Where to go for a Rio?
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I’m working on my turkey slam and may give Rios a shot this spring; I really can’t afford a guided hunt. I know Texas only has a small amount of public land...is any of it even worth considering? How about public land in Oklahoma? Thanks!
Quite a bit of public land in NW Oklahoma, Jasper. Canton Lake WMA, Black Kettle National Grasslands are a couple of good places to look at.
I'm going for Rio in Arizona this spring, but I wouldn't recommend it to you. They only issue 4 tags per year (split season hunt, 2 permits each hunt), and it took me 15 bonus points to draw it in a random drawing (no maximum bonus tags for these hunts)! I'm trying to get the Arizona turkey slam (Merriam's, Rio Grande and Gould's), it it will probably take me another 20 years or so to draw the Gould's tag...
Good luck in whatever state you decide to hunt.
Thanks T-roy and Big! Stick, that blows my mind that at the limited # of tags and difficulty drawing in AZ! Didn’t know about the slam there either. Very cool and what an accomplishment it will be. Best of luck!
Kansas has a good amount of public (WIHA) land with turkeys on it. Also a long season. Kansas has Rios but you will also run into hybrids.
Guided in Texas isn't all that expensive, and Rios are all but a slam-dunk here. Lots of guys have deer leases with many more turkeys than they care for and that's what I would look for. If you go the full monty with an outfitter it might be more than you want to pay, but I'd rather drive 3/4 more hours and spend $500/$700 more to be sure of success. YMMV
Toughest Rios and turkeys in America in Cali ... don’t come here :-)
or Hawaii that would be a tough hunt too
I did semi guided in Kansas good success ,we ended up hunting walk in area and another public there were plenty of birds
I would also recommend NW Oklahoma.
If you want some nice scenery and don't mind a pricey plane ticket, try New Zealand or Hawaii!
Pete
Come on out to Oklahoma. I'll show you some spots out west on public. I would really consider coming out opening weekend before the birds get pushed around too much. Black Kettle for instance, it gets hammered the first couple of weekends. The birds usually retreat to private land surrounding. If I'm available, I'll help ya.
got a buddy down in South Texas has invited me for a Rio hunt,,,looking forward to it
can't speak to Oklahoma,,,yet
If you want pure, hunt south Texas.
So are ya saying if not South Texas Rio the other locations maybe tainted ?
There are a lot of mixes scattered along the borders of the rio ranges in the Midwest. Examples of crosses would be in Nebraska and Kansas where merriams cross with rios on the west side or farther east where rios cross with easterns. If you want true pure strains of rios you may want to head farther south or head to the middle of zones known to have rios. You can also check with the particular state you plan on hunting to see exactly where a particular area's turkey stock came from (if they were introduced). In Colo there are merriams mostly in the mtns but merriam-rio crosses from the foothills east to the Colo-KS border. The SE corner of Colo may have a little purer strain of rios.
Public land in NW Oklahoma. Weve been going since 05 and wouldn't miss it for the world. Although not as common as years ago, you can still knock on doors to gain permission in the west. Good luck to you, as you wont regret getting started on an annual adventure.
I’m going to north central Ks for Rios. Not sure if they are pure Rio or not, and don’t care.
Black kettle national grassland nw Oklahoma. they will flog ur pickup
They're not Dale, but enjoy the hunt anyway! No true Rio's in KS, though lots of fellas will "sell that hunt".
What Kyle said. And scrap the hunt two kinds from the same camp. Hunting hybrids of different saddle feather colors. What was originally stocked has nothing to do with what’s there now.
Unless one were intent on registering a Slam with the NWTF, I'm not sure why "pure" is relevant? If one is planning to register a Slam, the NWTF has a map available, which includes hybrid and "pure" (per the NWTF) regions. It is their registry and their rules....making our individual opinions nothing more than that....just opinions.
Here's the NWTF's map, I'm not sure if the NWTF updates the map over time and if I agree with the boundaries? There is a line for hybrids on the Nebraska-Kansas border. I am sure there are lots of hybrids in the entire northwest corner of Kansas.
Perfect example of how flawed their map is...do you think the "Rio's" in KS know where the borders of NE and CO are and stop right there? We have a lot of birds that look like Rio's...kinda...but you'll have to go WAY South of us to actually see one.
Sito you might be on to something.. just like with the whole blacktail boundary debate of using a passable highway for one? Heaven forbid they cross the road to get to the other side ... might have to start taking turkey dna for Nwtf ;-)’
These turks are from SW Nebraska near the Kansas border. Hybrids, I guess, but they don't look or sound much at all like an Eastern from Iowa. Does a pure Rio look much different?
Both darker secondaries but look at how the rt bird is lighter overall... pretty birds.
Both darker secondaries but look at how the rt bird is lighter overall... pretty birds.
Then here’s one lower more open terrain that has much lighter secondaries as other two birds yet only 30 minutes serrated them and all are pure Rios.. no other species even remotely close to these.
Then here’s one lower more open terrain that has much lighter secondaries as other two birds yet only 30 minutes serrated them and all are pure Rios.. no other species even remotely close to these.
Imo turkeys are a species that can look very different from their buddy when they are the same species but from different areas, with much different terrain etc... I hunt an area that is mostly covered with a canopy and darker woods. This area has produced some of the darkest most vibrant rio turkeys I’ve ever seen,, almost eastern like but there isn’t an eastern even close to here. Then I drive 30 minutes to an area that’s lower elevation more open typical rio terrain if there is such a thing and the birds have the more buff colored tips etc. like a typical rio from the south. Here’s an example of how two birds in that canopy area can look different next to there buddy and be very colorful and dark even though they are pure Rios.
Well, a line has to be drawn somewhere....and regardless where that line is drawn, the same argument exists. Do the birds on one side of the line know they are pure and the other side of the line know they are hybrids?
My point is simply, the NWTF owns the Slam registry. Their map....their rules. Again, unless one intends to register a Slam, I don't understand the fascination with pursuing "pure" subspecies? Completed a shotgun slam over 20 years ago...but not sure I've ever had more fun turkey hunting than chasing hybrids in Nebraska!
Rick,
Thanks for th offer! Might hit you up next year!
Got mine on the Kaw Wildlife area in north central Oklahoma. Good number of birds.
...and those are hybrids.
My certificate of registration from the NWTF says RIO. That should settle the debate.
Some from several TX Ranches.
Not, NWTF wants your money for registration. It’s all hybrids right across the line in Kansas...you think they stop at borders? Congrats on whatever you want to call it. You got the Rio experience hunting a bird on the prairie.
Writer says who? The Oklahoma turkey species map puts kaw wma well within the Rio zone. Even when looking at the kansas species map going straight north from kaw would put him just to the west of the hybrid line in rio country. But that just the opinion of 2 state wildlife agencies.
..... Do the birds on one side of the line know they are pure and the other side of the line know they are hybrids?..:::::
Yes the birds on the pure side of the line strut loud and proud their heritage whereas those on the hybrid side of the line tend to only make half hearted attempts at shame half struts and rarly go vocal lest they call attention to there cross linage garbled garbage. Borders have consequences!