Got A Little Blood Tracker
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Zbone 26-Jun-17
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From: Zbone
26-Jun-17

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Picked up "Elsa", German for noble... :^) on Friday... She's a 8-1/2 week old, black and tan, standard size, smooth hair "Teckel" of European bloodlines... (See: www.true-teckels.com)... American name is Dachshund, although she's from serious hunting dog bloodlines in which there are only a handful of breeders in the US... Both her parents specialize in blood tracking...

Still letting her adjust to the house and household right now, all is good, and hope to start blood trail training later this week...

From: Scar Finga
26-Jun-17
Awesome Z ! She's beautiful! I love the hunting Dachs! Good luck with her and keep us posted as she grows!

Scar.

26-Jun-17
Clutch has one about 2 years old now so reach out to him if you seek any advice. His tracker Dog is amazing but they've got to be trained properly. Good luck! C

From: Ace
26-Jun-17
She is a cutie for sure, I am always reminded of a saying I read somewhere: "God didn't make any ugly puppies". Best of luck with her Z.

Lost my best friend a few weeks ago after 14 years of loyal friendship and pointing birds. Every time I see or hear about somebody getting a new puppy I get that 'Smile and a Tear' thing going at the same time. I see a lot of fun and blood trails in your future, enjoy each other!

From: Buffalo1
26-Jun-17
Z that is a beautiful pup. Think she already has a size 10 foot !!

From: GregE
26-Jun-17
Good looking pup.

During my Yeager training while stationed in Germany I learned Dach is the European Badger- smaller than NA variety. 'Badger dogs' are used to chase them out of their dens. If they are anywhere near as tough as the NA Badger when confronted- a dog has got to be tough to do that.

G

Interesting history- glad my memory of info from 30 + years in intact. ;) http://www.true-teckels.com/history.html

From: midwest
26-Jun-17
Keep us updated on her progress....beautiful pup!

From: Zbone
26-Jun-17
Thanks guys...

Yeah Buffalo1, she's got some big feet...8^)

Am told both parents are around 20 pounds as adults, so she is not going to be a miniature by any means...

Charlie - Been a dog man all my life, but this is my first blood trailer to be, I'll take all the good training information I can get... Got a email or contact for "Clutch"... Don't remember that handle... My email is: [email protected]... Thanks

Thing is though, been laid off since February and was looking forward to spending a lot of time training her but just today secured a new job and start Wednesday... Go figure... I'll still make the time training her though...

Thanks again folks, will post progress...

From: drycreek
26-Jun-17

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Z, congrats on the gainful employment, but more congrats on the new pup ! Ain't nothing like a good dog for companionship. They don't bitch 'cause you got the a/c on cold, they're always ready on time, and for a couple pieces of bacon, they will follow you to hell and back.

This here is Master Seargent Buster K. Brown ( K is for Killer ) He's a natural blood trailer too.

From: Scar Finga
27-Jun-17
Remember, let her have fun and lots of it! make every adventure a game and every game a small training activity!

She will be awesome!

From: olebuck
27-Jun-17
go ahead a buy a tracking collar. i bought the Alpha dog and it has helped me a ton. it makes me feel 1000 times better know i can find my dog if she gets of lead, and that i can communicate with her without yelling across the woods. I use the "tone" command and have been doing recall training out to 400 yds - huge difference.

I got a German Jagd Terrier back in September, she found 14 deer last fall, and i have been hammering obedience this summer - she is doing great and i expect her to do very well this fall / winter.

From: Mark Watkins
27-Jun-17
Congrats and keep us posted on her progress!!

Mark

From: DL
27-Jun-17
We were hose sitting years ago for people that had an indoor dachshund( shotzie). One day I took her outside to see what she would do with a huge gopher out there. First one she'd ever seen. She became a different animal. She went after that thing like a wolf. Definitely have hunting skills. Blood trailers are great to have. I've used them on three deer in hot weather. If we didn't find them they'd be rotten by morning. Two were dead within 200 yds. Trying to find at night in 3' high dry grass is tough but the dogs found them within 5 minutes. The third one was liver shot but took two hours of dog tracking to find with almost zero blood. It was a cattle dog but came through in a pinch. It's just as exciting to watch the dog as it is to make the shot.

From: Zbone
09-Jul-17
Laid the first liver drag 20 paces this evening for Elsa... I gave her a couple tiny slivers of beef liver in the house, first she's tasted that I'm aware, then picked her up took her outside and set her down at drag start and she immediately picked up the scent and followed it to the end just like a natural born tracker... I was impressed by the little 10 week old...8^)

From: 76aggie
10-Jul-17
You will have a fine hunting buddy for years to come.

From: Drahthaar
10-Jul-17
Good looking pup. been training blood trailing dogs since the early 70s, do all your tracks with the wind to your back, make sure to leave peace of raw deer or pig hide at end, canned sausage good too . I just a new Drahthaar pup couple months ago, have done several tracks with him but he hasn't figured out 90 deg turns yet, takes a lot of training , but well worth it. Forrest

From: sam
11-Jul-17

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This was my blood tracking Teckel of 13.5 years, I lost her April 6th after a 17 month battle with anal gland carcinoma. Cherish her buddy cause they don't last nearly long enough.

From: Drahthaar
12-Jul-17
Sam , sorry for your loss, get you another one. it will help with the pain. My old dog is going on 11 years old , that is why I got a pup . Forrest

From: sam
12-Jul-17
Thanks Forrest, it's been over three months now and I still cry for her nearly every day. They are in my opinion the greatest breed.

From: Drahthaar
12-Jul-17
Sam,Never owned a Teckel ,have herd good things about them , Had Drahthaars since 1980. don't no if John Jenny out of NY is still breeding Teckel or not, been over 10 year since I talked with him about a dog. Forrest

From: Zbone
26-Jul-17
Since Elsa turns 13 weeks old today so thought I’d give a little update…

She’s a smart cookie with a heck of a nose… She knows her name and is now blood trailing out to 75 paces in different terrain such as dirt short grass, high weeds, etc. with slight turns and angles, although I haven’t done a sharp 90 degree on her yet but am sure she’d figure it out and I know she can trail much further… It seems natural to her… Am impressed… Years ago I tried blood trail training one of my lap dogs as a pup, but was a waste of time, they had no drive such as this pup… Bloodlines are amazing; this pup has it…

She’s had a big week so far with the Vet check and got microchipped…

The week of the 4th, the neighborhood fire crackers seem to get her attention and didn’t like them, so thought I try to nip gun shyness in the bud before it appeared, so I took her to the trap range Friday and as I pulled up they were shooting 50-60 yards or so away… The gunfire got her attention while in the car, and eventually I slowly started working toward the trap line… She was a big hit with the spectators, and by the time we left she was socializing with all the strangers and romping around just a few yards behind the trap shooting line guns a blazing… The gunfire didn’t bother her… She did great and is doing great…

From: midwest
26-Jul-17
When I had my beagle pups, I would put them in the yard, let them wander off a ways, not paying any attention to me then fire a .22 into the ground. This would get their attention, then I would call them to me right away and give them a treat. After a few sessions of this, they could be around the other side of the house when I'd fire the gun and they'd come running to get a treat! Never had an issue with gun shyness.

From: Zbone
26-Jul-17
Thanks for the tip midwest, am going to try that...

From: Forest bows
29-Jul-17

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I'll be a wreak when I lose this guy Sam!

From: Zbone
09-Feb-24

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I know this thread is old but some requested updates so here is a 6-year update...8^) Actually this is an update with an agenda,,, stud service...

Elsa is now 6-years old and weighs around 20 pounds depending on the day... Had her to the vet last week and she weighed in at 19.2 pounds but I've had her on scales at 22 pounds, but her fighting weight is right around 20 pounds... She is such a sweetheart and great dog with a strong prey drive... I've never had her bred but am now looking for stud dog for a spring breeding... Black and tan, smooth coat standard male Dachshund/Teckels from European working dog bloodlines are hard to come by... There are so few of them over here with European conformation in which they are bred to be built to hunt are slight longer legged with a slightly shorter backs than the American conformation... I'm staying away from wire hairs (there are a few of them out there) and longhairs am looking for a black and tan or chocolate and tan smooth hair... The American show dachshund is too long, too low and too heavy to be of much use in the fields and forests for any amount of time. I'm trying now to start networking with the field trailers for contact of stud dogs, so thought I'd also post here in case somebody might know of one...

If so please send me a PM or email me: [email protected]...

Thanks for any info...

From: Buckdeer
09-Feb-24
Be careful with them outside until they get all their parvo shots.My vet said that coons are really spreading it now so to stay away from anywhere they are and when bringing to vet don't sit them on the ground.My new lab pup is all good now ready to shed hunt or at least run around.I lost my old lab a couple months ago also.

From: JB
09-Feb-24
Missed this thread the 1st time around. She went from cute pup to a beautiful dog!

From: Zbone
09-Feb-24
Thanks JB...

From: fuzzy
09-Feb-24
Nice !

From: Gib
09-Feb-24
Beautiful dog thanks for the update

From: Stekewood
09-Feb-24
What a great looking dog. I got my first dachshund 20 years ago for tracking. Aside from their great noses, they're fantastic companions and my family is in love with the breed. We have had two more since the first and will never be without at least one.

From: drycreek
09-Feb-24

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I have an update too. Sad to say, after 14 years I had to put Sarge down this past October. He was a good companion and found many a hog and deer for me and friends. I mourned him a couple months and then decided that I wasn’t too old for a new pup. I contacted a guy that I knew just had a new litter and picked out a little female JRT. Her name is Molly and she puts the Terrorist in Jack Russell !

From: Bow Bullet
09-Feb-24
When I read the title I thought I was going to read about spiders. LOL

Good looking pup!

From: Zbone
10-Feb-24

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Thanks folks for the complements...

She is such a socialite and likes everybody she meets and they all luv her back, yet hell on critters though...8^)

She is such a party animal...8^)

She has a bucket full of toys at home and never plays with them, but take her to the 4th of July party at the in-laws, what's she do, steal one of the dog's toy and wouldn't let it down... Go figure...8^)

Dang drycreek - I can tell just by looking at that little dude he's a handful of tornados...8^)

From: Stekewood
10-Feb-24

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He would be a great stud dog but he’s missing the important parts.. ??

From: drycreek
10-Feb-24

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For you Z

From: Zbone
10-Feb-24
That's funny Don... Thanks...8^)))

From: carcus
11-Feb-24

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Here is mine, great dogs

From: Zbone
12-Feb-24

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Would like to thank a couple folks who contacted me privately... Thank you...

Research over, I had a meet and greet Saturday with the nice young lady owner of the potential mate for Elsa... This is Simon from hunting stock with a great pedigree, field champions everywhere, even his sire and dame are field champions...

What youenz think?

From: Zbone
12-Feb-24

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I also met Simon's field champion father Silas... I guess he lost his eye in a coon fight when a pup... She said he killed the coon, but lost the eye...

From: Sam
12-Feb-24

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Simon would be an excellent sire for your pups. I know a bit about him. Here is a pic from this weekend with my 16 month old puppy from pure Russian blood line.

From: Sam
12-Feb-24
Zbone… here is some free advice, nothing could have ever prepared me for how attached I got to those little buggers when we had our litter. Everyone that bought a pup got to see a 53 year old man cry like a baby.

From: Zbone
12-Feb-24
"Simon would be an excellent sire for your pups. I know a bit about him"

Cool Sam, great to hear, thanks for sharing...

You have a good looking pup there and looks like he's doing great!

I assume he is one of the pups in the photo from the litter you posted a while back? I remember conversing with you at the time...

Curious Sam, do you field trial? I've never been to a Dachshund/Teckel field trial but plan on attending one this year.

Am not counting my chickens before they hatch, but hoping for a successful mating come around May...

He is a bit bigger than her and hope it'll happen naturally without using a reproduction veterinarian

If successful, just hope she'll throw a female pup I can keep...

"nothing could have ever prepared me for how attached I got to those little buggers when we had our litter"

Yeah, it's rough... Have whelped 12 litters of other breeds through years and know the emotions of letting them go... It's tough,,, but what was tougher was I had a female Morkie-Poo lapdog in which I was there at her conception and her birth and personally doc her tail and removed her dew claws when she was just minutes old and after 12 years I was holding her in my arms when the vet had to put her down last year... Talk about a tear jerker...8^(((

From: Sam
12-Feb-24
Z the pic is from a pup I kept from the litter, actually a “she” Vanna, she does have a rather blocky muzzle like a male.

I actually had amazing success field trialing, I had a wire hair male “Argos” that won absolute at his first field trial, my wife then about a year later ran him over in our side by side, that nearly ended in divorce. I haven’t field trialed Vanna yet because I don’t have her AKC registration, her Russian site “Vadim” is such a recent immigrant that shortly after he arrived on US soil the Ukrainian, Russian war broke out and the AKC in their infinant wisdom put a moratorium on Russian dogs. I have no doubt she also would win the title of absolute at her first FT.

From: Sam
12-Feb-24
AKC Dachshund Field trialing is a different animal, mostly ran by 70+ year old women….so use your imagination, I gave them an earful more than once.

From: Zbone
13-Feb-24
Sam - Sorry to hear about your dog...

Can't even imagine the red tape and paper work trying to immigrate a dog from a foreign country with a foreign dog registration trying to get AKC to register it....

If I remember right your litter was from a red male and black and tan female with Russian bloodlines?

"AKC Dachshund Field trialing is a different animal"

In these AKC field trials I understand the earthdog events, but the tracking events on their website are confusing because it seems Dachshunds are tracking/trailing rabbits, and not blood tracking/trailing: "In Dachshund field trials braces of dogs are put on the scent line of a rabbit or hare and judged on the quality of their work on the scent line."

I've raised and run beagles as a kid so understand that, but are there strictly blood trailing events at these AKC field trials or are the blood trailing events outside the the realm of the AKC and unaffiliated? Don't want to travel a couple hundred miles to a field trial just to learn they are just running rabbits...

Why I asked is I also see on their website: "Tracking Events TR/TX/VST/TDU", whatever those mean, can only assume "TR/TX" is track and trail or visa versa, but their website really doesn't explain what scent are they tracking , human scent for like search and rescue, or maybe bird or small game scent, or is this where the AKC blood tracking/trailing may come in?

Then there is this organization: https://www.unitedbloodtrackers.org/upcoming-events/ which seems only blood trailing but nothing close to me, and assume they haven't any association with AKC?

Forgive me I'm a little ignorant on this field trial stuff, the only time I was ever at a field trial was a retriever trial back in the day when a buddy and I were gunners... That was fun though, we actually shot a bunch of live ducks out of the air...8^)

Thanks for any info for those in the know...

From: Sam
13-Feb-24
Z you’ve got it correct, the rabbit field trial is nothing more than a make believe rabbit hunt, it’s quite silly actually but it’s Disneyland for the dogs, but no blood whatsoever, your dog is judged on how well they react and track the rabbit.

Like you found, UBT’rs is where you get different levels of certification on actual mock blood trails. While it is a good organization and I wholeheartedly support what they are doing I also have never participated as they seem to never be near me.

My wife has done the earth dog a few times with our bitch, they both really enjoy it. I’m on board with pretty much anything that stimulates prey drive in the dog.

From: Sam
13-Feb-24
Z look up Yury Yury on FB and YouTube. This guy is reversing all the damage done to the breed by North Americans for the past 100 plus years.

From: Zbone
13-Feb-24
Cool Sam, so no AKC involvement in blood tracking and it is only UBT for the blood trailer events and certificates... I'll keep keep and eye on their events page to see if anything will pop up in my area... Thank you much for your input!

Was also looking into the German Versatility Test for Dachshunds, (DTK VSwP blood track testing) but can't find any events in U.S. for 2024 yet from the North American Teckel Club (NATC) website since it has not been updated...

"look up Yury Yury on FB and YouTube" - I will do so sir... I appreciate the info...

From: Zbone
03-Jun-24

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First breeding session yesterday didn't go too well... She's ready, she is flagging and standing and he's ready but both are inexperienced and he is just a little too tall...8^(

Waiting on a call to try artificial insemination today...

From: fdp
03-Jun-24
You can put her on a small platform if you need to in order to make her taller. Also keep in mind you should breed at least 3 times during the cycle, and count the delivery date from the last breeding. That's how we have always done our German Shepherds and Cane Corso's.

From: fdp
03-Jun-24

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These guys were born Saturday.

From: Zbone
03-Jun-24
Cute pups fdp...

From: Groundhunter
03-Jun-24
Nice dog. We'll over 30 years ago I went to a dog tracking trial in the UP. I had brought a NAVHDA qualified short hair, got quite an education on " wiener" dogs, that weekend. Wire hair dauchasand won the trial. Nice dogs. Good luck with yours,

From: Sam
03-Jun-24
Z give em time, it took about 8 days before my two tied up that produced my pups. A lot of failed attempts leading up to it.

From: Zbone
03-Jun-24
"A lot of failed attempts leading up to it"... Yeah Sam tell me about it...8^))) My issue is the stud's house is not local for me and over a 2-hour drive and she (the owner) works, so time is limited...

Elsa is/was ready as can be seen in photo she would stand and flag for him, but the poor guy was all over the place...8^))) It's kinda embarrassing watching and trying to assist with a lady there...8^)))

The dogs tried for a long time until they both got tired, and Simon actually kinda collapsed in the owners arms like he needed a cigarette...8^) He actually made it in once but for only about 3 or 4 and "slipped"...8^) But don't think there was any fertilizing, there was no lockup, but ya never know...8^( Well should say will know in 63 days...

We're gonna try again tomorrow afternoon and if Simon can't get it done, we now have an insemination kit and gonna give that a try...

I hope Simon can get it done, don't want to watch the lady collect his seamen...8^)))

From: Sam
04-Jun-24
I had all but given up when I heard YIPE!!!! From the kitchen, I had to remind myself “a dog has probably never died from breeding”… lol The owner of our stud was 3 hours away but I was fortunate and she said just come and take him home with you for two weeks.

From: Zbone
04-Jun-24
Yeah, thought about that Sam but couldn't let Elsa stay with the male for the owner had 4 males in her house and she hadn't offered me to take him for a while so I didn't bring it up... I'm sure Simon would have figured it out if with her for a few days, but now retired I'm with Elsa almost 24 hours a day and if I'm not around she'll whine and cry for me... My lady watched her only 12 hour one day at her house and drove her nutz with her whining she said never again, heck she whines for me if I go to the store when when my lady is at my house...8^) When I was still working, or when I take short trips she stays in her kennel she's had since a puppy and all is good, she feels secure there, but can't leave her with anybody with her whining...

From: Zbone
05-Jun-24
Well yesterday as the young lady with the male thinks our artificial insemination went well for all four of us first timers...8^)

She did Simon's collection and I did the semen insertion/injection...8^) The young lady works as a veterinarian assistant and supplied the first artificial insemination kit of pipelet/straw and syringe/plunger, and I ordered more from amazon that arrived today...

I learned the procedure via youtube videos...8^) Should says hours and hours of videos... Hey, I give my dogs vaccinations, have whelped over a dozen litter of pups through the years, doc some of their tails and removed declaws at birth, so why not learn how to artificial inseminate...8^)

Yesterday we didn't have semen extender which kinda helps juice the swimmers, so we did so without and she ordered some extender which arrived today and we are going to try insemination with extender tomorrow...

First breeding attempt naturally happened on Elsa's day 9 after first spotting and first artificial insemination without extender was on day 11 and this last artificial insemination tomorrow with extender will be on day 13...

As of this night she is still flagging so hopefully Elsa will give us a chance tomorrow... This will likely be our last shot so to speak...8^)

From: BULELK1
06-Jun-24
Fun times ahead for ya.

Keep us posted,

Robb

From: Zbone
06-Jun-24
Will do Robb, we did our final A.I. today with semen extender and she was still flagging so hopefully puppies in a couple months... I scheduled a vet appointment for July 12th for ultrasound to learn if she's pregnant, so we shall see... Fingers crossed...

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