Sitka Mountain Gear
Discuss Bloodtrail 36 - Civil War Ed.
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
Pat Lefemine 16-Dec-13
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From: Pat Lefemine
16-Dec-13

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Let the bloodshed begin.

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From: Jack Harris
16-Dec-13
Dear lord please nobody debate (or get wrong) the first question. I will lose all faith....

Good luck, and let's go NJ!!!!

- Jack

From: Burnerman
16-Dec-13
Massachusetts is tied for first, but not for long. Why am I living in the bluest of states? I often ask myself that question.

From: Pat Lefemine
16-Dec-13

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
This is going to be fun. Consider Q1 as a warm up. I guarantee it won't stay this easy.

From: JTV
16-Dec-13
While I got it correct...I disagree with C being a wounding hit.....it would hit the back lobe of the lungs or a hit liver hit....both are fatal.....

From: Stekewood
16-Dec-13
Great new twist! Love it.

From: Stekewood
16-Dec-13

From: Brotsky
16-Dec-13
Pat, related to the civil war aspect. You have South Dakota as a "red" state being affiliated with the confederacy. Dakota Territory during the war raised troops for the Union even if they were used only for security in the territory. Now if you broke the states/territories out based solely for competition purposes then carry on sir. Just trying to figure out if I need to trade in Battle Hymn of the Republic for Dixie for the next 8 days. Ha!

From: Heritage
16-Dec-13
Hey Pat. I see you are not only creating the questions, but also answering them. Trying to give Connecticut an advantage? :)

From: Pat Lefemine
16-Dec-13
Yes Heritage, We Yankees need all the help we can get. LOL!

From: Simple
16-Dec-13
I guess I'm doing it wrong. It seems to be too much shoulder! But I guess it's another site where I read all the "help, where did I hit him"? Aren't we suppose to avoid the shoulder area on any animal that has some age to it? 0 for me on question 1. But I never do well on these. Good thing the field is much, much kinder to me.

From: Jack Harris
16-Dec-13
my money's on Kansas or Iowa - those guys just seem to know it all when it comes to deer hunting :). Indiana already in a hole, thanks to Simple... Don't rule out NJ though - some guys got a lot of experience blood trailing them under the swingsets, pool fences, etc... Right Chip ??? LOL

From: Brotsky
16-Dec-13
You Yanks don't stand a chance. The southern boys have tracking spiders.

From: Bob H in NH
16-Dec-13
Is it really "fair" that Pat, the writer of the questions is counting towards the CT score :-)

From: SANDMAN
16-Dec-13

SANDMAN's embedded Photo
SANDMAN's embedded Photo
The Red State/Blue State is an election thingy...

From: elkmtngear
16-Dec-13
Ohio and Indiana are lagging...Whazzup?

From: grizzlyadam
16-Dec-13
In the big blue state of CT, all of the bowsiters here are true red blooded americans.

From: x-man
16-Dec-13
Hey Simple,

"D" is no where near the shoulder. Not unless you have 8" groups.

From: Canuck
17-Dec-13
Just remember gents that this is not only red vs blue. There are other horses in this race. We Canadians, Ontario, New Brunswick etc., didn't make it on to the Map Pat(no offense taken whatsoever). I can see some states may want to draft us as mercenaries as they are in trouble already :).

Bou, for instance has already defective to New Brunswick, or was kicked on the Island by his home state!!! Grant, thanks for joining us! Canuck.

From: txhunter58
17-Dec-13
Anyone who got that one wrong, should have looked at the picture posted in Pat's first post. The same picture is posted at the top of question 1. It was a gimme question to begin with, but that made it an extra gimme.

From: Stan NJ
17-Dec-13
NJ is 44th...goodness, how could you get that one wrong...lol

From: Korey Wolfe
17-Dec-13
For Question 2, what does the L1 and R2 and R3 stand for? Am I missing something?

From: DVMan
17-Dec-13
Its where the deer was hit by the broadhead.

From: Jack Harris
17-Dec-13
Stan sorry i didn't help with clue 2... If I just went with my original instinct I would have got it right, then I did over-think it and freeze framed the video a dozen times and changed my answer... Dammit Pat! Your body was blocking most of the shot - next time get out of the way so I can see better!

From: JTV
17-Dec-13
Indiana got screwed 'cause of 3 high population democrap counties went Obummer( we are a very conservative state).....Back to the feature at hand....carry on.....btw I'm 2 for 2....go us Yankees !

From: tobywon
17-Dec-13
What, no hamblaster shot option for the south...LOL

From: steve
17-Dec-13
Stop crying CT is asmall state Pat are your sons playing ? lol

From: Jack Harris
17-Dec-13
"What, no hamblaster shot option for the south".

I hope Pat is considering a "hamblaster edition". I hope it's something we can see in the future... I might know of someone in the deep south that may have some footage...

From: Stan NJ
17-Dec-13
No problem Jack...I'll need you to carry me in the 'hamblaster edition'!

From: Florida Mike
17-Dec-13
I wonder where the "civil war" inference comes from? I can't wait to see how the SLAVES fit into this revisionist blood trail? LOL, Mike

From: Heritage
17-Dec-13
Sorry Maine. I let you down.

From: tobywon
17-Dec-13
Florida Mike, that comes with dragging out the deer..LOL

From: caribou77
17-Dec-13
Love the fact that you only get to watch the video once. You better be paying attention.

From: horseshoe
17-Dec-13
had it right, changed at last minute! sorry folks! did the same as j. harris.

From: Knife2sharp
17-Dec-13
What's broadhead was used for this hunt?

From: Kertinker
17-Dec-13
Did anyone notice that the shooter torqued the bow. If you look at the the frame at the 21 second mark you see the string coming off the upper wheel at an angle. That may attribute to some of the noise at the time of the shot.

17-Dec-13
This thing want let me play...this buddy roe played his own this am and won. Im doing the backstrap boogie...HDYLMK.

From: Jack Harris
17-Dec-13
TBM - gonna need a Yankee translation on that. I'm getting better at decipherin' but somebody please help?

best I can figger - the video won't play for you. "this buddy roe" - not sure who roe is. I do know you shot a doe today head on and are trying to get us to guess how far and how long on a diff thread.

Are you by any chance jealous of Pat's technical acumen in how he pulls off these BTC's? Trying to steal some of the thunder? LOL ...

You are hot stuff man- Merry Christmas from the bottom of my heart.

From: Hank
17-Dec-13
Points on the board for the CT team! I'm still hunting, so I hope to do some REAL blood trailing in the snow soon.

From: x-man
17-Dec-13
I had a hard time seeing in the video, then I noticed the still shot on the feature main page. (thanks for that Pat) ;)

From: Rhody hunter
17-Dec-13
I hate the camera angle looking through the bow blocking most of what to see. .

From: Treefarm
17-Dec-13
Sorry WI, I had to guess because the video wouldn't play on my computer.

From: txhunter58
17-Dec-13
Both 1 and 2 can be answered by the freeze frame of the shot at the top of the page

Not sure why others could only watch it once. I watched it several times and stopped/started/ rewind, etc to see better.

From: Bloodtrail
17-Dec-13
Treefarm - That's all right - I nailed it so we can split the points! :^)

From: arctichill
18-Dec-13
I was going to answer based on the still-shot, but then I was convinced it was a trick...maybe photoshopped or something? Anyway, I should have answered the question without ever watching the video. The video deceived me!

From: Andy
18-Dec-13
Jack he said..."This buddy role-played his own this morning and won..."

congrats TBM on the backstraps, we would all love to see a video of the "boogie".

So far I am disappointed in Nebraska...C'mon guys let's storm the nation!

From: Jack Harris
18-Dec-13
" TBM is going to be saying "how do you like me know" to you after he gets a higher score than you do. "

Looking fwd to it Dave - I will deserve it!

From: 4 points
18-Dec-13
When are they gonna update the points? I have 27 by myself and it shows AZ has 10.

From: keith
18-Dec-13
Needed more info on #3: Time of day, weather, etc.

From: Heritage
18-Dec-13
4 Points, I believe it's average state score.

From: tonyo6302
18-Dec-13
The Map above in SANDMAN's post shows total electorial college votes possible from each of the states during a Presidential election. The total electorial votes given each state is based on population.

It has nothing to do with total or state average score.

From: Jack Harris
18-Dec-13
I can see how Bou'bound goes - so does New Brunswick. The only state with a perfect score average, and he is the only participant. Bou- that's a lot of pressure to have to carry a state all by yourself! (ok PROVINCE not STATE)

I feel fortunate to have StanNJ, KJC, and Trophy8 carrying the mail for NJ all with perfect scores!

Now Pat, - I realize CT is struggling right now and ranked 42, and can really use your perfect score of "27" (the only perfect CT score btw), but one would have thought you had recused yourself????

LOL - that's priceless right there!

18-Dec-13
Jack he said..."This buddy role-played his own this morning and won..." congrats TBM on the backstraps, we would all love to see a video of the "boogie".

So far I am disappointed in Nebraska...C'mon guys let's storm the nation!"

Andy, we have an influx of crossbow shooters that think they are now bowhunters and are skewing our efforts... Just kidding!!

From: Deebz
18-Dec-13
Rancid: the arrow in the ground is an advertisement for that brand of arrow...

From: Doug
18-Dec-13
#2 The video was deceiving, I looked over the still shot and it made the answer stupid easy in hindsight.

#3 I would have to disagree with, #1 because watching the video I would swear the shot was further back then it shows on the still. #2 because I go with what I see and not what I hear. And without watching the deer fall I will wait the 1hr.

Oh well, Sorry WI

18-Dec-13
I can't view the videos at work so I'm behind. Hopefully you can do multiple days at once.

From: Doug
18-Dec-13
You dont want to see the video. Look at the still picture:)

From: klmagnussen
18-Dec-13

From: bigbuckbob
18-Dec-13
klmagussen #1 I agree with you, but I'm not sure why because I only understood 10% of the words you used :)

#2 I missed the still frame as well and thought the arrow hit behind the leg, therefore it couldn't have broken it.

From: Bou'bound
18-Dec-13
I think what the guy said was if you hit him in the guts he'll die. you hit him in the leg he won't.

18-Dec-13
All answers have Bern self splanatory so far so quit your crying. Just admit you wrong and move on.

From: Bake
18-Dec-13
Ooops. Didn't realize I was giving away answers either. Sorry. Edited

Bake

From: klmagnussen
18-Dec-13
Dang!... now that I have calmed down a little bit, that was a little of an embarrassing rant I went on. What's worse I kind of gave away a few answers. Please accept my apologies. I will try to edit or remove it! SORRY!

From: Pat Lefemine
18-Dec-13
No Worries, the ranting is all part of the fun.

From: Nctrapper
18-Dec-13
Pat is there anyway to put the ranks at the top of this thread

From: Pat Lefemine
18-Dec-13
Actually there is, good suggestion. Let me give it a shot and see if it works.

From: Pat Lefemine
18-Dec-13
Done

From: bear2
18-Dec-13
Noticed two NYers had a zero,COME ON MAN!

From: drycreek
18-Dec-13
Yer bein' rancid again, Rancid. This reb has the same as you, for now. I may fall off the log and get wet tomorrow.

BTW , TBM wasn't " role-playing ". Ya'll need a little eddication in southern-speak. LOL

From: steve
19-Dec-13
I think sombody with 0 might of just answerd the first ? wrong and didnt do 2 and 3 yet .I hope ! STEVE

19-Dec-13
I can't see 6 more questions without some tricks...this ones pretty cut n dry...I'm already pealing out tenderloins.

From: rocman
19-Dec-13
I'm calling BS on question #3.......

From: 12yards
19-Dec-13
Dammmmmmmit! On question 4. I had it right and then changed my mind.

From: JusPassin
19-Dec-13
Now wait a minute, how can you tout the benefits of seeing exactly where you hit with those fabulous nocks, then still have your panties so wadded up you have to wait a half an hour to look for the deer you heard crash to the ground?

Truth be told that's the politically correct answer, but not one I'd subscribe to facts being what were given.

From: Deebz
19-Dec-13
Wow on Q4... awfully hard to answer what is the least important thing without more information here... The answer I thought was least important got 0 points... I'd like to discuss more but don't want to give clues to the answer...

From: Brotsky
19-Dec-13
Question 4 is going to incite a bigger rebellion than slavery.

From: Bake
19-Dec-13
Yep, got #4 wrong :)

These bloodtrail challenges just reinforce one of my personality weaknesses. . . . I don't spend too much time thinking :)

If I got down and found my arrow broke, I would have thought "Damn!!! My arrow broke." End of thought. Then I would have walked over to find the deer dead

:)

Still fun though

Bake

From: red140
19-Dec-13
@ Deebz, totally agree, I got the big goose egg as well.

From: keith
19-Dec-13
Damn, didn't read the question through. I guess I should have noticed LEAST in capitals!

From: bigbuckbob
19-Dec-13
What's with question #4?? If it snapped off CLOSE to the broad head it sounds like a shoulder shot (or other bone) with little penetration and therefore D whould have been the least correct - It has done all of the damage it needs to do. I assume this means it's a killing shot.

Someone who got it right straighten me out please.

From: itshot
19-Dec-13
sorry Flahduh

zeroed on Q#4

From: bb
19-Dec-13
This games easy, all you have to do is wait and read the posts from the guys whining about why they got it wrong.

From: lowboy
19-Dec-13
bigbuckbob is right

From: tradmt
19-Dec-13
I would hope no one is cheating on this game.

If you are using the discuss thread to answer the questions than get help please, you have some issues to resolve.

From: Jack Harris
19-Dec-13
There is no way to know the correct answer to #4 without additional critical information as to the location of the BH after it separated from the arrow, but you can logically narrow it down to two answers. Then at best you can guess. Sorry NJ - I guessed wrong.

From: NM_alazan
19-Dec-13

From: Pat Lefemine
19-Dec-13
Soooooooo, I made it all the way to Q4 before the whining began...I call that real progress. ;-)

From: 12yards
19-Dec-13
Man up Rancid and do the clue before you read the discussion! LOL!

From: boothill
19-Dec-13
I over thought this one and got the big "0"! oh well

From: caribou77
19-Dec-13
I'll join the whining on question #4 club. And then tell the question to kiss my @ss. lol 0 for iowa....Sorry fellas.

19-Dec-13
Cause you got this one wrong pat...I clearly went with the only false answer which made it the least true because it was false...got a 0...I can't wait for a explanation.

19-Dec-13
Cause you got this one wrong pat...I clearly went with the only false answer which made it the least true because it was false...got a 0...I can't wait for a explanation.

From: Rhody hunter
19-Dec-13
Even though I got it ight the way the question is worded is confusing. Kind of like a double negative to me. I usually don't hear people say least true. . O well I'll play on.

From: centerpunch
19-Dec-13
Well, there goes the avg. Overthunk it. (This is for you Rancid) :) BIG FAT 0. Sorry GA boys!

From: Brotsky
19-Dec-13
We should know that people from CT can't sniff out the real least true statement. If they could they wouldn't have voted for Obama. Twice. :-)

From: bb
19-Dec-13
Ooooh that's a kick in the nuts. OK It looks like I will have to break out the crayons and draw you all who couldn't figure out the only right answer a picture.

From: J.C.
19-Dec-13
Well me to. I thought I had it wright I guess I looked to hard. A big 0 for me. J.C.

19-Dec-13
Pat you really ought to check and make sure you didn't get twisted because once you navigate the double negative there in a clear answer and it is yielding a fat 0. Or maybe you did it on purpose kind of like when Bill France called Richard Petty 2nd when he won the race by 5 feet...controversy gets traffic all day long...

From: Pat Lefemine
19-Dec-13
Brotsky, that hurts man.

In truth, I bet if you took a poll in the CT forum you'd learn that 100% voted against Obama.

However, I will concede that a few might have been absent since they were doing a mobile live hunt that day.

From: bb
19-Dec-13
"Folks from the deep south should even be getting these questions right (thats how easy this one has been) ;-)"

Keep in mind they (Alabama) consider it a major victory if they outwit a turkey

19-Dec-13
Dar: If I read the instructions I would be at 100% now I am not:(

From: Stekewood
19-Dec-13
"However, I will concede that a few might have been absent since they were doing a mobile live hunt that day."

Now that's funny. And probably true.

From: KJC
19-Dec-13
The problem with Ct is they do all those live hunts and never shoot any damn deer! How are they supposed to know how to bloodtrail? ;)

19-Dec-13
Pat, you know I like you man, but Question 4 is a poorly-worded nightmare of a question. And I'm a schoolteacher. :)

From: Chip T.
19-Dec-13
This test and the problems the questions are causing are a good reason why Bowsite should have a Board of Directors:)

From: TradbowBob
19-Dec-13
I highly disagree with the answer to #4.

But you said the challenge wouldn't be "fair".

TBB

From: Trophy8
19-Dec-13

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Trophy8's embedded Photo
For those in need! lol

19-Dec-13
I consider a false answer go be the less true answer and there is only one false answer. Up north they obviously don't consider false as the less true and go with an answer that could be true but highly unlikely. What we have here is a failure to communicate....buy who said Yankees would fight fair. Pat can make it up to me when cherry trees are in full bloom. Like I said yesterday, I can't see how you can get so many questions out of a perfect hit...nothing important to ask...climb down and go get the deer. I'm prowd if my 0 on question 4... A 9 indicated the wrong answer. Period.

From: Jack Harris
19-Dec-13
HOLY CRAP ARCHERY95, that's almost as bad as Pat's perfect score for CT!!! LOL... Now I'm sure it's just coincidence. Nobody would take Pat's BTC's so seriously that they would register extra characters on BS just to go back and get a better score second time around - would they?

This is already the best BTC ever - especially if Rancid's head explodes when his ego goes into expansion overload!

From: Hank
19-Dec-13
Pat, is Snookie going to be on this one? That last question made my head hurt

From: stealthycat
19-Dec-13
4 makes no sense

you do not KNOW what happened with the other part of the shaft, based on the previous guessing it broke the off shoulder, THAT would be where anybody would guess the broadhead to be, still in the deer, right ?

If its in the deer, its cutting, doesn't need leverage and we've already established its still in the deer.

The only least likely is the other one - that its NOT in the deer.

From: itshot
19-Dec-13
stealth

"4 makes no sense" would have sufficed

From: bb
19-Dec-13
It makes a lot of sense. The correct answer is the only logical one, given the clues.

From: Stekewood
19-Dec-13
The only question that was easier than 4 was the first one.

20-Dec-13
Wonder about it rancid crapapple...until those expansion joints reach maximum capacity.

From: XMan
20-Dec-13
Ok number 4 wasn't cool, how do we know where the broad head portion of your arrow is, you are basing that question on your knowledge after the fact....

I hate these :).

From: Jack Harris
20-Dec-13
XMan that's why I said the best you can do with number 4 is eliminate two answers. There is another piece of information required - like "where IS the BH?" In due time after we are near end of the quiz, perhaps it can be better explained by the Sadistic Overlord with the initials "PL".... :)

From: Heritage
20-Dec-13
Feel free to make fun of me for this, but in the broken arrow picture from question four, I can't help but notice the beautiful beech tree. That is a gorgeous tree. I appreciate nice old trees like that. I don't see that many large beech in my neck of the woods.

From: mrelite
20-Dec-13
I agree #4 is based on a fact that is not known, you only learn of this important fact when the answer is revealed.

From: Heritage
20-Dec-13
Nope. I got 4 wrong as well, but now that I really take the time to read it it's the "will" that I missed. That word makes all the differance.

From: Pat Lefemine
20-Dec-13
We just posted Clue 5. We designed this question to be Whine Free. If you get this one wrong you need an optometrist ;-)

From: 4 points
20-Dec-13
#4 just plain suckt

From: Deebz
20-Dec-13
4 was rough, but 5 was definitely a gimme.. thanks Pat!

From: Jack Harris
20-Dec-13
RC - do you and Pat attend your MENSA meetings together to?

From: steve
20-Dec-13
GO CT !!!!!!!!! Pat your good at this stuff lucky you live in ct .LOL

From: steve
20-Dec-13
Its not over till the fat lady sings lets see if there is someone from any state with a perfict score at the end .LOL

20-Dec-13
I have to disagree with Pat on number 5. All of the pictures look like they have blood spots or red leaf color. My eyes can't discern the difference. I got it wrong by choosing the one with the largest red spot. The correct one looked like it had a tiny spec to me. Please don't tell me to go to the eye doc cuz there is no cure for color blindness.

20-Dec-13
I think some dang yankee has intentionally sabotaged Florida :)

From: wkochevar
20-Dec-13
Really sucking hind tit on this one. 3 for 5 at the moment but since Colorado is unfortunately colored Blue on the map, I am still fully expecting my orange slice and ribbon at the end, Thank You!!

From: XMan
20-Dec-13
Hey 3 for 5, yeahhhh I'll take it! Thats a damn good batting average.

From: Pat Lefemine
20-Dec-13
Greenmountain, you need to re-read the question. The question asked which of the four photos did not contain blood. 94% have gotten it correct. This was a softball since some of you guys were coming unglued after Q4.

From: Medicinemann
20-Dec-13
Pat,

These threads just remind me how poor my reading comprehension is sometimes.....you ask for the LEAST appropriate answer, and I fell right into your trap....

To quote you from a previous thread.....You bastard.

From: Rocky
20-Dec-13
Me too Medicinemann.

20-Dec-13
Pat: It is all in good fun. I kicked myself for reading comprehension on question 4. My fault and I know it. I read five correctly but outsmarted myself. I saw a tiny blood spot that was not there one of the photos. I have a real tough time with blood in photos. In real life I have to touch the spots to be sure.

From: Fuzzy
20-Dec-13
Great shot Pat, nice buck!

From: Fuzzy
20-Dec-13
I didn't get #4 wrong, I just scored a zero on it ;-)

From: Trophy8
20-Dec-13
Hey Pat....is Santa showing up on this challenge?...lol

From: Pat Lefemine
20-Dec-13
Trophy8, maybe there will - and maybe there won't be a surprise in this bloodtrail. After all, I never claimed this one had Zero tricks.

Stay sharp people.

20-Dec-13
Back on question 4, one problem is that, with that much penetration and the location of the break on the arrow, the BH could have lodged in bone on the far shoulder and the moving shoulder broken the arrow where this arrow was broken, erroneously leading you to believe that the BH is still in the animal.

20-Dec-13
Exactly right. The head could be stuck in the shoulder with blades on the inside where they could continue cutting like crazy. The key word is NO proof...10 inches of blood is proof. Maybe not overwelning proove but proof that it more than likely is in the animal. It might not be, but the proof indicates that it is and until more proof is given then that is the likely false which is less true than any of the other questions. You just have to remember that African trackers would not pass this and they are pretty good...they would be even better if I trained them on how to look for feeding ants and spiders. HDYLMK

From: stealthycat
20-Dec-13
more often than not the broadhead that breaks a shoulder WILL still be in the animal - still cutting, without need of an arrow .... the least likely thing was that is wasn't still in the deer

if you don't have the arrow in your hand - ALWAYS assume its still in the deer.

From: 4 points
20-Dec-13
TBM, what does the "K" stand for? Second 2nd time I have seen it. Kill or Kilt?

20-Dec-13
Know!!! Know that I've been so busy killing and tracking and processing all the deer I've been killing, I don't have time to read these trick questions. Getting 0 s tick me off but a rising level in the freezer makes it all better.

20-Dec-13
If all you find is a shaft and you child is dressing the deer, you will always warn him that the broadhead is still in the deer. You mighteven take over in tovkeep him from cutting hisself. I will say I might be interpreting proof as evidence.

From: Medicinemann
20-Dec-13
We're in a thread that talks about blood trails and broadheads.....and fearless leader finishes with quotes like "Stay sharp people"......the man is simply "pun"ishing!!

From: bb
20-Dec-13
If the broad head is stuck in the bone, it's not doing any more cutting!!!

From: Trophy8
20-Dec-13
To many read what they want to read...not what is written.

From: drycreek
20-Dec-13
Yeah, bb, been thinking that all along. Might cut a little muscle is all.

From: swj
20-Dec-13
question 4 was dumb.

From: tflight
20-Dec-13
I would like to know whats up with our Michigan hunters getting so many wrong? I thought Michigan was one of the top states for numbers of bowhunters.

From: HuntnBigGame
20-Dec-13
Pat, Need to make it more than 8 questions so I can bring my average up,LOL Got me on #4, but where's the hard ones

From: Stekewood
20-Dec-13
Even if it was cutting it would only be cutting muscle anyway. The damage it did getting to that point is the only thing that would lead to the deer's demise.

From: stealthycat
20-Dec-13
I've killed my share of game ... don't remember but one actually literally STICKING in bone ... wedged around bone yes, but unable to wiggle and move and cut ?

only one that I remember

From: bb
20-Dec-13
I have found many broad heads stuck in bone and healed up in deer I have killed.

From: Stekewood
20-Dec-13
Even if it wiggled and cut, it would still be cutting outside of the chest cavity and would be very unlikely to cut anything that would lead to the deer's death.

From: Jack Harris
20-Dec-13
TBM / TurkeyBowMaster / Steve

Just to be clear with a little reverence to English and Grammar.

Know rhymes with "no".

"Now" rhymes with "cow". You getting it yet?

HDYLMK would sound like "how do you like me no"...

HDYLMN would actually be correct way of saying "how do you like me now"...

After 9 months, I think it's time we addressed that :}

21-Dec-13
Know mabe one of the problems with these tracking scenarios is the person developing the questions already knows the answers so makes the questions and correct answers based on this knowledge and hindsight. His correct answer is different from the correct answer one would give without such knowledge. It's kind of like reading instructions written by someone who has put an item together a thousand times and assumes you have too. Monday mourning quarterbacks give one set of answers, when your in the fire...another.

From: bb
21-Dec-13
Just admit you didnt now the answer and got it wrong. No one will think any less of you as a hunter.

21-Dec-13
That's my point...I did know the answer and got it wrong...got it know!!!!

From: bb
21-Dec-13
:)

From: MA_Bowhunter
21-Dec-13
Pat, thanks for the Christmas present!

From: MDW
21-Dec-13
Man, that blood on the leaves was tough, that's why I usually have my wife along on any hard tracking job. She has a lot better eye for spotting contrast/detail.

21-Dec-13
Well that bites for me, put my selection in from my IPhone and it gave me a zero on a cake answer. Arrrggghhh!

From: Stekewood
21-Dec-13
Pat, you could have at least wrapped that present.

From: stealthycat
21-Dec-13
I'm just saying in my hunting world, if I have a broken arrow in my hand, shot looked like I broke off shoulder ( like this scenario) that its logical to assume the arrow is still in the deer.

It is NOT logical or reasonable to assume its fallen out because you haven't found it.

From: horseshoe
21-Dec-13

From: Jack Harris
21-Dec-13
TBM - "Know" maybe one of the problems with these tracking scenarios........

followed by "...got it know!!!! "

LOL - I love you man!

Bromance that is... lets not get crazy...

21-Dec-13
Horsehocky Horseshoe...and I will prove there is a false answer in front of all the world to see. False is least true in Alabama...I got proof.

From: horseshoe
21-Dec-13
sorry, gave away too much back there, i had to delete the previous post. i didn't even consider folks might still be in the beginning of this track!

TBM, keep up the good werk!

From: steve
21-Dec-13
I was playing at work now I am home if I play will it start the game all over I don't want to cheat .

From: Jack Harris
21-Dec-13
Steve only way you can cheat is register under a different handle... Or play if you are the creator :)...It knows your sign-on..

From: steve
21-Dec-13
THANKS

21-Dec-13
Different handle is the way to go

21-Dec-13
Just kidding...sitting here waiting on answers to the question I had about the deer I just shot. Going to begin a soft push in 15 minutes unless I get answers that suggest it's a mistake.

21-Dec-13
Pat, will consideration of the number of people participating in each state have any bearing on the winning team?

From: JTV
21-Dec-13
Waiting on the next clue....where ya at Pat ??????

From: drycreek
21-Dec-13
Some here think this challenge is harder than the real thing. I think it's easier. I can see the blood better on my IPad than I can on the ground. Also, I have no vested interest in this track. Makes me more objective. I don't know if I would be doing this well if it were my backstraps on the line !

From: Pat Lefemine
21-Dec-13
JTV (or KGB if I let iphone autocorrect ), clue 6 is today's clue. I posted it early since I'm out hunting.

From: Ilhunter123
22-Dec-13
Just started. Mixed up the letters on first question. Meant to enter "C" and somehow fat finger "D"! Zero points....Sorry team. I have gotten all the rest correct.

22-Dec-13
There should be an option to wet your finger to sort blood spatter from just red spots on leaves.

I got them correct, but that is the only way to be certain unless the trail is paved with blood.

From: JTV
22-Dec-13
Pat, I hope you get a lump of coal for #7 ......

From: Jack Harris
22-Dec-13
Pat - evil... Pure evil... that's all I'm gonna say...

22-Dec-13
That was low ! Good job though, ha!

From: Russell
22-Dec-13
#7. Lol. Damit!!!

From: MBaboon
22-Dec-13
That # 7was evil. I had a feeling there was some trickery in there :) I must admit I am cheating a bit. My almost 6 year boy is helping me find blood since I am red/green color blind. Looks like he is going to have to help me find my deer if I don't have a buddy hunting with me. Fortunately for me he is rocking these blood questions. Can't wait till he is old enough to sit more than an hour with me.

22-Dec-13
Foul, Foul! Flag on the field!

The question says "lying" not "laying" That could be interpreted as Santa.

"There is something special lying in this photo." Find it then choose the correct quadrant in Question 7.

From: KJC
22-Dec-13
Cake!

From: horseshoe
22-Dec-13
Dang it! I caught the clue, but couldn't see it! I saw something else and thought it was a trick!

From: bear 13
22-Dec-13
Interesting. If you enlarge photos, Santa Clause is in frame B. Nice trick question- wrong diction when using "lying"

From: Treefarm
22-Dec-13
Merry Christmas, #7 was a gimme, who couldn't see that color! Too easy!

From: Rhody hunter
22-Dec-13
I'm calling bs on 7. Using language interpretation has notjing to do with tracking ability. When Santa appeared when you enlarge it just catches your eye .

From: mainbrdr
22-Dec-13
There is a huge difference between meanings of the words"laying" and "lying"!

From: Jimbo
22-Dec-13
I must be blind, because I don't see anything special except Santa Claus!

From: mainbrdr
22-Dec-13
Number 4 now makes more sense to me.

From: Hank
22-Dec-13
Number 7 was too easy. Ho ho ho

From: Jimbo
22-Dec-13
Ahhh... now I finally see it.

From: Trophy8
22-Dec-13
Your a funny guy Pat..Hmmmm!

22-Dec-13
Man, I hit the "submit" button by accident on the first question, so I got it wrong. DAGNABBIT!!!! The best I can possibly do now is a 63. Sorry team New Mexico. At least I got perfect scores on the other 6 that I answered! Still waiting for question 8. GO TEAM NEW MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!

From: drycreek
22-Dec-13
Aaarrrggggg !!! Did ya'll see me put my fat foot in my mouth??? Never, ever let your head get swelled, 'cause this is what happens ! Easy my ass. I saw something not right next to the rock, but talked myself into thinking I saw blood on the leaves in D. Good fun !!!

From: JusPassin
22-Dec-13
I don't see anything special about half an old rack either. Not to impressed I guess.

22-Dec-13
This blood trail is 100% real. All pictures and steps as it happened on the Connecticut hunt...I call bs. Everybody knows Santa Claws lives in the south poll.

22-Dec-13
Was that a fair chase pic of Santa, or did you have to bait him up with cookies and milk...the proof indicates bait.

From: caribou77
22-Dec-13
Well.....you got me on that one......damn it

From: Trophy8
22-Dec-13
And to think I mentioned Santa to Pat....

Pat, your such a Little Sh*T...LMAO

Egg is on my face!!!!

From: arctichill
23-Dec-13
I think Rowdy Dowdy was in on clue #7.

From: nijimasu
23-Dec-13
I thought an egg was coming out of Santa. That means I should get it right, no?

23-Dec-13
It's odd to me that nobody mentioned the 50 pounds of Come Mere deer the buck was eating at the time of the shot. Or was that dehydrated molasses...just this side of the deer and behind the log.

From: JusPassin
23-Dec-13
Just figured baiting must be legal where this was taken.

From: Brotsky
23-Dec-13
That Santa is bringing coal for Pat's stocking.

From: BowSniper
23-Dec-13
I got the part about Santa standing vs laying, but could not find anything on the ground. There is a rock that almost looks like it has an "eye" in quadrant D.

From: Jack Harris
23-Dec-13
RC - we got our big stud KJC in NJ killing it too, but I don't seem to see him bloviating over his perfect score...

KJC - thanks for carrying us bro!

From: Dave
23-Dec-13
Damnit! I knew I was gonna get screwed on #7. I got the hint and scanned the ground forever looking for something and still didn't see it.

From: ZED
23-Dec-13
damn you #7....

23-Dec-13
Last question was a tough one because it depends upon where in the lungs the broadhead slices. Thanks and Merry Christmas to you and yours!

From: Jack Harris
23-Dec-13
Too-shay RC... And thanks for #8 Pat, that was a gift...

From: Trophy8
23-Dec-13
7 out of 8...Oh Santa...lol

From: Stekewood
23-Dec-13
I should have known better than to choose what I would have done (and what Pat obviously did) for #3, rather than the "by the book" answer, which I admit is the right one. Oh well. 7 out of 8 ain't bad. Fun challenge. Merry Christmas to all!

From: deerhunter72
23-Dec-13
Thanks Pat, fun challenge! Merry Christmas to all.

From: RLong
23-Dec-13
I'm toast! I thought one question was a trick question and guessed wrong. And two times I tried to do things on my mobile and hit the wrong button to see my choices....which selected the wrong one which was in the view at the time. HAHAHAHA! I'm a much better shot with my bow, than I am with my thumb!

From: deerhunter72
23-Dec-13
Just remembered that I had to do a presentation on the tenses of lie and lay back in high school. I completely screwed the whole thing up and to this day I don't get it right. However, I'm quite lucky that my wife has a masters in literacy and my bother teaches English. I always welcome my redneck grammar being corrected, NOT!!

That was quite tricky Pat!

From: JTV
23-Dec-13
I must say...that is one ugly bow(color) ;0) .... thanks Pat ....Merry Christmas .....

From: JuJuStik
23-Dec-13
Wow, This must have been the easiest challenge ever, because I finally got them all right! Merry Christmas to all!

23-Dec-13
I thought this was a blood trail...if I wanted to work a puzzel, I would have bought a pubic cube.

From: Jack Harris
23-Dec-13
not touching that one ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Or that one v v v v v

23-Dec-13
I thought this was a blood trail...if I wanted a puzzel I would have worked a pubic cube.

23-Dec-13
As a colored blind person, I always have trouble finding blood, even if I am standing in it. He has eyes for blood, he can see a pin drop in or on anything. I started good but finished weak. It was fun though. I saw both of the deer I shot this year go down 40 yards or a tad closer, shot placement is everything.

From: steve
23-Dec-13
Holly cow got the last 2 right 1 I saw the horns 1 I guested ended with 51 .Good thing Pat maxed it .

From: Jack Harris
23-Dec-13
"As a colored blind person"....

I think you meant "color-blind" ?

Huge difference in semantics there....

If you are the former - you could not read this or shoot a bow, so will assume the latter....

From: MA_Bowhunter
23-Dec-13
Wow, only 19.7% got question 7 right.

From: Z Barebow
23-Dec-13
I guess I should have read this thread first before I played.

I might have had a chance on ? 7.

As a ND resident, I also have an issue with being on the same side as TBM.

Not whining, just a game and thanks for hosting Pat!

23-Dec-13
HA!! I'm color blind and had the wife helping me a little.. Seen the rack but we were focused on blood trailing. The last question,, I don't know anyone that ranges how far their deer went or tells how far it went to the nearest 1/2 yard so I thought it was a generic answer. Also, my Leupold range finder doesn't range in 1/2 yards, it was fun anyway and I'll be set for more "trick" questions from now on.

From: Z Barebow
23-Dec-13
wwag- I am color blind also. I used my zoom screen option to find it. I always struggle with blood specks.

From: bigbuckbob
23-Dec-13
question 7 was stupid!!!

23-Dec-13
Question 7 was awesome... you must not have done one of these before ;-)

From: Glunt@work
23-Dec-13
Whoops, sorry team. I double out-thunk myself. Thanks Pat and Merry Christmas to all.

From: bb
23-Dec-13
Who measures a 1/2 yard? Good Grief

23-Dec-13
These things are entertaining to see us all come unglued when we miss question. This one seems more entertaining than informative. I still look forward to the next one.

From: deerhunter72
23-Dec-13
Pat, is that your deer stand over the top of your left ear in the last picture? Maybe I'm making things up?

From: Long Hunter
23-Dec-13
I got #7 wrong even though I got the hint about laying in the picture. Spent quite a bit of time looking but never could see the antler even after I answered and got the correct quadrant.

Great fun. Sorry about your reindeer Santa! Probably shouldn't let them run loose during deer season.

23-Dec-13

From: 4 points
23-Dec-13
That would be one hairy ice cube!

From: Duke
24-Dec-13
The rack was so small I couldn't find it...

Perplexed with last question as to how you can range how far a deer went from your stand? Mr. Trebec, your question is flawed!

24-Dec-13
Two ways that I measure a blood trail is with a GPS or use Google Earth.

24-Dec-13
I could have used a 25 foot tape measure once but I thought my hunting buddies would have me committed if I told then he ran 18 feet 7 3/4 inches...

From: DVMan
24-Dec-13
I liked this BT Challenge the best of them all. I liked competing as a state. Any chance we can do the rest of them this way from now on?

Oh, and I had 7/8. I say clue 4 blows as well.

Whaaaa Whaaaaa Whaaaaa

26-Dec-13
I learned and relearned that these challenges have more to do with understanding the author than your abilities in the real world. Since they are real situations, however, we can learn from them. Why does a heart shot deer typically run so far? I know they do but have not yet explained it to myself?

From: SANDMAN
26-Dec-13
I believe you are spot on greenmountain. Thats why I dont get the incessant bragging by some on here. These GAMES are fun, but hardly an accurate caliber of an individuals abilities.

From: tradmt
26-Dec-13
The bragging is just a game also.

From: comando
27-Dec-13
I got all the important ones right .

From: txhunter58
05-Jan-14
I must protest the method of scoring/ranking. Nova scotia ranks #1 with only one entry? How about adding one point for each contestant in each state more than one. In other words Nova Scotia scores 63 + 0. Hawaii scores 54 + 4. Etc.

Otherwise, we should just noniminate a "captain" for our state and only let him go for a score.

As if the score/ranking actually matters..........LOL

From: Pat Lefemine
05-Jan-14
We will tweak the scoring for the next game.

I think I am going to leave the state teams in place for every competition. It certainly adds more meaningless fun for people to get all twisted over.

We have two more bloodtrails in the can for 2014 with more to come. stay tuned.

Congratulations Nova Scotia - whoever you are.

From: 12yards
06-Jan-14
So if this was the Civil War edition, who won, the Yanks or Rebs?

From: MA_Bowhunter
06-Jan-14
Pat, if you tweak the scoring, maybe the winning state is the one that has the highest average score per question answered, not just the highest average score? That way, if someone doesn't answer all the questions, their state wouldn't be penalized as their questions would just add to the average.

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