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Anyways last week the cdc gave approval guidelines for hospital workers who are positive for COVID but have mild symptoms to return to work as long as they are vaccinated.

So under the current system. No Vaccine you are immediately fired. But at the same time if you have the vaccine and are positive and have symptoms you are good to work if you follow the masking and PPE.

Do they really think we are that stupid? I mean there are a few here that seem to be dumb enough to fail for it, but I can’t imagine any of this being tolerated much longer.

Luckily we live in a state that is during over the CMS mandate and for now my wife is not forced to decide.

D

Now, the CDC director has finally admitted, yesterday, that 75% of the vaxxed that died with COVID, had at least 4, that's right 4, comorbidities. Still can't get a straight answer though as to how many died FROM it, as to WITH it. Originally, when they published a stat on their website in 2020, the number was 6% died FROM it, and the other 94% that DIED , had 2.6 underlying comorbidities.

Knock, Knock

Who's there?

Lenin

Lenin who?

Lenin me in, I'm here for your freedoms!

I have even been cancelled off of Bowsite in the last year and a half for even mentioning some of those statistics from the CDC VAERS and only asking that people take a look and judge for themselves….

Now the head of the CDC actually admits it on one of the MSM News shows? Shame on her!

Amazing how they continually move the goalposts! : (

Those soccer moms wont make that mistake again. They all lost their jobs when there kids were at home all year. Nothe they go back to school and she goes back to work and they send junior back home and close school again.

Yeah, folks are done with Jobummer bigtime.

D

What was it before for you? Is this not lowering the goalposts (ie, making things less restrictive)? If so, why is this a bad thing?

What was it before for you? Is this not lowering the goalposts (ie, making things less restrictive)? If so, why is this a bad thing?

Before it was isolate for 14 days, then can return with negative test.

Somewhere around 12/28 it became (IF VAXED AND BOOSTED) return to work whether positive or negative IF ASYMPTOMATIC after 5 days- IF VAXED but NOT boosted, then return after 5 days if Asymptomatic WITH a negative test- if NOT vaxed, then return to work after 7 days WITH a negative test.

Sometime after Jan 3rd it changed to the latest protocol.

It IS a bad thing because it shows those in authority have NO CLUE and just throws everyone into a state of confusion trying to decipher the constantly changing and conflicting guidelines! : (

The one true and real thing is, within the next two years, everyone person alive and walking the planet (not isolated in a rain forest or any kind of a hermit) will most absolutely and undeniably come in contact with SARS-2 or one of its variants. Simple and true fact. Even the wise Tony-wan-Faunobi will attest to that...

I wouldn't say they have "no clue." I think they are trying to balance a number of often conflicting priorities - managing the impact on our healthcare institutions, minimizing the disruption to the economy, etc - and constantly trying to balance the risk, rewards, and costs of various recommendations.

Scientifically speaking, the current recommendations from the CDC don't really make a whole lot of sense. But personally I think they are borne of a place of trying to control the pace at which the disease spreads, but not as much in the past as this variant seems to be less severe but more transmissible (which could wreak havoc on the economy if the old guidelines stayed in place given the case count). Again, it's a balancing act and I don't think it's an easy one.

I think the current guidance is a step closer to "normalcy" which to me is a step to be celebrated with respect to putting the worst of the pandemic behind us. I hope I'm not counting my chickens before they're hatched, but I'm cautiously optimistic. My only concern is that while far less severe in terms of outcomes, this variant appears way more transmissible. In other words (and these are made up numbers for illustration only), if I have virus A that infects 20% of the population and makes 25% of those people really sick (ie, 5% of the population gets really sick), it's still "better" than virus B that infects 80% of the population but "only" gets 10% of the population really sick. At the end of the day, virus B would make almost 2X the number of people really sick as virus A would.

Severe illness and death will lag case counts and hospitalizations, so that still remains to be seen with what we get out of Omicron, but so far so good and we continue to add tools to the toolbox to deal with this - which is why I'd hope we'll see more and more revised guidance from the likes of the CDC that takes us closer and closer to a place of "back to normal."

I also heard something else today that I hadn't necessarily thought of before. The CDC typically does not have to deal with the public directly. Pre-pandemic, CDC guidelines and recommendations were funneled through the various healthcare providers and local governing bodies and that is how they've been structured to operate. The pandemic has put them front and center in the spotlight with the public and they clearly were not equipped to operate in this manner, and it has definitely eroded the trust of these institutions. It will be interesting to see what they do to adapt based on the pandemic - do they go the route of staying in the shadows and providing guidance but leaving it more up to local authorities, agencies, and healthcare providers to serve as the public face of the healthcare crisis? Or do they alter their make-up and approach to be better equipped to respond in a public way to the next national healthcare emergency?

So an infected asymptomatic nurse can give the virus to someone with serious health issues and kill them and that's ok now?

Meanwhile their guidelines seem to change about every week now, and it is obvious to anyone paying attention that they are just making %$#@ up as they go along now...........................

The good news is that apparently we have reached the point that the latest variants have mutated to a point that most folks will not have serious affects from it and the death toll will continue to plummet.

At this point we need to start getting back to normal life and forget about these rediculous mandates and restrictions which by now will do little to protect people or curb the spread!

My Wife is one of them (Critical Care Nurse). She was forced to get the vaccine in the first place (she already had Covid), now she has to get the booster, or lose her job.

I can happily say I had no part, in voting for this kind of bulls***

Is that article in a local paper, Jaq? I'd like to read it.

I can see this decision being made more and more. With the case counts as high as they are, it really has the potential to impact staffing (healthcare or otherwise). I think this was a big part of the CDC's motivation to reduce the isolation time with the latest wave.

As a healthcare provider, I can absolutely see making this choice. Do I leave my staff shorthanded and potentially put a big swath of the public seeking treatment unrelated to COVID at risk? Or do I take the chance and bring potentially transmissible staff back to deal with the increased healthcare demand knowing that vaccines are highly effective at preventing the most severe healthcare outcomes and are the most effective way to manage COVID risk? Essentially it's putting the risk back on the public - if you feel you're at risk and exposed, get vaccinated because there's a high likelihood you're going to be exposed and or infected. Again, with the tools we have now to manage COVID I could easily see taking that choice. But I'm curious what the article says.

That was only in the vaccinated population, FYI. The statement that was made is that 75% of the people who died while fully vaccinated had four or more comorbidities, again showing how effective the vaccine is at preventing significant illness and death.

Lo and behold, he contracted Covid last Wednesday and is still too sick to return to work today. He said it has kicked his ass like no other sickness he's ever had. I'm sure he'll be fine. But, when I see him again, you can bet I'm going to make him eat a little humble pie.

Matt

We both tested positive last week and have been isolating per the CDC guidelines. We only knew we had it because we chose to get tested after being in close contact with a number of positive cases over New Year's. We had no symptoms, so the tests were an effort to see to what level we should isolate. I took an at home test that came back negative, she took one that came back positive and we followed that up immediately that day with a PCR test that later came back positive for both of us.

My nose got slightly runny for a day or two during our isolation period. Same with my wife. That was the extent of our symptoms. I know others who tested positive who were hit with much worse symptoms. How much did our vax status play a part in keeping symptoms mild? No way to tell with any certainty, but I'm of the mindset that it certainly didn't hurt. In fact, while positive, I went outside for runs of 4 and 5 miles over the last week and had no issues.

Anyways, now I've got the super-immunity (triple vaxed plus natural) so I'm pretty much a super hero now as far as I'm concerned.

That may be as long as you don't take up soccer playing.

There are still 50M-60M American adults who remain unvaccinated because they have bought into propaganda or are making a political statement through a healthcare decision, so can you blame them?

"Well Brotsky, here's my experience. I am not vaccinated. I got the virus in September. When I found out that I was exposed to someone who had it, I started taking Ivermectin, vitamin C, D and zinc. I had basically a mild cold. I knew I had it was because I lost my sense of smell and taste for awhile and had an off and on fever. I've also heard of fully vaccinated people who were hit hard so there is no way you can say that the vaccine made the symptoms more mild because there is no way you could know."

No one knows if the vax would help on an individual basis, but the statistics are very clear that the vast majority of people who are getting hospitalized and dying from COVID are unvaccinated even though they are in the minority. This has been the case for months.

The vaccines were never intended to keep people from becoming infected with COVID, the initial study design was to measure protection against severe disease and the EUA's were granted on that basis. They did protect against infection from the original strain (and unfortunately too much emphasis was placed on this by some healthcare experts), but we started to see breakthrough infections with Delta and much more frequently with Omicron. IMO people who continue to be critical of the vaccines for failing to do something they were not designed at this point are willfully uninformed as they continue to stare at the wrong goalpost.

You're probably right, but you'd need to know this guy. I love him, but he can be the most arrogant, stubborn, pig-headed guy alive at times. I think a bit of humble pie will do him good.

Matt

Soooo, Natural Immunity is now "Propaganda"? Covid Survivors make up the Lion's share of the 60 Million you speak of.

Follow the Science, right?

So, you are implying that natural immunity is providing good protection to the ~20% of the US adult population that is comprising ~90% of the COVID deaths? I'll let you marinate on that one.

And here all along I thought I was a super hero because I remain un-vaxed and Covid-free. LOL!

I just got a call from my wife who was on her way to a dentist appointment. The dentist office called her to cancel her appointment because the majority of the staff have contracted Covid in the last few days. I'm starting to realize that my Covid-free status is tenuous at best. I may have to re-think my vaccine status.

Matt

Not disagreeing, but do you have a source that confirms this?

Matt"

seems strange when youve said you havent been vaccinated yourself. what will it take to convince you?

Yeah, this variant is a monster from a transmissibility perspective. Granted, we were in situations that would be deemed a higher risk of infection over the holidays - gathering with family and friends for Christmas Eve Eve, Christmas Eve, and Christmas plus a pub crawl and wedding on New Year's Eve Eve and New Year's Eve. With that said, these types of things haven't been unique for us (ie, we've certainly been in plenty of other social settings over the last year and a half), but this was our first infection. Just look at the rate of increase in current case counts - it's an order of magnitude higher than what went on with Alpha and Delta.

Compounds found in hemp "show the ability to prevent the virus that causes COVID-19 from entering human cells," Oregon State University says.

I just need to swallow my own pride and considerable ego. I'm the guy who likes to brag about never getting sick. My last minor cold was over 5 years ago after I was on a plane with several obviouslly sick passengers who were constantly coughing, sneezing, and blowing their noses. I don't even recall the last time I was sick before that.

It's fun to think you're bullet-proof until you're not, I guess.

Matt

"Worldometer" lists 42,585,726 recovered in the U.S. (see link)

if you are assuming that all the people that recovered from covid did not also get vaccinated, that would be a mistake. almost everyone i know that got covid in 2020 also got the vaccination.

Matt

And it doesn’t say how many were vaxed or unvaxed. Asking again for a breakdown of cases by vaccination status. You made a statement (which may or may not be true) for which I’ve seen no data to back it up.

If you are assuming that the number on Worldometer is the ACTUAL number of recovered Covid people in the U.S....THAT would be a mistake!

Common sense dictates that Millions have already had it that didn't make the chart, many of them not even realizing they had it.

While that data does not indicate what you indicate, it still doesn't explain why the unvaccinated are dying ~9x as often as the vaccinated while they only represent ~20% of the population. There is still at least one more hole in your theory.

and a large number of those have also been vaccinated.

The only large scale study I have seen in the U.S., (on the CDC Website...10 million patients), shows no more than 4x the death rate, maximum, in unvaccinated vs vaccinated. Where are you getting your numbers, from Justice Sotomayer?

Also, it's impossible to tell whether the "unvaccinated" already had Covid, or not. So it could be mostly "non-Covid Survivors" making up the bulk of those deaths.

Also, in the 17 and under age group from that study, there was no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths...but, only 12 individuals died during the Study period in that age group.

Follow the Science, right?

So, just for clarity, you made a statement with no data backing it up, nor have you provided a better data set than the ones that are generally available (which make some account for cases that go unreported). That is certainly not following the science.

But furthermore, even if we try and make sense of your statement that the majority of unvaccinated individuals have natural immunity, it only shows how effective vaccines have been at preventing disease and that they are far more effective than going the "natural route."

I don't know what you call a "lion's share" of the 60 million unvaccinated adults (I think it's actually closer to 70 million unvaccinated individuals 18 years or older), but I'd say that's something like 40 million unvaccinated individuals having COVID and gaining natural immunity as you claim they did. Seeing as we've had 60 million COVID cases reported in this country, unvaccinated individuals would account for 67% of the cases.

Put another way, the rate of COVID disease would be 20 million cases out of the 189 adults fully vaccinated, or about 11%.

The rate of COVID in unvaccinated adults would be 40 million in 60 million, or 67%.

Plus, there are plenty of people who were sick with Alpha or Delta now getting sick with Omicron and prior natural immunity doesn't seem to be much different than vaccine acquired immunity.

Excerpts from a study conducted in the liberal hotbed of Texas: "(From September 4 through October 1, 2021) - Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people."

"Vaccination had a strong protective effect on infections and deaths among people of all ages. The protective impact on infections was consistent across adult age groups and even greater in people ages 12 to 17 years. The protective impact on COVID-19 deaths, which was high for all age groups, varied more widely. In the September time frame, unvaccinated people in their 40s were 55 times more likely to die from COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated people of the same age. Unvaccinated people aged 75 years and older were 12 times more likely to die than their vaccinated counterparts."

link?

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

Bingo! Time to stop blaming the "unvaccinated" for Covid 19 (Which unfortunately includes many people with Natural Immunity)...everybody is getting it, and spreading it.

Matt

If your not vaccinated now then why even get it? Doctors all over are saying Omicron is a damn cold. I went two years no vaccine and this is said to end probably in March with a possible cold why get it now? And why is Biden going forward with the damn mandate for a virus that is a common cold? Doesn’t make sense

Couldn’t agree more Spike!

Why is Biden going ahead with the mandates? Because they will NEVER admit they were WRONG ...............and COMMON SENSE has nothing to do with it! : (

Just got this “public service message” in our VA Employee weekly newsletter ..................they are STILL pushing the propaganda even when it’s becoming obvious it’s a load of B. S.!

Matt, I threw that link in there for "Ricky the Cable Guy"...since he asked for it.

Are you suggesting that data collected up to July 21st, 2021 isn't relevant for addressing a claim regarding a variant that was not discovered until November 2021? You are disrupting the echo chamber. For shame....

all to get the shots that are questionable at best

Can you share the link to the CDC data which supports that as I have not seen it? From what I *have* seen (vaccination status aside), age is the most significant factor with as high as 81% of US COVID deaths having been to those 65 or older (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html). I have seen CDC numbers as high as 78% for obesity, although that stat is almost a year old and predates the widespread deployment of vaccines. Recent commentary I read puts obesity behind age as a risk factor.

Recent numbers that I have seen on US COVID deaths tend to be localized (by hospital/hospital system and not CDC data, but fairly consistent across the US) and suggest that between 85%-90% of people who have been dying in the US are unvaccinated. With this, the risk % for being unvaccinated appears to be higher than for both advanced age and obesity but I have not found comparative data within a single data set.

One other thing that is significant and gets overlooked when simply looking at relative risk factors is that there are almost 2x the number of obese Americans (~42% of the population, https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html) than unvaccinated Americans (~25% of the population, https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/). And yet it appears the unvaccinated represent almost 90% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths. Viewed through that lense, I find it almost impossible to believe that obesity could present a greater risk than being unvaccinated.

"The only large scale study I have seen in the U.S., (on the CDC Website...10 million patients), shows no more than 4x the death rate, maximum, in unvaccinated vs vaccinated."

sorry but that link has nothing to do with what you said...it's not even about covid-19 deaths.

Apparently, you do not understand how to read and/or interpret data:

The cohort consisted of 6.4 million COVID-19 vaccinees and 4.6 million unvaccinated persons with similar characteristics as the comparison groups. Among 3.5 million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients, 9.2% were aged 12–17 years, 69.4% were aged 18–64 years, 54.0% were female, 42.7% were White persons, 21.4% were Hispanic persons, 16.6% were Asian persons, and 5.1% were Black persons (Table 1). Among 2.6 million Moderna vaccine recipients, 71.7% were aged 18–64 years, 54.5% were female, 44.2% were White persons, 23.1% were Hispanic persons, 14.2% were Asian persons, and 5.6% were Black persons. Among 342,169 Janssen vaccine recipients, 87.5% were aged 18–64 years, 4.1% were aged ?75 years, 48.0% were female, 45.1% were White persons, 20.3% were Hispanic persons, 13.4% were Asian persons, and 6.1% were Black persons.

After excluding COVID-19–associated deaths, overall SMRs after dose 1 were 0.42 and 0.37 per 100 person-years for Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, respectively, and were 0.35 and 0.34, respectively, after dose 2 (Table 2). These rates were lower than the rate of 1.11 per 100 person-years among the unvaccinated mRNA vaccine comparison group (p <0.001). Among Janssen vaccine recipients, the overall SMR was 0.84 per 100 person-years, lower than the rate of 1.47 per 100 person-years among the unvaccinated comparison group (p <0.001). Among persons aged 12–17 years, SMRs were similar among the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients and unvaccinated comparison groups (p = 0.68 after dose 1 and 0.89 after dose 2). SMRs were also similar between Janssen vaccine recipients and unvaccinated comparison groups among Asian persons (p = 0.11). Among other subgroups defined by vaccine received, age, sex, and race and ethnicity, COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower SMRs than did their unvaccinated counterparts (p <0.05).

The overall aRR among Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients compared with the unvaccinated comparison group was 0.41 (95% CI = 0.38–0.44) after dose 1 and 0.34 (95% CI = 0.33–0.36) after dose 2 (Table 3). Among Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients aged 12–17 years, mortality risk among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons was similar after dose 1 (aRR = 0.85; 95% CI = 0.38–1.90) and after dose 2 (aRR = 0.73; 95% CI = 0.33–1.64). Among other age groups, aRRs ranged from 0.35 (95% CI = 0.29–0.42) among persons aged 45–64 years to 0.46 (95% CI = 0.39–0.54) among persons aged ?85 years after dose 1, and from 0.28 (95% CI = 0.25–0.31) among persons aged 45–64 years to 0.39 (95% CI = 0.36–0.43) among those aged ?85 years after dose 2. Similar aRRs among vaccinated persons compared with the unvaccinated comparison group were observed for recipients of the Moderna vaccine, ranging from 0.31 (95% CI = 0.26–0.37) among persons aged 45–64 years to 0.46 (95% CI = 0.31–0.69) among persons aged 18–44 years after dose 1, and 0.28 (95% CI = 0.26–0.32) among persons aged 65–74 years to 0.38 (95% CI = 0.29–0.50) among those aged 18–44 years after dose 2. The overall aRR for Janssen was 0.54 (95% CI = 0.49–0.59), and age-stratified aRRs ranged from 0.40 (95% CI = 0.34–0.49) among persons aged 45–64 years to 0.68 (95% CI = 0.56–0.82) among persons aged ?85 years. Across vaccine type and dose, males and females had comparable aRRs. All vaccinated racial and ethnic groups had lower mortality risks than did unvaccinated comparison groups.

So for the record keeping, in this thread, elkmnt has agreed that natural immunity is no better than vaccine acquired immunity and that you are less likely to die of anything non-COVID related being vaccinated vs. being unvaccinated.

Orion, the connotation is that only obese people can die from it. BMI isn't necessarily accurate. Obese people have a tendency to have other ailments and that is the inherent problem. Not the additional fat cells...

I do love irony.

Matt

i do...but apparently you are having a tough time with it.

the study you posted compares NON covid-19 deaths between vaccinated and non vaccinated people. It says so right in the title of the study.

COVID-19 Vaccination and Non–COVID-19 Mortality Risk — Seven Integrated Health Care Organizations, United States, December 14, 2020–July 31, 2021

again, it has nothing whatsoever do do with comparing covid-19 deaths in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. it is a study designed to see if there is excess mortality due to the covid-19 vaccines, not due to covid-19.

Look at it from the bright side, at least his "2 + 2 = orange" attempt validates the thread title...

everyone should make their own choice but they should make it based on factual data, not some bs someone totally misread...and then posted it as if it was fact.

I was probably juggling 3 patients at the time, but that's no excuse. My sincere apologies to you, Rick, Matt, or anyone else I might have rubbed the wrong way.

the data shows that you are between 14 and 20 times more likely to die from covid-19 if you are unvaccinated than if you are fully vaccinated with a booster. it should be everyones individual choice to get vaccinated or not...choose wisely and choose based on facts.

One in the camera, two injected in each stress room. We run like that all day, keep the camera fed. PC is next to the Nuclear Camera, so I have a little down time, in between transition (when I'm not typing up reports). I type 60 WPM, for what that's worth.

Obese people also tend to eat terrible and spend excessive amounts of time on their duff. That creates a poor immune system and poor lungs. The people I know that supposedly died of it were men that were 40+ and maybe 60+ pounds overweight. One was in his 30s and extremely obese.

A poor immune system for a lot of people is stress. Americans likely have more stress in their lives than any other nationality, per se. Americans as a whole also work more hours than any other nationality...

correct.

Matt

see, that sounds scary doesn't it ?

until a person googles it and finds out that yes, Jean Ramirez has died at 28 years old, former baseball player, and he died UNEXPECTEDLY

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/rays-bullpen-catcher-jean-ramirez-dies-unexpectedly-28-82227064

oh and ... he was vaccinated https://twitter.com/truthp0st/status/1481089578022977536

so all the misinformation Democrats try to spread and all the fear mongering .... .can we actually NOT do that ?

And numbers also show that 75% of the population of MA is vaccinated.

So 25% of the population is accounting for over 50% of the hospitalizations.

The disparity is even more alarming when you look at ICU cases and deaths. There, the 25% of the MA population that is unvaccinated accounts for 75-80% of the ICU cases and deaths.

Not if the majority of people getting COVID are unvaccinated. Need to look at more than the mortality rate.

Depends on the data set. If it's a new data set, then yes, the 1.3 could be the unvaccinated. If it's a continuation, then the vaccine's effectiveness is so-so...

Exactly. In the context of vaccine effectiveness, 1.6% vs. 1.3% means nothing if you're not looking at the timeframe in question (which variant was circulating) and you're not looking at a breakdown of which populations are getting sick and dying, and what rate they're doing so. 1.3% mortality simply means that 1.3% of the people that get COVID die. If the unvaxed make up a disproportionate percentage of those getting sick and ultimately dying, you wouldn't expect to necessarily see a change in the mortality rate as everyone was in the unvaxed category prior to vaccine rollout.

I know of a few guys in one family in the hospital now where they contracted Covid during a wedding. Healthy guys otherwise, but one on a ventilator and the other on just oxygen. Reality can bite hard for some. Rough times for that family.

The linked article indicates that the US CFR was as high as 6.25% at the height of the first wave in 2020 (pre-vaccine), that it was 1.6% from Aug. 2021(by which time the US vaccination rate was ~50%) to Dec., and that it declined to 1.5% or less in January 2022 (US vaccination rate of ~62%). It sounds as though the decrease *to* the 1.6% level was driven in large part by vaccinations. You throw in the slowing rate of vaccination in 2H21 and the decline of vaccine effectiveness over time/need for boosters to get substantial protection from Omicron, I don't think one can really make any claims about where they think the CFR should be or that where it stands is an indictment of vaccine effectiveness. "The raging Omicron variant has pushed COVID-19 cases to record highs in the U.S., but America's case fatality rate has dipped to 1.39 percent, its lowest mark since the first wave of cases struck in March 2020.

The U.S. mortality rate hovered around 1.6 percent from the end of August until mid-December when it started to drop. The highly infectious Omicron has milder disease properties and the widespread use of vaccines has so far prevented deaths from spiking out of control.

On Jan. 1, America's case fatality ratio dropped below 1.5 percent for the first time since the start of the pandemic. At the height of the first wave, the case fatality ratio stood at 6.25 percent, according to Our World In Data, a scientific publication maintained by the University of Oxford."

For that, there is other data available. One needs only to look at the deaths by vaccination status being reported to get a better sense of the vaccine effectiveness. The unvaccinated are dying at a rate that is roughly six to seven times higher than the vaccinated are.

Maybe people will take Covid more serious now. Forget about the vaccine, pass the Viagra!

https://www.foxnews.com/health/man-claims-covid-19-made-his-penis-shrink?fbclid=IwAR1R1TD4VhW_AI01fWNLX8ljVBnfb9Y3ih-6DiPRE05AvOa0tiAUK8pVxck