B&C weighs in on 'tech'
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Contributors to this thread:
DanaC 08-Jan-22
Bou'bound 08-Jan-22
Al Dente Laptop 08-Jan-22
Missouribreaks 08-Jan-22
Old Bow 08-Jan-22
Jaquomo 08-Jan-22
Screwball 08-Jan-22
Grey Ghost 08-Jan-22
JL 08-Jan-22
timberdoodle 08-Jan-22
Dale06 08-Jan-22
Dale06 08-Jan-22
BC173 08-Jan-22
Missouribreaks 08-Jan-22
Gunner GSP 08-Jan-22
Jaquomo 08-Jan-22
Whatthefoc 08-Jan-22
jdan 08-Jan-22
Gunner GSP 08-Jan-22
BC173 08-Jan-22
Whatthefoc 08-Jan-22
DanaC 08-Jan-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 08-Jan-22
Bob H in NH 08-Jan-22
JL 08-Jan-22
Jaquomo 08-Jan-22
jdan 08-Jan-22
Bou'bound 09-Jan-22
JSW 09-Jan-22
groundhunter50 09-Jan-22
Missouribreaks 09-Jan-22
keepemsharp 09-Jan-22
Scoot 09-Jan-22
No Mercy 09-Jan-22
Thumb bow7 09-Jan-22
deerhunter72 09-Jan-22
deerhunter72 10-Jan-22
tobywon 10-Jan-22
Pete-pec 10-Jan-22
From: DanaC
08-Jan-22

DanaC's Link
"Boone and Crockett Says the Use of Smart Riflescopes, GPS-Enabled Tech, and Trail Cams That Transmit Images In Real Time Isn’t Fair Chase"

From: Bou'bound
08-Jan-22
They are right

08-Jan-22
Glad to hear that news

08-Jan-22
Not sure their opinion really matters to the masses.

From: Old Bow
08-Jan-22
Missouri. You are correct

From: Jaquomo
08-Jan-22
Rangefinding sights too.

If P&Y adopts these rules it will create a whole new class of liars.

From: Screwball
08-Jan-22
Totally agree, wish more were in this but it unfortunately is all about the inches and pictures.

08-Jan-22
On the cells I use it is easy enough to set a time delay.

I do use my cell phone on stand to see any pending wind direction changes, would this not be considered fair chase?

Private groups influencing this is better than government IMO.

From: Grey Ghost
08-Jan-22
Good for B&C.

Matt

From: JL
08-Jan-22
"Not sure their opinion really matters to the masses."

"If P&Y adopts these rules it will create a whole new class of liars."

^....Yup X2. I always wondered how many P&Y entries in the past had lighted sites on their bows?

From: timberdoodle
08-Jan-22
Good step on their part.

From: Dale06
08-Jan-22
B&C and P&Y are fine organizations. But they do not influence how I hunt. I do hunt legally though.

From: Dale06
08-Jan-22
Duplicate, sorry

From: BC173
08-Jan-22
And let’s not forget about all the crossbow kills submitted under accepted archery equipment pretense’s. Yep, a new class of liars.

08-Jan-22
Lots of truth in the above comments.

From: Gunner GSP
08-Jan-22
BC173.. I would like to see all these kills with compounds taken off the list. As a traditional hunter I feel you are cheating just like a crossbow

From: Jaquomo
08-Jan-22
Gunner, P&Y publishes a Traditional Only record book. Since most of my biggest animals were taken with a longbow, I'd like to see all the recurve kills marked with an asterisk..

From: Whatthefoc
08-Jan-22
A guy named Gunner GPS would have the most to lose :)

From: jdan
08-Jan-22
I hit a 160” buck with my truck, is there a book for that??

From: Gunner GSP
08-Jan-22
Well.. Whatthefoc.. who is GunnerGPS?

Reading is hard for Some I guess

From: BC173
08-Jan-22
Thanks for the response Gunner GSP, I’m always trying to keep the ignorant informed.

From: Whatthefoc
08-Jan-22
Sorry GSP. U were awesome in the UFC.

From: DanaC
08-Jan-22
I thought he ran German Shorthair Pointers ;-)

08-Jan-22
Lou (Jaquomo) I thought that range finding sights were already a no go for P&Y???

From: Bob H in NH
08-Jan-22
Does GPS enabled Tech include GPS for navigation, OnX etc?

From: JL
08-Jan-22
^......great thought about OnX being "unethical". That would be funny......

From: Jaquomo
08-Jan-22
MA-PA they are. But range finding scopes were previously allowed by B&C.

How about the GPS enabled binos from Swaro? You can click on an object you're glassing, which puts a GPS pin on your phone that you can text to your buddy who is stalking the animal. Cool, eh?!

From: jdan
08-Jan-22
I hit a 160” buck with my truck, is there a book for that??

From: Bou'bound
09-Jan-22
No but there is an actuarial table and it will cost you

From: JSW
09-Jan-22
Technology is a huge concern for all hunters.

#1 I don't think B&C has ever allowed range finding scopes. If they did, it was long ago.

Each and every one of us need to decide what we are willing to do to be successful. We, most of us anyway, hunt with a bow because we want it to be more challenging. Then we turn right around cut every corner and take every advantage to fill a tag. There will always be a line in the sand, always. Where is that line for you, for your state and for B&C and P&Y. Fortunately, both organizations are very closely aligned when it comes to fair chase and tech. When I state "not fair chase" below, I'm referring to P&Y and B&C's fair chase policy.

Range finding sights are generally legal but not fair chase.

Baiting for deer is often illegal but is considered fair chase as long as it is done legally. I would personally like to see this changed but I never proposed it as a fair chase policy change.

Cellular cameras are fair chase unless you use them to put you directly in front of a deer on a given day.

Using phones or radios to direct the hunter into a trophy is sometimes legal but not fair chase.

At this point, P&Y has a really easy to understand policy as it relates to most technology. No electronics on the bow or arrow, with the exception of lighted nocks and bow mounted cameras.

You can not use electronics to guide you into the animal. This is a real gray area. Use OnX or gps to mark the spot that you think the sheep is bedding, walk 2 miles to get around it and then walk right to the spot by using this tech, that violates the rule of not using electronics to guide you into your trophy. Does it happen and still end up in the books. Almost certainly. Is it legal, most likely but not fair chase.

We have to police ourselves. We are bowhunters, it's supposed to be harder. There are plenty of things that are allowed, that I support being allowed by P&Y that I personally don't consider fair chase. I will not bait deer. I will not use cellular trail cameras, even though I encouraged B&C to soften their policy on them. I will not use electronics to guide me into an animal. Bowhunters personal ethics should be more stringent than most state laws.

FYI, you can kill a big buck with your truck and if you legally possess the rack, it can be entered in B&C. They are all about the statistics and less about the method. They do insist that it be legally possessed.

09-Jan-22
Gunner for what its worth, and I love trad bows, archery would not be as prevelant as it is today, or the growth of archery, as a sport, without the compound bow, that is a fact.

I respect B&C and P&Y, and the original intentions were noble, but along time ago, it became about the hunter, and not the honor of the animal,,,,,,,,,

09-Jan-22
The growth of archery also helped cause massive point creep, APR's, quota seasons, and limited draws. Take the bad with the good.

From: keepemsharp
09-Jan-22
Jim: you are right, we have to police ourselves. Character is what we do when we are alone.

From: Scoot
09-Jan-22
Gunner, I hunt by throwing rocks and I think longbows are for pussies! I also think "hunters" who work towards hunter division, rather than unity, simply don't get it.

From: No Mercy
09-Jan-22
Scoot! Rocks are for pussies! I use a dull spoon and only hunt in a loincloth and only when it’s below 32 degrees.

From: Thumb bow7
09-Jan-22
It wouldn't bother me one bit if there wasn't a p&y or b&c.!

From: deerhunter72
09-Jan-22
Technology has greatly advanced how we function in almost every aspect of life. Stands to reason that tech effects hunting. Each hunter has to determine for themselves what kind of tech they will use or not. What B&C and P&Y dictate will have no effect on how I hunt but I understand why they feel the need to draw some lines in the sand.

And as always, we are our own worst enemies with the nonstop bashing against each other.

From: deerhunter72
10-Jan-22
Double post

From: tobywon
10-Jan-22
No Mercy, now that’s unethical, you should at least sharpen that spoon :)

From: Pete-pec
10-Jan-22
Deerhunter72. I agree with your sentiment.

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