Roe-I predict an epic meltdown if true..
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From: Bowfreak
02-May-22

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There is a leaked draft majority opinion obtained by Politico stating SCOTUS has overturned Roe.

If true..... finally a shred of sanity, morality and decemcy.

From: Michael
02-May-22
If this is true. We haven’t seen crazy from the left yet. But we will.

From: Bowfreak
02-May-22
Tuning in to MSNBC now for the first time in my life.

From: Michael
02-May-22
^^^. Good luck

From: Bearman
02-May-22
Aint heard anything on it?

From: RK
02-May-22
Back to the States as it should be

From: speedgoat
02-May-22
This would be a real “hold my beer” moment for the far left. How many cities will they burn this time.

From: nmwapiti
02-May-22
Maybe losing it over roe will keep them from screwing with already born kids for a while.

From: AZ8
02-May-22
Midterms.

From: BowSniper
02-May-22
Someone's gotta go to jail for a leak like that... in the speciaI Epstein cell

03-May-22
AZ8 gets it!

Leak is obviously an attempt to gain back some sort of momentum for Democrats in the mid-terms.

It won't' work, but it is an admirable low-rent attempt!

Pete

From: DanaC
03-May-22
"It won't' work, but..."

Always amazes me how pundits on both sides refuse to believe in 'backlash'.

If/when SCOTUS does overturn Roe v Wade, and I believe they will at least partially do so, it will galvanize the heck out of liberal women, and probably a lot of middle-of-the-roaders as well.

Personally I'm more concerned about the 'right of privacy' that RvW was based on. Will SCOTUS decide that we do not enjoy any such right? The implications are scary. (For instance, imagine that all your gun purchases are now 'public records' and anyone can publish them.)

From: RonP
03-May-22
Agreed, part of the strategy to shift the focus. Wouldn't be surprised if JR had a hand in it.

From: HDE
03-May-22
^^^ this.

Right to privacy is a poor argument relative to roe v wade. You don't perform an abortion in your own home and it has absolutely nothing to do with women's health.

If indeed it is true, and overturned at the federal level, it will flesh out the states that share liberal viewpoints instead of hiding behind the feds skirt.

From: soccern23ny
03-May-22
Gonna be real awkward for the first Republican caught paying for his mistress' abortion with all the new "go to jail laws for helping" . But this sums it up the best... .

"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're [email protected]#!"- George Carlin 1996- (edited out big bad f word for the sissies on here)

From: Woods Walker
03-May-22
And the Communist chimes in. Maybe abortions should be mandatory for Democrats. Too bad your mom didn't have one.

03-May-22
another Russian dossier moment.

From: soccern23ny
03-May-22
@woods...

Ah, the old "you want rights you're a communist, I want to take your rights my God is freedom" rational

Notice how you didnt actually make an arguement except default to the republican playbook of screaming "communism" when you cant think of anything good to say

From: Rocky D
03-May-22
"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're [email protected]#!"- George Carlin 1996- (edited out big bad f word for the sissies on here)“

Soccer, you are a real piece of work.

You have no shame, the leak is unimportant just like the border, the economy, and the plethora of other failures of this administration.

From: stealthycat
03-May-22
people are sheep

if the Govt tells people abortion is wrong, the babies are valuable and precious, do that for a decade and people will believe abortion is wrong, babies are valuable and precious

I hope its true - the leaked info says Fed laws won't control abortion, state laws will

From: DanaC
03-May-22
re Crucible - " You gun purchases have been public record since 1968. "

That's just one example. How about your health records? Financials?

From: Woods Walker
03-May-22
No socchole, YOU where the one who supported the idea of..."No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing."

The ONLY people who need to be responsible for these, are THE PARENTS. If you can't feed 'em, then don't breed 'em. But that's a difficult concept for a "Gimme" Democrats to grasp and and don't expect you to as you're not capable.

From: APauls
03-May-22
Hey soccerguy conservatives are all about kids and people. We just don't believe it's the government's job to raise them. We feel that is our right and obligation - not something to be pushed on the governing authority of the day. The government is in charge of about 50% more of your life than it should be.

From: Mike in CT
03-May-22
"But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. "

This has been and will always be a disingenuous argument; first it draws a false equivalence between caring for the unborn versus believing in the concept of personal responsibility (the parties to the conception; obvious exception being rape).

This argument stems from the belief that one should not be held responsible for one's actions if those actions produce consequences one is not prepared to deal with responsibly. It's the textbook example of passing the buck, in this case not asking but demanding that the taxpayers pick up the tab.

It's couched in the language used because it's a transparent attempt to vilify; it's the stock and trade of the liberal; when the facts don't support an argument drive the argument towards pure emotion.

Sorry, not buying what you're selling.

03-May-22
A 30 year old quote from a dead comedian..

"No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. "

Bullshit look around poor kids get breakfast and lunch now,free Obamacare,all get Head Start free,who needs food stamps the EBT is everywhere.Free daycare for the high school mommies.

From: BowSniper
03-May-22
If Dems want to abort their Dem babies, they can live in Dems states and have at it.

And those that survive to can live in Dem cities and be killed by other Dems.

How long before we can stop playing games and get on with the inevitable split of red/blue states to live the way we want among people who share the same common values???

From: Old Bow
03-May-22

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03-May-22

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03-May-22
Mike in CT - Well Said!

From: HDE
03-May-22
Anyone who takes a comment by a "comedian" as anything of substance defines the level of that person's critical thinking skills.

As far as food stamps and welfare, well, you can thank your local liberal for that one. "Government care is not a necessity, but an evil we must tolerate from time to time."

From: Rocky D
03-May-22
This is not about kids, it’s about equality! Girls no longer suffer the consequences of irresponsible sex!

I know that concept is reach for some of but in the end that’s what it comes down to.

From: Inshart
03-May-22
In the leaked information they had to throw in the race issue .... it read something like "and a disproportionate number of black babies were being aborted"

WW and others on here hit the nail on the head ....""The ONLY people who need to be responsible for these, are THE PARENTS."

From: 70lbDraw
03-May-22
“Soccer, you are a real piece of work.”

He still believes there is no problem at the Southern border. Why would anyone listen to anything else he says?

From: soccern23ny
03-May-22
Trigggggered. Snowflakes out today. Imagine a loved one getting raped and having to have that baby.... gift from God I guess.

From: jjs
03-May-22
This is an insurrection to the Supreme Court that should never happen, neutrality is what governs this court and may never be after this illegal leak.

My last duty as a USN Hospital Corpmen in 72 was in Labor/Delivery and unfortunately abortion procedures was part of it. Never forget that the CO's 16 yr old daughter was bought in 2am for the procedure and the suction machine was used and the fetus was disposed of and everyone that was involved was order to keep it unspoken, I was the person that had to deal with all of the end results. This was a vast difference from dealing with a stillborn. Remember the saying that Nixon withdraw from Viet Nam was what his father should have done, not a pleasant time area and coming out as a vet. May the Lord save the Republic.

From: Mike in CT
03-May-22
"Imagine a loved one getting raped and having to have that baby.... gift from God I guess."

You might want to go back to my post and re-read this part: " (the parties to the conception; obvious exception being rape)"

You may also want to eschew straw man arguments for awhile as well; no one who's responded to your post or this topic has said anything about forcing the victim of a rape to have the baby.

Finally, you might want to consider investing some time in researching a topic before showing how uniformed about it you are; to begin with the number of abortions performed due to cases of rape or incest is less than 10% of all abortions.

Hopefully you may weigh in again with a post that's worthy of the gravity of the subject; so far you've fallen well short of the mark....

From: soccern23ny
03-May-22
@mike in ct.. might want to talk with oklahoma. It gives no exception for rape or incest after 6 weeks. Literally the point I am making. And really I expect them and other states to get even more restrictive than that.

Full outright bans regardless of the life of the mother will be next

From: Woods Walker
03-May-22
Well hey succhole...murder is murder, right? You're all for it so what's the biggie? Only when YOU decide who can live or die?

From: Bake
03-May-22
And the voters in those states can elect representation along the lines with their collective beliefs. That's how this works.

I frankly don't understand the hand-wringing. If you don't like what your state does, elect someone else. Or move.

And personally the thought of a "rape exemption" gives me the cold chills. Imagine how many false reports of rape there will be if the only way to get an abortion is to get an exemption for rape . . . .

I really struggle with the overall personal accountability aspect of this issue. I can't imagine that it gets any simpler--if you don't want or can't afford the results, then don't have sex. Seems pretty damn clear cut to me.

From: soccern23ny
03-May-22
Woods walker.... yeah I think all rape babies should be able to be murdered wi thg out hesitation or restriction by the state. Sorry not sorry.

Also all murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders.... and some homicides are legal. Durrr

From: Bob H in NH
03-May-22
This could be false, all reports go to one source, politico.com. They also aren't really overturning anything, just saying abortion isn't a basic right. That puts it squarely on states.

From: Aspen Ghost
03-May-22
So at least we have clarity that nick wants to kill babies because of what their father did.

From: JohnMC
03-May-22
I don't see what soccermommy is even worried about it. It is not like he will ever find himself in a position that he has to worry about being responsible for impregnating anyone.

From: Will tell
03-May-22
I'm guessing if you had to push a 6 pound baby out of your a$$ you might feel different. : ) just saying. That's not a personal shot at anyone in particular.

From: nmwapiti
03-May-22
It's becoming very important where you live. I feel for career fields like the military that don't get much say. Red states will protect free speech, 2nd amendment, and due process. Blue states will protect abortion, legal drugs, and no punishment for crime. Some crazy times.

From: Mike in CT
03-May-22
Soccer, Well I'll give you some credit for a halfway decent dodge; no one here has posted anything about forcing the victim of a rape to bear the child nor have they voiced support for that; do you habitually toss out ad hominem charges absent any proof?

Oklahoma aside this still leaves the vast majority (a bit over 90%) of pregnancies not involving rape or incest; I'd avoid addressing this inconvenient fact if I wanted to keep the argument an emotional one as opposed to one grounded in the facts.

" and some homicides are legal. Durrr"

I hope you're not falling back to the argument many liberals employ by trying to cast those who are against abortion but in favor of capital punishment as hypocritical?

I've had that one tossed my way and I've refrained from laughing at the sheer absurdity out of politeness; my reply to that argument is that if the person can provide an example of a capital crime perpetrated by a fetus I'm open to that discussion.

From: HDE
03-May-22
The only homicides that are "legal" are when the the person who is killed is an offender as in a criminal. Is an unborn infant a criminal? The death of a person can be accidental - homicide. Murder is a planned event - abortion.

Murder is in fact murder. Don't twist the meaning with fancy jargon you have no idea how to use...

From: Rocky D
03-May-22
“ In the leaked information they had to throw in the race issue .... it read something like "and a disproportionate number of black babies were being aborted"”

13% of a population accounting for almost 30% abortions would be considered racist if were blacks be murdered or you were looking at the poverty rate!

I guess some would consider this racist…

From: Stix
03-May-22
PTL if this is true. Let states decide what is murdering the innocent, they will be judged.

From: Rocky D
03-May-22
I just wouldn’t want to deal with a creature that could abort a 6 month old.

How do you go home and go to sleep?

Where do they get doctors like this?

Wouldn’t this make more sense that such a controversial issue could be managed at the lowest level.

States have lost so much with big government and it pays well…

From: Rocky D
03-May-22
“ Chief Robrets has just made a statement.”

I thought this was a delayed response from someone that has failed since his appointment to SCOTUS!

From: Stix
03-May-22
Even most European countries set a term limit of 12 weeks or less. Only the US recognizes abortion on demand. The US is flooded with evil and it's guaranteed everyone will be judged for GENOCIDE of the unwanted.

From: scentman
03-May-22
Stix x2 brother... God is in charge, sees a mans heart.

From: Brotsky
03-May-22
Lot of dudes on here telling women what to do. One thing I learned a long time ago, you'll be a lot happier in life, and more successful, if you don't try to tell women what to do. Freedom is making your own decisions, and consequently living with them.

From: Stix
03-May-22
We claim Russia committing genocide in Ukraine, but genocide of the unwanted is ok in the US. We need compassion for life.

03-May-22
What % of abortions are from rape or incest? It's a dog whistle.

From: scentman
03-May-22
I would never patronize my wife to make my life easier, don't work that way... and nobody is telling a woman what to do.

From: Dollar
03-May-22
The feds already monitor the gun purchases in the country.Evidently the FFL transfer paper work is kept.I was under the assumption that they were destroyed.Even looked it up and it stated that after a short period all background check info was destroyed. This is not true I was contacted by the ATF a couple months ago about I sold in a private sale.I had bought several browning bps shotguns and kept the composite stocked one.I sold the other to a young hispanic man with a legal lic. and ccw lic..The gun turned up in Mexico a year later.Now get this the Mexican gov't makes the US(ATF) find out where this sporting arm came from and who dared smuggle it into Mexico.They(ATF) called me after they got the serial # and looked where it was sold and my transfer records were found.Which should have been destroyed by then.They asked me a bunch of questions then sent me on my way.I wonder howlong this has been going on?

From: yooper89
03-May-22
Man I had the best breakfast sandwich this morning. First I fried two eggs. Put some bacon in the oven. Toasted a piece of whole grain bread. Slathered on some Kerrygold butter and some avocado. Some cayenne pepper and Trader Joe’s Green Dragon sauce. Then I started assembling. First, the eggs on the bread. Then I placed the freshly cooked bacon on top. I threw some spring mix greens on there and placed the avocado covered piece of toast on top. Of course, the avocado side of the bread was face down. I didn’t want to make a mess. Then I started eating it. Bite by bite, I knew I made the right decision. It was perfect. Nobody was stopping me from aborting my hunger.

From: HDE
03-May-22
Brotsky - pretty sure your post didn't sound the way you wanted it to, and sometimes, women (as well as men) need to be told exactly what they should do.

All pregnancies require a male at some point - so yeah, I'd say men have a rightful say in the matter as well.

From: Michael
03-May-22
In todays logic maybe all the dudes on this site are really women.

From: Old Bow
03-May-22
Abortion has turned into a business. California’s law if passed is a sick law !

From: azelkhntr
03-May-22
Awww geez Edith....Not another summer of pussy hats, burning cities and blocked roads!

03-May-22
Freedom is living your own life. That isn't easy when you have been killed.

From: scentman
03-May-22
Easy tha Ach, the meatheads are running the Dem party... bunch a pinkos.

From: jstephens61
03-May-22
What does any of this have to do with archery or bowhunting?

From: azelkhntr
03-May-22
Why did this "leak" happen? Why now? The criminal gang in the WH is not going to get its war with Russia so it may have decided to create its own war here at home? Have they decided in their desperation to attempt to lockdown the entire nation ala Shanghai? Nothing happens by chance in these matters. This was deliberate and premeditated, but why?

From: BowSniper
03-May-22
Looks to me like the Dems were about to get whalloped in the Novemeber mid-terms and this is just a stunt to gin up liberal support from the base. Trying to make them forget inflation and gas costs.

Or worse, a stunt by radical libtard activists to push congress to stack the Supreme Court and nuke the filibuster prior to the Dems losing power.

From: 70lbDraw
03-May-22
“What does any of this have to do with archery or bowhunting?”

Nothing. Are you incapable of ignoring a thread you have no interest in?

From: LINK
03-May-22
Soccer mom, I use to support a rape exception… until I married my wife. She said wiry absolute certainty that in that situation she would carry the child to term, that it’s not the child’s fault. Murder is murder. God is the giver abs taker of life, no one else.

03-May-22
"What does any of this have to do with archery or bowhunting?"

far as i know, no aborted baby ever got the opportunity to bow hunt.

From: scentman
03-May-22
Bowsniper for the win... spot on!

From: Stix
03-May-22
If this decision affects the mid-term elections then so be it. We're in a fallen world. Stopping the genocide of the unwanted far outweighs any 'political' gain.

From: Two Feathers
03-May-22
abortion = BIG people killing little people.

From: azelkhntr
03-May-22
The odd part is that no SCOTUS decision on abortion has been determined our announced. It was a draft ruling. But now we are going to have the entire nation and 50 State Capitals under siege for something that hasn't even actually happened. DS BS is what it is. Probably to force Martial Law.

From: tobywon
03-May-22
This thread has nothing to do with archery, but it sure makes me want to pull my arrow out of the target before I shoot!!!

03-May-22
Especially if you have a broadhead.

From: Pop-r
03-May-22
I guess we should've known that idiot Biden is making sure to oppose it.

From: elkmtngear
03-May-22

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And, then there is this:

03-May-22
Psalms 127:3. It’s pretty clear if you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ, the implications of killing an innocent child in the womb. Rationalize it how you want. It doesn’t change the way God sees it.

From: Stix
03-May-22

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From: bigswivle
03-May-22
The more power to the states the better. If you don’t like it, leave, very simple.

03-May-22
Investigators are looking for who leaked this…

From: creed
03-May-22
" Imagine a loved one getting raped and having to have that baby.... gift from God I guess."

My ex was raped at age 12. Her child was carried to full term and given up for adoption at birth. There are alternatives to abortion.

From: Stix
03-May-22
Thanks for sharing creed. It's always good to hear when people don't have a first response to kill. Humanity has been in a spiraling downfall for over 50 years. Their first response is to kill, instead of practicing protective sex. But they want a free pass on that responsibility. Abortion should never be thought of as a normal consequence of sex.

From: TreeWalker
04-May-22
Just as when candidate Obama ran for President there was a upswing in first-time voters that registered for the first time ever though had been eligible to vote for years and in some cases decades. There will be women registering to vote that otherwise would not have participated this midterm and maybe never the rest of their lives. Post-Obama there was a decline in participation by the voters he had inspired to register.

Will the upswing in first-time voters that are women change the outcome of any political contests this November? We will know in about 185 days.

From: TreeWalker
04-May-22
As for relying on passages from religious readings to guide America's laws, do not forget the Bible strictly forbids eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls. Some may conveniently ignore to follow those teachings that but sins are taking place as you bite down on that crispy bacon for breakfast. Jesus never was on record saying owning other person was wrong and the Bible is clear this is okay when says you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Now, some of us have had spirited sons that have been disobedient and the Bible is very clear you are to bring your son to the elders where the sone will be stoned to death. There are also rules re the mixing of crops in a field and wearing multiple types of cloth at one time which should result in death. If America is to look to religious documents on serious matters then there is a lot of stoning and killing we need to get going with so we are compliant and observant. The teachings are not a buffet where you get to pick and choose based on you like pork or plant corn next to wheat or sort of like your spirited son. Man up and get to killing. the Bible is counting on you.

04-May-22
"As for relying on passages from religious readings to guide America's laws..."

im fine with just relying on the constitution.

From: Bowfreak
04-May-22
Tree Walker, Have you read the Bible? At a minimum, you don't understand it.

04-May-22
Bowfreak x2. It absolutely amazes me the number of people who proclaim to know what the Bible says. Then put both feet in their mouth while making it clear they have zero idea concerning the teachings of the bible.

From: BowSniper
04-May-22

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From: Michael
04-May-22

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From: Stix
04-May-22
The old testament states those 'laws' to the jews on what you can and cannot eat. The new testament rebukes those laws, and is the new covenant.

If losing a few seats in congress is the result of stopping the genocide of the unwanted, so be it. Some things are more important than politics.

People are listening to way too much liberal media. This case is from Mississippi, which wants to enact a 15 week term limit maximum on abortion. Even most of the socialistic european countries limit to 12 weeks maximum.

From: bigeasygator
04-May-22
People are listening to way too much liberal media. This case is from Mississippi, which wants to enact a 15 week term limit maximum on abortion. Even most of the socialistic european countries limit to 12 weeks maximum

Mississippi also has a trigger law in place which will ban nearly all abortions should Roe be overturned, as do a dozen other States.

From: Will tell
04-May-22
If we're in a true Democracy the abortion issue should be put up for a vote for all of us to vote on. Using religion doctrine to make laws is a bad idea. Too many religious people don't agree on most issues. As far as the Bible is concerned and you read the New Testimate it isn't very complicated.

04-May-22
"Mississippi also has a trigger law in place which will ban nearly all abortions should Roe be overturned, as do a dozen other States."

pretty sure the constitution gives states that right.

From: BowSniper
04-May-22
Maybe as a guy I just don't understand the abortion demands of these women.

Can't they just pop a pill to prevent getting pregnant? Or have the guy wear a rubber? Or just not screw like rabbits if they don't want to to have an unintended baby? Or take the morning-after pill if they mess up any of the previous instructions???

Or if ALL of that fails... they could have the child and live with their life choices. Or even give the child up for adoption.

How is murdering the unwanted baby the first-best choice for these women???

From: DanaC
04-May-22
BowSniper, Since the same people opposed to abortion also want to limit access to birth control (no method of which is perfect) your argument rings a bit hollow. As for abstinence, that has *never* worked. Priests and ministers and preachers won't pass up a chance.

04-May-22
"Since the same people opposed to abortion also want to limit access to birth control (no method of which is perfect) your argument rings a bit hollow."

there are radicals on both sides but the overwhelming number of people that are against abortion are not against birth control.

From: Jaquomo
04-May-22
"If we're in a true Democracy the abortion issue should be put up for a vote for all of us to vote on".

Nope, we are a Constitutional Republic of federated states. We elect representatives to make laws, but we don't vote on every little thing at the national level, like killing babies or gun ownership. The USSC appears ready to defer to the Constitution on this issue, which either defers to the states or leaves it up to Congress to pass a law one way or the other.

Roe is an interpretation, just like the Causby/Leo USSC interpretations impact corner crossing. Nowhere in the Constitution or the Bible is abortion mentioned.

From: bigeasygator
04-May-22
pretty sure the constitution gives states that right.

I never said it didn't. I was responding to Stix's comment about the abortion ban prior to 15 weeks. While that is the law that is at question, a ruling that overturns Roe will have immediate ramifications regarding abortion rights and going further than banning abortion prior to 15 weeks in MS (and other states). He was alluding to laws in Europe being more stringent than MS - if Roe is overturned that will not be the case.

04-May-22
Dana the brush you are using is a little broad. Most pro life people I know are not against contraception. Choosing life long abstinence is something plenty have failed at but many adhere. It's a huge gap between abstinence until you are ready to have a child and life long celibacy.

From: Grasshopper
04-May-22
I was listening the other day to a program talking about counseling services for abortion. The lady counselor described most of the clients or patients as being in their 50's and 40's and having carried the burden of shame, sorrow, regret and loss of having an abortion with them for decades. Most never tell anyone, that is a life sentence secret you just don't talk about that destroys you over time.

Abortion kills more then the unborn, it just takes decades sometimes.

Lots of things in life sound good at the time, until you do it. Happens to me regularly.

Pray for our country, the unborn, and those burdened with hidden shame, sorrow and regret. There is nothing good that comes from an abortion, it is NOT a joyful thing.

From: Mint
04-May-22
When you have RBG saying Roe was bad law that tells you something. We are a Democracy and they states will now decide. I have to laugh because all of a sudden the people that are saying "My body my choice" were the ones demanding everyone get a experimental vaccine or be fired or worse. Just as the people saying men can give birth too are now saying this is an attack on women. I keep hearing that 68% of the American people support abortion so if that is true then most states will eventually allow abortion at some point. What I think is that the left pushed the issue too far allowing abortion right up to birth and most Americans were horrified by that position.

04-May-22
This is all the Democrats need to get rid of the filibuster and enlarge and pack the court.Biden knows he's not running again it's scorched earth policy

From: Rocky D
04-May-22
So much talk about about abortion and so little about the security breach!

This personifies the true character of this country currently!

From: BowSniper
04-May-22
One thing about scorched earth is that it burns both ways. IF filibuster goes away, whatever this wacko bunch does between now and November can be Un-Done in November and forever forward.

As for abortion, I'd grant it for rape/incest cases. And make birth control plentiful for everyone. With that, would all democrats then be on board??? Or are those concerns just empty talking points?

From: Bowfreak
04-May-22
Sinema and Manchin are both on record as keeping the filibuster after this leak.

From: LUNG$HOT
04-May-22
Yep Manchin and Sinema just shut down Dems trying to end the Filibuster.

From: 70lbDraw
04-May-22
“How is murdering the unwanted baby the first-best choice for these women???”

The democrats don’t care about women. This whole thing is about the democrats and their planned parenthood MONEY. Why anyone would admit supporting the left and their drama filled false outrage is beyond me. Of course, recently, the bowlibs haven’t even been as outspoken as they typically are. It must be embarrassing to support pure stupidity in a regular basis?!

From: Grasshopper
04-May-22
RockyD. I sure didn't mention the planned leak which is all about politics, doesn't mean I don't think a bunch of people should go prison over it, and the top priority should be to find and try in court the guilty ASAP.

I don't think "This personifies the true character of this country currently" is accurate, it personifies our government corruption and direction.

From: azelkhntr
04-May-22
Chief Justice Roberts should perhaps do as Laura Ingraham suggests. Call all the clerks together and tell them they have 24 hours to confess to the crime or they are all terminated and identified as accessories to the evil deed. God forbid the FBI gets its foot in the door. We'll never learn who turned traitor then.

From: Rocky D
04-May-22
“ God forbid the FBI gets its foot in the door. We'll never learn who turned traitor then.”

There’s a first, I agree!

From: DanaC
04-May-22
Breyer probably leaked it. Nothing to lose.

From: HDE
04-May-22
"Using religion doctrine to make laws is a bad idea."

Quite certain that religious doctrine, or the tenets of religious doctrine, were used as the premise for our Constitution and system of government...

From: BowSniper
04-May-22
Pretty safe bet it was an activist lefty who leaked it.... thinking back to Bradley Manning, and Reality Winner (what a name... sheeesh)

From: Rocky D
04-May-22
“ Breyer probably leaked it. Nothing to lose”

Like his reputation is unimportant! Once again, humanity shows its ugliness!

04-May-22
"As for abortion, I'd grant it for rape/incest cases. And make birth control plentiful for everyone. With that, would all democrats then be on board??? Or are those concerns just empty talking points?"

less than 1% of all abortions are because of rape. ask any "pro choice" advocate if the only abortions that should be available are for victims of rape and youll find out real quick that the rape thing is a red herring.

From: KSflatlander
04-May-22

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Red herring…I don’t think so. The vast majority of Americans support the right to choose with restrictions like health of the mother, rape, incest, within first trimester, ect. It’s the majority. How is that a red herring?

From: HDE
04-May-22
^^^ IF the vast majority of Americans support the right to choose with restrictions, the questions asked are ambiguous or very broad in context. Incest is an idiotic reason based on the very definition of the word. Chances are, it was consensual. If it wasn't, then it isn't incest anymore, it's flat out rape.

MOST people would agree in the case of rape that carrying to full term would cause PTSD that would bring in other issues and complications.

And, the only thing that polls show are the results of the selected audience to provide the results sought after...

From: ROUGHCOUNTRY
04-May-22
Norma McCorvey was the original plaintiff in Roe V. Wade. She filed under the clever twist on "john doe" as "Jane Roe." It was miss Norma's 3rd pregnancy by age 22 and she'd given up the first two for adoption and wished to abort the 3rd. She didn't win the case until the baby was already born and she adopted out "baby Roe" as well who the media tracked down for her first interview last fall on ABC.

Norma vacillated between pro-life and pro-choice over the remainder of her life getting baptized and joining an evangelical church. On her death bed, she recanted and claimed the pro-life folks "paid her off" to join them. "Baby Roe", Shelley Lynn Thornton, chose not to meet Ms. McCorvey before her death because she suspected Ms. McCorvey only wanted to meet her for publicity.

Fast forward and there have been in excess of 60 MILLION abortions since 1973 and that ruling. It's hard to believe this thrice impregnated woman with mental and emotional trauma was the spark for so many abortions since.

Although, the federal government may send the issue back to the states to be decided by the people of each state, we have been involved in the single largest genocide in human history and most of us don't blink an eye over it. I'm trying to come up with a math formula for the percentage of incest/rape out of the 60 MILLION??????????????

04-May-22
"How is that a red herring?"

it's a red herring in that it is an excuse pro choice advocates give for wanting abortions to be legal but when you take that off the table they start adding other things like health of the mother...which is also very rare... first trimester...etc...just like you just did.

so would you be willing to make all abortions due to rape and a verifiable risk to the mothers life legal...and all others illegal?

04-May-22
Both sides say they would like less abortions. The left likes vaccine mandates. Too bad there isn't a pharmaceutical "vaccine" that prevents unwanted pregnancies they could mandate....wait a second...

Sounds crazy right?

From: KSflatlander
04-May-22
“so would you be willing to make all abortions due to rape and a verifiable risk to the mothers life legal...and all others illegal?“

Yes, and I would focus on preventative measures (abundant, readily available, and free).

From: Notme
04-May-22
And the thread about the death of Neil Pert was deleted for not being archery or hunting related..lol

04-May-22
Probably because of fake registration and name...Shocking, I know! Lol All the #ucking trolls on here now...

04-May-22
"Yes, and I would focus on preventative measures (abundant, readily available, and free)."

so you would be ok with 98+% of all abortions being illegal? if thats true, you definitely do not represent the vast majority of pro choice advocates.

From: HDE
04-May-22
"(...and free)"

No such thing.

From: KSflatlander
04-May-22
“so you would be ok with 98+% of all abortions being illegal?”

Yes

From: azelkhntr
04-May-22
Human beings are created at the very moment of conception. I am all for humans being pro-choice, and so is GOD by the way. Seeing as how the unborn human being cannot express its own choice, I have to believe that the baby will vote Yes to Life and No to abortion. However, there are going to be some circumstances where the medical procedure may be necessary. But those are demonstrably few and far between. And IMO abortions are unconstitutional as noted in The Preamble. " and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". Posterity being capitalized in irrefutable recognition of the as yet unborn of GOD. You always have to err on the side of Life.

From: TonyBear
04-May-22
Many years ago I had a long distance pen pal (e-mail) relationship with a Rabbi. We talked about creation, hunting, fishing, war and science.At one point the subject of abortion and when life starts came up. Per the New Testament (Catholic) it is defined as conception. He explained that in his faith it only began upon the first independent breath. We debated as to whether it was the first breath via normal labor, induced labor, C-Section or premature birth (with undeveloped lungs). His faith didn't have a good answer. My answer was holding a premature child in my palm who was one of the first to have the advantage of new respiratory equipment. His two siblings born 1-2 years before him did not make it. He ultimately survived, but was also considered dead several times. The nurses would not give up on him, revived him numerous times. Breaking with protocol and possibly medical law. By everyone's estimates he was not supposed to survive.

With such extra ordinary measures he became a healthy boy, athlete teenager, great soccer player. Now almost 40 he fights an estranged wife for custody of his three children that she really never wanted. Sure they could have used birth control, she could have had several abortions but I doubt he would give those kids up for anything. After all who the heck would know more about the sanctity of life than someone who really wasn't supposed to be here??

Unecessary abortions happen all the time. In my opinion they should be rare. Life is just that precious. What concerns me more is the leak. Yet one more attempt to circumvent the American system by woke idiots, thugs and someone thinking they are above the law. Any law clerk or other SCOUTS employee signed non-disclosure agreement upon becoming an employee. They need to be identified, charged and prosecuted. End of story.

From: Shuteye
04-May-22
The black woman that is running for the Senate in Pennsylvania said her mother was 11 years old when raped by a 21 year old man. That is when she was conceited and it glad her mom didn't abort her.

05-May-22
“so you would be ok with 98+% of all abortions being illegal?” "Yes"

we agree then...do you think that can be said of the majority of the those who consider themselves pro-choice?

05-May-22
Pro choice is akin to this leak. Why? Because it involves people willing to do immoral things for what they perceive as bettering their current situation.

I can see that happening on almost all fronts. Until we get to the murdering of an innocent child. That is where evil steps in. And, as grasshopper noted, that is the burden many suffer through until it destroys them.

FWIW, the Bible is very clear on abortion. In more then one way. Saying different doesn’t change that. Murder is forbidden in the commandments. And, there is zero doubt when life begins. Abortion Is not debatable on any front if basing it on biblical law.

From: bigeasygator
05-May-22
FWIW, the Bible is very clear on abortion

No, it isn't. Numbers 5:11-31 describes the test of the unfaithful wife, which involves giving a woman an abortion.

Exodus 21:22-24 says that if a woman is struck and miscarries the offender should be fined. Whereas, if a woman is struck and she dies the perpetrator forfeits his life too. Clearly there are different value judgements placed on the woman and her fetus, and the fetus is not treated like a living human being.

Plenty of prominent Christians have struggled as to answering the question of when life begins, or how to correlate the spiritual and biological development of a fetus. Saint Augustine felt the abortion of a fetus with limbs and shape was murder, but prior to that, it likely wasn't. As he said, "Now who is there that is not rather disposed to think that unformed abortions perish, like seeds that have never fructified?"

The Bible provided no guidance and provides zero answers on the question of when a human life begins.

Furthermore, murder may indeed be forbidden in the Commandments, but from Jesus' contemporaries to English common law and beyond, abortion of a pre-quickened fetus was deemed okay and abortion of a fetus post-quickening was not treated as murder.

From: LINK
05-May-22
Big easy. The Old Testament law has be fulfilled, made complete, and we are no longer bound to it. We are no longer called to offer sacrifices. Jesus ultimate sacrifice freed us of a bunch of rituals and laws that constantly required new sacrifices. The Bible is pretty clear that God knows us before we were knit in our mother’s womb. You can try to water down or mis represent the Bible by singling verses out one by one. Taken in context of its entirety the Bible is very clear and on point.

05-May-22
It will always be a dividing issue. The real cause is definition.

Normal people are opposed to killing other innocent humans.

Normal people believe a person's health choices should be their own.

Whether you look at an unborn child as a human or as a lump of cells generally dictates the stance on abortion.

Pro-life folks don't oppose a woman getting a tumor removed.

Pro-choice people don't oppose requiring a burden on parents if it means saving the life of that parents toddler.

I was sort of ambivalent in my youth about abortion. Maturing and seeing my kids ultrasounds and the unexplainable feeling when you hold your child for the first time cemented my views.

We aren't solving this issue any time soon.

From: azelkhntr
05-May-22
If you're accomplished enough to have made it to the SCOTUS as a clerk, you're one of the best investigative minds in the Nation. It seems to me that CJ Roberts should call all of you together and deliver an ultimatum. You have 24 hours to discover who the leaker is, or the leaker confesses. If after that time period nothing has been achieved than all the clerks need to be terminated immediately with great prejudice and disdain, and they should be disbarred and blocked from ever practicing Law in the USA at any level. If the Court can't even police itself, can it be the last word in the Nation on any matter? If We the People cannot trust the SCOTUS than we are in dire straits indeed.

From: Bowfreak
05-May-22
BEG,

God taking the life of a child is not an abortion. This is what happens in the test for an unfaithful wife. God takes other lives in the OT too. They weren't abortions either. Man does not have this right, only God does.

I have no idea what you are claiming with regard to the Exodus verses.

Wonder what St. Augustine would think if he saw a 4D Ultrasound or could listen to the heartbeat of a baby that is yet to have limbs?

God strictly prohibits murder. Abortion is murder.

From: azelkhntr
05-May-22

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From: Stix
05-May-22

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Here is a summary of the original supreme court decision on Roe vs Wade. In a nutshell, before fetal viability, the states cannot prevent an abortion. After viability the states can. Roe v Wade never gave the green light for all abortions. This ruling has been contorted by pro-choice groups to mean something it never did.

05-May-22
Funny to see actual ‘white’ people protesting…Anyone see anything burned down yet?!? :-)

From: KSflatlander
05-May-22
Racist much?

From: creed
05-May-22
Liberal bowsite theologians. Twisting the Bible to mean anything they want.

05-May-22
Lol…Fact!

From: bigeasygator
05-May-22
This ruling has been contorted by pro-choice groups to mean something it never did.

Seeing as the point of viability was labeled as 24 weeks per Roe and that >99% of abortions occur at <21 weeks (with 93% occurring before week 13), what exactly is it that you think is being contorted?

From: Stix
05-May-22
Beg: The big uproar when late term abortion bans are being proposed except for the health of the mother. The pro choice folks and main stream liberals associate that with an attack on roe v wade. Don't forget, now with advances in neo-natal care, a baby was born at 18 1/2 weeks and is not only surviving, but thriving.

From: hightine
05-May-22
Do pro-choice folks consider the murder of a pregnant woman as double homicide? Curious.

From: bigeasygator
05-May-22
Late term abortions are only available to protect the health of the mother. Nobody sane supports late term abortions for any other reason. What has the pro-choice crowd up in arms are the actual attacks on Roe - namely, the steps to limit access and place restrictions on a woman’s ability to exercise the right that Roe established. And yes, I agree that the viability threshold is a moving bar and should certainly be revisited in light of medical advances.

From: Stix
06-May-22
Beg, than there is alot of insane pro-abortion politicians passing abortion protection bills in their states that allow abortion up to full term of pregnancy. See California and Colorado's recently passed legislation. I'm sure there are others.

06-May-22
^^^ This, it will come down to what the States decide! Everyone’s panties in an uproar over something that will continue to be decided back and forth in years to come…

06-May-22
"Liberal bowsite theologians. Twisting the Bible to mean anything they want."

in terms of the law, the bible is irrelevant...the constitution is not.

From: soccern23ny
06-May-22
Imagine thinking anyone gave a [email protected]&! about your religion or god(s) or more importantly, thinking anyone cared about what your god said when your making your arguement for a policy that should apply to society. Comedians are null and void, well here's a pastor....

... .

"The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn." -Pastor Dave Barnhart, 2018-

Now move our goal posts...

(Literally dont care what your religion says)

From: sasquatch
06-May-22
Until there is a way to make people liable for their own doings, aka having kids, I have no problem with early term abortions. This is as a huge portion of these kids will grow up on welfare while also being raised in shitty environments.

I think it’s easy to let our emotions concentrate on the “murder” part while not paying attention to what type of life these kids likely will be subjected to.

I don’t like late term abortions as I do believe you should be able to make a decision within a month or two once you know your pregnant.

Rape cases def need to be able to get abortions in my opinion.

It’s not fair that the males can just run off with no repercussions after knocking someone up!

From: soccern23ny
06-May-22
Great points sasquatch. For what it's worth nearly every abortion after 6 months is from people who wanted the child. They picked out names, made a nursey, bought clothes etc. But for various reasons need to abort. Ie... literal life of the mother or the baby has died inside them and is/or will rot inside them if not removed. Not because they just dont want it no more

I think most sane people are okay with abortion with restrictions. Ie.... before 20 weeks or for the reasons stated above

From: Rocky D
06-May-22
Soccer, you ignorant turd this is not an advancement in society.

Regardless, what you think, this is not holding women down! How about a little personal responsibility.

Look at the numbers this is not a bunch of sixteen year olds and rape victims. Also, there are a disproportionate number of African Americans where 13% of the population accounts for 27% of all abortions.

Remember Ms Sanger was an advocate of population control and abortions have been very effective against this marginalized group!

Where is all the love for humanity? Do you actually advocate the killing of the unborn! Would not mourn if you lost a dog with pups?

Would you not mourn the pups? What’s the difference?

I know it’s a complicated issue but when you get right down to it and look at it for brass tacks it’s a real simple question? Do you want a Society that condones and even advocates for this type of behavior or do you want one tries to manage the carnage!

From: sasquatch
06-May-22
I hear alot of men saying women should be more responsible

Yet I hear few suggestions on how to MAKE the man responsible

Fix that, and I’ll be open to stricter abortion rules.

From: soccern23ny
06-May-22
As far as groups who abort more it's simple it falls along socio economic lines and that happens to be a lot of minorities. If you compare it to poor uneducated white people it's the same rates.

Its fairly simple I dont consider a 15 week developing human fetus/Embroy a actual human or baby. Is it alive? Sure is it going to be a baby soon? Absolutely. does it at that stage of development deserve the same rights, freedoms, and and protections as an 8 month developeding baby or a birthed one? Nope. Simple... no.

And if my dog miscarried at 1/4th of the way to having pups or I had to abort to save its life. Than I would do it in a heart beat. Honestly not really comparable to humans. Considering to get the domesticated dog early man culled 90% of offspring due to undesirable traits(aggression)

From: greg simon
06-May-22
So would Pastor Dave Barnhart be on board with "aborting" the poor, homeless, addicted, etc... If not his argument is negated.

8 month old humans can't survive on their own. Why not move the time frame out to say 12 years. Give the kid some time to prove itself. If it looks like an undesirable human "abort " it then.

Of course I know that is insane, but so is murdering an unborn human being simply because you don't want it!!!

From: BowSniper
06-May-22
To that point, maybe offer these activist Dems the right to abort their baby but ONLY if they carry it full term and have to do it with their own hands.

From: jjs
06-May-22
Remember my mother saying that good girls kept their legs crossed and good boys kept their zipper up and there would be no problems with unwanted babies, then 'free love' came in.

From: DanaC
06-May-22
Nice theory, never been true, tho'. Never.

From: LUNG$HOT
06-May-22
“Do pro-choice folks consider the murder of a pregnant woman as double homicide? Curious.“ Is undoubtedly a double murder! I believe there’s plenty of case law to back this as well. Scott Peterson is a great example. You notice the crickets from the pro-choice crowd. Expected nothing less!

From: Shaft2Long
06-May-22
The riots and violence by Democrats during the George Floyd era of social justice were just a warm up compared to what we are going to see if this is overturned.

Democrats have learned threats, riots, violence and intimidation are way more effective than the ballot box.

From: Rocky D
06-May-22
“ I hear air of men saying women should be more responsible”

Sasquatch, men have not been part the legal equation since R vs W. Sadly, the ball falls in her court! She is the one with the final word!

Prior to the legalization of abortions shotgun weddings were extremely popular especially amongst the African American community.

This remained true until babies became profitable. Don’t worry poor whites have broken this code too!

Soccer, grey matter is used when things are not black and white. If it’s not a baby at fifteen weeks then it’s not a baby at twenty one and so on!

Use that thing at the end of your neck man, instead of just echoing the mantra!

From: Rocky D
06-May-22

From: sasquatch
06-May-22
Lung, no crickets on that from me. I could go either way on it, charge them for double or single. It will mean next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

ESPECIALLY, if I had my way with that too, if we can prove them guilty of killing someone than I say we kill them. Double homicide wouldn’t matter, dead is dead. Those type of things only matter in our weak ass justice system that started going down the drain as soon as we grew emotionally attached to everything

From: azelkhntr
06-May-22
Rumor has it that the doxxed and targeted SC Justices and families are being protected by not the police or fbi, but rather by active duty US Military personnel?

From: sasquatch
06-May-22
Rocky, what does the race deal have anything to do with this?

“If the 13% equates to 27% of the abortions”

Nobody else is killing their babies out of race hate, it’s the MOTHERS choices! That sounds like a culture problem not a race problem.

From: Rocky D
06-May-22
Sasquatch, abortion disproportionately affects the African American community!

Isn’t that important, I would like to think a liberal Democrat would like to take cake of large part of its voting base.

From: sasquatch
06-May-22
You think I am liberal Democrat? Far far from it and am republican but I don’t believe I’m following politics like a cult. I don’t agree with the 100% anti abortion the republicans push.

However, it’s their personal choice and their culture, I’m sure not going to push for laws to protect one specific race from themselves.

From: Rocky D
06-May-22
Sasquatch, that was for Soccer23. But it is part of the discussion since that was one of its original selling points.

From: HDE
06-May-22
BEG - you can't interpret meanings of the Bible simply from a modern day approach. You need to have a deeper appreciation of what something meant in antiquity and what that culture at that time understood what the content meant. Deep study of ancient culture and fluency in Hebrew is where you need to begin. Your interpretation is likely incorrect.

06-May-22
"Lung, no crickets on that from me. I could go either way on it, charge them for double or single. It will mean next to nothing in the grand scheme of things."

what if a pregnant woman is attacked and beaten. She lives but her unborn baby dies...then what? murder?

07-May-22
Has anyone asked, why this and why now?!? Always a boiling point and always will be, but why drop/leak this now? Ukraine/Russia, turmoil at home and now this…

08-May-22
“Or take the morning-after pill if they mess up any of the previous instructions???”

So you’re saying you are OK with an abortion as long as it’s early enough, right? Because that’s what the “morning after” pill does.

Seems to me…

It’s horribly convenient to label abortion “genocide“ because it disproportionately “affects” African-American women… But on the other hand… There is incontrovertible evidence that women who have children at a relatively early age and as single mothers are overwhelmingly likely to end up living below the poverty line. So essentially, we are saying that it’s wrong to deprive these children of life, but it’s OK to sentence them to a life of poverty. So (JMO) George Carlin had a point. It’s terribly convenient to write him off as “just a comedian“ when he is using his profession as an Artist to make a point that cuts straight to the bone. But he was not wrong.

Again, one man’s opinion… Getting an abortion (or NOT getting an abortion) has got to be about the absolutely most difficult and horrifying decision that a person would ever have to make, perhaps short of being a high-ranking military officer sending troops into a no-win scenario or someone who literally has his thumb on the big red button that could trigger the end of the world.

Now… A couple of guys have posted about women who were raped and who chose to carry to term. That was their choice, as it should be. I am certain that the children who were born as a result of those decisions are eternally grateful. But that was the decision made by a woman who had the Right to choose what was right FOR HER. Eliminating an abortion as an option for a woman who has been raped is no more humane than forcing her to have one.

Let’s not forget that getting pregnant is the most dangerous thing that most women ever do. Carrying and delivering a child has undeniable, permanent consequences for a woman’s body. Basically nothing is ever the same, and forcing a woman to go through that after she has already been raped is just another violation of the sanctity of her body. To argue that the psychological impact of that takes a back-seat to ANYTHING is to deny the humanity of the innocent victim of an act of violence.

The trouble is… If you leave a loophole for rape, then you would have to be a complete idiot to not foresee a tremendous spike in reports of rape, if that is the only non-medical justification for receiving abortion services. And if a woman has been impregnated as a result of a rape, then it naturally follows that the police should rightly be granted access to genetic reporting on the cells of the aborted fetus. In which case the “rapist” could be identified on the basis of DNA. In which case any man who had impregnated a woman (who then elected to use rape as justification for getting an abortion) could then be prosecuted and sent prison for rape when the act was in fact entirely consensual. Whether he knew she was seeking an an abortion or not. Because at that point the woman would have to choose to recant the story that she had been raped (and face prosecution for having secured abortion services under false pretenses) or watch an innocent man go to prison.

If you are the father of a young man (or you yourself are a young man) and that does not scare the ever-loving shit out of you, I don’t know what it’s going to take to get through to you.

When I was in high school… about 40 years ago… in our minds, at the time, abortion was basically perceived as a get out of jail free card for an “oops“ kind of a pregnancy which could completely derail a young person‘s life. Not surprisingly, seeing the ultrasounds of my own children when they were no larger than my thumb really changed my perspective on that.

I know one couple who learned that they had conceived and anencephalic fetus, and they chose to carry to term. That “baby“ died very quickly, as everyone knew that it would, and the parents saw fit to allow their virtual “stillborn” to become an organ donor, which spared the lives of several other children and certainly had an enormous impact on the quality of life for a number of others.

I know another couple who have a daughter who is affected by a condition which typically leads to an infant which never progresses beyond infancy and which becomes susceptible to seizures of an ever increasing frequency and magnitude until the child dies at about the age of five. Children like that are incredibly expensive for the parents to support, not uncommonly leading the parents into bankruptcy, and the children never enjoy anything resembling a decent quality of life, but are constantly enduring pain and suffering. In this particular case, the afflicted child was their first-born. A second child with the same condition would almost certainly have ruined them, both financially and as a couple.

Where I cannot help but to come down on this sort of thing is that no one other than the individual(s) in question has any concept of the totality of the circumstances which the mother and the prospective child are likely to face. Therefore, no one else is in a position to dictate what is the best option available.

This country was founded on the principle that the public should not be ruled according to the religious convictions of the government.

It’s Complicated.

JMO, pray as thou wilt…. But recognize the limitations of your knowledge, and leave the Omniscience to God. That position is filled. If there IS a God who frowns on abortion, then know that the aborted are in His hands and will never know fear nor want, and leave it to Him to sort the details of the women who choose abortion as the least awful alternative. It is not up to us to know the right thing for someone else.

That’s one thing I will never understand. “Pro-Life” folks would like everyone to perceive “pro-choice” thinkers as “pro-abortion”. Which is CRAP. No decent human being WANTS for ANYONE to feel the need for an abortion, but we DO live in an imperfect world.

Sorry to end on a Random note, but bottom line is, not everything can (or should) be under govt control, and this is one of those things which should NOT be.

From: DanaC
08-May-22
"Has anyone asked, why this and why now?!?"

Because they *can*. This has been the 'social' GOP's plan for decades. Install cocial-conservative judges at all levels. Mitch McConnell end-gamed it when he rejected Obama's nominee for SCOTUS, then maneuvered Trump into nominating three anti-abortion Justices. After that it was just a matter of waiting for a case to make its way up the ladder. And here we are.

(And Trump calls McConnell a 'loser'? Naive pawn was over his head from Day 1.)

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Ricky, “what if a pregnant woman is attacked and beaten. She lives but her unborn baby dies...then what? murder?“

We can keep moving the goal post if you want, I’ll keep playing.

In a just world, that slimy POS who would do that should be hung for the world to see! If it’s ok for her to shoot him in self defense, it should be ok for her to shoot him next week! What he did hasn’t changed so why should his punishment?

Ya see, I’m not all emotional and soft on criminals, doing so is why we have the problems we do today.

So, again to me the baby/pregnant part shouldn’t matter. He should be tried for what he was attempting to do. If he was beating on a woman I’m gonna assume he wanted to kill her, just because he failed shouldn’t change his punishment. So yea, let’s try him for murder, but not for the unborn baby, or do so also. I really don’t care, what I care about is taking low life’s out the gene pool. THAT should be our goals and concentrations more so than abortion rights. We have bigger problems in this world.

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Ricky, “what if a pregnant woman is attacked and beaten. She lives but her unborn baby dies...then what? murder?“

We can keep moving the goal post if you want, I’ll keep playing.

In a just world, that slimy POS who would do that should be hung for the world to see! If it’s ok for her to shoot him in self defense, it should be ok for her to shoot him next week! What he did hasn’t changed so why should his punishment?

Ya see, I’m not all emotional and soft on criminals, doing so is why we have the problems we do today.

So, again to me the baby/pregnant part shouldn’t matter. He should be tried for what he was attempting to do. If he was beating on a woman I’m gonna assume he wanted to kill her, just because he failed shouldn’t change his punishment. So yea, let’s try him for murder, but not for the unborn baby, or do so also. I really don’t care, what I care about is taking low life’s out the gene pool. THAT should be our goals and concentrations more so than abortion rights. We have bigger problems in this world.

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Ricky, “what if a pregnant woman is attacked and beaten. She lives but her unborn baby dies...then what? murder?“

We can keep moving the goal post if you want, I’ll keep playing.

In a just world, that slimy POS who would do that should be hung for the world to see! If it’s ok for her to shoot him in self defense, it should be ok for her to shoot him next week! What he did hasn’t changed so why should his punishment?

Ya see, I’m not all emotional and soft on criminals, doing so is why we have the problems we do today.

So, again to me the baby/pregnant part shouldn’t matter. He should be tried for what he was attempting to do. If he was beating on a woman I’m gonna assume he wanted to kill her, just because he failed shouldn’t change his punishment. So yea, let’s try him for murder, but not for the unborn baby, or do so also. I really don’t care, what I care about is taking low life’s out the gene pool. THAT should be our goals and concentrations more so than abortion rights. We have bigger problems in this world.

08-May-22
not moving the goal posts at all sasquatch. i think a person who beats a pregnant woman resulting in the death of her baby should be charged with murder, whether she dies or not. i posed the question to those who seem to think that a fetus isn't a person worthy of it's own individual rights.

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Well, I think the two are separate and should t be treated the same

What a criminal should get charged should not coincide with what/how a woman can do with her body within limits.

A woman choosing an early term abortion shouldn’t be compared to a what a criminal will be charged

From: Rocky D
08-May-22
“ A criminal should get charged should not coincide with what a woman can do with her body within limits.”

Laws entrenched in ambiguity makes little or no sense.

08-May-22
"A criminal should get charged should not coincide with what a woman can do with her body within limits."

if it was "her body," wouldn't it have her dna? what other organ or clump of cells in "her body" has completely different dna?

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Where is the dna goal post now?

What are you even getting at.

Are you one of the supporters of mass undocumented immigration while also living in a nice suburb or gated community being hidden from it?

If you are so anti abortion are you adopting a bunch of babies? Put your money where your mouth is

Easy to tell people how they should live when it don’t directly affect you.

My taxes pay for many abandoned children and children in poverty. I don’t wish to pay for more.

Make all parents liable to support their children and I’ll get on board. The cart don’t go before the horse.

From: soccern23ny
08-May-22
@rocky D... "Soccer, grey matter is used when things are not black and white. If it’s not a baby at fifteen weeks then it’s not a baby at twenty one and so on!"

ROFL... do you not see the contradiction and irony in that statement?

You tell me not to make black and white statements and then literally make a black and white statement about they very thing I had made a statement on... the real irony is that my statement wasn't black and white whereas yours was.

lol

08-May-22
"Where is the dna goal post now? What are you even getting at."

a baby is either a separate human being or it isn't. If it has it's own dna, it's not part of a womans body. i never told you how to live. i never even said whether i am for or against all abortions. im just saying that if you are ok with abortion, at least be honest about the fact that you are ok with killing another human being. i just don't happen to think the federal government has any business in it one way or another. that is up to the states. thats what our constitution says. i do believe if a person chooses to have an abortion, legal or not, they will ultimately answer for it. that is my religious belief, and it may not be yours or anyone elses. that is a completely different matter. and no, i am 100% against all illegal immigration.

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Chin, big difference between helping citizens during the Great Depression and raising generations on it.

I bet when we helped in the Great Depression people weren’t buying prime meals like boiled seafood with their food stamps and driving away in new vehicles.

And no I’m not saying kill babies for my pocket. I’m saying they both track together, you wanna get more strict on abortions, start by being more strict on people being responsible for their actions!

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Ricky, “if it has its own dna it’s not part of the woman’s body”

How far you wanna take that since everything has to be played in literation.

Now women are just incubators?

From: Stix
08-May-22
This supreme court decision does not ban abortion, which is the big misconception. Actually the roe v wade decision was the first supreme court decision to let states ban abortion after the point of viability. It gave the states the ability to ban abortion after that. The newest decision again gives the states that right, only to decide what their abortion protocol is. Could 0 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or later. What you will end up with is 'regional' areas where the procedure is allowed.

Doesnt the consititution say that anything not specifically identified in the document is left up to the states to decide.

I agree, let's do what's right by the constitution.

I disagree with corax's assertion that becoming pregnant is the most dangerous thing a femaie could do. She and her partner have options available to prevent this.

Raising a child and being a mother is the most dangerous, yet important thing a female can do. Through her nuturing, a product of humanity will set the direction of the future.

Happy Mother's day to all mom's who understand this but made the selfless choice to raise a child anyway.

08-May-22
sasquatch...

as much as youd like to put words in other peoples mouths, its not going to work. let me make it very simple. the constitution says it's up to the states to decide. if the states (people) decide that it is legal, it is legal. when it comes to the law, individual religious beliefs are irrelevant. in the end, i believe we will all have to answer for the things weve done. at that point, what man said was legal will be irrelevant. i also believe that there is no sin that cannot be forgiven. mine arent any better or worse than anyone elses.

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Words in your mouth?

Did I once mention states or federal?

From: DanaC
08-May-22
" I disagree with corax's assertion that becoming pregnant is the most dangerous thing a femaie could do. She and her partner have options available to prevent this. "

What about a very young girl who has not been taught about birth control, or even sex in general? Teenage boys are predatory as **** and just as ignorant of, and oblivious to 'consequences'.

From: azelkhntr
08-May-22

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From: 'Ike' (Phone)07-May-22 Has anyone asked, why this and why now?!? Always a boiling point and always will be, but why drop/leak this now? Ukraine/Russia, turmoil at home and now this…

//// The movie 2000 Mules dropped. Watch it.

08-May-22
"if we can prove them guilty of killing someone than I say we kill them. Double homicide wouldn’t matter, dead is dead. Those type of things only matter in our weak ass justice system that started going down the drain as soon as we grew emotionally attached to everything."

so would we kill the mother that decided to kill her child, the doctor that actually killed the child, or both?

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
Is an embryo a child?

From: azelkhntr
08-May-22
Egg + sperm = embryo > fetus > child when birthed.

From: 2Wild Bill
08-May-22
"Is an embryo a child?"

How many embryos were to become the discovers of the cure for cancer? Only God knows.

From: 70lbDraw
08-May-22
Amazing that those who think they are the deciders of mis/disinformation, have to argue as to when life begins?!

I shot a cow elk one winter, and when we dressed her, discovered she had an early developing fetus in her. I felt awful. I immediately thought about the potential impact of that one being a herd or satellite bull! How many could he have sired along the way? I no longer hunt late season cow or antlerless for that reason. How is it not instilled in everyone?

From: azelkhntr
08-May-22
They obviously aren't even teaching basic biology in schools today.

08-May-22
"Is an embryo a child?"

if not, other than size what does a child contain that an embryo doesnt...and when exactly does one become the other?

From: sasquatch
08-May-22
So, once sperm meets the egg it’s a child, got it.

Should we come up with a way to monitor when ppl have unprotected sex to then start restricting them because they carrying?

See, these things can spiral into ridiculousness.

And one thing for sure, most people commenting are guaranteed to never have to make that decision, unless they believe men can get pregnant too.

From: Swampbuck
08-May-22
One of these days we’ll talk about bow hunting. This is what this site was for

From: Bowbender
08-May-22
One of these days folks will actually learn to ignore a thread that doesn't interest them.

From: Rocky D
08-May-22

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Soccer, if it’s based on what you think, do you think that you can pick any week?

12 weeks is just a little to late if I had to vote on it today.

From: 70lbDraw
08-May-22
“One of these days we’ll talk about bow hunting. This is what this site was for”

Start your own bow hunting site. Do you complain because McDonalds sells thing you aren’t interested in?

08-May-22
Mike in ct, you are the one conservative in ct, keep it up! Love it!

08-May-22
"See, these things can spiral into ridiculousness."

it really only spirals into ridiculousness when people try to nuance their way around the fact that when an egg is fertilized it is a human being. at that point it is only a matter of stage of development. thats not to say that laws cant and wont be made by that make terminating that human being legal, but in our system, that's up to the people of each state to decide. the us constitution provides for that. that is completely separate and apart from the belief that we will have to answer for those decisions some day...the us constitution provides for that too.

08-May-22
It's a federal crime to disrupt or keep people from participating in religious services.Does that not fit "domestic terrorism" label?

Bidens silence is deafening and pathetic .

From: bigeasygator
08-May-22
it really only spirals into ridiculousness when people try to nuance their way around the fact that when an egg is fertilized it is a human being.

That’s hardly a “fact.” A woman isn’t even pregnant at this point, yet you’re saying a fertilized egg is a human being? The probability that a fertilized egg actually makes it to term is less that 50%. Many birth control products work after an egg is fertilized by preventing it from implanting in the uterus. Guessing you have a problem with anyone on the pill, Plan B, or IUDs then Ricky?

From: Rocky D
09-May-22
BEG, I agree with 50% in first two weeks but most are aborted naturally because problems with the embryo.

Now for the kicker 63% make it full term if they make it the first two weeks. That’s a delta 13% which cast significant doubts on early in the term pregnancies.

I have not made a statement saying that abortion should be outlawed but I do have serious issues against the argument and “my body my choice “ is nothing more than cliche that rally’s the troops but is fundamentally flawed on its own merit.

From: Rocky D
09-May-22
BEG, I agree with 50% in first two weeks but most are aborted naturally because problems with the embryo.

Now for the kicker 63% make it full term if they make it the first two weeks. That’s a delta 13% which cast significant doubts on early in the term pregnancies.

I have not made a statement saying that abortion should be outlawed but I do have serious issues against the argument and “my body my choice “ is nothing more than cliche that rally’s the troops but is fundamentally flawed on its own merit.

09-May-22
"Many birth control products work after an egg is fertilized by preventing it from implanting in the uterus. Guessing you have a problem with anyone on the pill, Plan B, or IUDs then Ricky?"

not necessarily...the pill is designed to prevent ovulation so there is no egg to fertilize...but it doesn't always work that way. plan b is an oral contraceptive and designed to prevent fertilization and is different than the abortion pill...ru486w...which terminates an actual pregnancy. many people think are the same. not even all iuds work the same. some are designed to prevent fertilization and some are designed to prevent implantation.

but you're right...that's why I said what I did in my last post.

From: bigeasygator
09-May-22
not necessarily...the pill is designed to prevent ovulation so there is no egg to fertilize

Hormones in birth control pills prevent pregnancy by:

1. Stopping or reducing ovulation (the release of an egg from an ovary).

2. Thickening cervical mucus to keep sperm from entering the uterus.

3. Thinning the lining of the uterus so that a fertilized egg is less likely to attach.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/drugs/3977-birth-control-the-pill

plan b is an oral contraceptive and designed to prevent fertilization and is different than the abortion pill.

When taken correctly (within 72 hours of a contraceptive accident or unprotected sex), Plan B® works by:

Temporarily stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation)

Preventing fertilization

Preventing a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus by changing the uterine lining

https://planb.ca/en/how-plan-b-works/

not even all iuds work the same. some are designed to prevent fertilization and some are designed to prevent implantation.

I agree with you there.

So again, do you feel birth control that may prevent implantation of a fertilized egg is equivalent to abortion?

09-May-22
"So again, do you feel birth control that may prevent implantation of a fertilized egg is equivalent to abortion?"

so again, that is why I said what i did in my earlier post.

"it really only spirals into ridiculousness when people try to nuance their way around the fact that when an egg is fertilized it is a human being. at that point it is only a matter of stage of development. thats not to say that laws cant and wont be made by that make terminating that human being legal, but in our system, that's up to the people of each state to decide. the us constitution provides for that. that is completely separate and apart from the belief that we will have to answer for those decisions some day...the us constitution provides for that too."

my personal belief is that anything that is intended to remove an egg that has been fertilized would be an abortion. that is completely irrelevant to who makes law and how the laws are to be made in a representative democracy...other than to say that I have one vote in the process. beyond that, my religious belief is that we will all ultimately answer for every decision that we have made, and that there is no sin that cannot be forgiven...ymmv

From: gflight
09-May-22
Roe v. Wade was never "constitutionally sound" and not the role of the federal government.

I am for stopping government interference in reproduction, medical decisions, gun ownership, drug use, etc.....

If a birthing person kills it's baby it's their cross to bear.

Especially with contraceptives and other things available today.

BLUF democrats are just securing their base for midterms.

From: bigeasygator
09-May-22
I am for stopping government interference in reproduction, medical decisions, gun ownership, drug use, etc...

I’m 100% with you, gflight. I’d say that I do think Roe was sound as abortion was not illegal prior to quickening when the Founder’s drafted the Constitution, and even after quickening it was treated essentially as a misdemeanor, so I do think there is historical context for the right to an abortion prior to some cutoff related to gestational age. Putting the constitutionality aside, I very much agree with the sentiment around stopping government interference. Overturning Roe revokes the reproductive rights you’re supportive of and allows for a whole host of additional government interference. While I support the Federal government staying out of our business for the most part, I support State governments doing the same.

From: Rocky D
09-May-22
“ I am for stopping government interference in reproduction, medical decisions, gun ownership, drug use, etc.....”

Gflight, I see you’ve not put a lot of thought in that answer because she’s not thought of any of the repercussions of which would come from the government staying out of gun ownership medical choices.

“If a birthing person kills it's baby it's their cross to bear.

Hmm…

09-May-22
^^^ Bingo!

From: krieger
10-May-22
I say we extend the " viability threshold " to 21 years of age. If you're not viable on your own, ie if you need public assistance of any kind to support your sorry butt, whether you are too stupid to figure it out, or too lazy to do anything about it, you need to be removed from the gene pool. You're simply not viable. Period. Goodbye.

Then lets say that unborn children identify as free ranging wolves, and the HSUS will spend millions protecting them. Win-win for everyone. :)

10-May-22
The standing and cheering of politicians on the after birth abortion option sickened me.These are truly viable babies no one can deny that even the most dug in Choice people.

From: Saphead
10-May-22
Abortion - James Bond 007 Law. License to Kill.

From: Rocky D
11-May-22
Come on your talking about denying reproduction freedom.

Pro choice is leveling the playing field!

Women want to be players too!

From: Michael
11-May-22
I find it very interesting that there are people on here using “birthing person” instead of words like women.

From: Rocky D
11-May-22
^^^^^^

From: sasquatch
11-May-22
^^^^^ say anything enough time for people to her it and it becomes truth/fact.

Quite disturbing seeing how many people truly fall for the ridiculous crap.

Mankind will be the cause of mankind’s demise, we are lost

From: smarba
11-May-22
I guess when mankind has met its demise...then sasquatch will be the alpha predator, eh?...LOL

From: soccern23ny
19-May-22
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Tell me again how george Carlin is wrong just because he's a comedian? You cant make this stuff up. The irony is relentless

From: soccern23ny
19-May-22

soccern23ny's Link

From: LINK
19-May-22
I don’t understand how there’s a milk shortage. God took care of this just as he provides for the birds. I have four kids and have never bought or used a drop of formula and my wife was away from the babies plenty and my kids never went hungry. They took milk from a bottle plenty of times. SMH

From: DanaC
19-May-22
Apparently teats are just for show now...

From: soccern23ny
19-May-22
Rofl I guess your gods suck. Some women cant produce milk or not enough.

Fyi birds take care of themselves not via gods

Ie... early bird gets the worm. Not delusional bird who prays gets worms magically from heaven

From: Rocky D
19-May-22
“ Rofl I guess your gods suck.”

The proverbial POS just cannot help himself!

19-May-22

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19-May-22

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From: LINK
19-May-22
Who provides the worm. There’s a period there because that’s a question I know you can’t answer. Yes plenty of woman can’t “produce enough”. If the ones that could did, there would be plenty of formula. A women’s body will produce what’s asked of it within reason. I’ve known women that pumped constantly to relieve the pressure all the while producing enough to feed 5 kids and not realizing what they are doing to themselves. It’s a demand-supply thing. Many first time mothers try to feed their baby and struggle before their milk comes in and give up because the baby is hungry and the mom has no clue what she’s doing. The next go round the milk is there almost instantly and the mother knows what she’s doing. Those babies leave the hospital weighing more than at birth, unlike bottle fed babies. In every situation Gods design is better than our modern cultures answer. On a side note if you’ve tried breast milk you’d know they’re not there just for show. ;)

From: Michael
19-May-22
When I was a kid we were told to drink moo juice. So I drank enough to float a battle ship. Now days it’s not good enough. Weird world for sure.

From: nchunter
19-May-22
At the rate men are losing testosterone and becoming so affeminate this all may not be an issue anymore. Its a weird world.

From: Rocky D
19-May-22
Breast milk is probably the only way that you can positively impact your child’s I.Q. Yet the popular trend is to canned!

That’s what gets me with today’s thinking! They are constantly touting organic yet they choose manufacturers milk over momma’s!

From: Rocky D
19-May-22

From: gflight
19-May-22
Feeding that crap causes respiratory and other immune problems in kids.

Ingredients and preservatives in it are used for things like killing algae in pools.

https://www.breastfeedingplace.com/exploring-ingredients-similac-infant-formula/

From: soccern23ny
20-May-22
More dribble about your allah.... all worthless. Idk why I even entertain it. Yes please tell me how god provides the worm in his book that also says the earth and humans are both only 6000 years old. I'll just ignore the multi million year old rocks sitting in my lawn.

From: Bake
23-May-22
I don't know where you all are getting your modern trend info. . . . Granted my daughter is 9 years old, which is a long time ago with this political climate, but when my daughter and son were born the trend was breast milk only. It was hammered at the hospital. I believe it's hammered now at the hospitals and pediatric clinics. Hell I felt you were castigated if you considered formula.

Hey Soccer. . . . a person who hides behind a fake registration and adds nothing to a discussion besides childish mocking is worthless. You should just leave here.

From: gflight
23-May-22
Riots this week. Uh, um, I mean peaceful protests 8^)

From: Dano
23-May-22
Change that Nick Nick handle. In EU it is a racial slur in several languages. Dano

23-May-22
Bake,

The fake registrations used to annoy me; however, I now see a different side to. When people who disagree with you and Google to find any derogatory information they can, and then post it as happened to a person who had a 52 year old criminal violation posted, I give it a pass today.

From: scentman
23-May-22
When someone mocks a spiritual belief of another to me is unacceptable... please present an apology or leave this site... we all have differences but a line was crossed and needs a conclusion. All in favor, say I... I

23-May-22
scentman the guy is a sht stirrer he'd love for you to lead a censorship campaign.

23-May-22
I tried but couldn't find where Nick Nick is a slur? Searched UK etc.

From: LINK
23-May-22
Soccers comments about the God of the universe don’t bother me, we will all be judged one day. When I think of soccer, two quotes come to mind… “ The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” - Ronald Reagan and “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”- Jesus

From: soccern23ny
23-May-22
I nor anyone is any under obligation to "respect" or not mock spiritual beliefs. All I'm bound by is allowing reasonable restrictions for you to practice your religion and not discriminate you for it.

You want people to not mock your religion? Stop using your god/beliefs as a reason why 'xyz' should or shouldn't happen for our society. Great if that's how you truly feel but it doesnt mean diddle to anyone else or should it carry any weight when debating such matters. And if decide to tell the word that 'xyz' needs to happen because your god says so, your god/religion doesnt get a free pass from ridicule/mockery/dismissiveness.

I disrespect your religion no more than I would Islam, taoism, some who practice cannibalism, or believes in human ritual sacrifice. There all on the same playing field.

You wouldn't let/want the tenets of other religions shaping your life so stop trying to use yours to shape mine.

From: LINK
23-May-22
“ You wouldn't let/want the tenets of other religions shaping your life so stop trying to use yours to shape mine.”

That is juicy on so many levels…. ;)

From: scentman
23-May-22
Soccer, I do respect your response to my post and understand your stance as to religion... that being said, if you are going to use shock value in your posts or responses I would ask you not to do so under a fake registration. I signed on to bowsite in good faith using my full name for registration... so I will ask you to do the same. Eric

From: azelkhntr
23-May-22

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23-May-22
Lol

23-May-22
It's always curious when people who are devout believers in things like man-made climate change, Socialism or Communism don't see the irony when they mock others faith in something or rail against others beliefs possibly shaping policy.

Religion : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

From: soccern23ny
24-May-22
I dont "devoutly believe" in climate change as one word a spiritual belief. I'm not sure what the right terminology would be.... I "believe" climate change to be real because i can see it, touch it, feel it, measure it, compare it, etc. I have overwhelming irrifuitable evidence than man is the driving factor behind climate change specifically co2. That's a stark difference between someone "knowing"/ believing their god exists (and presumably everyone else's god doesnt) due to some xyz mental gymnastics Confucius like answer.

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