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Whitetail Deer
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M10mobile 02-Jan-12
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From: M10mobile
02-Jan-12
Oh my the first one almost had me. Bring on #2.

From: GAFFER1
02-Jan-12
no whining - you are a funny guy!

From: nijimasu
02-Jan-12
here we go...

From: grizzlyadam
02-Jan-12
I can't believe I got that one right. Without giving away any answers I will say that question had me thinking really hard about what the trick was. Shot 4 will result in no recovery. Shot 2 looks to me like a good candidate for an over the spine shot which would also result in no recovery. That was tricky!

From: Tyler Hall
02-Jan-12
thank god for another blood trail challenge

02-Jan-12
#1 seemed pretty straight foreward. Pat, putting this together and then doing it yourself to get on the score board? Couldn't help but notice.

From: Brotsky
02-Jan-12
I need to get my OMG version thinking cap on for this one. I blew that first question because I wasn't thinking like Pat! Ha!

From: Darryl
02-Jan-12
Pat - Thanks for putting out another one of these. Great New Year's gift!

From: x-man
02-Jan-12
I agree, the spine is much lower. That shot hit nothing but muscle and will leave less of a permanent wound than hitting the tenden in the hind leg. But it's still fun.

From: Buckstopper
02-Jan-12
Have to agree with JTV and x-man.

Check out the thread I started "Another Void Picture' if you do not beleive us.

Not whinning just saying.

From: Ilhunter123
02-Jan-12
Tenderloin, not the spine

From: Mooseninja
02-Jan-12
#2 is definitely too high for spine. Through the "void" (loin) and cut the belly of the deer behind her.

From: mouse
02-Jan-12
I have never recovered a deer shot in the 2 area but have recovered deer shot in the 4 area.

From: Fulldraw
02-Jan-12
I could be wrong but tenderloins are under the spine not on top of them. The back straps go on both sides of the upper portion of the spine. I think its a spine shot deer. I will never shoot there on purpose to find out but if I ever hit a deer there on accident I guess I will find out.

I did hit a deer through the tender loins once she died in about 50 yards. Blood everywhere I think I hit the main artery under the spine and thru the tenderloins

From: ELKAHOLIC
02-Jan-12
Im already frustrated!@*&^$. That #2 is over the spine!!!!! really difficult to recover! Taking my ball and going home! :]

From: XMan
02-Jan-12
LOL, I didn't know backstraps could take them down so fast :) thats over the spine.....

From: Bowbender
02-Jan-12
LOL.... Sorry Pat that ain't a spine shot.

Not whining, just sayin'

From: Swamp Yankee
02-Jan-12
I would never take any of those shots EVER!!!

Blood all over that corn what a waist, Im not that rich.

From: Fulldraw
02-Jan-12
Me too.

From: hntnfool
02-Jan-12
I don't think he'd go very far without back legs, just saying.

02-Jan-12
I also felt that the spine shot was slightly high but might cause partial paralysis by hitting the spinous process.

From: x-man
02-Jan-12
The vertical bones in the vertebrae won't take her down. You have to hit the spinal column(blue line). Your spot is too high for that, no matter what the angle.

just saying

From: txhunter58
02-Jan-12
No matter the angle?? Sure the angle matters. Steep enough and you go right through the spine. Too shallow and you skip over the top.

#2 was the only hard one, but due to the downward angle, if you hit in that exact spot, I felt it would pass through the spine. But angle is critical, so can't say for sure. Sure wouldn't want to test this opinion on a live deer. But since this is the OMG version, figured it has to be a spine shot.

From: txhunter58
02-Jan-12
But that doesn't even broach the question would you take the shot. What if the arrow in #2 deflects upward and slices into the deer behind. The question tells you that it is a clear shot and there was no option not to shoot, but I would not have taken the shot with the deer behind.

From: x-man
02-Jan-12
Okay, I should not have said "no matter the angle", I'll give you that. But I doubt the shooter is more than a foot or two above the camera, and from the camera angle, 99 out of 100 deer will NOT be recovered with an arrow in that yellow dot. And the one that is recovered would be recovered because it got hit by a car while running away.

From: Jimbob
02-Jan-12
LOL This is going to be fun

2 above the spine 3 stomach/guts 4 maybe a vein or artery 1 perfect

02-Jan-12
Well now, wasn't that fun?

Reminds me of my first four deer !

From: bigbuck
02-Jan-12
#3 would be the 2nd easy recovery if you didnt chase it to early,feel #2 is a little high to pu him down for a spine shot!!

From: wkochevar
02-Jan-12
Hello people.....it's a game , and an OMG game at that( we knew that right outta the box). So much for the whining. I think I get a bigger kick out of the discussions than I do the challenges. Have fun!!

From: Busta'Ribs
03-Jan-12
Fooled me!

I agree that the spine shot point of impact may be a little high so I got that one wrong guessing that deer would surrive and be the most difficult to recover.

I've also had some experience with hock shots and have had to put a finishing shot in to end it but did recover the deer.

The lower intestine shot is obviously fatal but could take a very long time for the deer to die. I helped track a huge Alberta Bow Zone buck hit there and it wasn't recovered for over 50 hours. And even after all that time a finishing shot was necessary. Without snow and some extreme dedication there is no way that deer would have been recovered.

Fun start, let's go with #2.

From: Stekewood
03-Jan-12
Got me too. Too high in the back for spine shot imo, but the only opinion that matter's is Pat's! Looking forward to the rest of the clues.

From: KJC
03-Jan-12
It's a given that #4 is the hardest to recover.

That leaves only two possible answers.

If #2 is above the spine it's a harder recovery than #3

So the correct answer would be 4,2,3,1 if it were above the spine.

That's not a choice so #2 has to be a spine shot and the easiest recovery.

From: BowSniper
03-Jan-12
I thought the idea of #4 was a femural artery for a major blood trail, and that #2 was over the spine. Its a FUN game of trying to think you know what Pat thinks you think he is thinking..... !!

From: HockeyDad
03-Jan-12
OK - Clue # 2 is a total guess, and like most of my multiple choice tests in school, I guessed wrong.

From: snapcrackpop
03-Jan-12
grr!

From: Gumby
03-Jan-12
Got #1 but missed #2......really thought that Pat was just screwing with us on that photo. Couldn't be a second hunter cause he'd have to shoot through the other doe. That's one wicked arrow flex and pretty good penetration for that angle. Hmmmm gonna have to think more on the next question. :)

From: DRR324
03-Jan-12
I whiffed on #2 as well.... color of fletching on the "blood trail challenge" looks more yellow than the green ones in the clue pic... guess I guessed wrong!

From: milnrick
03-Jan-12
Swing and a Miss! I took the 'photoshop'bait.... on #2.

From: Vermonster
03-Jan-12
I thought the arrow hit the shoulder bone in number 2 making it kick. I went with none of the above. that will hurt the final score!

From: Medicinemann
03-Jan-12
I hit the key to scroll down and see the choices....oops....wrong key! It acts as the enter key!! Dumb a$$....

From: Fulldraw
03-Jan-12
I missed with the photo shop bait

From: Jack Harris
03-Jan-12
I actually thought the arrow passed through TWO deer and that was the 2nd one... What an idiot! So I chose "none of the above".

03-Jan-12
got to wonder about arrow flex that far up to the fletching... more like deflect off bone and arrow took another angle, but dare I question the master... hehe (note: Pat has 9 points too so he doesn't even believe it!)

From: BowSniper
03-Jan-12
I thought deer had jumped and turned in photo at that point, so chose None of the Above. Its like the damn SAT's all over again !!!

From: fuzzy
03-Jan-12
the back shot was too high for EVEN a spne shot, therefore practically zero chance of recovery, the rear leg shot actually has a higher chance of resulting in a dead, recoverable animal....

From: Hunting555
03-Jan-12
Like many others, I thought Pat was messing with us on #2.

From: dm/wolfskin
03-Jan-12
Is crying whining? mIkE

From: blg
03-Jan-12
#2 = Good one! Must have a real quiet bow :)

From: ELKAHOLIC
03-Jan-12
blew #2 also, should be called OMFG bloodtrail challenge. ;)

From: Stekewood
03-Jan-12
It's not even close to a given that #4 is the hardest to recover.

From: bowdoc
03-Jan-12
see, i was thinkin pat was really messin with us...#1 heart shot run 100+ yrds bled internally no blood to follow...#3 gut shot but didnt go far, tough to follow but laid down and died...#4 hit the artery in the leg and followed the garden hose blood trail...#2 spine shot no tracking required! but i didnt pick that answer and still got it wrong!

From: Jimbob
03-Jan-12
I'm callin BS on that photo, there is no way the arrow flexed that much, the fletching is a different colour and its different deer from the first question. HA HA this is fun

From: KJC
03-Jan-12
The femoral artery doesn't come down to the hock. There's no major artery in that area of the leg. There's almost no muscle. I've seen and killed (2) enough three legged deer to know your almost definitely not going to recover a deer hit in that area.

03-Jan-12
No complaint but a request. Is it possible top see the explanations after you close the question then come back? If so how?

From: hntnfool
03-Jan-12
I thought the arrow possibly changed direction due to glancing off of the leg bone.

03-Jan-12
That is a logical explanation.

From: Greg Kush
03-Jan-12
When I read the choices for clue #2, I literally laughed out loud. Fun stuff. hee hee

(Oh, yeah. I guessed wrong on #2, of course.)

From: Deerslayer
03-Jan-12
This has been the easiest blood trail for me so far. It's kind of funny, cause I usually don't do well on the regular blood trail challenges. :)

From: dlpassthru
03-Jan-12
If you think #2 on the first question is a recoverable deer, Pat, then now I know why it took you like 10 years to kill an elk. That shot is Way above the spine!!!

From: Knife2sharp
04-Jan-12
I got #1 right. I filmed a friend who shot a buck out of a blind, where the arrow nicked the window and the arrow entered pretty close to where that #2 shot is. The arrow did not hit bone and did not pass under the spine, however the deer only ran 10-15 yards and piled up. He definately hit a major artery.

In Pat's anatomy photo, what is that round orange thing above the intestines?

From: 153
04-Jan-12
THese challenges definitely get one to thinking about anatomy and arrow placement.

Also, it is apparent that opinions vary.

Who of us can TRULY be regarded as "expert" on this (shot placement) topic anyway?

And even if that person, or persons, are singled out as "expert" who really listens?

From: 153
04-Jan-12
Since this challenge is NOT meant to be educational, then I have no idea why it is being done.

THere is a wholebunch of mis-information associated with the challenge. I hope nobody takes it serious.

Kinda like watching some deer porn.

From: blg
04-Jan-12
#3

I now know I am not Smarter than a fifth grader :)

(but then I haven't been since 4th grade)

From: Biggen
04-Jan-12
Did learn more about GMT. Dang it!!

From: Gumby
04-Jan-12
OUCH!!!!! #3 You're killin me here Pat......... I even went and found a time converter on the web and double checked it too........ but missed that one tiny point....... uggggghhhhh.

From: mark land
04-Jan-12
I hate you Pat!!!!! JK

From: flinger1
04-Jan-12
your buddy said 30 min. from the shot , which would be 5:40 by your watch and since your the one tracking , your watch is the only one that matters , even if it said it was 3:30 am , dont matter if your watch is wrong or not !

From: Nick Muche
04-Jan-12
I took into consideration the little "trick", however my dumb@$$ calculated the time difference from MST (where I live) to GMT instead of EST to GMT.. Darnit!

Nice one!

From: pogo
04-Jan-12
I feel like I'm taking another psyche class.... at my age?

I only got the shot placement question right so far. :)

From: Knife2sharp
04-Jan-12
I got it right! I was hoping that it would be wrong, then I could tell Pat he was wrong. But I forgot to watch the video, I guess the video is pretty pointless.

From: Knife2sharp
04-Jan-12
Rancid, the question and answers are valid. Pat did not have to tell his friend what time his watch read, only that he shot it 10 minutes ago, and the question was what time did his friend give in GMT. If it wasn't going to be a trick question, Pat wouldn't have included EDT, but rather Eastern Time.

From: Bdgr
04-Jan-12
I wouldnt have taken a shot I dont care what you say, that doe behind her is in danger of having an arrow in her. 1. if you happen to make a poor shoot on the doe your aiming at and 2. if you arrow blows thru the first deer.

From: Fulldraw
04-Jan-12
I actually got it right. However I agree watching the shot is pointless. Was it just me or does it look like the shot is a miss.

From: steve
04-Jan-12
This one sucks and Pat only hunted a hour on this hunt.

From: steve
04-Jan-12
This one sucks and Pat only hunted a hour on this hunt.

From: Jack Harris
04-Jan-12
I thought the whole premise was bogus because no way that deer was shot at 5:10 PM as it was pitch dark in NJ at that time on that date, so i just answered none of the above. That deer was shot in broad daylight.

How nefarious to assume my watch was incorrectly set for EST????? wow that is as low as it gets...

I'm not playing with you anymore :)

From: Stan NJ
04-Jan-12
Please refer to Post #1....

"Well, you guys asked for an OMG Edition so NO WHINING!!!!!"

Just have fun and relax :)

From: XMan
04-Jan-12
3 points after 3 questions. I am going for the worst score of all time!

From: hbelyeu
04-Jan-12
Is it just me or does it look like the arrow is flexing before it gets too the deer on the shot video. Someone needs to tune their bow.

From: Busta'Ribs
04-Jan-12
I don't get this one at all.

Why would I call or listen to my buddy after a shot like that?

I don't care what time it is or isn't, when I hit one like that I'm gonna have blood on my elbows before anyone else ever knows what I'm up to.

Are there even deer in Grenwich?

From: dlpassthru
04-Jan-12
I'm sure the next question will read something like " what color is the sky in this picture? A. green B greenish c. somewhat green d. sorta like a greenish green color."

From: Jimbob
04-Jan-12
LOL reading the comments are more fun then playing the GAME. I hope Pat is enjoying this.

From: lewis
04-Jan-12
omg

From: bill brown
04-Jan-12
He would have told you to start hunting at either 5:40 EDT or 4:40 EST. Why would he care if he knows what time it is where he is? The correct answer is none of the above.

From: grizzlyadam
04-Jan-12
I had to do some research to figure out what GMT was. After some easy math I got it right. Well at least I learned something about time zones.

From: TD
04-Jan-12
Ha! The trick is on YOU Pat! I'm going to get a perfect 0 all the way through and that will show you!

BTW, that's a backstrap hit and you're never finding that one. You'd have better luck with the leg.....

And there's no flippin' way I'm gonna google up GMT and convert it to eastern time, you goofs over there have stuff like daylight savings time and other stupid reality denials to play with.....

From: Gumby
04-Jan-12
LMAO!! First time I've done one of these interactive bloodtrails. Too funny!!

From: Stan NJ
04-Jan-12
Ummm....I was just going through the "Top 500"....

Pat....I don't think it's very fair that you're answering your own questions!!!!!! LOL

From: Hap
04-Jan-12
dumb

From: KJC
04-Jan-12
Missed #3. Next time I'm just throwing a dart at my computer screen!

From: x-man
04-Jan-12
If only they were all as easy as #3.

From: TradbowBob
04-Jan-12
The last several of these have been worthless. This one is less than worthless.

But then I'm not into computer games, so maybe guys who like that sort of stuff are geared towards this sort of stuff.

Takes all kinds.

TBB

From: Jack Harris
04-Jan-12
the comments are the best. Especially that Rancid character's.. lol

04-Jan-12
Me and my nine points are laughing our tails off, this is great. I got the first one, if I get a couple of more I might have a chance with this one!

From: stickhunter
05-Jan-12
Like said above, more fun to discuss than to play.

For # 1 , given that was actually a spine shot, I would consider collecting my deer 60 yards away less difficult than having to positions myself for a second arrow and a actual kill shot necessary after a spine shot.

# 2, pretty much figured the arrow changed direction...I thought maybe due to using a mechanical head, or maybe just hit a bone, so I guess none of the above.

#3, Don't know what to say about that one, guess that's why only about 14% correct;-)

Oh well, lets take a look at # 4

From: Troy/OK
05-Jan-12
Question 5:

If your mother was a blender and your father was a popup toaster, how many shingles will it take to cover the dog house?

Explain your answer: ___________________

~Troy

From: fuzzy
05-Jan-12
"there is no artery in that area of the leg" LOL

From: Saxton
05-Jan-12
Troy/OK - That is a trick question and you know it! Because if my Mother was a blender and my Father was a popup toaster that makes me a George Forman grill and they do not have dogs! Geesh....

From: Saxton
05-Jan-12
Finally I got one challenge question right; I found the blood! Now I am ready to tackle the rest....confidence is flying high!

From: bill brown
05-Jan-12
Rancid, you are killing me.

From: Saxton
05-Jan-12
Rancid- you are so right about the RP Rotisserie. How could I have missed that?

From: riverrat
05-Jan-12
Now that's taking it to the next level...thanks RC!

From: seamus5
05-Jan-12
OHH, thought too much on the blood picture. I picked "all of the above" because I figured if this was an OMG edition, Pat would have probably said something like "all of the above......the blood was on the back side of the leaves" or something like that :)

05-Jan-12
just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in. How about that a question actually relevant to a blood trail.

From: Knife2sharp
05-Jan-12
Question #4 should be, can you spot the new Crush arrow in any of the picks. The correct answer is none of the above, since it's not in either A, B, or C but rather the advertisement photo.

From: txhunter58
05-Jan-12
"Question 5:

If your mother was a blender and your father was a popup toaster, how many shingles will it take to cover the dog house?

Answer: 43, cause grandma don't smoke.

Explanation: What's to explain? pretty much self explanatory.

BYW, that is one of my favorite jokes. Right up there with "What is the difference in a rock?"

Answer: Holding your thumb and forefinger 1 inch apart, you say: "A banana this color"

From: txhunter58
05-Jan-12
duplicate...

From: Canuck
06-Jan-12
I voted for this type of bloodtrail, i.e. #3. Would never do it again. I love these bloodtrail challenges as a person learns so much. I could care less on what I score. This may be fun to some, but to me is a real waste of a bloodtrail. I am not complaining at all, just hope that we don't vote for one of these again. Bowhunting is not a game and it also is not very respectful to the animal in my mind. Flame me if you like, just wanted to express my opinion and hopefully get us all to vote for devilishly difficult ones, but not something like this.

From: Knife2sharp
06-Jan-12
And now the DIB32 post takes a 90 degree right turn... I think this is a first. Where is the disrespect? Pat just got out of the tree 1 question ago. Was it shooting the doe with another one directly behind it, or the use of a big 2" expandable broadhead that caused his arrow to deflect upon entry, thus causing the arrow to kick horizontally, or that he used his 'phone a friend' option to help with the complex task of deciding when to climb down out of the tree, or that he didn't turn his watch back an hour 2 months ago? I won't even mention the 'B' word.

From: OHBowhntr
06-Jan-12
Anybody who got #1 right ain't going hunting with me... That #2 shot is completely over the spine, any of us who's butchered a deer knows that 100%!!! The LEG shot actually isn't as bad as many may think, and if you break that leg and sever that artery, it may be an EASIER recovery than the gut shot as the deer will be dead in a few short minutes... Sorry, but (as usual) I have to disagree.

THOUGHT, MAYBE A CHALLENGE COULD BE DONE AND YOU COULD USE THE INPUT OF 7 - 10 HUNTERS TO GET THE TRUE LIKELY ANSWER, AND HAVE THOSE BE THE CORRECT ANSWER AS PER THE HUNTERS CONSENSUS, GIVING THE ANSWER MORE LEGITIMACY???

From: SANDMAN
06-Jan-12
Some of you cry babies exaggerate things to your own liking. You claim that shot 2 is over the spine and brag that shot 4 hits the femoral artery. But shot 4 is right over that thin skin with no vasculature whatsoever. You knitpick the exact position of one and overlook the other.

From: TNGIRL
06-Jan-12
So far it's been cool. I missed #2 outright but that's OK.

From: TNGIRL
06-Jan-12
So I guess I gotta wait for tomorrow for clue #6. I've enjoyed this alot!!!!!!Some of you fellers sure do moan and whine alot tho.....heehee!!!!! I was looking for the toliet tissue in the last one!!!??? And if I hit one, I couldn't have held my cell phone for all the shaking I was doing........and when I could it'd say "Hhhhhheyyy guuuessss whwwhat I jjjusssttt dddiidd?" ;)

From: Troy/OK
06-Jan-12
Should have been a 5th option for Question 1:

Lock the deer in a room with all those whining about the questions and answers for this Bloodtrail Challenge. Wait until the deer figures out how to take its own life......

Thinking you would only need 1-2 hours before you started tracking that one......

~Troy

From: steve
06-Jan-12
Up to 18 pts !!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: mallard
06-Jan-12
"Number two was not a spine shot!" I have to agree with this! It would have been close to the dorsal aspect of the spine but over it IMO!

From: Gumby
06-Jan-12
LOL!! Good grief!! You whiners need to go back and read the original post. This is supposed to be "fun" not a life or death situation if you get a wrong answer.... Grow up you guys.

If you don't like it why are you always coming back and answering the questions?? Beat it, go away and check out another more serious thread. Leave the fun stuff to those of us with a sense of humour!!

Good job Pat. I look forward to seeing the next clue every morning.

From: MA_Bowhunter
06-Jan-12
"It is not meant for education (or anything useful)..."

Indeed.

Actually, questions 4 and 5 were fairly educational. Question 1 would have been without the spine / over the spine controversy.

From: jeelis
06-Jan-12
Ok. When i look closely at the photo in question #5 i can clearly determine that that C is the correct answer. Not A. Anyone else?

From: milnrick
06-Jan-12
Jeelis

I answered C as well, but only after arguing with myself that C was a more clear choice than A.

Unfortunately, when I went back and enlarged the photo as far as possible and gave it another look. At that point, I realized I had over-analyzed one or two 'directional tails' on the droplets and should have chosen A over C.

Can't wait to see #6.

From: LYON
06-Jan-12
I would say the blood splatters in #5 do tend to agree with A, but they are very minimal. I did guess C though based more on the fact that from the picture angle it appears that more branches would have been broken if the deer did run in the direction of A. Almost looks like a gap in the branches where it may have went over top if it was heading in the C direction. IDK. Fun stuff!

06-Jan-12
This is fun...I already was over thinking the questions in previous ones...now I am doing it more - so much that I did it on a couple already.

Learning some people have no sense of humor or don't like to have fun.

Thanks Pat!

From: riverrat
06-Jan-12
A definitely bit me on that one...IDK maybe I didn't spend enough time on it but for whatever reason the drops didn't point that direction for me (as in letter C).

From: Hoytman
06-Jan-12
yep I thought it was c too too bad

From: grizzlyadam
06-Jan-12
I should have read the discussion before answering, you guys are always good for giving away the answers.

From: Dusty
07-Jan-12
Why is my score not posted as I have a 45 as well?

From: txhunter58
07-Jan-12
Due to the blood on the near side of the log, you know she was going away from you. Now you have a 50% shot. And the limbs on the far side of the log made me wonder how she could have been traveling straight away. However, if C were correct, there should have been blood on the leaves in the lower left side of the picture. But there are not. All the blood on the leaves in the foreground are in the lower RIGHT half of the picture. If you line those up with the spots on the limb, they point straight up.

Or, you could say that I flipped a coin and it came up heads! Either one works!

From: expedition
07-Jan-12
The correct answer for #3 is 9:30pm GMT. It clearly states 30 minutes from when he SHOT the deer. He called at 5:10 and that means he shot the deer at 5:00pm EDST. He was told 30 minutes from when he shot the deer not 30 minutes from when he placed the call. Since, 9:30pm was not an option the the answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE

From: txhunter58
07-Jan-12
Fraid not! Ya gotta read every word:

"according to your watch you SHOT the deer at 5:10 PM "

From: HockeyDad
07-Jan-12
Pat - your giving in to the whiners.

The OMG has left the bloodtrail challenge!

(Guess I am now a whiner!)

From: rocky
07-Jan-12
Pat...I gotta admit, this is fun. However, I have to ask...do you lay awake into the wee hours of the morning figuring out how to torture all your followers? And also, do you think of all these questions when your taking the photos? Does your family hear your villianous ( is that a word)laugh when you are putting these things together?

From: todabnrn
07-Jan-12
I missed the blood spatter answer, and I can't get back to finding out why. It had something to do with the tail of the spatter and direction of travel. Could somebody fill me in please?

07-Jan-12
I outsmarted myself on question 6. When I hit any area in the picture It took me to an expanded view of area c and d. I saw more deer in c thus entered that answer. Should it have expanded in each section the same?

From: txhunter58
07-Jan-12
When I hit any frame, it expanded the whole picture. You just have to look at the treelimbs to see where A, B, C, and D are. I admit, kind of confusing, but with this bloodtrail, that is a given.

From: dacheedah
08-Jan-12
Crime scene 101, blood points to the direction it is traveling. It hits with directional force and when the drop hits it breaks the surface tension holding the drop together, the energy continues but the volume diminishes so it leaves a tail. The tail points the direction the blood is traveling. At the point the animal is shot or stuck you will find high velocity blood spatter ( small drops) , when the animal is running and jumping you will find medium velocity blood spatter and if it lays down low velocity. This helps tell if the animal is moving, stopped or bedded down and you are pushing the deer.

08-Jan-12
Txhunter58, You are correct. I really confused myself. These challenges are fun and frustrating.n

From: Jack Harris
08-Jan-12
OMG. That has to be the LONGEST doe in history of the world to span over into "D", or a giraffe in deer clothing! I wanted a choice of "B and C" but no way did I figure "D" was involved as well! cruel sadistic twisted evil OMG. An 18 foot doe - who would have imagined such a beast existed! :) Good job Pat!

From: stickhunter
08-Jan-12
I thought the same thing Jack.

Wonder how we would all do if there was a seperate discussion for each question and you had to answere the question before you could open the discussion:^O oops, did I just type that out loud;-)

Bet the list of whiners would grow then:-)

From: txhunter58
08-Jan-12
finally got tripped up by one. Can't believe it took this long on this trail.

I guess there are guys that cheat on this, but that would take all the fun out of it, so they would only be ruining it for themselves.

And wow, who would have thought the arrow would have passed through two lungs and missed the heart completely!!

From: Medicinemann
08-Jan-12
TxHunter....LOL!!

From: Medicinemann
08-Jan-12
Double post.

From: HerdManager
08-Jan-12
I am doing better on this Bloodtrail than any of the previous ones. Seems relatively easy. Was going to guess heart only, but thought the near lung would have been nicked.

Oh well, happy in 2nd place!

And I hit a deer years ago in the #2 spot, and it is over the spine...

From: inletmike
08-Jan-12
This is by far the best feature and should be used by Hunter Ed classes. With all the newbies in NJ with xbows, we are seeing a ton of unrecovered deer.

Although, no partial credit for just letter C on #6 was BS...just sayin.

Thanks Pat!

From: Dr. Deer
08-Jan-12
The lungs extend all the way to the sternum. If the arrow goes in on one side and comes out the other, hits the heart, then both lungs are hit as well. Impossible for it to be otherwise. I am not saying that much blood needs to accumulate in the chest if the heart is hit. An arrow, especially an embedded one may render the heart useless and drop the blood pressure instantly.

From: Rhody hunter
08-Jan-12
I'm waiting to see the autopsy . I got the heart only right but like to see exactly what was hit. I always do a cause of death check on all the deer I gut

08-Jan-12
I found it highly unlikely to hit heart without hitting lung too. I have had many heart shots with a rifle and the lungs were always damaged. Deer amaze me with how far they can go without a heart to supply blood. In my experience a heart hit has always resulted in a mad dash by the deer.

08-Jan-12
I have only hit just heart once and this deer had the same characteristic if my elk, no blood at the mouth and nose. I am pretty sure every lung shot I have had with the bow had bllod out the mouth and nose.

From: HerdManager
08-Jan-12
Dr Deer, you might be in jeopardy of losing your MD license. It is very possible to hit only the heart and miss lungs. Have done it on quite a few deer, incl one this year. The lungs do not totally surround the heart.

I do very detailed exams of all my deer. Maybe I should change my handle to HerdManager MD? /:^)

From: rocky
08-Jan-12
A couple of my biggest bucks were heart shots that never touched lung. I will tell you this though, if I had of shot them any lower, I would have missed them!

09-Jan-12
If you get the important questions correct this can still a worth while blood trail. Determining what time it is via the Zulu or Swahili sun dial system or finding a deer in a picture are just filler. Kind of like why ranchers feed cattle staw... to make a turd.

From: blg
09-Jan-12
Ok lets not fall into that age old trap of who has the biggest cubit....

09-Jan-12
I'm a bit intrigued by the possibility of hitting the heart but no lung, too.

In humans, shot from the side, that'd be impossible.

And at first thought, I would say the same about deer. My "mental picture" of deer hearts is like humans -- nestled neatly between two lungs.

BUT ... Deer are laterally flattened, not dorso-ventrally flattened like us, meaning that there is a "trench" in the bottom of the chest, like the v-bottom of a boat.

Could a heart be down in that "V" and not surrounded by the lungs?

I'm going (rifle) doe hunting this weekend -- pictures to follow if successful. I'm going to a primary source on this one!

09-Jan-12
I feel really good but did so bad. Every answer I made was logical and probable. Pat warned us that there would be twists and turns but factual. I won't give things away by telling where i was wrong. Thank you for the adventure, Pat.

From: ArrowAtomik
09-Jan-12
I too had a couple that were all heart and I should have chosen it after seeing the video. The shot was extremely low as were my shots. Any lower and it was a clean miss or hopeless leg hit. Probably the deer moving simultaneously or a redirect on bone is the only thing keeping that arrow from exiting out the sternum.

From: wkochevar
09-Jan-12
I'm not really sure what it says about me, but this is the best I've ever done on one of these challenges.....LOL

From: Nick Muche
10-Jan-12
"This deer died within seconds and in view of the treestand."

LOL.. Good thing you called your buddy on GMT to see how long before you could take up the trail.

From: glacier
10-Jan-12
Hmmm, I think the most accepted definition of a cubit is the distance from your elbow to the tip of your fingers, a "chain" is 66 feet, 4 rods in a chain, 4 pecks in a bushel, 7000 grains per pound, 29 inches in a 'reach', 40 rods per furlong, 8 furlongs in a mile... Then one measurement is in Metric? Even if I knew this answer, I don't think my calculator can do this one. And, my Cubit is probably bigger than Pats!

From: Knife2sharp
10-Jan-12
It saddens me, no more questions. Where can I do my whining? Oh yeah, all the other forums.

From: bill brown
10-Jan-12
The last deer I shot in the heart went 193.68523 cubits measured as the length from my elbow to the tip of my fully extended middle finger. My partner has shorter arms and fingers than mine, so he thought it was over 200. What an idiot!

From: fuzzy
11-Jan-12
lol

From: Bigburner
11-Jan-12
Ahhhhhh! Question 8 come on. 74-80 yards sounds totally resonable for a heart shot. 40 was lucky in my opinion and last time I checked I'm not a mind reader. Good fun though. it made me bust out my conversion skills.

From: Buzzard
11-Jan-12
Fun!!!

11-Jan-12
The average of my heart shots with a rifle was 50 yards. They seldom stay still. The shortest was with a muzzle loader. The deer went 35. The longest with a rifle was about 120 yards with a .243. There was no heart to pump but he kept going. Go figure.

From: ah110
13-Jan-12
LMAO that arrow didnt "flex"!!! it hit a bone! SMHHH

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