Ukraine Money
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Contributors to this thread:
sundowner 18-Nov-22
Stix 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
smarba 18-Nov-22
azelkhntr 18-Nov-22
Catscratch 18-Nov-22
Stix 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
Beendare 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
sitO 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
Ollie 18-Nov-22
[email protected] 18-Nov-22
KSflatlander 18-Nov-22
Ben 18-Nov-22
Adventurewriter 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
RK 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
kentuckbowhnter 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
fdp 18-Nov-22
sundowner 18-Nov-22
Stix 18-Nov-22
[email protected] 19-Nov-22
KSflatlander 19-Nov-22
sundowner 19-Nov-22
[email protected] 19-Nov-22
DanaC 19-Nov-22
KSflatlander 19-Nov-22
sundowner 19-Nov-22
KSflatlander 19-Nov-22
sundowner 19-Nov-22
DanaC 19-Nov-22
KSflatlander 19-Nov-22
sundowner 19-Nov-22
KSflatlander 19-Nov-22
sundowner 19-Nov-22
Norseman 19-Nov-22
KSflatlander 19-Nov-22
Matt 20-Nov-22
sundowner 20-Nov-22
Matt 21-Nov-22
DanaC 21-Nov-22
sundowner 21-Nov-22
BowSniper 21-Nov-22
Matt 21-Nov-22
fdp 21-Nov-22
DanaC 21-Nov-22
Matt 21-Nov-22
sundowner 21-Nov-22
Matt 21-Nov-22
Beendare 21-Nov-22
sundowner 21-Nov-22
KSflatlander 21-Nov-22
soccern23ny 21-Nov-22
KSflatlander 21-Nov-22
sundowner 21-Nov-22
Shaft2Long 21-Nov-22
Matt 21-Nov-22
KSflatlander 21-Nov-22
Matt 21-Nov-22
DanaC 21-Nov-22
Shaft2Long 22-Nov-22
Norseman 02-Dec-22
soccern23ny 02-Dec-22
sundowner 02-Dec-22
azelkhntr 02-Dec-22
Mint 05-Dec-22
From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
Some people believe that many billions in Ukraine military aid was laundered through FTX and donated to Dems running in mid term elections. It is believed to be around 38 billion. Top dems are known to have close ties to FTX.

Could it be that Dems used taxpayer funds to finance their campaigns?

From: Stix
18-Nov-22
Or it could be another tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that middle America is tired of hearing about.

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
"Could it be that Dems used taxpayer funds to finance their campaigns?"..or Republicans??? "Some people believe ".....the world is flat, the moon landing was staged, Elvis is still alive, and that if somebody doesn't look like them, think like them and talk like them they are the devil's spawn.

Ain't social media grand. :)

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
Quick response from two bowlibs defending fellow libtards.

Seems there really might be some truth to the story.......hmmmm...

From: smarba
18-Nov-22
Nothing to see here, move along. No need to investigate any of this. But let's spend years beating Russian Collusion to death...

From: azelkhntr
18-Nov-22

azelkhntr's embedded Photo
azelkhntr's embedded Photo
This ogret is on the run. Keep your eyes open boys! I wouldn't be surprised one bit if she had a cool $5 million in freshly laundered thru Ukraine taxpayers money in the trunk of her car. It would be a freebie.

From: Catscratch
18-Nov-22
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. 4 yrs of nonstop conspiracy theories against Trump followed by 2 (and counting) nonstop conspiracy theories against biden. Some suffer through 4 yrs of it, some 2, and some 6. I don't see it ever going away now that it's so easy to broadcast a message to the masses.

From: Stix
18-Nov-22
America is sick and tired of hearing all this garbage from the fringes of both sides.

Nobody is saying how we can reign in on inflation and our struggling economy and help middle America.

I watched an interview with Majorie Taylor-Green and when asked what's the most important thing that can be done now that the R's have slight majority in the house. Her reply: Get subpoena power.

Not fight inflation, high energy prices, interest rates, things that help American families.

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
Sundowner....I thought yesterday you were talking about righteousness and Christianity. And now today you are calling people you don't really know unkind names.

That is telling.

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
I have it on good authority from a secret political operative that I met on line that one of the most popular methods of laundering money is through convenience stores.

The Democrats use 7-Eleven and the Republicans use Circle K.

From: Beendare
18-Nov-22
The $38m by SBF to Democrat politicians is well known…. Along with $20m to elect Biden presidential run.

The laundering money through Ukraine is a possibility, but unproven

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
"The laundering money through Ukraine is a possibility, but unproven"

Hopefully the House Republicans will use their subpoena power to expose the truth in this issue and others, not the least of which is Biden crime family influence peddling while Joe was VP.

From: sitO
18-Nov-22
"America is sick and tired of hearing all this garbage from the fringes of both sides"

'nough said

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
"America is sick and tired of hearing all this garbage from the fringes of both sides"

No. Democrats are afraid their underhanded dealings and corruption will be exposed for the American people to see.

From: Ollie
18-Nov-22
Hmmm. I thought this was a site to discuss bow hunting. Apparently many think this is a political web site.

18-Nov-22
A quick search will reveal how corrupt the Ukrainian government has been.

Take :5 and do some reading. WSJ, treasury dept, politico, Etc. They all reported on this.

And one of the top countries for cleaning up dirty money.

the US Treasury designated it as such.

That’s why they impeached trump for asking them to look into the Biden crime families dirty dealings in the Ukraine.

Its become an easy dodge to call anything a conspiracy theory.

But it’s been known as a top laundering location for a long time. One of the “legal” ways politicians receive more payoffs and bribes than allowed here in the US.

18-Nov-22
Crazy talk. Just because it always looks like Ukrainians are mostly using guerilla tactics with small arms, grenades, improvised commercial drones and shoulder fired weapons doesn't mean the money isn't getting where it should be. $50 billion puts a country in the top 10 defense budgets in the world but just doesn't buy what it used to I guess. Maybe shipping costs took a big bite or maybe the exchange rate ate some cash up as well.

From: KSflatlander
18-Nov-22
I hear JFK Jr. is leading the investigation on this.

From: Ben
18-Nov-22
Sundowner, I think your right. When the Dems shut Rand Paul down for wanting to audit all money going to Ukraine I told my wife the money was going there to be laundered and divided up. Then Nancy and others traveled there and I'm sure some came back on her plane. The rest went thru FTX and the retirement fund for high ranking Ukrainians. Now they want to send another shot.

18-Nov-22
America is sick and tired of hearing all this garbage from the fringes of both sides. Nobody is saying how we can reign in on inflation and our struggling economy and help middle America.

I watched an interview with Majorie Taylor-Green and when asked what's the most important thing that can be done now that the R's have slight majority in the house. Her reply: Get subpoena power.

Not fight inflation, high energy prices, interest rates, things that help American families.

Too funny and Fetterman was basically asked the same question if he had one great wish and his answer was basically release more murderers from prison.

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
Noooo, it's going through 7'Eleven. A portion of every Big Gulp gets funneled back.

It REALLY is. Somebody told me and I told somebody.

From: RK
18-Nov-22
Where the heck is shawn

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
"Noooo, it's going through 7'Eleven. A portion of every Big Gulp gets funneled back. It REALLY is. Somebody told me and I told somebody."

Yeah, or perhaps more Russian disinformation.......you bowlibs are predictable, if nothing else. And I do mean nothing else.

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
You are very predictable as well sundowner, as well as hypocritical.

Yesterday you were spouting about knowing a righteous God, yada, yada, yada. And today you are calling people names (effectively bearing false witness) and promoting nothing but revenge/retribution against people you don't agree with. There's no excuse for it at all other than your being vengeful.

18-Nov-22
More Russian propaganda. You and Az should start a club.

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
"By their fruits you shall know them."

Most folks on this site have a pretty good idea who the planted lib trolls are. KSflatlander, however totally wrong on most subject matter, is probably the only honest liberal here. I think he really believes his arguments.

Acknowledging the obvious is not "bearing false witness".

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
Obvious is what you see through your eyes, which is not what everyone sees through their eyes.

You can try and justify it any way you want to ( I was raised Pentecostal) but you're a hypocritical based on what I see through my eyes.

Which is fine. That's your cross to bear not mine. And based in your obsession with starting vengeful, and accusatory threads it is weighing heavy on you.

But take heart, all you need to do is ask, and the Good Lord will help you to carry the load.

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
Frank, lol!!

From: fdp
18-Nov-22
Lord be with Wendell. Help him to understand that even though his intention may be sincere, his professing is that of vengeance and discrimination.

From: sundowner
18-Nov-22
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/17/disgraced-former-ftx-ceo-democrat-super-donor-sam-bankman-fried-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-scheduled-appear-ny-times-event/

From: Stix
18-Nov-22

Stix's embedded Photo
Stix's embedded Photo
???Breitbart News???

Now I know it's another tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

19-Nov-22
US politics aside, anyone who knows anything about what went on in Russia and former Soviet states like Ukraine since the break up would expect that some large sums are being skimmed.

19-Nov-22
Wow, guys take a couple of minutes.

Search on Ukrainian corruption and money laundering. If it makes you feel better look under CNN.

The NY Times another pillar of liberal “Truth” also reports on it often.

Some editors do try to spin it. But if you read with a critical, open mind you will see it’s not a Trump idea. This has been going on for years, open your mind and do some reading

19-Nov-22

Altitude Sickness 's Link

19-Nov-22
If you can’t see that something is very wrong when the US president asks another leader to look into another country influencing our vice president and the whistle blower gets impeached

I don’t care if it was to Trumps political benefit.

More importantly the truth was to our countries benefit.

It’s very disturbing how naive, gullible, don’t want the bad news, what ever you call it some are. 51% of our country just wants their lattes and TV and they are pacified and hypnotized.

Democrats number one donor is George Soros

Number two is a radical digital coin scammer, both bent on destroying the U.S.

Number three Bloomberg, has sworn to end the 2nd amendment

The utopia they promise does not exist with humans in the equation.

Their version of utopia has been demonstrated many times. USSR, Cuba, Venezuela.

Why are so many people duped by the promise of free stuff. And utopia

From: KSflatlander
19-Nov-22
What was it Trump asked Ukraine for? Oh yes, a secret server. Yes gullible is the correct word.

From: sundowner
19-Nov-22
"What was it Trump asked Ukraine for? Oh yes, a secret server. Yes gullible is the correct word."

No. The truth is that Trump asked Zelensky to assist in exposing corruption.

Democrats can't have that because it would put their corruption on the front pages. So they started phony Articles of Impeachment against him. It was so important to the leftists that they pursued the most powerful tool allowed by the Constitution, knowing it would fail to produce a conviction. But it would take attention away from their unlawful activities. That's what they wanted.

19-Nov-22
Trump asked Ukraine for a secret server? I try to stay informed but I missed that. Did he want it installed in a bathroom in Denver?

From: DanaC
19-Nov-22
"No. The truth is that Trump asked Zelensky to assist in exposing corruption. "

No, the truth is that Trump asked Zelensky to fake evidence of Biden corruption.

From: KSflatlander
19-Nov-22
"I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike [sic]... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it."

Donald J Trump to Volodymyr Zelensky (from the call transcript).

Evidently you are not informed.

Coocoo for coco puffs…

From: sundowner
19-Nov-22
Trump is living rent free in liberal's heads. Cool!

From: KSflatlander
19-Nov-22
You’re absolutely right sundowner. He is rent free in my head as he and his idiot followers (who cheer for civil war and try to stop a constitutional process) are currently the biggest internal threat to our republic. You damn right he’s in my head.

From: sundowner
19-Nov-22
Well at least we've finally accomplished one thing, however useless the information may be: KZ has openly admitted he's a bowlib. Or maybe just a lib. He may not bowhunt at all. ;-)

From: DanaC
19-Nov-22
Some people you don't let out of your sight(s).

From: KSflatlander
19-Nov-22
I’m a proud liberal and I’m tagged out. Feel free to checkout the meat pole. They always go there like all bowhunters believe in the coocoo conspiracy crap and vote for Trump.

Spoken like a true cultist.

From: sundowner
19-Nov-22
"his idiot followers (who cheer for civil war and try to stop a constitutional process) are currently the biggest internal threat to our republic."

Actually, Trump and millions of American patriots like him are the people, the political movement, who will save this nation from the radical left and it's intentional slide into socialism. That is....if it is to be saved.

From: KSflatlander
19-Nov-22
Then who is going to them from themselves? They absolutely eat their own.

Sundowner…I’m convinced you as much a mush for brains as Biden. You have absolutely no critical thoughts. I know teenagers who have more critical thinking skills than you do. I hope karma gets you someday and someone accuses you of something unethical or illegal without any evidence just because it was “possible” you could do it…just like you did on the OP.

From: sundowner
19-Nov-22
"I hope karma gets you someday and someone accuses you of something unethical or illegal without any evidence just because it was “possible” you could do it"

Oh, you mean like the commilib Dems have done to Trump fo the last 6+ years? You mean like that? And at taxpayer expense? I hope you like what you've bought, Sir.

From: Norseman
19-Nov-22
Who are these new “I am a conservative, but don’t like trump” pretenders that have popped up on BS lately….?

Pssst…..you’re not fooling anyone.

From: KSflatlander
19-Nov-22
Except Trump actually asked for a personal political favor from a foreign leader (fact), Don Jr. actually met with Russians to get dirt on a political opponent (and lied about it; fact), tried to unconstitutionally circumvent a constitutional process (fact), and put an end to our long run of peaceful transition of power (you know that thing that makes America exceptional; fact).

And I still am happy with my vote as Trump is no longer in office and the republic with persistent a while longer. So yes.

From: Matt
20-Nov-22
Some people are idiots.

From: sundowner
20-Nov-22
"Some people are idiots."

Presumably you are referring to the post immediately proceeding yours:

"Except Trump actually asked for a personal political favor from a foreign leader (fact), Don Jr. actually met with Russians to get dirt on a political opponent (and lied about it; fact), tried to unconstitutionally circumvent a constitutional process (fact), and put an end to our long run of peaceful transition of power (you know that thing that makes America exceptional; fact). And I still am happy with my vote as Trump is no longer in office and the republic with persistent a while longer. So yes."

If so we are in complete agreement.

From: Matt
21-Nov-22
“Presumably you are referring to the post immediately proceeding yours:”

No, I was referring to the people you referenced in your original post.

From: DanaC
21-Nov-22
FROM THE OP - "Some people believe ... "

Apparently "Some people" are willing to believe any theory that cuts those they oppose. "Some people" are willing to spin conspiracy theories like a spider spins webs - straight outta their asses. "Some people" will connect dots between the furthest points by the craziest lines. "Some people" will fabricate 'solid evidence' out of tissue paper.

From: sundowner
21-Nov-22
"Some people" are willing to spin conspiracy theories like a spider spins webs - straight outta their asses. "Some people" will connect dots between the furthest points by the craziest lines. "Some people" will fabricate 'solid evidence' out of tissue paper."

So if that's true, then "some people" would also include Hillary Clinton and her opposition research minions who fabricated and promulgated the phony Russian collusion lie and paid Christopher Steel to create his pee dossier "to cut those they oppose". And Adam Schiff and other House dems who spun "conspiracy theories like a spider spins webs -straight outta their asses-".

Some people on this little website can't......or refuse to.....see the forest for the trees.

21-Nov-22
Sundowner, the difference is the Russian hoax involved several federal agencies. Trying to unseat a sitting President.

Treason the FBI, CIA, justice Dept, senators, congressman. senior leadership in all were radical partisans.

And none of them have been charged, their homes raided and jailed.

And the Vice President and President knew these agencies were seeking approval for wire taps and search warrants.

I’m shocked that people don’t see a huge difference in citizens protesting against the government, (Jan 6)

and power of a federal agency coming after you. IRS, FBI, Justice dept.

It’s very scary how many people look the other way when their team is violating the constitution and individual rights.

Obama had James Rosen, Fox newsman spied on, followed and threatened to lock him up if he didn’t expose his sources.

From: BowSniper
21-Nov-22
I don't know why it's got to be some complicated conspiracy theory. Maybe this chubby FTX kid just decided to steal money and spend it on himself and his democrat friends.

He stole money donated to Ukraine as well as personal money held in FTX accounts and multi million dollar loans from other companies. The Ukraine money is just a tiny part of the crime.

From: Matt
21-Nov-22
“It’s very scary how many people look the other way when their team is violating the constitution and individual rights.”

Too true

From: fdp
21-Nov-22
"I don't know why it's got to be some complicated conspiracy theory."........'cause it wouldn't make for a controversial social media post mostly.

From: DanaC
21-Nov-22
Sundowner, 'some people' here can't look at a single tree without inferring a whole imaginary forest!

From: Matt
21-Nov-22

Matt's Link
USA Today piece debunking this conspiracy theory.

From: sundowner
21-Nov-22
Yeah! Yahoo! Now there's a middle-of-the-political-spectrum, unbiased source for you!

And USA Today! Another non-partisan outfit!

Good grief! How can anyone be THAT naive? How's that Koolaid guys?

From: Matt
21-Nov-22
“Good grief! How can anyone be THAT naive?”

That is exactly what I thought when I read your original post.

Then you doubled down after posting a conspiracy theory from Truth Social that provides no supporting evidence and then criticized the USA Today article which researched the claim from multiple angles. Embarrassing

From: Beendare
21-Nov-22
The $38m by SBF is well known…. Along with $20m to elect Biden presidential run.

The laundering money through Ukraine is a possibility, but unproven

From: sundowner
21-Nov-22
"Embarrassing"

Right. You should be. And I am embarrassed for you. But good for you for admitting it.

From: KSflatlander
21-Nov-22
How old are you Sundowner…10

From: soccern23ny
21-Nov-22
here's a conspiracy theory that actually might be true...

China is paying, or more likely has blackmailed musk to buy twitter and drive it into the ground in order to get more users over to Tik Tok.

21-Nov-22

Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
Your close Soccer, but this is a more likely scenario

21-Nov-22
Soccer, and Ksflatlander Quick quiz.

Where did Joe Biden get enough money to own 3 mansions on a Government salary?

He averaged approx $80 per year over 40 yrs.

And had these mansions even before his son was funneling Ukraine and Russian oil money his way.

From: KSflatlander
21-Nov-22

KSflatlander's Link
IDK Altitude Sickness public speaking, books, investment? You can easily look up his tax returns that he released to the public and figure it out yourself. More than you can say for Trump. Oh yeah, after the audit LMAO.

Or check out the link. But of course you won’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

From: sundowner
21-Nov-22
Another rumor: Musk wants to buy the FBI. No word on whether the Clintons will entertain offers.

21-Nov-22
I don’t care where Trump got his money he was a private citizen! You may not like how he earned it

In the very tough cut throat NY city real estate business. I may not agree with his business practices either.

But trust me if he had done anything they could have charged him with.

The FBI,CIA an IRS would know it and I’m sure they have been digging. They each do have his returns

I just wish those same agencies would spend a fraction of the time looking at the greasy career politicians and their insider training and known money laundering overseas.

From: Shaft2Long
21-Nov-22
Yep. All conspiracy theory. The bank statements, 150 suspicious activity complaints. The emails, texts, even post it notes. None of this actually matters now. Got to fight inflation! Why weren’t your socialist heroes fighting inflation? Oh yea, because they had a January 6 made for tv drama to conduct.

With all the corruption between our government and Ukraine you don’t think even for a second all those billions of dollars funneling into that country was just a little suspicious?

From: Matt
21-Nov-22
“ Right. You should be. And I am embarrassed for you. But good for you for admitting it.”

The 4th grade called and would like it’s joke back.

And to be clear, I was talking about your comment and not you.

From: KSflatlander
21-Nov-22
Altitude Sickness- nice strawman. I didn’t bring up Biden’s or Trump’s money you did. I just said if you want to know how Biden makes his money look up his tax returns but you’re apparently intellectually lazy and will instead keep posting nonsense that you could easily look up.

It’s kind of your schtick to make accusations about government law enforcement agencies, the election, and anyone who opposes Trump. It’s also so predictable.

From: Matt
21-Nov-22

Matt's Link
“But trust me if he had done anything they could have charged him with.”

It sounds like that is forthcoming. Tax fraud, the Mar-A-Lago document scandal, and the election Al denials.

Read an article today that a DA in NY believes they also have a criminal case for the Stormy Daniels’ hush money payoff.

Such a good family man that Trump. Some day a number of guys here will see that he treated this country like he has his wives. Great birthday presents, but all those Saturday night he was….. working late.

From: DanaC
21-Nov-22

DanaC's embedded Photo
DanaC's embedded Photo
" Such a good family man that Trump. "

22-Nov-22
Well it’s settled then. We all agree. :>))))

Trump is a good father and Biden is a career criminal politician.

I know Jimmy Carter sure loves his presidency :>)))

I guess we agree to disagree, because we hard headed bow hunters aren’t budging

From: Shaft2Long
22-Nov-22
Yep. All conspiracy theory. The bank statements, 150 suspicious activity complaints. The emails, texts, even post it notes. None of this actually matters now. Got to fight inflation! Why weren’t your socialist heroes fighting inflation? Oh yea, because they had a January 6 made for tv drama to conduct.

With all the corruption between our government and Ukraine you don’t think even for a second all those billions of dollars funneling into that country was just a little suspicious?

From: Norseman
02-Dec-22
Who are these new “I am a conservative, but don’t like trump” pretenders that have popped up on BS lately….?

Pssst…..you’re not fooling anyone.

From: soccern23ny
02-Dec-22
Some people also beleive tucker carlson is a pedophile and that trump could bang most trump supporters' wives and they'd be okay with it. See... "some people"

....

Is sundowner related to azlhnter?

Simple, in the first days of the war ukraine needed money, congress takes awhile so people donated through crpyto. Instant and fast and governments cant stop it. Ftx helped facilate this. Seperatly they are now bankrupt and found to have committed fraud unrelated to Ukraine donations. Also why would ukraine in desperate need of cash and ammo give that to dems(also crypto is increadibly traceable/trackable)

Not surprisingly the conspiracy theory you have been spoon fed and gobbled up was drummed up by russia and propagated by Unamericans like tucker carlson who work lock step with the kremlin

The truth to this is actually all on hunter bidens laptop along with the detailed republican plans to save America.(sarcasm)

From: sundowner
02-Dec-22
Personally, although I started it, I think this thread should be stopped or deleted.

I've read what others have said....."Bowsite should be about bowhunting." They're right.

Maybe Pat will provide a place to discuss politics......maybe not. But in the meantime, I agree these conversations should not be on this board.....IMO.

From: azelkhntr
02-Dec-22
The President of Hungary, Victor Orban, is blocking the EU from sending the Ukraine another $18 billion in aid. GOD bless that man.

From: Mint
05-Dec-22
Covid money was stolen, medicare fraud is rampant so you are a complete fool if you think ukraine money isn't being stolen. Both sides should want an audit. Just like both parties should want SBF prosecuted but I'm sure he will skate like Jon Corzine did.

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