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Getting The 3rd Virus Shot
"There is also good news for the general population. Because recent studies show COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness against infection declines over time, the CDC has approved booster shots for the general population to boost the immune system back up to the protective level. The boosters will roll out Sept. 20 and should be given eight months after an individual’s second dose."
This is more of a generic survey of attitudes regarding the 3rd booster shot. For those who have received their two shots, did you plan on getting the 3rd (booster) shot after you hit your 8 month clock? I was planning on it.
Already received mine. No problems- Pfizer Got mine on my primary dr. recommendation and guidance. Lots of confidence with my dr.- good medical and common sense.
My brother who works in a med office got his 3rd a couple weeks back. He felt bad for about 3 days and then back to normal. My old CG hunting/fishing buddy got his last week and other than the usual sore arm....not bad reactions at all.
When the science says it's needed then maybe, but the science doesn't say so at this point. Too much money being made with these shots and too much politics envoled, hurts the whole effort.
Yes. I'll get the third one.
An antibody test before making any vaccine decisions is my approach.
I’ll do what my Primary Care Doctor tells me. Been with him for 22 years. He and Idyll on Bowsite are the guys I trust.
Everything else is designed by the media to keep the Covid chaos alive until 2022 elections so there aren’t 400 Republican congressmen at 73 Republican Senators.
Ill get one as often as they’ll let me. Better that than living in fear of dying.
I'm with Charlie Going with what my primary Dr. says. So far he says no. Been wit him 35 years. Actually travelled the world with him.
So, your immune system forgets it was trained to recognize the spike protein...?
I will take a booster when available.
I will more than likely. Wife was very sick, I was fairly sick with covid. Wife scared me, we will take our chances on the 3rd shot. We strongly disagree with the mandating of shots though. Still a free country.
Ditto, what Charlie says. My doctor and I hunt together at times. I think he just may know more than the anti vax keyboard hacks. He told me to take the first shot. I got the single dose J&J, and had zero reaction, not even a sore arm. Having said that, I don’t care if others decide not to get the shot. And while I’m at it, I don’t have a big problem with companies making a lot of money on the meds they produce. I just hope they put some of those profits toward development of other life saving measures, and help mankind and make more profits.
Dale. So if your Dr. said no you would be good with that too
Only States can mandate vaccines.
Do what your Dr. recommends
There has never been any advice through all of this that has been 100%
RK, if my doc said don’t take the shot, I would not take it. I’m 70 years old. Over the years, I’ve had doctors recommend some things that I believe have extended my life.
when my time comes, I will talk it over with my primary physician and if he recommends it, i'll get it. no big deal.
I'll get my 3rd shot in mid-December.
Good luck, Robb
Hot dang, Charlie! lol
I'm way past due for a physical. I'll see what my doc says when I go.
I reacted pretty hard to the two which means my body knows what it’s doing. Not sure I’d get a 3rd. But probably would if that’s what the really smart people say to do.
Another ditto on Charlie's take. Been with my doc 21 years, he steers me straight.
I got the third shot a couple of weeks ago. While the 'second' shot cleaned my clock (105 temp etc) the third shot just produced a sore arm and a little bit of achiness the next day. Nothing to it.
Had mine already due to pulmonary issues. Would rather hunt this fall than be sick.
Been reading alot about the mRNA shots(Moderna/Pfizer) that raises some doubt about long term safety. I got Moderna back in Dec. but will not get the booster. Only booster I would consider is the NON-mRNA vaccine (Johnson and Johnson), but I hear that is hard to get. I'm gonna hold off for now as I am young and healthy........................................
I’ll listen to my primary care physician. I’ve had Covid and both Pfizer shots. Funny thing though, my physician’s advice, mirrors Idlyy’s (Ike) advice given here on BOWSITE, for free. I tend to give credence to people much smarter than I am and whom I trust.
My doctor has told me not to get it. Does that mean I’m a keyboard anti vax hack? Or, can I be part of the smart club that’s been screaming vaccinations for all?
I’ll continue to do what my doctor and I derive as the correct approach for me. And, let the rest of it just roll on.
Ha! WV it seems you have to be in one group or the other;)
My PCP recommended the vaccine. I'll do the booster if he recommends it. I'm not an MD or an infectious disease specialists, so I yield to the experts.
Truth be told, getting all Americans 100% vaccinated double or triple booster etc. will likely not solve the covid problem. This is a global issue. And if the rest of the world keeps catching and spreading the virus, it will keep mutating, and eventually work its way around to get past our current vaccines. We are up to Delta variant now and the vaccine is already down to 40-70% effective. Mu and Lambda variants right around the corner....
It's like the same people pushing a 3rd booster on Americans (before most of the world had even one dose) are the same people who think reducing American carbon gases will solve global warming [sic] while China and India produce more than ever!!
The FDA says 3rd shot not needed at this time.
The whole point to a couple of the vaccines was to train your immune system to recognize the dreaded spike protein. How does your immune system forget what it was taught? If vaccinated people get sick from a variant different from the "alpha", then what your immune system learned about the spike protein is non-existent, or, the variant doesn't have the same spike protein.
A booster, in this case, isn't really helpful...
"My doctor has told me not to get it."
the booster or the vaccine itself?
What really scares the hell out of me is the fact 3 co - workers (all under the age of 50) are wrecked with rheumatoid arthritis & terrible psoriasis due to getting vaccines while in the military. All 3 are receiving partial disability payments as the government acknowledges it was the vaccines that did this to them.............and this was a result of vaccines that were on the market / in use for many, many years. These symptoms didn’t manifest until YEARS AFTER taking them.
Here’s a good question as I never got a flu shot. How long is the regular flu shot good for as I never heard of a flu booster shot?
personal choice...no mandates
I'll get the booster if my employer requires it.
How long is the regular flu shot good for as I never heard of a flu booster shot?
Very first dose is about 9 months, wait 2 or 3 months and then get a "booster"...
"Here’s a good question as I never got a flu shot. How long is the regular flu shot good for as I never heard of a flu booster shot?"
you get one for the predominant strain each year.
Typical flu shot is generally about 40% effective for the targeted strains and begins to wear off after about 6 months. This is what I've read FWIW.
“you get one for the predominant strain each year”. Some people do, but I haven’t had a flu shot in years and I also haven’t had the flu in years.
I don't care for mandates,,,I don't date men. :^)
Wife had third as she has no spleen. I have had two and plan to get the booster soon. Im on my way to 67 and an otherwise healthy diabetic though......
I want to go with Charlie to get my 3rd round. I "qualify" due to the 8 month period in a couple of weeks but will likely wait and get it towards the end of 2021.
"Here’s a good question as I never got a flu shot. How long is the regular flu shot good for as I never heard of a flu booster shot? "
The flu changes every year, and every year I get a new shot, hopefully updated to beat the latest flu strain. Is that a 'booster'? Whatever. I suspect that Covid might mutate as fast as the flu, and that I might need a Covid booster/update/call it whatever every year.
And incidentally, that *annual* flu shot didn't go through seven years of testing, fwiw. Hasn't killed me yet, and I haven't had the flu in decades. Could be the vitamin D...
Got my 3rd. Technically don’t qualify, but it was about to be thrown away because once a vial is reconstituted, it has an expiration time. I hate waste so I said, what the heck.
Here is something I don't understand.
Nemo, I’ve been wondering the same damn thing! We didn’t even see the Chinese dictator catch it very interesting in deed.
Maybe because they get the best possible medical care?
Dana, I’m 43 haven’t had a flu since I was 16 and never had a flu shot. Knock on wood
Dana, so their are life saving methods for Covid patients but yet we get the bottom of the barrel treatment?
This is from the Louisiana Dept of Health Website. Photo taken on 9/15/21.
I think the % stats from the “Those no fully vaccinated account for...” speaks volumes on the value of being fully vaccinated!
I’ll probably hold off unless my FD requires it. I have been quite surprised as to how many breakthrough cases there have been with both patients and brothers/sisters on line
Buffalo Louisiana vaccination rate is 37% of the total population. So according to that 15% of the Covid deaths were from vaccinated people. Not exactly something to write home about.
Don’t let the vaccination issues of some stop you from getting vaccinated.
"Buffalo Louisiana vaccination rate is 37% of the total population. So according to that 15% of the Covid deaths were from vaccinated people. Not exactly something to write home about."
Spikey, could you show your math please? Thanks.
I just googled Louisiana vaccine rate and it said 37% are vaccinated and the post above says 85% of Covid deaths are from unvaccinated so that leaves 15%. The point is if only 37% of the state is vaccinated then obviously their is going to be more people dead that aren’t vaccinated simple law of averages but the states spin the numbers so much to make it look bad to people who are idiots.
LOL. I know math is hard, but c'mon man.
3.7 out of 10 Louisiana residents are vaccinated. 8.5 out of 10 Covid deaths in the last 6 days are from the unvaccinated residents. That means you are over twice as likely to die from Covid if you are unvaccinated.
Do you like those odds?
How many of those not participating in the indoctrination inoculations previously had the China virus? Why are those numbers not stated in the reporting?
We don't really know what the odds are if those numbers aren't included.
Matt if less people are vaccinated (37%) then OBVIOUSLY more people that are unvaccinated are going to die because their is MORE of them. Not to mention it is said that the Delta variant is affecting children which can’t take the vaccine and probably older people with bad health issues like heart problems. All I know is these numbers will always be skewed in order to push a vaccination agenda. Bottom line is if less people are vaccinated then more unvaccinated people will die simply by law of averages.
What complicates the math even more is what percentage of people have had and recovered from Covid, but will suffer from resulting life-long health problems, that could have been prevented by getting the vaccine.
GG - indoctrination inoculations weren't available when a large number of us got it. And recovered. With no apparent life-long health problems. But are still being coerced to get jabbed. With no medical reasoning being given in our specific cases. Just broad strokes of behavioral compliance being demanded. By the same folks who think x's and y's are meaningless. And who love murdering babies. No thanks.
FWIW....from the CDC. Some more info about the 3rd dose.
"COVID-19 Vaccines for Moderately to Severely Immunocompromised People
Updated Sept. 2, 2021
What You Need to Know
People with moderately to severely compromised immune systems are especially vulnerable to COVID-19, and may not build the same level of immunity to 2-dose vaccine series compared to people who are not immunocompromised. This additional dose intended to improve immunocompromised people’s response to their initial vaccine series. Although CDC does not recommend additional doses or booster shots for any other population at this time, HHS has announced a plan to begin offering COVID-19 vaccine booster shots this fall. CDC recommends that people with moderately to severely compromised immune systems receive an additional dose of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 28 days after a second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.
Data on Decreased Immune Response Among Immunocompromised People
People who are moderately to severely immunocompromised make up about 3% of the adult population and are especially vulnerable to COVID-19 because they are more at risk of serious, prolonged illness.
Studies indicate some immunocompromised people don’t always build the same level of immunity after vaccination the way non-immunocompromised people do, and may benefit from an additional dose to ensure adequate protection against COVID-19. In small studies pdf icon[2 MB, 36 Pages], fully vaccinated immunocompromised people have accounted for a large proportion of hospitalized “breakthrough cases,” and that suggests immunocompromised people are more likely to transmit the virus to household contacts.
Who Needs an Additional COVID-19 Vaccine?
Currently, CDC is recommending that moderately to severely immunocompromised people receive an additional dose. This includes people who have:
Been receiving active cancer treatment for tumors or cancers of the blood
Received an organ transplant and are taking medicine to suppress the immune system
Received a stem cell transplant within the last 2 years or are taking medicine to suppress the immune system
Moderate or severe primary immunodeficiency (such as DiGeorge syndrome, Wiskott-Aldrich syndrome)
Advanced or untreated HIV infection
Active treatment with high-dose corticosteroids or other drugs that may suppress your immune response
People should talk to their healthcare provider about their medical condition, and whether getting an additional dose is appropriate for them.
What are the benefits of people receiving an additional vaccine dose?
An additional dose may prevent serious and possibly life-threatening COVID-19 in people who may not have responded to their initial vaccine series. In ongoing clinical trials, the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) have been shown to prevent COVID-19 following the two-dose series. Limited information suggests that immunocompromised people who have low or no protection after two doses of mRNA vaccines may have an improved response after an additional dose of the same vaccine.
What are the risks of vaccinating individuals with an additional dose?
There is limited information about the risks of receiving an additional dose of vaccine, and the safety, efficacy, and benefit of additional doses of COVID-19 vaccine in immunocompromised people continues to be evaluated. So far, reactions reported after the third mRNA dose were similar to that of the two-dose series: fatigue and pain at injection site were the most commonly reported side effects, and overall, most symptoms were mild to moderate.
However, as with the two-dose series, serious side effects are rare, but may occur."
At our next fireman’s training session, we will be getting the Moderna booster and a flu shot. We were supposed to get it tonight but we were toned out.
If I had Covid and recovered from it with no long lasting health issues, I probably wouldn't get the vaccine. Fortunately, my immune system and PPE practices.has kept me clean, so far. So, Im in the no Covid/no vaccination camp right now. But I'm leaning towards the vaccination route, because the overwhelming body of evidence shows it is effective in reducing the symptoms, and lasting health problems from the virus.
What I’m wondering about JLs post above is if it’s really safe for a severely compromised person to be taking in all that poison. If someone has heart issues and the vaccine can affect the heart will that not kill a person? Just curious
Spike......IMO....the scenario you describe above is one where the individual would consult with his/her pulmonary specialist. I'm not sure I'd trust a general practitioner to make a final call on that one. I have a pulmonary Doc and an oncologist....plus a primary care Doc. In my case....I'll ask all three for an opinion. If the opinion is not unanimous, then at that point, we will have a meeting of the minds.
Just got the 2nd pfizer poke last week. As of right now I would likely forgo a booster. After having no effects from the first I was surprised when this one walloped me. I left work early and took a 12 hour coma, 6-7 hours a night is common for me. I also had debilitating shoulder pain to the point that my entire arm did not function properly for 2 full days causing me to miss 2 more days of work. I've dislocated my shoulder north of 20 times and had two operations to correct the issue. I'm used to shoulder pain and this was on another level that I had not experienced before. After doing some reading it seems that I may have had a case of SIRVA (should injury after receiving vaccination administration), which occurs when a vaccine is injected too high into the shoulder instead of the deltoid muscle. Luckily mine was very short lived. I read some horror stories about it lasting for months or years from a variety of different vaccines. Woke up yesterday morning back to normal. Can pull my bow and work like it never happened. Very strange how acutely the pain occurred and how quickly it disappeared. All that being said, the experience has me weary of getting any vaccine again anytime soon.
I'll most likely get it. My cousin got c-19 in October of last year. I chatted with him a few weeks back. He's still is having issues from it 11 months later.
New data is showing less of a need for a 3rd shot. Someone is pushing them hard. Talked to my Dr.'s office today to verify that if I get covid that I am eligible for monoclonal antibody infusion. Something I will take advantage if immediately upon a bad test result. It is also something they will not give you if you get TOO sick.
Of course I will get a booster.
I'm 68 and with a history of respiratory problems like pneumonia, bronchitis, and mild asthma, as well as presently having prostrate cancer... yup, I'll take the third shot if it's ever offered up here.
Glunker, those are only reserved for the rich and famous.
"Between Jan. 1 and Sept. 8, 22,663 patients hospitalized with COVID in Ohio were not fully vaccinated and 652 patients were fully vaccinated. During that same period, 7,313 people who were not fully vaccinated died from coronavirus compared to 87 fully vaccinated people, according to ODH."
Why post information from sources who are tasked to track said information? Don't you know they are corrupt with alternative motives? C'mon man.
If you haven't already, you may want to get an antibody test before making any decisions on the vaccine. Quick finger prick at Walgreens. With the high amount of asymptomatic cases, you never know.
I was listening to a radio show today and a caller phoned in who was an epidemiologist. He brought up a great point about the 3rd shot that may need more discussion/research. If the 3rd shot hasn't been "adjusted" to address the "D" variant, it likely won't do you any good for that.
Well, either way, hopefully it helps the western states draw odds….
"The whole point to a couple of the vaccines was to train your immune system to recognize the dreaded spike protein. How does your immune system forget what it was taught? If vaccinated people get sick from a variant different from the "alpha", then what your immune system learned about the spike protein is non-existent, or, the variant doesn't have the same spike protein."
That was the control group that got only the saline shot. It's all experimental , remember? And that's why the government has to pay for it, because insurance companies do not pay for experimental treatments. And nobody is liable for any adverse effects, it's your duty, right?
Yup, and the one for shingles, and pneumonia, and the seasonal flu.
Fred, are you familiar with the term 'click bait'?
Dana, am I reading that correctly? According to your link if 7,000+ people died not vaccinated out of the 22,000 then that is about 34% death rate? Unless I’m reading wrong. That is absurd.
FDA panel voted to not approve the booster for age 16-65. Partially due to potential risks in young males. Dose 3 is the same recipe as dose 1 and 2. Stay sharp.
^.....I believe that was specific to Pfizer.
That is correct. Moderna and J&J hasn't been decided on yet.
Because Pfizer was approved by the FDA.
Does anyone know how the “experts” can tell the diff between variants? When I got tested the test just showed SARS Cov2...my Dr never mentioned anything about variants other than I’ll do everything to keep you out of the hospital. I am a USDA employee and was told by a very senior Wash DC Covid incident manager on a statewide meeting that what they are seeing is that natural immunity to covid does not stand up to the Delta variant. To which I commented according to the “experts” and “the science “ I likely just got the Delta so why are there no protocols to address those with natural immunity or antibodies? He simply said our exerts are telling us that the vaccine is far superior at preventing serious Covid infection than natural immunity. At which point there were more questions and the call had to be wrapped up due to time constraints!!! Can’t make this sh** up! Dont pizz on my boots and tell me it’s raining!!
Not sure how the test can differentiate between variants. Seems that SARS Cov2 has yet to be isolated.
How could “variants” be isolated from the original?
From JLs link "We need safety data for younger populations and we need to really know what the benefit is," Dr. Jeremy Faust
"So far we've got some reasonable data for older people, but I really think that there are too many questions on the younger populations," Faust added.
Kind of fits what I’ve said all along. Let the at risk take the shot. Let the healthy get to living again.
Andy brings up a couple of good questions......if someone gets the "D" and recovers.....do they have good natural immunity to the D? Also......the covid incident manager saying the vaccine is better than natural immunity goes against what has been advertised. That makes me wonder if he is peddling the Biden company line about making everyone get vaccinated....even if you've already got the built up immunity??
If natural immunity is ineffective against the variant it means one of two things. The varient is different enough to where an immune system can't recognize it, aka another cold corona virus, or whatever else the "experts" can conjure up...
HDE, do you get an annual 'flu' shot?