Flawed Data pushing Climate Agenda
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Beendare 07-Aug-22
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Woods Walker 07-Aug-22
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From: Beendare
07-Aug-22

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A Heartland institute study finds that flawed placement of weather stations is skewing the climate data. Flawed science to create the Chicken Little political policies we see now.

ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL (July 27, 2022) – A new study, Corrupted Climate Stations: The Official U.S. Surface Temperature Record Remains Fatally Flawed, finds approximately 96 percent of U.S. temperature stations used to measure climate change fail to meet what the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) considers to be “acceptable” and uncorrupted placement by its own published standards.

From: spike buck
07-Aug-22
In NW Ontario, during the drought last year, they said lack of rain will diminish Berries for the bears for years to come. How wrong they were, we have the most Berries I have ever experienced because of the constant rain fall. Last year had to hire extra Wild |Fire staff, this year they are all laid off. Not a single fire in the area this year!! I think the Climate theorists are very disappointed it did not go their way.

Also, whats happening in many states and a few Provinces with major fires can be blamed on the "save the forest campaign. The forest they have saved for decades are old and prime for fires. Smart ones know that logging mimics fires.

From: HDE
07-Aug-22
Logging also limits carbon emissions from lack of fires.

From: spike78
07-Aug-22
Yup save the forests but now cut them down for solar panels. That will get the tree huggers heads spinning.

From: Hackbow
07-Aug-22
Shocking. Are you saying that degreed scientists are basing their findings and recommendations on fake news?

Again...shocking.

From: Matt
07-Aug-22
Interesting read. On one hand it shows that the recorded temperatures at poorly located weather stations outpaces that of those that are properly placed. On the flip side, both data sets show significant warming.

From: 'Ike'
07-Aug-22
Well duh! It's funny how every night, most Weather reports will post historic lows and highs...Guess scientist don't look at that stuff! Lol

07-Aug-22
Logging also eliminates carbon by cutting trees due to less transpiration occurring at night.

From: 70lbDraw
07-Aug-22
Yeah, I’m getting tired of every weather event being over-exaggerated by reporters. You’d think we have never had a flood, heatwave, heavy snow, etc. until now. The worst part is that my friends kids are being fed that the climate has NEVER been this way. Some of them are scared to death over it. Pure stupidity from the democrats in an effort to line their own pockets.

From: fuzzy
07-Aug-22
Yes. I'm working on an opinion column on this very subject. I'll post it here when finished.

From: Woods Walker
07-Aug-22
"Flawed data".....YOU BET! Especially if the government and particularly DEMOCRATS have anything to do with it!

Lies, lies, lies, and then when they're done with that, more lies. It's about POWER, their power, and they will say and do ANYTHING to get and keep it.

07-Aug-22
https://www.prageru.com/video/how-much-energy-will-the-world-need

This is an interesting video on how ridiculous and phony the green energy scam is.

From: Jeff Durnell
07-Aug-22
Bingo. Seeking power through fake science and lies. Don't believe a word of it.

From: Woods Walker
07-Aug-22

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

From: gflight
07-Aug-22
Many years ago JJ posted a plethora of photos showing these weather stations. It was quite interesting watching him dismantle GJs arguments on warming.

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Whether global cooling, global warming, or climate change it's all a way for investors to make money. The bright side is it advances technologies.

The reality is that it's the weather.

Just compare cattle to jets and then look at which one is actually more a danger to the planet.

Waiting for electric jets ;^)

From: spike78
07-Aug-22
If it was such a huge crisis do you think Pelosi would have flown around the world for zero results? That reminds me why did her husband get a FELONY DUI in a Porsche and not a Tesla?

From: spike78
07-Aug-22
In Germany they don’t use AC even in the summer and I have proof of that. Do you think all these politicians are gonna be uncomfortable in the summer without AC while the rest of us sweat our asses off?

From: Whatthefoc
08-Aug-22
I miss the old days… when we never had hot days or forest fires.

From: JusPassin
08-Aug-22
The old days, when I could take my 12 gauge to school and refinish it in shop class.

08-Aug-22
Scientists give the money men the results they want just look at the Covid payoffs with grants to researchers that disagreed with Fauci being paid off.Same way with Climate.You should no longer blindly believe the Media or the "Scientists"

From: nchunter
08-Aug-22
The good old days- waiting for football practice to end so we could dove hunt next to the football field,,,with the principals permission. Wandering the woods with my ol trusty sheridan blue streak pellet gun. Fishing in any farm pond you found cause they all knew me and knew I would help them when they needed me. Being 13 in NC and walking to the store to buy cigarettes for 17 cents a pack and not being questioned by the cashier. Thank God I quit when I was 19. I can still remember the Time magazine cover predicting a coming ice age back in the 70's.

From: Treeline
08-Aug-22
The whole “climate change” agenda is about using the FEAR to increase TYRANY.

Kinda like the whole COVID fiasco…

Both are being used as tools to increase globalism under tyrannical rule.

The worst thing in the global elites minds are people who know what their God Given Rights and want Freedom.

From: gflight
08-Aug-22
"The old days, when I could take my 12 gauge to school and refinish it in shop class."

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Leftist media making shooters famous, Biden and his gun free zones, and the democrats obsession with destroying the items that truly gives the power to the people caused that.

Science has always been corrupted by money. Look at the poison they call Crisco.

Lard is better for you than hydrogenated cotton seeds, but marketing killed many of the greatest generation.

Gluten free, come on man! Bread is the staff of life.

All marketing with bought and paid for studies just like the hockey stick of global warming or whatever we're calling the weather this week...

From: Ziek
08-Aug-22
"...agenda is about using the FEAR to increase TYRANY."

Actually, that sounds like the Republican platform.

"Lies, lies, lies, and then when they're done with that, more lies. It's about POWER, their power, and they will say and do ANYTHING to get and keep it."

That's the very definition of Trump!

From: Dollar
08-Aug-22
Concrete and asphalt are the biggest threat to the planet.Any road or parking lot is 5 to 10 degrees hotter than a field or block of woods.Multiply that by millions across the country and you'll get hotter.A solar farm defoliates land and adds BLACK panels to absorb the sun and make electricity,what could go wrong with millions of acres of this?

08-Aug-22

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4nolz@work's embedded Photo

From: Woods Walker
08-Aug-22
"That's the very definition of Trump!"

Ziek: You'd better see a doctor, you have SEVERE TDS symptoms!

From: gflight
08-Aug-22
"Lies, lies, lies, and then when they're done with that, more lies.

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Why do the democrats always project the opposite?

Recession?

From: Treeline
08-Aug-22
Ziek,

Can you please explain in what manner the Republican Party has used FEAR to increase TYRANNY?

Below are a few recent examples pushed by the Democrats ( Marxist socialists):

1. Mass shootings are rampant (the FEAR) - Ban semi-automatic firearms! (The TYRANNY)

2. COVID 19 (the FEAR) - Shut down small businesses, lockdowns, travel restrictions, and forced injections that obviously do not prevent transmission or suffer losing your career ( the TYRANNY)

3. Climate Change formally known as “Global Warming” and prior to that “Global Cooling” (the FEAR) - Increased government restrictions on industry increasing the cost of everything, destruction of national energy independence, use of taxpayer generated funds for inefficient ineffective “green energy” programs that have never proved to be sustainable (The TYRANNY)

4. Eliminating security at our Nation’s borders because it’s “prejudice” (the FEAR) - Allowing unlimited un-vetted illegal criminal immigration from any part of the world and paying them when they get here for expenses, healthcare, travel, etc, etc at the taxpayer’s expense (the TYRANNY)

Your turn.

From: fuzzy
08-Aug-22
Treeline, exactly.

From: Jaquomo
08-Aug-22

Jaquomo's embedded Photo
Jaquomo's embedded Photo
From the Greenland Vostok ice cores. Note how the carbon in the atmosphere follows the warming, rather than preceding it.

From: Jaquomo
08-Aug-22
I ask every liberal climate alarmist I meet the same question - What is the ideal earth temperature? Never get an answer.

From: gflight
08-Aug-22
Treeline,

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Outstanding examples of our current leftists and their supporters trying to undermine our republic.

From: Treeline
08-Aug-22
That’s just the short list…

From: TGbow
08-Aug-22
If you think about, we tend to lose our liberties mostly under the banner of the environment, safety, or national security...not to mention the SC...all about control...listen for it, I'm about to beat that drum again,...here it comes...it's a common Marxist tactic..cause chaos, uncertainty, crisis...then move in.

From: bigeasygator
08-Aug-22
From the Greenland Vostok ice cores. Note how the carbon in the atmosphere follows the warming, rather than preceding it.

Little hard to follow the graph as I don't see a legend. What does each color line represent?

Edit: Nevermind, I think I see. The scales correlate position of the lines and the dataset. Kind of a weird graph and I don't know that you can really say what follows what without lining up the data better.

From: Snag
08-Aug-22
Bite-me has proclaimed it a “Climate Emergency”. That gives them authority to make any changes or demands of the people. Watch out the next shutdown will be climate based. Far reaching effects beyond what Covid could do. They won’t stop until they have their way…total control.

From: Matt
08-Aug-22
"...agenda is about using the FEAR to increase TYRANY.

How about Republicans tripping over themselves following the Roe v Wade reversal to enact state level abortion bans when the overwhelming majority of their constituents do not support that? Or undermining access to morning after pills or even birth control?

The Taliban would be proud.

"Lies, lies, lies, and then when they're done with that, more lies. It's about POWER, their power, and they will say and do ANYTHING to get and keep it."

How about Trump attempting to reverse the results of the 2020 presidential election which falsely eroded faith in the voting process which is core and fundamental to our republic? IMO there is no situation in my adulthood that has been more damaging to our country than this.

The point here is that there are $#!+bags on both sides of the aisle, and people who unwaveringly believe Republicans are good and Democrats are bad are ignorant to that reality and are unwittingly contributing to the "American deterioration" which they decry.

From: Treeline
08-Aug-22
The SCOTUS corrected a very bad decision and improved rights in this country with that decision by pushing it back where it should have been (according to our Constitution) to a Sate’s right. Now, the voters of individual states can make the decision as to legality in the individual states. Spectacular decrease of Federal Government TYRANNY, wouldn’t you agree?

That is the solid truth of it no matter where you stand on the actual issue of abortion.

I am sure that the Taliban is still over the moon that the US left Afghanistan with them in power… Oh and don’t forget about the $2 billion plus dollars of our (yours and mine if you pay your taxes!!) state of the art military equipment for their use. Not to mention how many American citizens and Afghan civilians that helped our CIA and military that were left there by Biden for the Taliban’s pleasure?

Yes, there are shit bags on both sides. However, from what I can tell, the Democratic Party in this country are totally against America and the American citizens with no redeeming qualities.

From: 70lbDraw
08-Aug-22
“How about Trump attempting to reverse the results of the 2020 presidential election which falsely eroded faith in the voting process which is core and fundamental to our republic? IMO there is no situation in my adulthood that has been more damaging to our country than this.”

Yeah, because before Trump, America had 100% faith in our voting process! Lol!

So, you’re only 20 years old?!

08-Aug-22
China? India? Russia?

From: JohnMC
08-Aug-22
To act like January 6th was worse than what Hilary and crew did after the 2016 election is just ridiculous.

For anyone to honestly think January 6th was an actually coup attempt is dumb or dishonest. If that was the case folks would have showed up with their guns, not put their feet up in Nancy's desk.

2016 Russian hoax. The candidate that lost and her team made up false information had FBI agents on their sides and truly tried to over a duly elected president. That was coup attempt.

Seem lots of folks have a problem with Trump doing what he does out in the open for to see. But when folks like, Hilary, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Biden (Hunter and Joe) just to name a few do far worse but not in the public eye you all are fine with that.

Look at the made up BS Trump had to endure. I'd be suspicious of everything as well.

From: Jaquomo
08-Aug-22
BEG, lots of analysis of the data in the ice cores, available on the World Wide Web. Bottom line is, every 100,000 years the earth experiences a virtually identical temperature and CO2 signature, at virtually the same cyclical intervals.

From: TGbow
08-Aug-22
The earth has always went thru cooling and warming trends...they know this

From: Woods Walker
08-Aug-22
Matt: I didn't need Trump or anyone else to tell me that the 2020 election was rigged. I've been voting since 1972, and NEVER in those 48 years have I ever seen in a national election where the STOPPED THE VOTE COUNTING in the critical states on election eve where one candidate was ahead, and then when they restarted the count the OTHER lagging candidate was miraculously now ahead. And I'm supposed to believe that it's legit because Democrats and their fart sniffers on CNN say so??

I know pure bullsh*t when I see it!

From: TreeWalker
08-Aug-22
Scientists that do primary research need funding. The funding typically is only for "advancing" generally accepted prior research that has favorable findings for a mantra. If you are a scientist that thinks something is not quite right with a previous study then you quickly learn to "go along to get along" as the research filed is small, tightly connected and unforgiving for anyone that steps out of conformity.

When I was in undergrad in the 1980s there was talk of acid rain and the coming ice age. Eventually, Al Gore would leave his mansion in his big SUV to fly in a private plane to tell us peons that are lifestyle is creating global warming.

Now, is climate change. How can climate change be wrong? Climate changes. The 1930s Dust Bowl did not become the Dust Century. If you were in the middle of the Dust Bowl you might say a change was taking place and would always be that crazy compared to recent history. Alas, the Earth is a really complex and big place floating through space while warmed by a star which fluctuates in what is emitted. The Earth slows and speeds up. May even flip poles at times.

We are inconsequential in our observation of the few decades of our lifetime when trying forecast the next 1000 years of a multi-billion year old planet. Sure, that hurts the ego of someone competing for a new scientific research grant but we are mere ants on a very old, very big rock being heated by a very hot star. Deal with it.

From: Jaquomo
08-Aug-22
My late friend who was a renowned climate scientist who seriously rocked the boat on man-made global warming, Dr. William Gray, used to tell his graduate students that if they tried to rock the boat early in their careers they would never get grants, and would be dumped from any grant-funded studies unless they went with the flow. Basically blackballed.

He led the primary hurricane prediction team in the world. He testified before Congress about all the flawed, rigged studies, and his team's rigorous study results that contradicted the status quo were never accepted in any of the IPCC publications because they "didn't meet standards". Eventually all of his team's grants went away. Hello?

From: gflight
08-Aug-22
Google trigger laws.

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Google Hillary and Al Gore elections.

I thought Matt was Grey Ghost for some reason.

He must be a much younger dude.

From: Beendare
08-Aug-22
Good example Jaq.

The whole point of science should be to question results, studies, whatever. Science has become politicized…and thats not good for anyone.

From: HDE
08-Aug-22
Being blackballed in the world of academia includes archeology/anthropology as well. Lot more to history than we're "allowed" to know...

08-Aug-22
I disagree with the left's claims on man-made climate change. Even more than that, I disagree that higher taxes and less freedom will alter the earth's climate trajectory.

I support working to improve pollution and being more efficient with energy but the people/societies that accomplish things like that are the ones that are prosperous and thriving. Poor, struggling civilizations have bigger needs to solve. Hurting our economy is the wrong path.

When you are starving and you see the last pair of white rhino, you don't make a plan to save them. You sharpen a spear and build a fire.

From: TGbow
08-Aug-22
Don, you dealing in too much common sense with your statement for leftist to comprehend

From: gflight
09-Aug-22
Just to remind everyone this climate change thing is the perfect political football.

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Fear of rising sea levels has been documented all the way back in the 1800s.

The only thing that they've really done is jacked up gas cans 8^)

09-Aug-22
The only thing more dumb then denying the climate change hoax, is to proclaim registered republicans support abortion. Or, suggesting Trump tried to over throw an election. And, Ziek.

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10-Aug-22

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From: Bou'bound
10-Aug-22
any elk talking in colorado yet?

From: Jaquomo
10-Aug-22
I heard some talking about the weather just the other day. They were wondering how this "global warming" is making our winters longer and snowier..

From: Patdel
10-Aug-22

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Miso fuel mix data.
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Miso fuel mix data.
They are going to keep closing coal plants and not building new nuke or natural gas plants while subsidizing wind and solar as a replacement.

Until it stops working and leads to electricity rationing and widespread brown and blackouts. Which it almost certainly will.

At that point people will get pissed, and if they are afraid of losing political power and influence, will try something different or backtrack.

If we are all not already beaten into submission, in which case they just wont care.

From: Patdel
10-Aug-22
Also, as you can see, these zero emission electric vehicles they are pimping mostly run on fossil fuels.

From: 12yards
10-Aug-22
And they want to replace 300,000,000 ICE vehicles with EVs. Where is all that power going to come from to charge them? Things don't add up folks.

From: gflight
10-Aug-22
Doesn't have to add up.....

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It's the leftist way, the white leftist intellectuals attempt their overthrow on an industry, republic, social norm, etc.

They invest in the government mandated ideas which brings more money to their pockets. Paulo Peloso comes to mind.

Then great working Americans have to figure out how to make it work after the fact and under the government thumb.

From: spike78
10-Aug-22
That is funny about Paulo Pelosi since he owns a Porsche.

From: gflight
10-Aug-22
At least ann hecky had a Mini Cooper but the house she burned down probably did a little bit of environmental damage.

The white leftist Elites sure came out supporting her.....

From: azelkhntr
11-Aug-22

azelkhntr's Link

From: spike78
11-Aug-22
I want to see the polar bear sitting on the tiny sheet of ice that is left lol

From: LBshooter
11-Aug-22
Well, first of all the original sciencetists said the manipulated data to meet their goal, which they admit are wrong.

Secondly, you know the greens were full of chit when they change the name from global warming to climate change.

And thirdly back in the 80's when they green freaks were claiming we'd all be dead in 20 years if we didn't change our ways sort of blows their alarmist claims away. 2000 came and went and we are all still here. Face it , we humans are not going to hurt this earth and to think that the USA by itself will change weather effects, heating etc... When China, India and the rest of the world does nothing is another joke that only dumbass greenies believe. Climate change is nothing more then a money making scam that the powerful a-holes in charge are putting on the American people.

From: TGbow
11-Aug-22
Yea, in the 80s they claimed there was a coming ice age. We tend to lose a lot of money and freedom under the banner of "safety, security and the environment "

12-Aug-22
Even if you have seen it before search for (George Carlin on Global Warming) it’s hilarious and right on point. Every zealot trying to get rich from this scheme should be forced to watch it.

From: South Farm
12-Aug-22
Holy crap, we're all gonna die!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe if I buy an electric car and put a solar panel on my barn I can live FOREVER..

From: Beendare
13-Aug-22
Wow. Matt are you claiming our elections are legit.

You need to watch the Project Veritas vids like the one where a ballot harvester is bragging about harvesting ballots for Omar with piles of ballot in his back seat.

So many cases…. But the FBI treats it like Hunters laptop.

From: Bowbender
13-Aug-22
"At that point people will get pissed, ...."

No, they won't. While not intended as such, COVID was a trial so to speak. One of those crisis you don't let go to waste. Let's see how compliant people are when an crisis of existential proportions is declared. And the people proved themselves to be compliant. Very compliant. In fact some rolled over pissing themselves like frightened puppies asking for more restrictions. No, in the end the people will always get into the rail cars.

From: gflight
13-Aug-22
No, in the end the people will always get into the rail cars.

Sadly, this is the case.

From: HDE
13-Aug-22
""No, they won't. While not intended as such, COVID was a trial so to speak. One of those crisis you don't let go to waste. Let's see how compliant people are when an crisis of existential proportions is declared. And the people proved themselves to be compliant. Very compliant. In fact some rolled over pissing themselves like frightened puppies asking for more restrictions. No, in the end the people will always get into the rail cars."

It's because too many people have been suckered into thinking they actually have power. They use the process in place (elections and representation) against those people because they have a cult religion of "obeying the law" at all cost. Those with fake power bleed just as red as anyone else. As soon as people realize that, it's over for their little vacation of abused "power". It's fortunate, that statistically, the likes of pelosi will croak soon from old age...

From: spike78
13-Aug-22
To extend on what HDE posted we keep hearing that “they work for us”. No they don’t. If that was the case we would have a say with laws and we would be the wealthy ones. They all live in mansions and get free everything on our dime. Does that sound like they work for us?

From: TonyBear
13-Aug-22
Even if we followed the most extremist leftie greenie plan in the US the effect would be negligible because Chnia, India, Most of Asia and Russia would do nothing. The would win politically and financially as we self-weaken our position due to some stupid failing green energy plan.

From: Woods Walker
13-Aug-22
And since when does someone who is YOUR employee think it's their job to tell you what you "need", or what you can and can't do? It's quite the opposite in fact in the real world. It's the person who signs the paycheck on the FRONT who tells the employee what they need or want! If they don't like it they can quit and get another job!

From: Beendare
14-Aug-22
It shocks me folks claim there was no election tampering. So many examples.

A jury just awarded Roy Moore $8m for the lies the Democrat sponsored PACs used to alter the election. The dirty Dems ran 1,000 ads lying, saying Moore solicited little girls- false but it got a Dem candidate in the Senate.

A total fabrication, just like the Steele dossier…. And the claim by the FBI and DOJ that the Hunter laptop was fake- total Bullshit that Influenced an election. .

From: Woods Walker
14-Aug-22
The America I grew up in and have lived my whole life is on life support. Hard to watch it die.

From: gflight
28-Aug-22

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