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#3 How Far, How Long, Mule Deer
Mule Deer
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Ambush 17-Nov-21
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t-roy 17-Nov-21
JohnMC 17-Nov-21
Ambush 17-Nov-21
Heat 17-Nov-21
Zbone 17-Nov-21
Jaquomo 17-Nov-21
JohnMC 17-Nov-21
cnelk 18-Nov-21
Corax_latrans 18-Nov-21
Nick Muche 18-Nov-21
Grey Ghost 18-Nov-21
Bowboy 18-Nov-21
DRR324 18-Nov-21
Southern draw 18-Nov-21
12yards 18-Nov-21
Scoot 18-Nov-21
bigeasygator 18-Nov-21
IdyllwildArcher 18-Nov-21
Grey Ghost 18-Nov-21
Jethro 18-Nov-21
Corax_latrans 18-Nov-21
bigeasygator 18-Nov-21
Rock 18-Nov-21
Grey Ghost 18-Nov-21
Ambush 18-Nov-21
Ambush 18-Nov-21
Ambush 18-Nov-21
Ambush 18-Nov-21
Bou'bound 18-Nov-21
Grey Ghost 18-Nov-21
12yards 19-Nov-21
Ambush 19-Nov-21
Ambush 19-Nov-21
LUNG$HOT 22-Nov-21
Kurt 22-Nov-21
redquebec 22-Nov-21
BULELK1 23-Nov-21
Mark Watkins 26-Nov-21
From: Ambush
17-Nov-21
I shot a buck this morning that I passed on a couple of days ago. He pushed his luck to far today. The scenario:

There were two does and two fawns being harassed by a fork. This buck came in and was just walking over to push the fork out.

Twenty eight yard shot, after I stopped him (twice actually) with a grunt, slightly quartering away.

Three blade, 1 1/2" NAP Spitfire mechanical. Complete pass through.

I thought the shot was a bit back, but still good.

All the other deer scattered and he bolted, turned 90 degrees and headed down into the gully and appeared again going up the other side.

I drowned my camera in a river crossing in October so all I have is phone pics. I'll post pics one at a time and hopefully some come out right side up.

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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The arrow. Those are white fletches
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The arrow. Those are white fletches

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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First few drops twenty feet from impact site
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First few drops twenty feet from impact site

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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Got a little better
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Got a little better

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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As good as it got. And not a lot more.
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As good as it got. And not a lot more.

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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Entrance.
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Entrance.

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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Exit.
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Exit.

From: t-roy
17-Nov-21
Not sure how far he went, but that’s a lot of pepperoni, right there!

From: JohnMC
17-Nov-21
We need to see the antlers to make a educated guess ;)

But I am going to say down the gully and up the other side and just a little bit further.

From: Ambush
17-Nov-21

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From: Heat
17-Nov-21
Great buck Rod! Congrats!

From: Zbone
17-Nov-21
CONGRATS Rod! Cool looking buck... Rack kinda looks like a blacktail?

From: Jaquomo
17-Nov-21
Great buck, Rod!!

From: JohnMC
17-Nov-21
Congrats great buck!

From: cnelk
18-Nov-21
50yds - 5min

Great job!

18-Nov-21
Spray on the snow (entrance side) looks like a sign of lung hit on the way in; blood looks pretty dark on the snow, so maybe a little bit of liver.

And the buck was evidently not moving very fast when he tipped over, so he maybe got far enough away to stop running, rather than passing out mid-stride.

Big, 3-blade mechanical probably did a lot of damage on the way through. Guessing rapid lung collapse. I’m just not sure how many lobes of which lung got clipped, and every individual is plumbed a little different, so depends on some dumb luck.

Gonna guess either 20 seconds & 80 yards, or 2 minutes and whatever amount of ground he covered before he tumbled to the fact that nothing was chasing him. Maybe 120 and stood there a minute?

Probably turn out at 2 hours.

From: Nick Muche
18-Nov-21
Awesome! Congrats!

From: Grey Ghost
18-Nov-21
Congrats Rod!

I'm gonna say he got to the top of the gully, looked around trying to figure out what happened, then toppled over. Total time elapsed after the shot was 30 seconds.

Matt

18-Nov-21
Looks like liver and rear of left lung. I’m going to guess 250 yds

Beautiful heavy racked deer. Congrats!!

From: Bowboy
18-Nov-21
Congrats. I love that rub brush on his antlers.

From: DRR324
18-Nov-21
Liver upon entrance, and rear left lung on exit. Based on your description of terrain, and that he bolted with the other deer, I'm guessing just over a 100 yards and was dead within 3-4 minutes. Great deer and love the bark in the burrs!

18-Nov-21
Congrats

From: 12yards
18-Nov-21
I hit mine similar but closer to the shoulder. Mine went 140 yards-ish. So I'll say he went 165 yards.

From: Scoot
18-Nov-21
94 yards and 49 seconds. Congrats Rod!

From: bigeasygator
18-Nov-21
Looks almost identical to where I shot my blacktail this year. You got great blood, whereas I almost had none. I should've done a full autopsy, but based on the arrow smell, how long he went, and how long he stayed alive, I believe I caught stomach and liver and may have just clipped the lungs. My deer went 300 yards and was alive for about an hour and a half before I was able to get another arrow in him.

18-Nov-21
That spot can be all over the radar. You can get very little lung there and all diaphragm/stomach, sliding under the liver. It all depends on if you actually get the back of both lungs for a double pneumothorax and if you slide under the liver and don't get one of it's bigger vessels.

I've hit deer there that went down in under 100 yards, but one doe I hit there was still alive hours later.

From: Grey Ghost
18-Nov-21
The entrance wound looks well forward of the diaphragm to me. It looks like a solid chest cavity hit, with an even better exit location. Dang those northern mulies have some thick hide/hair compared to the mulies around here.

Matt

From: Jethro
18-Nov-21
150 yard death run. Found him just past where you last saw him.

18-Nov-21
“ That spot can be all over the radar. You can get very little lung there and all diaphragm/stomach, sliding under the liver.”

Get that far back and it kind of depends on whether he’s on the inhale or the exhale, eh?

I’ve seen guys state that slashing the diaphragm allows the contents of the abdominal cavity to intrude on the thoracic… guess that makes sense…

Would that be a hepatothorax?? ;)

Seems like that would cause a pretty severe shortness of breath….

From: bigeasygator
18-Nov-21

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A pic of the deer I mentioned skinned out. The back hole circled in red is the exit hole from my initial shot. He was standing broadside so the entrance hole is essentially exactly opposite. The second hole in green was the follow up arrow. As mentioned, this deer was still very much alive an hour later and hardly bled externally. The arrow was coated in bright red blood but had a sour smell to it. I drew where I think the lungs might have been when I took the shot to show how I could’ve missed them. I also recognize it’s a skinned out deer hanging upside down so often times things get distorted, but it’s probably the best pic I have.

From: Rock
18-Nov-21
Congrads, Rod nice buck, looks cold up there.

From: Grey Ghost
18-Nov-21

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BEG, I think you underestimate the size of a mule deer's chest cavity. Perhaps blacktails are built differently.

Here's where I think Rod's buck was hit. Green is entrance, blue is exit.

Matt

From: Ambush
18-Nov-21

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The entrance broke the fourth rib from the back.
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The entrance broke the fourth rib from the back.
Well, we have some pretty darn good guesser’s, with a couple being spot on.

The buck bounded about fifteen yards steep down hill, about ten yards across the flat, then about fifteen yards up the steep hill. He stopped, wobbled a bit then started down hill trying hard to keep his feet. This took about thirty seconds from shot to disappearing back into the gulley, out of sight. I was probably another minute getting to the edge to see him. He was down. I could see no sign of life.

From: Ambush
18-Nov-21

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The exit was between the seventh and eighth rib.
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The exit was between the seventh and eighth rib.

From: Ambush
18-Nov-21

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Very little blood on the ground because it was all inside. I’m guessing he was exhaled at the shot which allowed the cavity to fill with blood. One lung had a deep four inch slash and the other an X through it. No other organs were hit.

From: Ambush
18-Nov-21

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From: Bou'bound
18-Nov-21
77

From: Grey Ghost
18-Nov-21
Winner winner chicken dinner! ;-).

Thanks for continuing the HF/HL challenge.

Matt

19-Nov-21
Thanks Ambush. This is a fun game. Even though I was way off.

From: 12yards
19-Nov-21
So do we have to do the math? Or how far was it? LOL.

From: Ambush
19-Nov-21
^ ^ ^ About forty yards under his own steam and about fifteen yards of "involuntary' down hill scrambling. So fifty five yards total from impact site to end of run. About ninety seconds.

From: Ambush
19-Nov-21
The Double Post Ghost is at it again. Is there no way to fix that issue?

From: LUNG$HOT
22-Nov-21
^^The “Double Post” ghost of TBM! ;-)

Congrats on a great buck and short blood trail. I would have guessed liver on entry and lung on exit with a fairly long track. Nice job.

From: Kurt
22-Nov-21
Good buck, good shot, short trail and lots to eat! Way to go Rod!!! Spitfire scores another, with the typical pass-thru!

From: redquebec
22-Nov-21
It might just be the picture, but those lungs look really big compared a big whitetail I just field dressed last week. Congratulations, that a great animal.

From: BULELK1
23-Nov-21
Dang nice Buck and write up

Thanks for sharing,

Robb

From: Mark Watkins
26-Nov-21
Huge congrats Rod!!!

Great story!

Mark

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