2017 Ford F-250 Diesel Engine Light
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I Googled Searched this: What could cause the check engine light to come on in a 2017 Ford F-250? When your check engine light comes on, this could be as plain as tightening or replacing your gas cap. Likewise, the check engine light could also be a warning of a perilous problem that could cause perilous wear and tear to your engine and come with a gigantic repair bill. Depending on your make and model, the check engine light will illuminate or blink. A consistent glow generally means something less perilous but a flashing check engine light suggests that your vehicle’s engine is in perilous trouble and service is basic hastily. If your check engine light is flashing in your 2017 Ford F-250, we greatly suggest not to drive the vehicle and schedule Ford service today. Below is a list of the most usual reasons your check engine light can come on:
The battery is low or dead. The battery in your 2017 Ford F-250 is every intense. Without a car battery, your car won’t start, light up the road ahead, play the radio or charge your phone. Today’s car batteries last much longer than they did a few decades ago, and they don't really require maintenance. The price of a new one depends on the type of Ford you drive, but check our existing service coupons and specials. Your mass airflow sensor (known as MAF) needs to be replaced. The mass airflow sensor in your Ford F-250 is what determines how much fuel is crucial to run your engine efficiently by measuring the amount of air entering the engine. As a part of the engine management system, the mass airflow sensor helps adjust to clear changes, like altitude. If your Ford F-250 is having trouble starting, idling rough or has a sudden change in the position of the throttle pedal, this could be a sign of a bad mass airflow sensor. Your O2 Sensor (Oxygen Sensor) needs to be replaced. The Oxygen sensor, attentive as the O2 sensor, measures the amount of oxygen in your exhaust system. If there is excess oxygen in your exhaust system, fuel burns faster and your vehicle will be less ready for use when it comes to fuel economy. So what happens if I don’t replace your O2 sensor? A faulty sensor can not only affect your miles per gallon, but it can cause damage to your catalytic converter and your 2017 Ford F-250's spark plugs. The O2 sensor sends data to the vehicle’s onboard computer to determine the prudent mixture of air and fuel that enters the cylinders in your engine. A bad O2 sensor can also cause a car to fail an emissions test. Your 2017 Ford F-250 has a vacuum leak. Every Ford F-250 has a vacuum system that performs a gigantic range of functions. The vacuum system also helps lower harmful emissions by routing the fumes as gasoline evaporates through the engine. If you notice that your RPM is high in idle or randomly surges, a vacuum leak could be the cause. Over time, vacuum hoses can dry out and crack, exceptionally if they’re exposed to intense heat or extreme chilly. Issues with any aftermarket items. An aftermarket alarm, exhaust or extra item can wreak havoc on your 2017 Ford F-250 if it’s not installed accurately. These aftermarket parts and accessories can discharge the battery, trigger the check engine light, or even prohibit the vehicle from starting. If these issues sound attentive, bring your F-250 to Ford and have our team of certified mechanics ensure that your aftermarket items were installed accurately and aren't causing any issue. Getting accessories, exceptionally aftermarket parts and accessories, or using OEM parts first place might cost a tiny bit more but could save you money from having to get poor perform and damage caused by poor installation perform corrected. One of the most commonplace and plentiful cause is that your 2017 Ford F-250 gas cap is loose, damaged or missing. The gas cap for your 2017 Ford F-250 serves multiple purposes. It prevents gas fumes from being released when you aren't driving, it seals the fuel system and helps maintain pressure within the fuel tank. What happens if you have a bad fuel cap? If your gas cap is erstwhile or has a ruptured seal, you can lose fuel through evaporation which will result in more trips to the pump. Luckily, to replace a gas cap isn't expensive. If your check engine light turns on shortly after you put gas in your 2017 Ford F-250, first thing you should check is to make convinced the cap isn’t loose — or that it's still on your car’s roof or at the fuel pump. Your catalytic converter is bad or going bad. The catalytic converter is a part of your 2017 Ford F-250’s exhaust system. The catalytic converter's work is to turn the carbon monoxide created by the combustion process into carbon dioxide. A damaged catalytic converter is usually caused by neglected maintenance, which is why Coggin Deland Ford offers a complimentary multi-point inspection with every Ford service. If you have an issue with your catalytic converter and don't get it revamped, your 2017 Ford F-250 will not pass an emissions test, show a lack of engine performance and will negatively affect your fuel economy. Your car may run at a higher temperature, too, which can cause extra problems from overheating. New Spark Plugs or Plug Wires are crucial for your 2017 Ford F-250. The spark plugs are the part of your engine that ignites the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber of your vehicle. This explosion is what moves the pistons and makes the engine run. The spark plug wires deliver the spark from the ignition coil to the spark plugs. If your spark plugs or spark plug wires are bad or erstwhile, you will experience poor performance and reduced power. In a tiny extreme cases, your engine will have trouble starting or continuing to run. Worn spark plugs and plug wires can cause clogged catalytic converter or damage to ignition coils and O2 sensors, large to more expensive repairs. 2017 Ford F-250 Check Engine Light
Holy hell! The truck isn’t worth much more than that!!! Was it bad fuel? Something had to ruin the entire fuel system.
Yikes, worst I've ever seen.
what was the cause? does that truck have the 6.0 liter diesel?
i would try and find an independent diesel shop, rather than a dealer if only for a second opinion.
I'm going to do my best in never owning a diesel or another Ford.
Your service advisor will be running for Congress next year.
I am no mechanic. But NO, that's not legit. I would try and find a local shop that works on diesels. That just looks like the mentality of "throw all new parts at it and hopes the light goes off". No way I am putting all that on,especially if it's running fine and only the light is on.
What code or codes are in the PCM?
One time our F150 engine light came on.... took it in. They fixed it they said. Light came on a week later. Found out that they disconnected the battery to erase code, light went off. Found out they fixed nothing but was quick fix for them. Inconvenient to us.
I did it again when I noticed you had Vin above. Used a GA zip code and mileage on quote.
I learned my lesson with a new 2002 Ford 250 with the vaunted 7.3L diesel. Never again. Worst truck I’ve ever owned.
Matt.
It won't matter, diesel fuel supply will be out by Nov. 25, take the money and stock up on food and send Biden a thank you card for climate change policy.
It won't matter, diesel fuel supply will be out by Nov. 25, take the money and stock up on food and send Biden a thank you card for climate change policy.
I just think it ridiculous they would quote the price it is worth to fix it. Next assuming it Ford dealer they will make you a 'generous' trade in offer considering it will cost them 24k to fix that you can put towards a new truck on their lot.
Rocky, type “Unlimited Diezel” into your search engine. Call the guy. He’s fair. He’s honest. And, he’s worth getting the truck to him.
If he tells you something, you can take it to the bank. And, if he works on it, he will get it right.
What code/s is it throwing?
It looks like you paid $90 for a diagnosis but instead they gave you a proposed fix without giving you the diagnosis that you paid for.
Insist on getting the diagnosis that you paid for. That should include what codes were found when scanned and what other tests they did and the results of those tests. And finally, it should state exactly what is wrong with the truck.
It appears they have done nothing to figure out what is wrong, they just want to replace the entire fuel system which is crazy.
It sounds to me like you got some dirty fuel. If it was me I'd try replacing fuel filters a few times (clearing the codes at each change) to see if that resolves it. If not, drain the fuel tank completely to get any crud out and then try replacing fuel filters to finish the cleanup.
If none of that works put a new filter in, clear the codes and trade it in to the Ford dealer on a gas engine truck.
I had some heart stoppage with my 2014 Ram 2500 diesel just a couple of months ago. It was throwing up to 8 codes and low power. I was looking at a 5 digit repair bill. Found my answer on Youtube of all places and replaced the failed part myself. I know I don't have the same problem but look at your codes and see if there isn't a fix or at least some info on YT. Saved me a bit more than 10K.
Scrap the truck, according to some there is only 25 day supply of diesel fuel left anyway.LOL
I may have missed it but what code is it throwing?
If it needed a new fuel system you would know it based on how it runs or doesn't run.
Take your truck to your local advancedoreilyszone and ask them use their reader to see what codes are causing the CEL. They’ll do it for free. Write down the codes and report back. Go ahead and ask them to clear the codes too. We can help from there.
Rocky,
Take matters into your own hands. Go to the auto parts store and ask to use their code reader. Or just buy one. When you know what codes it’s throwing, post them here, then do some research. I’m confident you’ll find your answer.
Edit: I see Joey and I were typing at the same time
Matt
If it were me I’d take it to an independent diesel shop if you’re out of warranty anyway.
Personally, I think everyone should own a code reader. They're easy to use, and you can get a decent one for around $100. Mine has paid for itself multiple times. There's a lot of DIY mechanics out there who love to share information on the inter-webs. You can research any code, and find multiple forums where they've been discussed at length. If anything, it gives you the peace of mind that a repair shop isn't trying to rip you off.
Matt
I don't know about the truck... but damn Paul, I always thought of you as a man of few words... you da energizer bunny!
Rocky, you're never too old to learn a new skill. I'm inherently cheap, and hate paying for anything I can do myself. Auto mechanics isn't rocket surgery. You'd be surprised at how much you can do yourself with some basic hand tools, and a little want to.
Matt
GG, why do I replace right front wheel bearing on my Sierra 1500 every 6000 miles? Seriously, it's 4 weeble and I have a poly plow, very light... have you any suggestions?
Scentman, do you have larger than stock tires, wider than stock rims, or stiffer than stock suspension or shocks?
When you plow, do you occasionally slide into curbs or other immovable objects.
Are you buying good bearings? There's a huge quality difference between brands. They're also easy to ruin if they aren't installed properly.
Worst case is you may have a damaged or defective hub.
Matt
Goodyear is going to replace this week according to mileage and warranty... my mechanic also stated about bearing quality so that will be an issue... Thank you GG, I will bring these concerns to my mechanic.
I’ve got a ‘16 F350 6.7 diesel
No problems in 125k.
Stay away from that dealer. Find an honest one.
Our government is to blame with all the EPA nonsense they are forcing manufacturers to comply with. Farm tractors are even worse. My New Holland only had 400 hours and needed 8k in diesel repair. Thank goodness it was still under warranty.
Good luck.
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P0087 code. See link. There's a ton of info on both codes, Rocky. Google is your friend.
Matt
Is the truck still running?
I'm not sure what "ware metals" means. Is it rust, or......?
Matt
Wholly smokes Rocky - hope that one of the ideas above can help get it fixed reasonably. Crazy to see that bill!
Same thing happened to my duramax, twice. Once under warranty and the next not, I sold it at auction. You got me shaking now, I’ve got a 2017 f250 diesel with 162,000miles
Not sure, but is the fuel pump in the fuel tank. That might be the problem. Like it has been said, stay away from the dealers, they will ripe you off.
so it sounds like diesel trucks of similar age and mileage are likely to have this issue because of the effects the fuel has on the system over time, is that a fair statement?
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Rocky, I found numerous threads about metal shavings in the fuel tanks of Fords diesels. It's seems common, and it's caused by the high pressure fuel pump in your tank failing due to fuel contamination. My link is to a thread that includes links to a fuel system replacement kit that Ford sells for this specific problem. It's $3600 for the kit. You'll probably also need a new pump. Labor should be around 17 hours. Total cost to the shop should be around $5500-$6000, assuming a $100/hr labor rate. Anything above that is profit. If they quote you more than say $7500, they are trying to rip you off.
Matt
It's the labor, not parts. When a dealer looks at the repair, they automatically charge shop rate and time of what it says the repair will take. If it says 15 hrs, they charge 15 hrs even if it only takes 1/2 that time.
Most of the time, and probably in this case, they'll have to lift the entire body away from the chassis to get to everything.
Insurance might pay? That seems unheard-of to me. Good luck.
Rocky, I don't know if you've had time to read the entire thread in my last post. There were multiple Ford owners with the exact same problem. One of them was denied an insurance claim twice. Upon the 3rd request, the insurance company sent a chemist to test for fuel contamination. He found that the fuel was indeed contaminated, so he okayed the claim. Hopefully your insurance company is more agreeable, but I wouldn't drain the fuel system until you know you're covered.
Matt
The only time I’ve heard of that type of repair cost, is hearing about a person that accidentally put DEF in the fuel tank rather than in its own tank. The cab had to come off the truck and the entire fuel system had to be replaced. I think it was a Chevy.
I’ve got a Ram 2500. I recently replaced my 2nd turbo charger, and the first time the turbo went out, it took the DPF out with it. Not cheap repairs to say the least.
They say they’ll run forever, but not for free. It’s all the emissions bulls**t that usually cause the problems. The diesel automotive industry has made a killing off of all the useless smog crap they force on them!
If that is truly the cost to fix, Kelly Blue Book price is correct, and insurance will pay. All those three being correct your insurance will total out truck not pay to fix. They come out a head doing that and salvaging your truck.
Spark plug wires on a diesel?
That price has to include the high pressure pump which is located under the intake manifold. The problem with that is it's an oil pump. This engine uses high pressure oil to operate the injectors and while technically it's part of the fuel system, it actually has nothing to do with fuel contamination or metal particles from the lift pump in the tank. The P0420 code (catalyst efficiency bank 1) should not be diagnosed until after any fuel system problems are resolved, the PCM reset, the catalyst monitor run and the code returns, which it's very possible it won't. When I reprogram Ford modules I have to buy a 48 hour subscription for $50. With it I can reprogram any and all modules on the vehicle for two days. I takes approximately 1/2 hour to program most modules. They can charge whatever they want but even if they're doing the PCM, FICM and TCM that price is way over book.
That code is low rail pressure. Fuel rail pressure is made by the lift (low pressure) pump in the tank. Low rail pressure is caused by a weak fuel pump, clogged filters, leaking injector seals or injectors or an external fuel leak. The high pressure part of this system has nothing to do with that code. Back to the P0420, catalyst efficiency is determined by the PCM comparing o2 sensor voltages before and after the converter. Any time there is a misfire or low power contribution by a cylinder those o2 values go out the window. This whole bill is what we call a "parts cannon". It will fix your truck though.
My recommendation would be to have another shop replace your lift pump and your fuel filters again. Blow out the lines between them and clear the PCM. If you still have the P0087 return it's something upstream from the filters and this part of the job would be done. My bet is you'd be good to go but anything is possible.
Rocky, do you know if the mechanic replaced 2 fuel filters? One up top of the engine (round canister type), and one under the engine(flat panel type). 6.7 Powerstroke shows replacement of 2 fuel filters. If they only replaced the bottom, the top may have junk in it causing the delayed P0087...........and in the end causing the P0420.
First, find out if both fuel filters where changed out.
"Diagnosing" a bad converter while having a fuel control problem is incompetent, dishonest or both. I'll get you a price of about what this should cost in the morning.
Diesels don’t work out on paper. They cost too much to begin with and they give too much trouble, not to mention the high maintenance. I owned two, both of them cost high repair bills. Never again !
To me, the metal shavings in the fuel tank is a pretty clear indication that the in-tank pump is failing due to fuel contamination. There's a ton of online evidence indicating this is a common problem in the Ford diesels. The consensus seems to be that the sensor system that is suppose to detect water in the fuel is poorly engineered. It really should be a factory recall, IMO.
Matt
Dry creek, Diesels do work on paper. If you haul a lot. However, it’s important to buy the correct one.
I own two 3/4 ton trucks. One GMC that is a 2014 gas truck. One 2006 power stroke.
I did send the diesel to a shop in NC. It’s been bullet proofed and deleted. It’s very dependable. And will out pull and haul the newer gas truck Like a proverbial walk in the park. There is simply no comparison.
I do agree concerning newer diesels though. To the degree that I personally wouldn’t buy a new diesel for what I’ve paid for either of these older trucks. Due to all the epa crap that’s on them.
Your truck has a CP4 fuel pump. If it goes it goes now 99% of the time. Usually from water in the fuel or just wear and tear. Yours would be the first I have heard of it failing slowly and leaving metal behind. If insurance does not pay for it under your comprehensive coverage from bad diesel I would drain the tank, replace the pump and filters and drive it. Every CP4 failure I am aware of the truck dies instantly.
I have 162,000 on a 15 Duramax and the fuel pump is the only real worry I have.
Rick, read the thread I linked to earlier. There were probably a dozen Ford diesel owners who posted with the exact same symptoms as Rocky's....engine light comes on, same error codes, same metal shavings in the fuel tank and elsewhere in the fuel system. The fix was a complete fuel system rebuild. In many of those cases the trucks were still under warranty. and in a few cases the truck were under 30K miles. None of them mentioned their trucks dying instantly.
Matt
I've been a Toyota Tundra guy for my last 2 pickups. They've been the most reliable trucks I've owned. Not great on gas mileage, though, and now they aren't offered with a V8, so I'm in limbo on what my next one will be. Every guy I know who owns a newer Dodge Ram gasser absolutely loves them. That may be my next ride.
Matt
Worst purchase I ever made was diesel in 2007. I wouldn’t own another of any make.
I currently have a gas f250. Gets horrible gas mileage, is big, heavy, somewhat lethargic but it’s reliable.
A friend has a Duramax and it seems to go into low power almost every time he hooks up his boat or trailer.
Sucks to see those bills and all the worrying about if the truck is going to leave you stranded. Went through the same thing. Never again.
“Every guy I know who owns a newer Dodge Ram gasser absolutely loves them. That may be my next ride.”
The wife has a 2018 Ram with a HEMI. It’s got some git-up-n-go for sure! It even gets better mileage than my 08 Cummins! I love my 08, but the HEMI is a nice ride!
I’ve heard there is a Toyota dealer in Kansas City that offers a lifetime warranty on new Tundra’s for the original owner. I don’t go Toyota and have a 2020 ram 1500 crew cab with the 5.7 Hemi. I’ve been very happy. I got 20 mpg going to Colorado on the elk hunt this year. It’s got a 4 inch lift too so I am very happy with the gas mileage. I put in a 33 gallon tank so I can go ~600 miles on a tank. The roomy interior and the nice bells and whistles keeps me in a Ram.
I drive a 6.7 F550 almost daily for work. Had 2 so far with no major issues but both under 150k miles. Has a heavy loaded gooseneck basically always behind it.
I've been driving an F150 3.5 Ecoboost for my personal truck for about a year and love it. Power to spare but only haul a small camper occasionally, no heavy towing. Tundra with the Turbo V6 is my next plan. It will have been out a few years by the time I'm ready and hopefully had any bugs worked out.
No problem with electric either if the price, reliability, capability, range, and durability are as good or better at some point.
Do you want to try to fix this truck, or not?
WV, I stand corrected. I knew as soon as I hit the send button that I should have said “unless you haul a lot”. I had an F 350 that had been deleted and it was reliable up to the point that it dropped a piston. $6,500 later it was reliable again. ;-)
Yep. When it comes time to work on them, they are expensive. Gas or diesel.
I had a 2001 F350 powerstroke. It was a great truck. Only thing I ever did was put a starter on it. I sold it after 18 years and I didn't need to pull a skidster around anymore. The guy I sold it to is still driving it after 4 years and he does concrete work so uses it hard. I'm currently driving a F150 that is a great truck with good mileage. However I will say, I wouldn't buy a new diesel any more with the crap that's on them. Most guys I know who have one tend to trade them every 3 years or so brfore they become a problem.
FWIW.....my brother has a 2006 Dodge with the Cummins. He gets some good fuel mileage as I believe it is 2006 and earlier don't have the mileage killing emission stuff that 2007's and up do.
Another FWIW.....I too was always a V8 guy until the salesman talked me into buying a new 2019 F150 with the twin turbo 3.5. That thing is fast, can tow more than most trucks in it's class and gets pretty good mileage if I'm not doing 80mph out in the midwest. When I'm doing 80 with a full bed of coolers and gear.....the mpg's drops down to around 19.8. If I'm light and hanging around 70mph.....it will get close to 21mpg.
I love my 2017 F350 6.7 diesel.....pulls like a mule....but I am well under 100K miles on it.......and I can pull and delete codes with my bully dog GG........ ;) Sorry to hear you are having issues with your F250 Rocky. The not so new low sulfer diesel is hard on parts....so using additives to lube and clean the fuel system plus raise cetane are something to think about.
sure sounds like it got filled with gas by mistake...
What did the insurance say? You get truck fixed?
At the shady dealer for $24K?
Lmao!!! 2017 f250
Lmao!!! 2017 f250
Will you keep the truck after it's fixed or sell it and get a Dodge?
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I had to bump this thread up when I saw this article. It appears that diesel fuel pump problems are not just a Ford problem.
2017 owner here. Just put “fuel system disaster kit” on mine. All ill have to do now is replace pump if it goes out. 280$
why I have a big block 8.1 gas. Never a lick of a problem at 192k. It will cost me less then 18K at 300k for new rebuild and transsmision for another 300k. When the diesels break its a mess-----Die then sel
Get an emission “free” diesel. The best of both worlds.
I bought a 16 f450 brand new, just sold it with 58k miles on it. It has been working only on the days it hasn’t been on the hoist. Plenty of nox sensors replaced, 2 exhaust filters, def heater, and power steering pump all replaced under warranty. Then was in the shop all of December and came back with a new turbo and stated “should be good to go now”. My gut says yeah right I’ve been burned once, twice and three more times so we’ll see with lots of hesitation. 110 miles of a new turbo the engine light is on again and in limp mode, they pick it up and I said in no hurry at all. Ford engineer spends 4 days trying to work out the bugs and find a cure for what the turbo was supposed to fix. Got it back a few weeks later with 8 new injectors and new nox sensor and almost no balance due. Ford picked up a good portion due to ongoing problems and the dealership picked up the balance of turbo and injectors. This usually works the other way around for me but I’m grateful for ford seeing the truck has been well taken care of and all the issues are with the emissions and related and the dealerships service area is second to none with how they treated this gremlin truck and the rest of my vehicles. Believe it or not I sold the truck with disclosure of the new injectors and turbo so hopefully they have no troubles but I couldn’t comfortably hook to my trailer and rely on getting to my job
It's good that you took it to a garage to get the diesel fuel filter changed out, but it's weird that the engine light came back on. Maybe it's a different issue this time around? It's good that you took it to the dealer and they recommended something, but I understand it can be frustrating not knowing much about diesel engines. Anyway, I hope you're able to get your truck fixed in time for your hunting trip. And if you're looking for another truck now, check out
JDMbuysell. They specialize in JDM cars, but they might have some resources or knowledge about diesel engines too.
Connor do you have a Ford as well?? I have a 2019 Duramax GMC Denali 3500 and haven’t had any issues as of yet… knock on wood. I don’t drive a ton. Only have about 48k on it.
The engine light on my 2002 Duramax Silverado has been on for 20 years. The truck runs fine and I service it on a regular basis.
2015 F350 Powerstroke here. Bought new, now has 180,000km (112,000 mi) on it, most of it loaded down with a big cab-over Northern Lite truck camper. First issue was last winter in AZ....had a check check engine light come on. Small shop read the code....DEF tank heater. I ended up driving back to BC (was around freezing) without issue. Got it into my Ford dealer here and they replaced the DEF tank and heater under warranty. Was very happy with that. Good truck with excellent economy and power.
A Bosch fuel pump used on the Ford 7.3 is $100 on Amazon. Go to the parts store and borrow their fuel line tools and do it in your driveway in an hour. Also, replace the fuel pressure spring that sits in the side of the filter bowl, $25 on Amazon.
Just got mine deleted and programmed 60more horsepower. Went from 13mpg- 19. Crazy
Rocky D, I just scanned the comments and didnt see if anyone mentioned it. But, they are quoting you a full fuel system replacement as if your injection pump went out. Usually it goes all at once and throws metal shavings into you system. I have 220,000 on my 6.7 and still the original pump. Get another opinion, it could be something very simple.
The 6.7 is an awesome diesel
I have mine deleted and tuned also. Basically same mileage here. I can get 20-21 if I’m being real gentle tho
Beware of posting about deleting and tuning you diesel on the internet.
The EPA is cracking down on the shops doing it the last 2 years. It is no joke and very serious tampering with the emissions. .
They raided a small shop one of my best friends worked at like they were busting the drug cartel. He said it looked like a swat team. Seized everyone’s work computers and Personal cell phones.
They charged him with a felony for each of 6 trucks they could see he tuned after searching his phone. Long drawn out court fight. They keep trying to plea bargain with him for 1 felony. That’s as low as they will go.
The EPA is pretty focused on what people do to their newer diesel trucks.
Just a heads up