can't give out bottles of water to those dropping dead in line..... BS. Yes they can. The polling place themselves can have water on hand and issue it to anyone who wants it. By those officials vetted and registered by law. Not some clown with a D or an R on their shirt handing out politically branded goodies.

But you all know this has nothing to do with making it easier to vote nor depriving anyone of the ability to vote. (much less making them die in line.) It's plenty easy to do right now. If it's too hard then like everything else "too hard".... don't do it. Hate to imposition you to carry out your right. Rights are like muscles and brain cells.... they have to be exercised to make full use of them.

This is 100% about making it easier to cheat. 100% about allowing non-citizens and others not legally qualified to vote. You know, like actually being alive to vote. And voting ONLY ONCE in the only county/district/state you are qualified to do so. Not allowing others to fill out your ballot they just pulled out of their azzes for a six pack of beer or pack of smokes. Only vetted and qualified people to handle votes in a certified, verified under penalty of law chain of custody. Not out of the trunks of somebody who could be anybody's car. Or coolers in wagons out of vans. Or counted with no witness behind cardboarded up windows. Official registered observers denied access. The list goes on. With voting and with counting votes.... if it even LOOKS bad it IS bad.

You know, simple, open, verifiable honest things to prevent evil dishonest things from happening, to facilitate catching those who do. And burning those POS caught doing dishonest things into dark spots on the ground.

From: trublucolo
12-Jan-22
Enough of the nonsense you speak of TD….. ;-)

From: Aspen Ghost
13-Jan-22
With mail in voting now fully implemented it's pretty senseless to even discuss voter ID.

From: azelkhntr
13-Jan-22
From: JohnMC12-Jan-22Private Reply That is a more dumb than the crap the lefties post on here. Please shut up. That is come from a right winger. ////////// Well ok then cowboy ;)

From: Shaft2Long
13-Jan-22

13-Jan-22
NYS DMV is an agency run by a notoriously backwards/corrupt state government. That being said, as bad as their reputation is for long lines, inept and rude personnel, I was able to renew my license/get the upgraded enhanced one within 10 minutes. I brought down all of my documentation, and the man behind the window all but told me to put 99% of it away, that everything was in order. Learn from experience, if they ask for one from column A and 2 from column B, bring everything from both columns, their attitudes can change like the wind. And here in NYS, those who are under the poverty line, receive Welfare/WIC and are issued a photo ID from the state. If they can produce it to accept government handouts, then they should be able to produce it vote.

From: Woods Walker
13-Jan-22
You have to prove who you are to legally purchase a firearm, and that, like voting, is a guaranteed Constitutional right. In many states, like here in Illinois there's a STATE ID (with your photo!) you also need to purchase firearms as well as ammo, which you must PAY FOR! At the very minimum one should have to show proof of ID to vote! But then, that would be consistent and make sense, which the lying Democrat scum have proven time and time again that they have no intention of doing.

From: KSflatlander
13-Jan-22
I agree that ID should be a requirement of voting. It’s really not that hard.

From: Rocky D
13-Jan-22
^^^^^^^^

Absolutely!

From: Ziek
13-Jan-22
Agreed. Every citizen should have to have a valid ID for many things, including voting.

From: wraith8
13-Jan-22
DanaC "So, how do we sort the 'partisan campaign workers' from 'ordinary citizens' ? I suspect that anyone who would be swayed into voting for X based on a 10 cent bottle of water is probably not going to stand in a long line to vote. You stand in line for hours because you are already good and determined to vote for whoever."

The issue wasn't becuase people were handing out water to those in line, it came up because the campaign workers were handing out 10 cent bottles of water with the normal labels replaced with one that had their candidates name on it. Basically, they were handing out campaign material in violation of the rules/laws related to electioneering, a detail those complaining about the new law conveniently overlook.

From: Jaquomo
13-Jan-22
I want to know how the MSM is doing with their count of Biden's "lies", like this one about the bottled water. Since they don't report it, presumably he never tells a lie.

Which is great to know, because Biden said if you are vaccinated, you can't get the virus. Which means all this news reporting about vaccinated people getting COVID is nonsense. Can't be happening

From: Will
13-Jan-22
Simple summary - the voting rights act is basically just updating bills passed in the 00's (and decades on end prior to that).

The aim is to create a standardized baseline for access to voting across all states. Baseline. It includes min 2 weeks early voting for any municipality/town with >3000K residents including PM's and weekends and over at least 10hrs a day.

It permits people to vote by mail or to drop the ballot at drop box or polling place, while gauranteeing those votes will be counted if posted on or before election day and arrive within 7days of election day.

It makes election day a national holiday so we can all go vote smoothly.

It creates uniform standards for voter ID's in the states requiring them.

It makes it a federal crime to lie in order to lower the odds or make it harder for people to vote - for example putting up sham signs/fliers which would lead someone to try and vote in the wrong place or day, thus missing their right to vote. It also increases the penalties for voter intimidation.

It restores federal voting rights for people who have don jail time - making for a uniform approach vs the current this and that of different approaches around the country.

Requires states to guarantee that the max wait to vote would be 30'

through using pre-existing measures in place within many states, it creates standardized voter registration. Automatic voter reg via DMV's, permits same day registration, online registration and requires states to notify people if their names were removed from the polls during a purge and provides instructions so they can get it corrected and not miss an election.

Bans partisan gerrymandering.

Requires any group/person who spends more than 10K in an election to show all of its major donors to help clean up dark money in politics.

Makes it harder for PAC's to coordinate with candidates, and requires any advertisements to ID who is paying (IE, an ad isnt "Citizens for Superman" it's "Paid for by Proctor and Gambel, 3M, Koch Bros, Berkshire Hathaway etc")

Increases the ability of the Federal Elections Commission to ensure candidates run elections legally.

Protects local election officials from intimidation/threat or from being fired for partisan purposes (because they are non-partisan - for example, R dominated election officials who rightly executed elections in fall of 2020 in many places have been intimidated and pushed out in favor of hyperpartisan systems and replacements - that would not be legal)

It prohibits voting machines that do NOT have a paper record.

The JLVRA has a few other issues. It was voted in - often by R's and D's still in the senate/house today - for decades. In the 20teens the SCOTUS decided a formula used to ID states which needed to have any voting access rule changed assessed by the DOJ was no longer calibrated correctly, thus the law was gutted. It's update would basically adjust that so the formula was calibrated to today, and that any state which had issues requiring DOJ review of voter access changes could see that mandated review eliminated after 10years without issue (breaking of laws by the state).

From: 70lbDraw
13-Jan-22
I’m sure somewhere in there is a clause to ban unvaccinated conservatives from being within 100 feet of a voting facility.

From: Woods Walker
13-Jan-22
"It makes it a federal crime to lie......"

And....WHO will enforce that, the FBI? The FEC? The DNC? Oh wait...the CDC? LMAO!!!

From: strin
13-Jan-22
Voter Dem bill is over. Fillibuster rule wont matter they dont have a majority . Sinema has just announced will not vote for the two Vote steal Bills or to change rule. Its over.

They do not have a simple majority to do either. That was quick. Good day all.

From: BC
13-Jan-22
This proposed bill is a trojan horse designed to further corrupt the election process. Keep it simple, show up at your polling place on election day, present a valid ID and vote. If you're sick, out of town or can't make it, request an absentee ballot. Simple and it has worked fine for years.

From: trublucolo
13-Jan-22
Let's look a little closer at what Will's "simple summary" of Bidens fantasy is glossing over-

-"Ban state photo voter ID laws, including prohibiting any ID for absentee ballots or the signature of a witness, making it impossible to verify the authenticity of the vote.

-Require states to implement same-day voter registration, giving election officials no time to verify the accuracy of the registration and the eligibility of the voter or to anticipate the number of ballots and election workers needed at polling places; - Heaven forbid people who wait until election day to register to vote have to wait a little bit.

-Degrades the accuracy of voter registration lists by severely restricting the ability of states to verify the eligibility and qualifications of voters and removing ineligible voters;

- Require states to allow online voter registration not tied to an existing state record on an individual, such as a driver’s license, which would open up registration systems to massive voter registration fraud by cyber criminals;

-Require states to automatically register individuals to vote from state and federal databases, such as state Departments of Motor Vehicles, which would result in the registration of ineligible voters, including aliens, and cause multiple registrations of the same individuals (the sponsors know this, which is why they’ve put in an immunity-from-prosecution provision for aliens who get registered);

-Give unaccountable and unelected bureaucrats at the U.S. Department of Justice veto authority over most election changes made by state legislatures – an invasion of state sovereignty that violates federalism and overrides the decisions of the voters and their elected state representatives to determine the election rules for their state;

-Require states to restore the ability of felons to vote the moment they exit prison, voiding state requirements that criminals first complete all the requirements of their sentence such as parole, probation and restitution payments to their victims;

-Provide a public funding program for congressional candidates, forcing taxpayers to support candidates they would never vote for or send campaign contributions to.

-Force states to provide drop boxes for absentee ballots without requiring any security protocols, as well as force states to allow voter trafficking, i.e., letting paid political operatives, candidates, campaign staffers and others with a stake in the outcome of the election to pick up and handle absentee ballots; and

-Implement a whole series of restrictions and changes to federal campaign laws that would limit political speech and turn the Federal Election Commission into a partisan law enforcement agency.

The Census Bureau reported that in 2020 we had the highest turnout in a presidential election since 1992 and the highest turnout in this century. The voter registration rate in 2020 was higher than in the 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016 elections. There is no "voter suppression" going on.

The “Voting Rights Bill” would interfere with the ability of states and citizens to determine - the qualifications and eligibility of voters, ensure the accuracy of voter registration rolls, secure the fairness and integrity of elections, participate and speak freely in the political process, and determine the district boundary lines for electing their representatives."

From: 2Wild Bill
14-Jan-22
Thank you Trubluco. I was certain Will saw only what he wanted to.

From: Old Bow
14-Jan-22

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From: smarba
14-Jan-22
Good one Old Bow

From: azelkhntr
14-Jan-22
IMO elections for Federal Offices should be abolished. The number 1 reason for corruption at the Federal level is $$$$. Candidates are bought and sold in their quest to secure a position in the House, Senate and Executive via their respective Parties. Eliminate the party hold over these elections and the corruption will mostly be done away with. The States can still entertain the Party systems but get them out of the Federal positions of Power. Return the Republic to We the People not the special interests.

From: TD
14-Jan-22
The best memes are based in truth, pointing out the absurdities of lies.

That one was spot on.

From: ILBow288
14-Jan-22
It's quite simple: They claim it's because poor people cannot get their hands on an ID. The truth is they want illegals and dead people to come out and vote for them. If ID's were truly the problem, why would we not remedy the issue by making sure everyone gets an ID? It's like trying to make your car go faster by reaching up and pushing the speedometer with your finger.

From: trublucolo
14-Jan-22
Would be a lot cheaper to provide the entire populace of the United States with a free, government issued ID designed specifically for voting, than what they're spending to pass the initiative. Tells you all you need to know about it being about voter ID right there.

From: 2Wild Bill
14-Jan-22
azelkhunter,

"IMO elections for Federal Offices should be abolished." - I do not agree.

During the Confederation Period, before there was a Federal Government, the country was in trouble because states had issues with each other and within their own borders that needed an agreement between all the states to compromise and work together. Therefore the states delegated a constitutional convention to hammer out a form of government agreeable to all states. What came out of that convention was todays Constitution. The document contained promise for the future and stability in their own time. The ratification of the Constitution produced the "Federalist Papers", which you may have heard of, as the people endorsing the Constitution wrote to the common citizens of all the states in an attempt to make clear the meaning of the document to all. Not all writings were Federalist, some were Anti-Federalist and pointed out what they thought were faults in the document. One fault most often stated was a lack of enumerated rights of the people, later to become known as a "Bill of Rights". The Federalists admitted that as a valid point and there were promises to include such a bill as amendments once the Constitution was ratified. One year after the formation of the Federal Government under the Constitution, ten of the twelve "Bill of Rights" passed by the Congress were ratified.

The corruption you complain of is a result of a slow turning away from the original intent of the Constitution. In incremental steps politicians , not statesmen, have manipulated their office for personal enrichment rather than the business of the people. "We The People" have allowed this to happen because of our choices in who we elect to office even at the local levels. The morality of people today has degraded and it is reflected in the leadership in politics. The constraints of the Constitution have been eroded over time to the point where the Federal Government is in the position of a tyrant.

'No people that have lost their character, kept their liberty."- Lawrence W. Reed

This was foreseen by the writers of the Constitution. In fact, it was pointed out to them at the moment they thought they were finished and about to sign the document. It was at that instant that George Mason of Virginia stood and asked if they were all so naive to believe that a tryanical government would right itself to favor the people? They were all dumbstruck and silent after months of debating every word they had cobbled together. They had made no provision for the people to amend the Constitution, only the Federal legislators. Statesman Elbridge Gerry stood and proposed that wording be added to Article V that would allow the people to muster their state legislatures to pass a resolution calling for a convention of states. Once two thirds of the states passed a commonly worded resolution, under the Constitution, a convention of states would be held for the purpose of producing proposed amentments based on the items of business in the resolution. Today that would require 34 states. When the amendments are passed by the convention they are then sent to all the states for ratification. Those amendments would only become law when three quarters of the states accepted them. Today that would be 38 states.

Today there is a Convention of States Project underway. Fifteen states have already passed a commonly worded resolution and last year twenty six states have considered the same resolution before both or one remaining house of their state legislatures. There are five million supporters and they can be found in all fifty states. For the last two years covid has hindered the message of the organization, but once the crisis is past, there are many American patriots hungry for a means to right the country.

The resolution being offered by the Convention of States Project calls for term limits for Federal employees, not just elected offices, a reduction of excessive Federal spending and perhaps a balanced budget and a constraint on the overreach of Federal authority, which has been accomplished by agreements between two or all three of the branches of government, despite the plain language of the Constitution.

I am a volunteer. I believe I can do much more than simply vote and grumble. Since I learned that the founders provided a means for WE/me the people to turn the direction of our country from chaos/socialism to a restoration of Contitutional order, I am getting busy about doing what I can. What you can do at the VERY LEAST is to visit the Convention of States website and sign the petition. And should you go there, be sure to go to the bottom of the page and you will find a menu item is small print that says "COS University", click on it and view the free videos there.

https://conventionofstates.com/

From: azelkhntr
14-Jan-22
I'm already all over that Bill. I'm also a candidate for the US House in '22.

From: 2Wild Bill
14-Jan-22
Wait a minute, you want to abolish elections for Federal office and you are a candidate for Federal office? What party, and what is your plan for avoiding the corruption?

How do you intend to operate a republic without representatives?

From: azelkhntr
14-Jan-22
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Candidate Statement: Pending Approval

My Fellow Arizonans.

I am Tom Donohue, a Conservative Constitutionalist Independent candidate for CD 2.

I'm a happily married faithful husband and we have raised two children whom also call Arizona home. I'm a Christian, US Navy veteran, a member of the RMEF and former member of the Association of Surgical Technologists. I worked professionally 23 years as a Certified Surgical Technologist specializing in Orthopedic, Neurological and Vascular trauma procedures. During that time I came to learn of the many issues facing our Healthcare in America today.

My values are found rooted in the Holy Bible, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

We are at a critical juncture in time where petty bureaucrats and corporations dictate to politicians what our lives will be going forward. We have a duty to uphold our Constitution and resist all attempts to have Marxist fascism thrown upon US. I cannot be bought, bribed or blackmailed and will dedicate my service to the good people of Arizona and the United States of America. My door will always be open to you. Vote Tom Donohue for CD 2.

With humility and respect. TD

So that's my official campaign statement. Democrats are now Marxists and are openly telling US so. The Republicans have lost their way. They refused to stand by President Trump when he; and we deplorables; needed them to. They refuse to purge the Party of the rinos amongst them. If they can't even keep their own house in order what makes anyone think they're going to actually help them? Like millions of others I am going to be voting for the person and not the Party line. My proposal to change the way Reps, Senators and the Executive are selected has to be done through the Legislative process. So I have to work within the existing framework. The number one corruptor in life and politics is money. The question is how do we eliminate that? I will propose that all of the above be selected via a lottery. Every 2 years a lottery is held for the House; 4 for the Executive and 6 for the Senate. All eligible voters will be entered into the data base and then the lottery held. Say 20 picked individuals per position. Say Bill G. is selected for President along with 19 others. The SS comes to your door and says Mr. G you are the no: 1 eligible voter selected to be the next President of the US. You have 24 hours to agree or decline in which case they move on to the no: 2 and so on. Same for all the open offices. Now of course we're going to need solid standards in place so we don't end up with brain dead individuals like Brandon in the Executive. All selectees must be American citizens as required by the Constitution and all must be real property holders in their respective State. All must first swear and sign allegiance to the US Constitution. That eliminates a lot of our problems right there. the beauty of this selection approach is that it puts the average American Citizen back in control of this country's destiny just as the founders intentioned, envisioned and died and lost their fortunes for. And that's how you get the stench of money out of the Federal Gov't. Party politics will also be outlawed at the Fed level. If the States want to keep entertaining the crooks then that's up to them.

From: JohnMC
14-Jan-22
What is a woman is picked AZ? Since you believe they should not be able to vote can they hold office?

From: Old Bow
14-Jan-22

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John MC. I don’t have a problem with a woman running for office if she looks and acts like this one

From: 2Wild Bill
14-Jan-22
az,

The existing choice of candidate procedure is a principle from the scriptures. That is the people choosing their leaders with a knowledge of them, not a lottery. Deuteronomy 1: 13-18

"All must first swear and sign allegiance to the US Constitution. " That is already done per Article VI of the Constitution. Why didn't you know that?

"And that's how you get the stench of money out of the Federal Gov't." Hardly. Winning the office by lottery will be like winning a monetary prize, and all the spenders will come to you.

Party politics are ideas on the directions government should take. Should a Federal office holder take on policy and positions which any party agrees with, the accusation of collusion is inevitable. If parties exist on a state level, all people will fall somewhere in the spectrum and then hold a Federal office without bias? I think not. Little Israel has a coalition of parties in a seventy seat assembly. Votes come to those parties from all over the country and are not regional in nature. The seats are assigned to the parties by percentages of votes they recieve from the general population.

The Senate should return to office holders being selected by the state legislators as it was in the original Constitution. Repeal Amendment XVII.

Aside from your ideas of restructuring the government and some yada, yada, yada about your personal matters, I could be persuaded to vote for you. Maybe a bottle of water for me as I stand in the hot sun waiting to vote and the label is actually a gospel tract. :)

From: Beendare
16-Jan-22
A legit election system is key to a fair and equitable government.

The current US system in the last election opens the door to corruption. We literally have become a 3rd world country.

The folks getting propaganda from CNN are not hearing the facts.

Look at audits in Georgia and Arizona- its criminal. Heres some facts from Voterga.org

The U.S. District Court found on Oct 11th, 2020 the Dominion Voting System that was used in the November 2020 election is unverifiable to the voter and in violation of two Georgia statues

There are six sworn affidavits of counterfeit mail-in ballots in Fulton Co. election results scaling into the tens of thousands

State Farm Arena video shows at least four violations of Georgia election law Approximately 43,000 DeKalb Co. drop box ballots have no chain of custody forms to authenticate them

Tru-Vote Geo tracking showed evidence of ballot harvesting teams driving repeatedly to drop boxes in Fulton and Dekalb

All 350,000+ original in-person ballot images in Fulton are missing in violation of federal, state retention law

All 393,000+ original ballot images in Cobb are missing in violation of federal, state retention law

At least 17,720 certified in person recount votes have no ballot images in Fulton 18,325 voters had vacant residential addresses according to U.S. Post Office

904 voters were registered at a P.O. Box address which is illegal

All or large parts of 2,000,000 original ballot images from 70+ Georgia counties are missing

Failure to make mandatory check of ballot envelope signature to signature on file resulted in absentee ballot rejection rate drop from 3.47% to .34% allowing about 4,400 extra dubious ballots to be counted

The U.S. District Court found Secretary of State’s office “not credible” on August 16th, 2019 [pg70]

A report compiled by Matt Braynard and his team at Look Ahead America provided specific, verifiable evidence that likely illegal ballots exceed the margin of victory in the Presidential race

Statistical abnormalities identified in many GA counties by former Army Intelligence Captain, Seth Keschel show that it is implausible that the election results are correct

THEN, go read the affidavits detailing corruption….the system the Democrats are pushing makes it easier to cheat.

.

From: strin
16-Jan-22
Yes this was discussed last nite in AZ. Over fifty thousand people there.

Brnavich going forward with some fraud vote issues soon.

There can be little doubt now. We will see Orange man in 2024 and with a huge pile of Campaign Cash.

Strin

From: KsRancher
16-Jan-22
You did it now Beendare. Someone will be along shortly to post a link to some "fact checker" and show that your spreading misinformation.

From: Beendare
16-Jan-22
KS, Im not some tin foil guy. The facts are out there and its criminal. Read the links to some of the affidavits.

Talleys from different precincts that have zero for Trump and every single vote for Biden. Thousands of ballots disappeared. Nothing suspicious there, eh.

Heres a simple concept; Make the voting a buying a gun rules the same.

( That common sense comment would have been cancelled on the woke moderated Rokslide)

From: 2Wild Bill
16-Jan-22
Beendare (and Dondat),

Sidney Powell is tenacious and still America's best person to present to the courts the facts on voter fraud and election corruption.

From: Tiogacruiser
17-Jan-22
Picture ID and voting in person except in very limited circumstances is needed to ensure that the vote is secure and accurate. Oregon went to vote by mail many years ago and it's too easy to cheat. The voters said no drivers licenses for illegals by a 2/3 majority and the legislature and governor overturned the will of the people so the illegals can get signed up to vote when the get their drivers license. If your not a citizen no voting but the democrats won't support that.

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