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From: TD
02-Mar-07
Thanks Pat, great timing! They're starting to eat each other up here!

I'll keep an eye out for the tricks, but you always seem to get me somehow anyway!

Thanks again!

From: kman
03-Mar-07
Is that the theme song from "Rocky" I hear????? Kman is 1 for 1!!!!

From: steve
03-Mar-07
Missed the first one already .

From: JTV
03-Mar-07
I need more coffe NOW!! Drats...I had it right and I clicked the wrong line !!!!! Drats!! Drats!! Drats!!(insert your own expletive for Drats!!...LOL...)...Jeff

From: vt_hunter
03-Mar-07
I have been waiting for this for quite a while.

From: x-man
03-Mar-07
So let me get this straight... we're TRYING to hit the leg bone?

From: Scully714
03-Mar-07
I got it right...I figured shoot a bit lower in case he jumps the string since he probably will since he know's you're there...

From: ar troy
03-Mar-07
Love these things Pat, thanks!

From: txhunter58
03-Mar-07
Scully, but that is not what he said, and I quote:

"assume this angle is exactly what you see. Do not attempt to compensate for the camera. Also, you are picking the HITS, not the targets. So you must assume that the dots are where you arrow is HITTING."

Even after I got that one wrong, I am still going to have to pick D out of the four options. Given the angle, you should double lung him and not chance hitting the bone. Yes, a 500 grain arrow will probably do its job even with C, but I am not going to take that shot (C)

From: Stekewood
03-Mar-07
Hey Pat, How the heck did you score a 3 on your own game? LOL

From: HuntinHabit
03-Mar-07
I think C is the perfect shot, it is above the leg bone and drops that deer quickly. D is pushing a spine shot, or at least the mythical "void" just below.

From: skipmaster1
03-Mar-07
A and C are too low, you may miss the offside lung. B will probably only catch the back of the near lung and the liver. D would be the best option. sure you aren't shooting much KE but you shouldn't hit any bones with that shot. You should be just behind the scap, below the spine and above/behind the front leg bone.

My shot would be D, reguardless of what is "correct" here.

From: x-man
03-Mar-07
With the leg back like that, both C and D will have to go through bone before vitals IMO.

"A" will only catch one lung if any, and B will take out one lung and the liver.

None of these are "ideal" but I think Pat knew that to begin with. This whole senerio is a "no-go".

From: Scully714
03-Mar-07
txhunter,

You are correct. I overlooked that part, but at least in my warped incorrect version I turned out right lol

From: HerdManager
03-Mar-07
You "bone" guys are way off.

You can see the deer's leg bone through his skin. Shot C is perfect and ABOVE the bone.

You hit that deer on the "C" spot and you'll watch him fall. The angle is not steep so you will take out both lungs and part of his heart.

From: HerdManager
03-Mar-07

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From: TD
03-Mar-07
I agree, C is the shot. His heart might just fall out by itself when you're cleaning him 30 yards or so from there. (I would imagine on an urban hunt you can still gut him if you bury it?) Well above the bone with the exit just behind the off leg.

I don't particularly care for any of the others. One is close to a spine shot and another is a liver with maybe 1 lung at that angle, with another low and away for a ball. Although any of them are probably lethal eventually. OK, maybe one "void". LOL!

From: mike b
03-Mar-07
Hello fellow bowhunters: I missed that one.I would have taken B,D because like you said the spot is where the arrow penetrates. None the less it still would have been next to the potatoes and gravy.Looking forward to the next clue.

From: txhunter58
03-Mar-07
Herdmanager: I think you are optomistic in your drawing. Take a look at this site ( http://www.skookumarchers.com/Archery%20Library/WhitetailShotPlacement.htm ), and then extrapolate where it would be if the right leg is back like it is in this deer. C comes awfully close to the bone. Granted, it would probably pass above the bone, but I am not absolutely sure.

From: beardogg3250
03-Mar-07
I think C is the best shot option But you better be on your game, a touch to hi or low and you could be in for a long day.

From: Jeramiah
03-Mar-07
Finally!

From: x-man
03-Mar-07
heardmanager,

Pass me some of what you're smokin'

From: Buckstopper
04-Mar-07
I too thought "C" was too risky. But if you miss the bone it is deadly!

From: HerdManager
04-Mar-07
The question didn't say "shoot for" any of the spots. It said that EXACT spot is where your arrow WILL hit.

C is above the leg bone and a perfect "smoked em'" shot.

From: joshuaf
04-Mar-07
None of those are good shots. Wait till the front leg is forward, anything else is asking for a gut shot or a shoulder blade/leg bone shot.

Joshua

From: walkerhound
04-Mar-07
I agree with 'C' as the shot to go for, but as far as the order of the rest, it's debatable. It's above the humerus and will smack the heart or just above it. If he steps forward and wheels to his left on the shot like it looks he might, it's a knockdown. 'A' is a liver shot and may catch the paunch on the exit. 'B' is a liver +/- right lung and definitely paunch on the far side. 'D' is catching the thick part of the scapula but will be a high lung right and center lung left if it penetrates. Again, if he steps forward, this shot hits dead center of the scapula and you've got a wounded deer that you may or may not recover. The best shot is 'C' and the only choice with that shot as the best was answer 'B.'

From: skipmaster1
04-Mar-07
will a 60# bow with a 500 grain arrow penetrate the scapula? I believe it would. I made a follow up shot this year on a 250# buck with my 55# recurve, blew right through the scap and buried in the sternum(he was on his side) at 17yds. I've never had a scap stop a 70-80# compound before. just wondering.

If "D" even hit the scap, it would just clip the edge of it. You should have no problem getting 2 lungs.

"C" is a very good shot, you will drop the deer fast BUT will not let you get 2 lungs. You may however clip the heart.

From: txhunter58
04-Mar-07
Cha Ching. Got a total of 9 now. He almost tripped me up with the "not", but I was wise to his devious ways! Probably the only one I will get right on this thing!

From: luke
04-Mar-07
don't quite agree on the bd thing. Entering the rear of the near lung with a quartering towards shot will get a gut exit and be hard to follow. I missed the word "not" in the second question. Love these things! Wish we had one a month.

From: sbjones73
04-Mar-07
well i got the 1st one right then didn't get the wording correct and guessed wrong on the 2nd one. darn it!!! trickiy tricky!!!!

From: Homebru
04-Mar-07
Hey Pat, Asking negative questions "what can you NOT tell.." is widely known as a very poor method of testing. It's not tricky. It's overtly deceptive and does NOT in any way test one's knowledge (look at any book or website related to writing test questions). You should be ashamed of yourself. homebru

From: Tater
04-Mar-07
LOL @ Pat

From: sportyg
05-Mar-07
the arrow entery point was a dead give away on question #2.. Question 1 took some thinking.. I based my pick on the impact area in relation to the back leg and where I think the arrow would exit

From: Wolfy
05-Mar-07
The deer did "not" fall over in the video or description.

From: ThunderStick
05-Mar-07
First of all, I shoulder bladed a 130 this year, he got away, but I found His sheds in a food plot in Feb. I will not shoot forward on a deer again there fore the two foreward shots on the deer are out of the question for me. I only got about three inches of penetration and I am still sick. Second of all, I did not see the deer die, in the video therefore I cannot tell if the shot was fatal. Then again I am probably just bitter for scoring so low. Thanks for the diversion though.

From: JTV
05-Mar-07
"C" would have nailed him, not even close to the bone. I'd take that shot in a heart beat and have done so on more than 1 occasion with a deer waiting at the end of the blood trail.....No coffee needed for #2...LOL...so far so good...Jeff

From: jax05r
05-Mar-07
I think D is the best. at that angle ...his leg is back too jmo

From: Scottland
05-Mar-07
I disagree with zero points for not telling if that hit was fatal. You can't see the dear die. There is a great chance the hit was fatal, but you can't be sure of it.

From: duck
05-Mar-07
love these blood trail programs, but B is gut shot at best

From: Framer
05-Mar-07
not fair!! not fair!! not fair!!!! I wouldn't say that that hit was a pure gut hit

From: Yana
05-Mar-07
18 so far Oh yea ya gotta read it !

From: ar troy
05-Mar-07
Shot looked a little back, and a little low. I don't see how you know it's fatal. Oh well...

From: bullelkklr
05-Mar-07
How can you tell that the arrow passed through? Sure - it went fletching deep -but I missed the part where it went plumb thru.

Shoulda knows - did look like he got some liver...

From: JTV
05-Mar-07
Pass thru or shoot thru...as long as it pokes a hole in the other side...I dont care...LOL....Jeff

From: Katahdin
05-Mar-07
Pat: What you can't also tell from the shot is that is fatal. I got it wrong but how many times do we think we have a killing shot. You can not tell that it is fatal unitl the deer is dead and that was not on the video.

Please explain you reasoning here. Thanks

From: joshuaf
05-Mar-07
It appears that the arrow hit the deer at an angle that would make it coming from somewhere to the left of the camera. That certainly could change one's perception of the shot "impact site" choices.

Joshua

From: HerdManager
05-Mar-07
You guys have to start READING the questions....................................

From: Yana
05-Mar-07
not to mention if you watch the video and stop it you can see the arrow in the ground. That arrow went through midship its a dead deer...they are not going to have a deer that lives on BT hello LOL.

From: ar troy
05-Mar-07
OK, we "know" it is a fatal shot from clue 2, we also know there are some coyote around. What are we hunting for, bones?

From: ruletherut90
05-Mar-07
well im 2 for 3.that question 2 was a good one.i see your reasoning

From: BuckSlayer
05-Mar-07
Guys, I don't know what's going on! I usually suck at these. I guess all the great school'n i'm picking up here on Bowsite is starting to pay off. Guess i better not toot my own horn. Usually doesn't turn out well! ;)

From: Yana
05-Mar-07
wait time is always up for discusson...

From: sbjones73
06-Mar-07
3rd one got 3 points. the coyote thing kind of stuck with me. going to soon could kick him up. so--- ok. i am learning.

From: kota-man
06-Mar-07
No way do I wait THAT long before going after that deer, but it's not my game so I get my first "0"...

From: J.E. Travis
06-Mar-07
I'm just wondering, since I waited but not long enough apparently, what the odds are of someone else bumping this deer are? After all, you're doing a cull hunt in an urban area. There have to be other folks around. Or is the area totally closed off? And, if it's a cull hunt, why do you shoot a buck anyway?

I love the hunting shows that talk about pigs being a problem...and they shoot the boar, not the sow that's carrying 12 piglets. It ain't about management...is it?

From: fuzzy
06-Mar-07
"wait 6 more hours" after a hit like that!? Come ON! I want to get that one butchered and get back on-stand and nail a coyote on the gutpile!

From: jax05r
06-Mar-07
yea I agree....A blood soaked arrow...hair and in a yote area...I am still hunting my way to that deer in an hour....

06-Mar-07
I thought 4 hours was plenty based on that hit. Definitely got liver, probably near lung. That deer isn't going to be alive in an hour, much less 4.

6 hours seems excessive.

From: CHRIS J
06-Mar-07
I think Pats weeding out the multiple computer cheaters. Anyone who gets them all right gets kicked out. ;)

From: walkerhound
06-Mar-07
Come on people, it's 8am, the dogs are asleep! Overnight is a different story. Go grab yourself a breakfast burrito at the gas station, take care of business, then come back in 6hrs and find him. No reason to hurry. Another point about the shot - it's fatal. I agree that a deer ain't for sure dead until you find him, but a deer shot through the guts with a broadhead at the very least is going to die of septic shock in 6-24 hours. Where he is when that happens is up to you, next hillside or next county.

From: pipe
06-Mar-07
does the multiple computer technique work while up in the tree?

From: Meathunter13
06-Mar-07
The shot looked sketchy the deer knew it was coming, it wasnt a great angle... He's on high alert. Go take a nap in your truck grab a coffee and come back. Besides its a urban hunt. You want to be chasing a wounded deer through how many city parks?

From: Treefarm
06-Mar-07
This is the first time I have ever led the pack. Christmas is done.

From: Yana
06-Mar-07
very tricky ... I like Christmas!

From: hmaxims
06-Mar-07
I suck

From: txhunter58
06-Mar-07
"The following clues will be much more difficult."

GREAT!!! Maybe I better quit now.

From: kickstand
06-Mar-07
I only said 6 hour because I know Pat allways waits longer than I would

From: kota-man
06-Mar-07
Very smart Kickstand...I went with what I would've done and it cost me...I would've taken up the trail after an hour...A lot of these things are subjective, but it is Pat's game so you need to think like Pat...Good call...

From: Stekewood
06-Mar-07
If this were my trail, I would have waited six hours. I only said one hour, because a couple of bloodtrails ago, I got the answer wrong because there were coyotes in the area.

AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!! These things are GREAT!!!!!!!

From: D2
07-Mar-07
NOOOOO!!!!......I was batting 1000 and went to put in D on #4 and my mouse wheel scrolled up when I hit submit.....NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

From: kman
07-Mar-07
I cry NO FAIR:)

There was a lot of blood at 40 yards and none from 0-39 yards. Not a drop.

That deer must have stood there for a week to pool up that much blood....especially with no trail for the first 40 yards.

I am also surprised that the deer stopped at 40 yards for that long considering how spooked he was on the shot.

Can you guys help a brother out here!!!!

From: LongbowBob
07-Mar-07
This one like the last one is far too many tricks and games for me. I'll spend my time elsewhere.

LBB

From: JTV
07-Mar-07
D2...welcome to my world :0) .....Jeff

From: TD
07-Mar-07
Pat, a very Merry Christmas to you too!

LOL!

From: recurve geek
07-Mar-07
Pat, you mean to tell me that you checked all the trails out to 200 yards and the best answer is the deer stopped running? Ok, I see that since there is a nice pool of blood where he stopped However, if that deer is not laying dead right in front of you then something must have plugged the holes. No more blood for 200 yards?? Just when I thought I was out.... they drag me back in....

LOL

From: recurve geek
07-Mar-07
Pat, please explain... bloody arrow, good blood on the ground, no fecal matter on the arrow or in the blood, why wait more than 1 hour if you don't have too? You know the deer is dead. Oh that's right you reviewed the hit on film, I forgot that option you have. Is that part of a real blood trail? step 1... review video.

just good clean fun

From: alaska1171
07-Mar-07
You know I have never lost a lethally shot critter in the real world but I really suck at these Interactive Bloodtrails.

I’m pulling my hair out over here.

From: Cacman
07-Mar-07
I need to slow down and READ and then think like Pat. Question 1 - I had the right answer until I looked at all the answers and then my abdc's got mixed up. Question 2 - RTFQ!!!!!! ya dummy!!!! Question 3 - 1 hour and I would be going, oh, well. Question 4 - RTFQ and then remembered question 1. whoopee!!! Finally got a 9!!!

07-Mar-07
I don't get how to do it. I didn't get my choice offered as I saw it.

From: Meathunter13
07-Mar-07
An animal doesnt "magically" stop bleeding when its running, They are just getting too old to find blood when the animal is moving. Heart rate increases... So when he is running there should be more blood but spread out over a larger area in a finer mist if "Nothing" plugged or clotted.

Sure glad this isnt the "real world", or I wouldnt be able to eat venison every night.

From: noazelk
07-Mar-07
Seeing the location of the hit, with no intestinal matter or dark blood on the arrow (dark blood on the leaves 40 yards out were caused by six hour of drying), plus 'yotes having been seen in the area, I would have taken a calculated yet justifiable risk and left immediately. Needless to say, I got “zip, zilch, nada” for number 3.

From: ArrowShooter
07-Mar-07
On clue 5, both 1 and 7 are equally possible in my mind. I picked 7 only because a deer that is no longer bleeding much is more likely to leave sign in heavy cover.

Frankly, I can't think of any compelling reason (given the clues) to pick 1 over 7. Both are very possible. Did I miss something?

From: Greg Kush
07-Mar-07
ArrowShooter,

This clue isn't so much what is 'likely', it is about what actually 'happened'. I thought the first 4 clues were easy, but when I read #5 I was sure that I was going to get knocked out. To make mattters worse, I studied the diagram and reread earlier clues for about 10 minutes before making my choice and then when I was going to answer, my choice wasn't an option! At this point, I went with the one that was nearest my choice and kept my fingers crossed--it was right!

From: kota-man
08-Mar-07
#5 is just a total wild @$# guess...I went with the most obvious and what do you know :}

From: steve
08-Mar-07
Arrowshooter I am with you I went for the heavy cover . Steve

From: hornybuck
08-Mar-07
Question #5...Paunch hit deer almost always go to water...#1...that was my reasoning anyway.

From: Jimbob
08-Mar-07
From Question 4 "The three of you check every trail within 200 yards of this spot. Not a single drop is found"

Then in question 5 it appers to me that #1 is within 200 yds.

From: kickstand
08-Mar-07
I thought that was too obvious. DAMIT

From: JTV
08-Mar-07
Heavy Cover and water....simple.... :0) ....Jeff

From: Phil
08-Mar-07
Pat you suck.

Do I get to be on the board if I score 0 total points in the end? :-)

From: JCW
08-Mar-07
I thought like Jimbob, #1 was too close (within 200 yrds) and #2 wasn't an option. I decided he stayed along the creek, so I picked #4.

From: Elk Hunter
08-Mar-07
The NOT go me!

From: whipplebuck
08-Mar-07
yea I agree spot 1 is within 200 yards thats a bogus one, replay pat we need a replay review.

From: Meathook
08-Mar-07
I used the same logic #1 didn't appear to be within 200 yards picked thicket near water which would be the first place I looked.

Bad clues given in question 4.

From: HuntinHabit
08-Mar-07
According to the legend, Spot 1 is exactly 200 yards from the last blood spot. That's a big time clue. You have to figure Pat would have stated "no blood within 300 yards" if it was too much more than the 200 yard point. There's a reason the distance was on the legend...

I have never gone 5 straight questions with correct answers before. Probably just jinxed myself, but I think I'm learning how to think like a Pat. 8*)

From: Greg Kush
08-Mar-07
HuntinHabit,

That's the same thing I did. From clue #4, I knew the next spot of blood would be right at 200 yards or just a bit beyond 200 yards and I figured it would be close to water. It looked like #1 was right at 200 yards, so I was going to answer #2 to make sure I was not within 200. Since #2 wasn't an option when I went to answer, I went with #1. After doing these bloodtrails for so long, I seem to be picking up on how Pat's mind works, but I'm sure he will get me on one of the remaining clues. :)

08-Mar-07
So much for paying attention to detail. I just did the bloodtrail today at work,, I missed the one where he stopped 40 yards away.. DAMMIT!!

:-)

Pat, this is good stuff. LOL Jay

From: recurve geek
08-Mar-07
and I thought 22 was my lucky number...

From: HuntinHabit
08-Mar-07
Yeah baby, that's 6 for 6. Could I actually get through an entire Challenge with a perfect score? Doubtful, I'll probably get confused on the last question just like The World's Greatest Tracker. LOL!!

From: Greg Kush
08-Mar-07
I'm out. My first instinct was right, but I didn't think he would have two in a row where the obvious answer was actually correct so I decided to go with a different answer. Dang, just when I thought I was figuring out how Pat thinks.

From: Mighy Mouse
09-Mar-07
I figured that with the hit being potentially a bit too far back the deer would head for water.

I figured that the blood drop wouldn't have been found while he was in a wet marshy area, but after he exerted himself hopping the creek.

If it was my tracking job, I would be looking in Area A and Area B for this deer. I would predict him to head for water and bed up not far from it in the thickest stuff he could find.

From: Jimbob
09-Mar-07
search all areas- of course search all areas but what area are you going to search first? I figure it was good to follow the water first and search towards area D. Search all areas come on! man I'm gettin killed on this one.

From: Big Nine
09-Mar-07
Evidentally you need to think like Pat, Not nessaserially like yourself....I am starting to figure him out after starting out slow....i have aced the last three clues!.....

From: JTV
09-Mar-07
I'm thinking either A or B...but with my luck he hit that big trail along the creek and went north to C/D..... Water and heavy cover....water and heavy cover?????...I did say check all didnt I ??..Jeff

From: Phileag1
09-Mar-07
I really need to read the questions and the answers. I could have sworn the question asked "where do you check first".

In fact, I never even stopped to read the answers once I decided D should be first. I didn't even see that 'All areas' was an option. Pretty observant, huh?

09-Mar-07
That last question was just cruel.

From: deer tracker
09-Mar-07
I got it right but it was painful. I spent 15 minutes staring at the blood and trying to align myself with the map, before even reading the answers. I was relieved to see D because I didn't have a clue. Nice one Pat!

From: Deerman1
09-Mar-07
All I know is if Pat was using a Slick trick, these blood trail challenges wouldnt be nearly as much fun

From: JTV
09-Mar-07
Ouch !! .....Jeff

From: got_elk?
09-Mar-07
Deerman1,

I agree, a head with a bigger diameter would have done some more damage, a pass through in this case only did one thing initially.. allowed the hunter to find his arrow. No doubt the deer is dead, but tough finding where he went. I think we see a lot of lost deer on BOWSITE and IMHO the reason they don't get them is a marginal shot with a low profile and small cutting diameter broadhead. This allows a mortally wounded deer to get farther away and further from being found.

Still love these bloodtrails, regardless of my rantings.

From: Davy C
09-Mar-07
Pat, The video clip in #2 is pretty clear to me. I can tell its not a COMPLETE gut shot. In clue #3 Your arrow seems to confirm it and I think it will be revealed that the deer did too. What I can't see from the video is the arrow in the dirt behind the deer therefore, I can not tell if it was a complete passthrough. You owe me some points.

From: got_elk?
09-Mar-07
Sorry davy, if you listen to the video, you can hear the arrow hitting the ground. I say pat takes away 9 points for quibbling.

09-Mar-07
Davy,

Then you must think there is a chance the deer will survive?

I think not.

From: mrm
09-Mar-07
The ? is what area not areas! on ? number six.

From: Horn Donkey
09-Mar-07
If you see the deer in Clue 7 you are lying to yourself and us.

From: ArrowShooter
09-Mar-07
Boy, I better take that buck outta the freezer and put him back in the woods. I still can't see the tail in the photo. Maybe in real life, but not in the photograph.

From: OHBowhntr
10-Mar-07
I agree with ArrowShooter, and Horn Donkey, I think I'll need to see another pic proving to me that the buck was in that picture. I've blown it up until it's too distorted to see, and still don't see him.

From: Greg Kush
10-Mar-07
Took a guess and got it wrong. Even with the description of the location, I can't see it. When this blood trail is over someone has to circle it to show us where it is in the photo.

From: Deerdreamer
10-Mar-07
I used to like Pat...

grrrr.. *&%!#!!

From: HuntinHabit
10-Mar-07
That's just not right. I knew I wouldn't make it all the way though. I see it now, but no way would you know that it's a deer from this a picture, and you have to blow it up to even see it...

10-Mar-07
Nobody should feel bad I was there and still have screwed this up badly.

From: JTV
10-Mar-07
See What ????????????????????????????????? *^$$%^**!! Dagnabitt!! :0) ...Jeff

From: Jerry ©
10-Mar-07
You mean Helen Keller smelled the deer.......LOL

I messed this trailing all up......I should know not to try and out think Pat :)

From: JTV
10-Mar-07
Oh, by the way I dont see any heavy cover or water!!??...ALL AREA's 'eh.....Jeff

From: alwayslookin
10-Mar-07
This was my first BT Challenge......scored 48, how is that?????? Felt like I was taking a reading comprehension test though. And, assuming I waited to get out of the tree for a while......4 hours was probably worth more than 3 points......arrrrghghh! Also........all areas ???????? Duh, ya search til ya find it.......but I am going to start somewhere.

From: GregE
10-Mar-07
Always Looking- you're hooked now.

There are 22 other BTs in the Interactive Section going back to April 99. Most are helpful with good learning points-- this one was a mess.

http://www.bowsite.com/TEMPLATES/articles.cfm#7

Greg

From: recurve geek
10-Mar-07
This is Pats way of messing with us during the off seasons..

And I quote:

Get the Excedrin bottle ready - this one will make your head hurt.

Pay attention to wording and look for tricks. First one with a perfect score gets to post his favorite trophy photo on the bloodtrail!

From: TD
10-Mar-07
Where? I still can't see it, even with the clues. Gonna need some flagging tape for this one. Or one of those CSI photoshops.

I think I heard sinister laughter in the background, turn up your sound, the picture has a sound track.

Oh well, no matter. I lost it on #5 anyway.

allwayslookin, there's one more left isn't there? Jeez, maybe I got that wrong too.

From: Yana
10-Mar-07
funn stuff Pat ... Uhh I seen no stinkin deer rigged I tell ya! LOL

From: Termin8r
10-Mar-07
I cry foul on question 6 as well. It specifically asked for "what area", not "what area/areas", thereby eliminating the correct answer as Pat saw it.

I mean you have to start looking first somewhere....

So you get dinged if you misread the question (ie. the "not") and you get dinged if you read the question......

From: Termin8r
10-Mar-07
How does the fact that the deer was alarmed relate to the lack of blood on the trail? The lack of blood had to do with the shot placement, not whether the deer was alarmed. I've shot alarmed deer which had plenty of blood on the trail....

From: GregE
10-Mar-07
Arghh!! 30 Points- 39 IF I'd read # 2 better.

G

From: jamaltwy
10-Mar-07
Pat

I think this was your best!!, I was doing good until question 6 and 7 they skunked me I still can't see that deer!!! Keep them coming ......

From: alwayslookin
10-Mar-07
WOW, my wife is gonna kill me. This site ROCKS, I am an AT junkie, but I am addicted to this site. I got re bitten by the traditional bug and was told to check out this site. All this and I did not get thrashed over my first post!!!!! Thanks, PS......should I do this with sound.....I always mute my computer.

From: Treefarm
10-Mar-07
I see a deer in #7, even antlers. Look at a bedded buck in D off the left side of the tree with the shaggy bark. I bet it was the dead deer's twin brother laying low to see what's wrong with the other buck. AHHHH, I also am seeing little devils, they're chasing me AHHH.

From: BowTech130
11-Mar-07
This is the first Bloodtrail Challenge I've done. You were right about the headache! Great job, I enjoyed it. Glad you found him, goes to show don't give up!

From: CPAhunter
11-Mar-07
Post the picture where that deer is laying. I too saw antlers poking out above the rock in picture D. My eyes aren't that old.

From: huntnut10ga
11-Mar-07
Clue 7 all I see is rack behind the rock in D

From: DevilFan
12-Mar-07
Pat,

How long did it take you guys to find the deer from when you first started tracking? Congrats on the buck.

From: deer tracker
12-Mar-07
Great challange! Congratulations on finding the buck. How long did it take?

From: JTV
12-Mar-07
Whew!!!!! I'm glad this is over. The heck with excedrine...I went to the oxycontin and vicodin :0) ....What was the time frame on the recovery?? .....Jeff

From: broadhead
12-Mar-07
Some clues I blew like check all areas lol.I just winged it on the spot the deer one as I didn't see it but figured that's where it would end up. Pat can you point on the map where the buck finally ended up?

From: Meathunter13
12-Mar-07
Guts plugging the hole wasnt correct earlier but it is now? HOLY indiscrepancies.

From: DRR324
12-Mar-07
I thought they were designed to keep me from working too hard....wait, I figured out how to do that a long time ago. Pure entertainment and trying to work on my mind reading skills, Pat's mind is a tough one. Thanks for the interaction, and lets get a new one rolling soon!

From: fuzzy
12-Mar-07
I scored a 54, and all my answers were (to me) correct. And hey! Pat, you are right, I've always, found the deer on every one of these, even if I missed every question. I get to the end, and there's the dang deer!

From: ruletherut90
12-Mar-07
hey can anyone show me where that deer is? i still cant find it

From: Elk Hunter
12-Mar-07
I never did see it either, I even cheated and enlarged the pic and still couldn't see it. Great game though. I normally do pretty well. This one kicked my tail!!!!!! Ready for the next one!!!!!

From: x-man
12-Mar-07
Eeny-meny-miny-mo. & I got it right.:0

From: Team T & A
12-Mar-07
UHHHHH..Where's the deer?????????????

From: Mike/ky
12-Mar-07
me see no deer either

From: RK
12-Mar-07
Good Game, Fun Times

Pat lets do another one SOON !!

RK

From: sportyg
12-Mar-07
LMAO... I knew all the right answers and answered somw wrong anyway. based I what I would have done had it been me !!! I knew spot 1 had to be the blood spot but picked another sopt based on were I though the deer would go.. Boy did I blow that one.

From: Airsick
13-Mar-07
I can't see the deer either.

From: Fabow
13-Mar-07
Pat, I think I know what broadhead you used on this hunt, are you re-thinking this broadhead or is this just a fluke liver hit?????????

From: ruletherut90
13-Mar-07
hey pat can you post a pic with a circle around the part of the deer that you can see? thats driving me nuts.

From: buzzard
13-Mar-07
Great interactive blood trail. Looking at the map in clue 6 I am curious about which way the buck was actually found? Was it across the brook and into the thicket? Or somewhere else? Also from the last blood did the deer go up hill? I guess I would expect the deer to head for the thick stuff and would have focused my search there first.

From: ArrowShooter
13-Mar-07
That's the tail? I thought the voices were lying when they said that spot was the tail.

By the way, how does alarming a deer make it bleed less? I suppose tension in the body could act to put pressure on the wound, but as a point of fact, the more panicked they are, the higher their heart rate and blood pressure go. In my experience, a deer that runs in a blind panic usually bleeds like a stuck hog. I've shot deer that don't realize their hit. They run a short distance, stop in confusion, and then walk away. They don't seem to bleed nearly as hard, even when hit just as well.

From: Bob H in NH
16-Mar-07
Pat, did YOU spot that deer from there? I'm impressed if ya did :-)

From: CPAhunter
16-Mar-07
Those antlers are still poking up behind the rock. You should have recovered that buck too :)

From: Trophy8
16-Mar-07
"Pat, I think I know what broadhead you used on this hunt, are you re-thinking this broadhead or is this just a fluke liver hit?????????"

Pat clearly stated what BH was used. I agree, BH had nothing to do with the bloodtrail. It was shot location and path of the arrow, vitals hit that made tracking diffelcult.

"In my experience, a deer that runs in a blind panic usually bleeds like a stuck hog. I've shot deer that don't realize their hit. They run a short distance, stop in confusion, and then walk away. They don't seem to bleed nearly as hard, even when hit just as well."

Its all about shot location, I have to disagree fully with your statement.

From: ArrowShooter
17-Mar-07
If you read what I said, I stated that I didn't agree that panicking the deer made him bleed less. In the last question, Pat said that the deer was alarmed and that made him bleed less. My experience would indicate that it would probably make him bleed more.

And yes, shot location counts for a lot. So does broadhead sharpness and number of blades. The wound here was a marginal hit wihch was the primary cause of the poor trail.

From: Cacman
18-Mar-07
Looking at some of these scores it seems like some people are doing the challenge AFTER looking at the discussions!!! 8-)

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