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Locked Down Drives Me Crazy
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
Zbone 16-Nov-22
WV Mountaineer 16-Nov-22
Recurve Man 16-Nov-22
midwest 17-Nov-22
Rocky D 17-Nov-22
Rocky D 17-Nov-22
Pat Lefemine 17-Nov-22
Patdel 17-Nov-22
Charlie Rehor 17-Nov-22
APauls 17-Nov-22
Blood 17-Nov-22
Rocky D 17-Nov-22
deerhunter72 17-Nov-22
Cheesehead Mike 17-Nov-22
ahunter76 17-Nov-22
Grey Ghost 17-Nov-22
buckhammer 17-Nov-22
Bou'bound 17-Nov-22
Bake 17-Nov-22
drycreek 17-Nov-22
KSflatlander 17-Nov-22
RIT 17-Nov-22
deerhunter72 17-Nov-22
KSflatlander 17-Nov-22
Matte 17-Nov-22
Bowhunter09 17-Nov-22
ROUGHCOUNTRY 17-Nov-22
Bearman 17-Nov-22
Cheesehead Mike 17-Nov-22
timex 18-Nov-22
buckhammer 18-Nov-22
buckhammer 18-Nov-22
midwest 18-Nov-22
redquebec 18-Nov-22
APauls 18-Nov-22
Bou'bound 18-Nov-22
Scoot 18-Nov-22
Zbone 19-Nov-22
timex 19-Nov-22
Zbone 19-Nov-22
Matte 19-Nov-22
7mm08 19-Nov-22
From: Zbone
16-Nov-22
Don't know where it came from, don't care, but when hearing the term, "Locked Down" when a buck's tending a doe in estrus drives me crazy!!!... They are not locked down, a buck will follow that hot doe wherever she leads him... They are not stagnet, they are mobile and don't confine to one spot... He doesn't lock her down or contain her, she leads him like a puppy dog, she has the control...

Through the years have always refered to this with buddies as "Hooked Up"... "Just seen a big buck hooked up with a doe"... We never say "Seen a buck locked down with a doe"...

Guy on a date doesn't lock down the girl, he hooks up with a chic...8^) They "Hook Up"

Football receivers hook up with the quarterback, they don't lock down...8^)

Guess it's one of my pet peeves, the term needs changed...8^)))

16-Nov-22
I disagree. But, only in terminology. I got permission to hunt a new area this year. It’s my dream. 500 acres with scattered wood lots, and lots of brushy ravines and fence rows. All set in grassland. Closet thing I’ll ever get to actually hunting an area that mimics perfect habitat for whitetail deer. Plus, I get to glass!!!!

I’ve watched bucks push does into those brushy and wooded areas for the last week. They run them and cut them like quarter horses.

Each doe finally complied and starts to one of these areas. As soon as she does, every buck, young and old would stop digging her and walk slowly upto and stand guard over her brushy retreat. When they all finally bedded, every buck who had won the show, would bed a few yards away. And stay there until a more dominant buck cane along and caused trouble with the bedded suitor.

To me that’s locked down. Not hooked up. But, that’s just me. :^)

From: Recurve Man
16-Nov-22
Well growing up i never seen my dogs on lock down. Damn sure seen them hung up a time or 3.

Knowing me what ever a guy calls it I'll be out there chasing the big whitetails.

From: midwest
17-Nov-22
A buck doesn't have to travel far to find a hot doe right now. The 15th is the peak here in Iowa when the most does are in estrus.

From: Rocky D
17-Nov-22
“ Through the years have always refered to this with buddies as "Hooked Up"... "Just seen a big buck hooked up with a doe"... We never say "Seen a buck locked down with a doe"...”

Zbone, hookup seems like a mutual agreement.

I don’t think that this the case with deer. When a buck cuts a doe and pushes her off to some thicket he is not looking for agreement.

Reminds me of a bull I saw once that had a cow isolated in the corner of a while standing sideways in order block her exit.

I think that she definitely was in lockdown!

From: Rocky D
17-Nov-22

From: Pat Lefemine
17-Nov-22
I think lock down is a suitable term. The buck isn’t in lock-down, the doe is. He won’t let her out of his sight, tries to corner her, and follows her every step. She’s effectively his prisoner. It’s also a very frustrating situation for hunting. Patterns, feeding, all out the window. Your resident buck may vanish or a buck that’s not from your area suddenly appears. We’re definitely in that period right now. All my deer patterns have gone to hell.

From: Patdel
17-Nov-22
Dont know what you call it, but bucks definitely push hot does into strange places sometimes. Ive watched them do it. Like said above, its like watching a good cutting horse work.

I watched a buck try to mount a doe in a picked bean field last weekend. She mule kicked him in the face. He was still standing there with his head hanging when it got dark. I think she hurt him pretty bad.

17-Nov-22
Hunt every day and the issue goes away. Ha!

From: APauls
17-Nov-22
I'm in the lockdown camp. And they do it for that reason. They try and pull a doe into an area other bucks won't easily find her, then lock her down there. See it all the time.

From: Blood
17-Nov-22
Yes, lockdown is real. Tell me about the time you saw a buck just standing by a patch of briars completely unaware of his surroundings not moving. And then you see a doe bedded in there. He won’t let her out of his sight and stays right on her. They don’t move anywhere. He controls what they do….the doe, does not.

From: Rocky D
17-Nov-22
Hookup may work after there is a deer “me too” movement!

From: deerhunter72
17-Nov-22
We used to always call it "tending" but I can see that locked down is pretty accurate for what is going on.

17-Nov-22
I see cagey bucks segregate does and keep them in the middle of large sections with perhaps a ditch or fence row. I’ve seen two pairs. A buck and a doe. Two times this week. Bedded a minimum 1/2 mile from any trees. Glassing barren looking Fields with a fence row or ditch a 1/2 mile or mile out. Is a good way to find your “Locked down buck”. One of them is usually visible even when bedded.

17-Nov-22
I've also seen dominant bucks push does into certain areas and definitely control where they go. I think "locked down" is appropriate on those instances. The times I see a buck "hooked up" with a doe and following her around I believe she's not quite ready yet and/or it's a young buck.

From: ahunter76
17-Nov-22

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I'm with you OP. We use the same term "hooked up" & when not we say Cruising.. Yesterday (11-16) I had this guy, alone, looking, Cruising around in N.E. Ia & my son an hour away in N.W. Il. had a minimum P&Y cruising just out of range while he was in stand. No one has seen "locked down"(haha) in our Hoods.

From: Grey Ghost
17-Nov-22
I think "locked on" is more appropriate, at least with mule deer. I've watched my target buck locked on to the same old split-eared doe for 2 days in a row. The doe stayed near her regular doe group, only with the buck's nose up her backside most of the time. Apparently, he got the job done because he was locked on to a different doe in the same herd this morning. Mule deer are a little different in this respect. They tend to rut more like elk. Usually, a dominant buck will join a herd, and go from doe to doe as they become hot. Meanwhile, the smaller bucks circle the herd from a distance, like satellite bulls, or they go wandering off looking for love in different places.

Matt

From: buckhammer
17-Nov-22
You can use whatever term you want but when a doe is in estrus her movements are controlled by the buck that is going to breed her. And they are not moving far if at all. He simply wont let her.

I did an all day sit this past Tuesday and a 3.5 year old buck had a doe pinned down in a tree top 40 yards from me when it broke daylight. When I left my stand at dark they had not moved more than 100 yards all day. She tried to break free a few times that day but he would cut her off every time and push her right back into a pile of brush or tree top. By doing this it eliminates her escape routes. During the day that 3.5 year old buck ran off 4 other bucks that tried to steal her from him.

From: Bou'bound
17-Nov-22
Neat story

From: Bake
17-Nov-22
I think it's an appropriate term.

From: drycreek
17-Nov-22
“Hooked up” may work for you, but with my wife, I’m “locked down”………for the last 40 years ! ;-)

From: KSflatlander
17-Nov-22

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I think you all are giving deer way too much credit as if bucks will actually think like humans. They don't pick out a secret spot to push a hot doe to. There is no bedroom. He just wants her to stop running so he can breed her as he can't do it while she is running or while she is laying down. He is also trying to prevent another buck from breeding her when she is ready so keeping her away from other bucks makes natural sense. That's it. She wants to get away and he wants her to stop and breed. It's nothing more than that.

Lockdown, hooked up, they all work. However, most bucks are killed in KS during archery season in the middle of November. This is right when "lockdown" or "hook up" occurs. Why is that? Also, if you go out in the middle of November and don't see a buck it is not because of "lockdown." There are many many reasons why that could occur. A buck is typically with a doe in estrous for only about 24 hours then he is on to the next one. He has to move in order to find the next hot date with a babe.

Right now, is the best time to be in the woods. Any single day in November (in the Midwest) is the best time. Sure, some target bucks could be hold up breeding for a day or so but tomorrow is the day he walks by you.

From: RIT
17-Nov-22

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Locked down, locked up, knocked up, knocked down…. I don’t care I just wish he would show back up.

From: deerhunter72
17-Nov-22
RIT, wish he'd show up at my place!!

Seems like most of the time I see a buck tending, hooked up or locked down, the buck has the doe in the middle of a wide open field.

From: KSflatlander
17-Nov-22
That’s because you can‘t see them doing it in the thicket because you can see them in a thicket lol;)

From: Matte
17-Nov-22
I have watched bucks lead does out into the middle of nowhere to breed them. Stand guard over them for hours. I definitely agree with the term locked down.

From: Bowhunter09
17-Nov-22
Saw a keeper buck laying next to a doe in cut beans 80 yds off a blacktop road at 0800 today. Went by again at 330 pm and they we in a waterway 40 yds from previous location I call that lockdown

From: ROUGHCOUNTRY
17-Nov-22
I’m in southwest Kansas and the big bucks are pushing does into wide open areas , devoid of cover and not frequently used by deer at other times. They can easily fend off rival bucks and it’s hard to predict where you could set up for them……

From: Bearman
17-Nov-22
Matte, you didn't see a buck "lead the doe"

17-Nov-22
Regardless of what you call it just because some bucks might happen to be controlling the movements of some does doesn't mean that other bucks aren't out cruising looking for a doe. The difference is, instead of every buck in the woods being on their feet looking for does, a certain percentage are already occupied with a doe and are not covering much ground.

ROUGH COUNTRY, I've seen that too in Kansas where the bucks push the does out into the wide open.

Bowhunter09, is a "keeper buck" a buck that you don't throw back after you catch it? ;-)

From: timex
18-Nov-22
Terms that irritate me. Smoked em...... Jacked up.... Stud.... Freezer queen..... slick head... What are you, or I am ,,,running ,,, really irrates me for some reason.

Locked down, not so much, or actually not at all

From: buckhammer
18-Nov-22

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Here is a pic of a 2.5 year old one horned 4pt. that has a doe locked down. The does head is just visible to the right hand side of the bush. I first noticed these 2 at about 9 a.m. yesterday. I took this pic 22 hours later.

They didn't leave my barnyard at all yesterday. I was within 100 yards of them several times while doing chores and my presence never bothered them. With them still being here this morning they probably didn't move much if at all during the night.

From: buckhammer
18-Nov-22
As you can see in the pic and as I mentioned in an earlier thread bucks like to pin the does against an obstacle in order to eliminate her escape routes and to prevent other bucks from approaching her.

From: midwest
18-Nov-22
Is Thornton your photographer? ;-)

From: redquebec
18-Nov-22
I remember the term tending, and I prefer it. I like that term because it doesn't conjure up the image of a buck bedded next to a doe in a thicket wherein neither deer moves for days. Tending incorporates close proximity with some movement that is part of a deer's normal daily routine.

I definitely see less deer and less "rutting behavior" after the first two weeks of November (Kentucky) but every once in a while...here comes a nice buck on the prowl for a new girlfriend. It's always worth being out there in November.

From: APauls
18-Nov-22
lol love that term "Keeper buck" I'm gonna steal it!

From: Bou'bound
18-Nov-22
The phrase that really annoys me is pet peeve

From: Scoot
18-Nov-22
Bou is that kinda sorta like telling someone they spelled the word "gullible" incorrectly?

From: Zbone
19-Nov-22
They're still "hooked up" to me...8^)))

From: timex
19-Nov-22
Perhaps you get hooked up with a girl in the beginning but soon after she's got you under lock & key,or on a leash,or worse of all your pussy whooped

From: Zbone
19-Nov-22
Forgot to add - Like others here, back in the day preferred the term "tending" on paper which was old school before the "lock down" craze people, but as said when talking amongst hunting buddies, we always used hooked up, that was just the way it is/was...

Don't think you'll read locked down in any of Rothhaar's or Wensel's books...

From: Matte
19-Nov-22
Bearman, You are right wrong word. Pushed the doe, she didnt want to go where he wanted her to go, he made her go there.

From: 7mm08
19-Nov-22
Wrong. Bucks will chase for days/weeks prior to a doe coming into heat. Many times the big bucks will just hang out or follow behind at distance and let the youngsters do the "cutting". When a doe is ready the bucks can smell it and many times there will be an "orgy" of sorts. She will bed in a finger, a brush pile, a fence row, etc and be available for up to three days. During that time she may be bred by as many as a half dozen bucks or more.... multiple times. Does often have fawns fathered by different sires when having multiple fawns. Non-yearling does often have 2-3 fawns with 2 being the norm. I have observed this activity many times. Three years ago I watched six bucks stay on a doe for three days, and during daylight they never left her. They stood and bedded/bred her for three days and I never saw any one if them move more than twenty yards over the course of three days. This was behind my house. During the rut there was a "honey hole" patch of three acres of timber in the middle of a ninty-acre open field and every year many bucks would push does into a small area behind the lake and they would stay with her as long as she was receptive. Watched this for seventeen years until I sold the place. I have seen this activity (or non-activity :-) many times. For forty plus years I have ate and slept "deer", getting up early to watch them before work, sitting on edges and fields after work with glass, and hunting them several months a year. The "lockdown" happens, but it varies in locale and intensity... and it doesn't happen all at once in every patch of timber in every venue. In Missouri, for example, the majority (majority, not all) of does are bred on Nov fifteenth year in and year out... no matter the moon, the weather, etc. This has been determined by fetal studies of deceased dies. The remainder are bred the few days prior and after, discounting anomolies. If a doe isn't bred during the primary rut she will cycle back in 28 days later, then 28 days after that if not bred. Many yearlings come in during that second rut in Dec. Thus the reason we see younger and spotted fawns the following season.

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