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cnelk 28-Nov-22
Jaquomo 28-Nov-22
Old School 28-Nov-22
jdee 28-Nov-22
Shug 28-Nov-22
Guardian hunter 28-Nov-22
midwest 28-Nov-22
fuzzy 28-Nov-22
wyobullshooter 28-Nov-22
[email protected] 28-Nov-22
JTreeman 28-Nov-22
PAOH 28-Nov-22
t-roy 28-Nov-22
drycreek 28-Nov-22
[email protected] 28-Nov-22
JohnMC 28-Nov-22
Beav 28-Nov-22
Buffalo1 28-Nov-22
whipranger 28-Nov-22
LUNG$HOT 28-Nov-22
Quinn @work 28-Nov-22
Treeline 28-Nov-22
bowhunt 28-Nov-22
Scoot 28-Nov-22
Bow Bullet 28-Nov-22
Bou'bound 29-Nov-22
2Wild Bill 29-Nov-22
2Wild Bill 29-Nov-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 29-Nov-22
Snuffer 29-Nov-22
Supernaut 29-Nov-22
Will tell 29-Nov-22
WhattheFOC 29-Nov-22
Dale06 29-Nov-22
sticksender 29-Nov-22
cnelk 29-Nov-22
12yards 29-Nov-22
Brotsky 29-Nov-22
Ollie 29-Nov-22
Teeton 29-Nov-22
PECO2 29-Nov-22
70lbDraw 29-Nov-22
fuzzy 29-Nov-22
2Wild Bill 29-Nov-22
Will 29-Nov-22
Norseman 29-Nov-22
SteveB 29-Nov-22
Michael 29-Nov-22
x-man 29-Nov-22
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Beav 29-Nov-22
t-roy 29-Nov-22
[email protected] 29-Nov-22
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T-rex 29-Nov-22
Lewis 29-Nov-22
Jeff Durnell 29-Nov-22
sundowner 29-Nov-22
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Bake 29-Nov-22
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jdee 29-Nov-22
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Jethro 29-Nov-22
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Jaquomo 01-Dec-22
APauls 01-Dec-22
Ambush 01-Dec-22
cnelk 01-Dec-22
TD 01-Dec-22
M.Pauls 01-Dec-22
Will 01-Dec-22
Pat Lefemine 01-Dec-22
PECO2 01-Dec-22
Bou'bound 01-Dec-22
Matt 02-Dec-22
Supernaut 02-Dec-22
SBH 02-Dec-22
bowhunt 02-Dec-22
bowhunt 02-Dec-22
WhattheFOC 02-Dec-22
fuzzy 02-Dec-22
Treeline 02-Dec-22
In2dmtns 02-Dec-22
Hackbow 13-Dec-22
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2Wild Bill 14-Dec-22
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Grey Ghost 14-Dec-22
Hackbow 14-Dec-22
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Jaquomo 14-Dec-22
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JohnMC 14-Dec-22
70lbDraw 14-Dec-22
Jaquomo 14-Dec-22
Jaquomo 14-Dec-22
azelkhntr 14-Dec-22
Hackbow 14-Dec-22
Hackbow 14-Dec-22
WhattheFOC 14-Dec-22
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Jethro 14-Dec-22
Jaquomo 14-Dec-22
Matt 14-Dec-22
azelkhntr 14-Dec-22
From: cnelk
28-Nov-22
Whatever was said or done, it’s appreciated that there are mostly Bowhunting threads now.

Thanks

From: Jaquomo
28-Nov-22
Double ditto!! Thank you.

From: Old School
28-Nov-22
Much appreciated!!

From: jdee
28-Nov-22
Haven’t logged on here in over a year because of all the liberal political threads.

From: Shug
28-Nov-22
Wow… look at that!!! Great

28-Nov-22
Let's go to full draw...

From: midwest
28-Nov-22
hallelujah!

From: fuzzy
28-Nov-22
Yes!

28-Nov-22
Wow is right! Awesome!!!

28-Nov-22
Well the Midterms are over......

From: JTreeman
28-Nov-22
I hope it lasts. Seems like a good start.

—jim

From: PAOH
28-Nov-22
It’s about time! Thank you

From: t-roy
28-Nov-22
It’s a Festivus miracle!!!

From: drycreek
28-Nov-22
Well, there was the thread that Pat started about rifle season……..:-)

28-Nov-22
:) x 100

From: JohnMC
28-Nov-22
We got to give Trump credit for this! ;)-

From: Beav
28-Nov-22
It’s a great day!!!

From: Buffalo1
28-Nov-22
"BO0NE & CROCKETT" - THIS IS HUGE !! TKS

From: whipranger
28-Nov-22
I thought the same but didn’t wanna say anything and it just be a dream

From: LUNG$HOT
28-Nov-22
Triple ditto! MBGA!

From: Quinn @work
28-Nov-22
One small step for man, one giant leap for Bowsite.

Now it would be really nice to see a few select “handles” disappear. At least until they can register another new user name.

From: Treeline
28-Nov-22
I like bowhunting stories…

From: bowhunt
28-Nov-22
^^^yes!

From: Scoot
28-Nov-22
Christmahanzakwanaka! :) It almost looks like the old bowsite! In spite of the post deleting and seemingly ignored complaints, it seems the natives getting wrestles sent a message that was heard loud and clear. Good deal.

From: Bow Bullet
28-Nov-22
Here here!

From: Bou'bound
29-Nov-22
A data point isn’t a trend. Let’s keep our fingers crossed this is not an anomaly. Are political topics being removed and devolved threads being purged. Let’s hope.

From: 2Wild Bill
29-Nov-22
"Are political topics being removed and devolved threads being purged." - Should end with a ? mark.

Ask yourself, when we get down to the censorship level of Red China, who on Bowsite will be left to notice?

From: 2Wild Bill
29-Nov-22
"Haven’t logged on here in over a year because of all the liberal political threads."

That statement begs the question, if he hasn't logged on for over a year, how did he know the political threads were liberal?

29-Nov-22
hallelujah!!!!

And wild bill probably because they’ve been liberal filled threads for two years lol.

From: Snuffer
29-Nov-22

From: Supernaut
29-Nov-22
Bow hunting is great!

It's the most fun you can have with your pants on IMO.

From: Will tell
29-Nov-22
I used to get upset with some of the political posts but now I find them interesting. Sometimes I think a lot of people don’t understand that everyone has a right to their own opinion no matter if you are a liberal or otherwise. I still wonder why there is so much hate if you don’t agree with your opinion. Name calling and personal insults are more of a reflection of yourself than the people your trying to belittle.

From: WhattheFOC
29-Nov-22
Big improvement.

There are a few notable names missing from this thread. Could it be that they are not on board? Maybe their only goal here is to troll politically. Maybe they’re even paid to do it.

Enjoy while it lasts.

From: Dale06
29-Nov-22
I too don’t miss the political threads, but I didn’t find it that difficult to skip past them.

From: sticksender
29-Nov-22
There are no "rights" on a privately-owned bulletin board. And there are a thousand other venues for political drama. But I highly doubt it's going away here. Still plenty of it remaining on the active-threads page.

From: cnelk
29-Nov-22
Remember.... if you want more bowhunting threads, all you have to do is start one....

From: 12yards
29-Nov-22
What did I miss?

From: Brotsky
29-Nov-22
Very excited about this! No more Yellowstone spoilers! :)

From: Ollie
29-Nov-22
Agree. Political posts do not belong here unless it directly impacts hunting.

From: Teeton
29-Nov-22
Ok I see a lot of support for no more political posts.

So who will be the first here that posted great no more and to then start or post on one. :)

To be honest I found myself shying away from here because of them. I can get enough of the bickering and low blows as such from facebook all I want. I'll admit I posted a few times on them. But probably less than 10x over the years. What really blows my mind was when I see business owners post them. Theres a nice restaurant near me that the business owner posts political stuff. He got like 4k friends, I actually know a few folks that won't go there because of his posts.

From: PECO2
29-Nov-22
It seems Trump threads are still OK?

From: 70lbDraw
29-Nov-22
“Now it would be really nice to see a few select “handles” disappear. At least until they can register another new user name.”

Heck yeah!!!!…that’ll work! Look at how much better the country is since we tore down statues, changed school names, and canceled all the people we disagree with. Now we can get back to discussing crossbows, bait piles, and broadheads without having the burden of simply ignoring the posts we have no interest in! I never thought the Bowsite would become so inundated with ‘Karen’s in camouflage”! Lol!

From: fuzzy
29-Nov-22
sticksender is correct.

From: 2Wild Bill
29-Nov-22
teeton,

He got like 4k friends, I actually know a few folks that won't go there because of his posts.

DUH, you just shot a hole in your argument. 4k vs. few?

From: Will
29-Nov-22
I havent opened any political threads in a couple days (I dont think), but I just scrolled down and there are still 3-4 that have been up near the top for a while on the first page. Did they get locked or something?

From: Norseman
29-Nov-22
It’s a test to see which troll brings them back to the top. I see a common troll has already failed the test

From: SteveB
29-Nov-22
Personally, I don't get the problem. You don't like a thread, you scroll by. Its simple. It's not like it takes you minutes to scroll past the "junk". It literally takes seconds.

That said, I don't miss them. LOL

From: Michael
29-Nov-22
Speaking of Yellowstone.

Any bets on John Dutton sleeping with the blonde environmentalist?

From: x-man
29-Nov-22
I haven't noticed anything different... except that the ads are gone.

From: Norseman
29-Nov-22
He already slept with her last season, Michael.

From: Beav
29-Nov-22
Easy to say just scroll past the political threads. Problem is there got to be so many of them that a guy ended up missing out on some great bowhunting threads that got buried because of them. I certainly hope that some of the great posters of the past make an appearance on Bowsite and contribute once again. This is a great place with a lot of great people!

From: t-roy
29-Nov-22
^^^^^^THIS

29-Nov-22
A break from the ads is nice. I scroll by a lot of threads. Mechanicals, food plots, scents, and some other topics I usually am not interested in.

From: Michael
29-Nov-22
Norseman, I was referencing this weeks episode. Didn’t want to give Brotsky a spoiler alert with too much meat on the bone.

From: 12yards
29-Nov-22
Define "slept with". LOL.

From: T-rex
29-Nov-22
Agree 100%

From: Lewis
29-Nov-22
Whoopee maybe someone upstairs listened my post a few weeks ago good luck all Lewis

From: Jeff Durnell
29-Nov-22
Did Elon buy this one too?

From: sundowner
29-Nov-22
"Heck yeah!!!!…that’ll work! Look at how much better the country is since we tore down statues, changed school names, and canceled all the people we disagree with. Now we can get back to discussing crossbows, bait piles, and broadheads without having the burden of simply ignoring the posts we have no interest in! I never thought the Bowsite would become so inundated with ‘Karen’s in camouflage”! Lol!"

Well said, Sir.

From: sundowner
29-Nov-22
I hope the annoying pop up ads are gone for good.

From: Bake
29-Nov-22
I'm with Beav as well. I'm good about ignoring the political threads, but when the top 10 threads have 7 political posts, it hides the true value of this website.

I hope the political threads are gone for good. Or relegated back to a "community forum" where the same 7 guys can spout the same talking points and never sway each other (set up on endless loop)

From: Jaquomo
29-Nov-22
I, for one, hope the popup ads come back. They were annoying, but funded the Bowsite. Without ad revenue, this place may die on the vine, and that would be a huge loss.

From: jdee
29-Nov-22
No one has to click on a liberal political thread but for me bowsite was becoming a place that too many threads are not hunting related and too many liberal political threads were showing up so it got to the point where I didn’t want to spend any time on bowsite. Doesn’t the tv show The View have a message board these guys could hang out on ?

From: jdee
29-Nov-22
No one has to click on a liberal political thread but for me bowsite was becoming a place that too many threads are not hunting related and too many liberal political threads were showing up so it got to the point where I didn’t want to spend any time on bowsite. Doesn’t the tv show The View have a message board these guys could hang out on ?

From: jdee
29-Nov-22
No one has to click on a liberal political thread but for me bowsite was becoming a place that too many threads are not hunting related and too many liberal political threads were showing up so it got to the point where I didn’t want to spend any time on bowsite. Doesn’t the tv show The View have a message board these guys could hang out on ?

From: Teeton
29-Nov-22
2Wild Bill, I just looked and we only have 46 common friends. So whats the total number, I don't know. My business has 24k cars go by a day. No way I would post political posts on facebook or signs in front of my business. The way folks are today it could cost you 8 to 12% in customer numbers. With your over head being just about the same whether with or with out the political stuff. How much profit will you loose. With out sitting down and doing the math, I guess that would cost me about 25k a year in "profits" Or in bowhunt terms,, one brown bear hunt a year.

From: Jethro
29-Nov-22
Its a nice change to see the board full of hunting threads. Hopefully it can stay that way. If it is no longer a political forum perhaps some of those whose contributions were 99% political will move on.

From: Bou’bound
29-Nov-22
in many of the hunting threads the politics come out and take over long aftert the title is submitted.

From: WhattheFOC
29-Nov-22
Agreed with Jethro and Bou - MBGA! Much better without the political BS.

When I go for a walk in the bush, I don’t like tripping over garbage. Suppose I could just look the other way, but I don’t want it there. Does that make me a camo-Karen?

From: 70lbDraw
29-Nov-22
“When I go for a walk in the bush, I don’t like tripping over garbage. Suppose I could just look the other way, but I don’t want it there. Does that make me a camo-Karen?”

I don’t know. Unless you’re capable of cleaning it up yourself, perhaps you should find a place to walk that better suits your needs?!

From: Jeff Durnell
29-Nov-22
Clean it up. Haul it out. Throw out the trash. I had a backpack full of it coming out on Saturday. Even found a boat bumper up in the woods... and a flip-flop.

From: Inshart
29-Nov-22
YUP, absolutely a great CHRISTmas gift.

From: Bowbender
29-Nov-22
"When I go for a walk in the bush, I don’t like tripping over garbage. Suppose I could just look the other way, but I don’t want it there. Does that make me a camo-Karen?"

What? You walk with your eyes closed and can't see the garbage? Pretty easy to avoid. If one is so inclined. Or you can bitch about tripping over everything and refuse to use your God given eyesight.

Last night as I was persuing the Bowsite, I skipped right past the political threads. I admit I was nervously looking over my shoulder for the black masked Bowsite enforcers that apparently come out of no where, restrain you, and force you to read political threads against your will.

From: WhattheFOC
29-Nov-22
Why don’t you guys go crush some political chat room with a bunch of your best hunting stories.

From: Bou'bound
29-Nov-22
Because those sites would not let such posts remain there

From: JohnMC
29-Nov-22
Personally I'd be happy if no political thread were allowed on bowsite. But if we need a compromise. How about each month similar to the "November Funnies" (because one thread is more then enough for memes) thread we had and mods allowed one thread called "November Politics". People can duke it out over all things political and then there is only one thread to get in way of bow related threads. It would be easier for ksflatlander, soccermomny, sundowner, MsDana and few others that come here for only the politics has they wouldn't have to bounce around through 10 different threads to share their infinite wisdom.

From: Jeff Durnell
29-Nov-22
We don't need a compromise. It's Bowsite.com

From: goelk
29-Nov-22
so nice

From: azelkhntr
29-Nov-22
Didn't realize there are so many anti-free speech karens on here.

From: HDE
29-Nov-22
"Agree. Political posts do not belong here unless it directly impacts hunting."

Anymore, all things politics have an effect on hunting - either directly or indirectly...

From: Jaquomo
29-Nov-22
I'm loving the "new" Bowsite!

Aznonhunter, nobody is against free speech, just against your nonsensical political garbage spewing and misinformation. Plenty of places on the web where you can post your stupid shit. Since you don't actually hunt and have nothing to contribute here now, run along.

From: JohnMC
29-Nov-22
Azelkhumper freedom of speech regards the government not a private forum.

I don't want a whole bunch of old ladies registering for bowsite and starting a plethora of threads on crocheting either. Doesn't have anything to do with free speech, it about sticking to the topic.

From: Huntiam
29-Nov-22
I got 100$ says it ain’t true or this thread be gone already ..at least 3 trump threads on the main page, I just must be seeing something different

From: Bou'bound
29-Nov-22
Now let’s not go overboard and restrict old women initiating chrocheting threads. That should be in play along with quilting.

From: Ucsdryder
29-Nov-22

Ucsdryder's embedded Photo
Ucsdryder's embedded Photo
Woohooo!!

I’m celebration of bowsite being bowsite again, here’s an dead elk!

29-Nov-22
It's just a reflection on our divided society it shouldnt be surprising.

29-Nov-22
Don’t have a great recap to post? Bump a favorite from the past to the top.

From: badbull
29-Nov-22
A big thanks for the positive change !

From: PECO2
30-Nov-22
"at least 3 trump threads on the main page" True, it's the new Trumpsite!

From: Pat Lefemine
30-Nov-22
I have been managing the political threads this week. I have removed or locked several and will continue to do so until we unveil our new design. It's taken longer than we expected but we're really close now.

Not ready to announce details, but major changes are coming to Bowsite over the next two weeks. I have been listening to your feedback and I agree that the current setup is not working. Please bear with us, and thank you for being such loyal visitors. It really means a lot!

Thank you -

Pat

From: otcWill
30-Nov-22
Good news Pat! Thanks for addressing this directly and for what you've created for us here.

From: Stoneman
30-Nov-22
Change can be good! Looking forward to it. Thank you Pat.

From: Teeton
30-Nov-22
Yes good news. I wasn't here for the bowsite format, but for the guys that post here. Most are very knowledgeable and helpful. But, I have shied away because because of all the non-bowhunting posts. Ed

From: Jaquomo
30-Nov-22
Thanks, Pat! And if you need ads and popups to keep this machine running, by all means, bring them back.

From: Pat Lefemine
30-Nov-22
Jaq, the ads are not going away without replacement revenue. We're thinking about a paid, 'Ad free' option but for the upcoming release it's not in the cards.

The reason the ads are not showing now is because we filled all our campaign goals for the month. They will reappear on 12/1.

From: Teeton
30-Nov-22
Ok two more things, was not a fan of the pop-ups. :( sorry!! Will we see a bowsite live chat room come back ?? :) I remembers year back chatting with Big Dan a lot. I like it. But I can live with out both, if I have to. Ed

From: Pat Lefemine
30-Nov-22
No live chat, sorry. BigDan never forgave me when we disabled those IRC chats!

From: bluedog
30-Nov-22
"We're thinking about a paid, 'Ad free' option"

Think I'd be all in.

30-Nov-22
The political stuff is fine with me but I won't use Bowsite any less if it isn't here. I'm ok with ads as well but would prefer they don't require a specific action to get past. Imbedded occasionally in a thread or beginnings and endings would be preferable and less annoying I think.

Good to know site upgrades are in the works. Bowsite is a treasure.

From: WhattheFOC
30-Nov-22
MBGA!! :)

From: x-man
30-Nov-22
Those of us who have been here since the 90's will appreciate a less "social media" type environment...

30-Nov-22
Make the X bigger to clear the pop-up ads please. Thanks. :)

From: Z Barebow
30-Nov-22
The Bowsite of today is a breath of fresh air and a flashback to why this website (Excluding the past year) was my go to since the 90’s.

From: Bowfreak
30-Nov-22
Rick may have slimmed down but he still has fat fingers. :)

From: Manager
30-Nov-22
Three CHEERS to Pat Lefemine.... !!! Listening to the majority & not letting a handful of some, trying to ruin this site !!

MBGA !!

From: bowhunt
30-Nov-22
This sounds like exciting news.

Thanks Pat.

From: BC
30-Nov-22
Good going Pat. You and your crew do a great job with the Bowsite. Looking forward to what's coming next.

From: JohnMC
30-Nov-22

JohnMC's embedded Photo
JohnMC's embedded Photo
Are we going to be able to use emojis ;)

30-Nov-22
"The reason the ads are not showing now is because we filled all our campaign goals for the month. They will reappear on 12/1."

Probably because of political posts

From: Jaquomo
30-Nov-22
Possibly. Hopefully a bunch of actual bowhunters will return and give this site the clicks they need to stay afloat. Charlie told me once, years ago, that the Bowsite was getting something like 22,000 unique visitors every day. It would be interesting to know how many there are today, although discussion forums in general are losing traffic to other social media sites. I follow a number of former Bowsite regulars who now participate elsewhere.

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Dec-22
Jaq, we’re doing 25k unique visitors a day. 2.2 million unique visitors a year right now.

Only 4% of our visitors post anything. 96% just lurk. Some contributors no longer post but most are still here.

The claims that Bowsite is losing tons of traffic is inaccurate. We’re about 20% down from our all time peaks but still generating lots of traffic. About 30 million views per year. There’s a lot more competition now than there was back in 2010-2011. We made a decision not to participate in social media. Not a smart business move but I don’t like contributing to platforms that actively support our demise.

From: Quinn @work
01-Dec-22
Interesting stats Pat. Thanks for sharing. Appreciate the job you do to keep Bowsite online.

Glad to see the political posts go away. Although I can see them as being valuable for clicks and hope you can find a way to put all that back in a Community Forum type format and still get the advertisers. Thank you.

From: sticksender
01-Dec-22
I feel like the die-hard bowhunting fools, myself included, will never go away no matter how the site evolves/devolves. Even with those annoying sticky ads. Look forward to seeing the new format.

From: Treeline
01-Dec-22
Thanks Pat!

From: t-roy
01-Dec-22
Agree with sticksender’s comments. Hopefully, some of those guys start posting more frequently again.

In regards to the pop up adds, maybe you could do something like a rewards program, where we would build up points each time we click on the “X”, and then we could redeem them on different things, say, like a free do over on a missed bogus Bloodtrail Challenge question….

From: Jaquomo
01-Dec-22
Thanks, Pat. That's great news. I read an article recently discussing the reduction in participation in forums of all types due to soooooo much competition on so many different platforms. Glad to see the BS is hanging in there! We all appreciate it.

From: APauls
01-Dec-22

APauls's embedded Photo
APauls's embedded Photo
Sweet relief!

Thanks Pat!!! Ooooooh, I wonder if he'll fix the photo colours?

From: Ambush
01-Dec-22
PLEASE no animated emojis!!

But the OP's forum name in the thread title would be great. Then I'd have more time to click on the adds : )

From: cnelk
01-Dec-22
Already looks like some of the old time posters are back in action

From: TD
01-Dec-22
Whats amazing is more content when some get off their collective lazy azzes and actually start threads with subjects they want to see. (or post to them less the whining....) Funny how that works.

I'm told it takes a village.... =D

From: M.Pauls
01-Dec-22
Thanks Pat, you rock!

To those that think this violates free speech, I’d disagree. This (speaking for Pat here) was never intended to be a general social media platform. It’s a bowhunting site. Removing other stuff not related to bowhunting at the owners will, seems completely reasonable to me.

From: Will
01-Dec-22
Cool - it will be interesting to see the new design. Though, with all the years I've been on here, Ill probably need to get my kids to teach me how to use a new format! ha ha ha!

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Dec-22
No Emojis' I promise.

There should be no learning curve. We're simply adding stuff, not changing the clean, simple design.

From: PECO2
01-Dec-22
Come on Pat, someone once asked if we could at least get a "poop" emojis, that would be great, along with a like button.

From: Bou'bound
01-Dec-22
Just don’t add a search function please

From: Matt
02-Dec-22
This feels like 1998-2020 and I like it.

From: Supernaut
02-Dec-22
I'm really liking all the great past hunt threads that are getting brought back to the top.

This is what a bow hunting site should look like, thanks all!

From: SBH
02-Dec-22
What Supernaut said^^^

Enjoying going back to those adventures that hooked me in years ago. There are some serious killers on this site.

From: bowhunt
02-Dec-22
Starting to feel like hanging out with a bunch of buddies you want to tell hunting stories to around a camp fire!

I like it

Way better than feeling like your at a bar just waiting for that one drunk guy to start being loud and belligerent.

From: bowhunt
02-Dec-22
I think I’ve interacted via private message with more people in the last week than I have since I found this site in the early 2000’s

From: WhattheFOC
02-Dec-22
Wow. We have gone from political bickering to more great hunting stories than a guy has time to read. Fantastic.

From: fuzzy
02-Dec-22
Loving Bowsite lately. Thanks Pat

From: Treeline
02-Dec-22
What it is supposed to be.

From: In2dmtns
02-Dec-22
Thank Goodness I have been missing the real BS....

From: Hackbow
13-Dec-22
Was gone for about a month and all the fun stuff gets taken away. ;o)

It's funny that grown men can't scroll past certain threads. Many of the posters celebrating the recent purge on this thread were active participants in political threads or have often started/participated in non-bowhunting topics over the years.

In reality, the desire to thwart others' words here simply mirrors society in general. We are long past the tipping point of living in a individual rights-centric, representative republic. We've allowed ourselves to be ruled by the vocal mobs expressing their feelings - just like what has happened on this forum

13-Dec-22
And we’re off…

From: 2Wild Bill
14-Dec-22
"And we’re off…"

And is it so awful to exercise freedom?

It wasn't so long ago there were hurt feelings report forms available to anyone so moved to fill it out and publicly cry about hurt feelings. They were a joke, that has sadly become serious to some.

How many of you hunt, with bow in hand, and nothing but the hunt occupies ALL your thoughts? If you don't from time to time consider your life, apart from the hunt, chances are you probably don't have what most people would consider, a life.

From: DanaC
14-Dec-22
You also have the freedom to NOT participate in threads that go down the same ratholes over and over. Freedom of speech implies the freedom to keep silent. (Or, for you Yellowstone fans, the freedom to say 'F* it.')

From: Nomad @ work
14-Dec-22
I have to agree with Hackbow.

In the past we had the Community Forum (I understand why it had to be deleted) & I learned more from that forum on such a variety of topics & from such a diverse group of people. Some of the sharpest minds, quickest wits, & biggest boneheads shared their ideas & opinions. At its best there was nothing like it & never will be again on the internet. The amount of knowledge that was at our fingertips daily was amazing. From Scientists, Financial Advisors / retired Airforce Pilots, Biologists, on down to Truckers, Machinists & everything in between. Sometimes the amount of information shared during debates was astounding. Most people stood tall while a few literally had meltdowns before our very eyes & others could always be counted on to give you a good chuckle. At times the people you verbally sparred with became a good friend. A lot of times the information was weeks ahead of the curve from the MSM. My friends often asked me how I knew something that far in advance & I always told them Bowsite!

As Hackbow said......Scroll past the things that don't interest or upset you.

From: Grey Ghost
14-Dec-22
Bowsite is and always has been a privately owned website. At one time, it was moderated with a much heavier hand than it is now. I remember when no rifle hunting threads were allowed, for example. Yes, the Community Forum was mostly a free for all, but it was moderated too.

The fact that the owner of this site chose to eliminate most of the political chatter is not an attack on freedom of speech. It was his right to control the content of his site. That's freedom, whether you like it or not.

Matt

From: Hackbow
14-Dec-22
Nomad - for many years the CF was the best aggregating news service to be found. For the most part, the group of individuals that assembled on Bowsite represented the best, hardest-working, most intelligent people I've ever associated with AND they were more or less vetted through our bowhunting culture. Yep, there was tons of BS to wade through (including some of my own), but it was worth it to be sharpened by other iron.

GG - your points are valid. I agree with them totally and have always supported Pat's decisions even though I may not like them. I simply find it curious that grown men want to control what other grown men want to say...especially when it can be ignored so easily. But like I said above, that is our country's culture now so we shouldn't be surprised it is exhibited here.

From: Grey Ghost
14-Dec-22
"I have not seen a new layout or function here as of yet. Waiting patiently.

Hopefully one of the new features will be a way to detect and block trolls who have been banned multiple times.

Matt

From: Jaquomo
14-Dec-22
I looked through the top 20 political discussion forums as rated by gistfocus.com, and there wasn't one single bowhunting thread on them anywhere.

Weird, huh?

From: Hackbow
14-Dec-22
I did laugh at that Lou.

The difference is that political discussion was invited here, originally by Pat. I also believe that the format, the CF and the offline get togethers have combined to help make this site unique amongst all. While I enjoy the political discussions, if they are taken away completely, it is ok with me. It's Pat's sandbox and Pat's rules.

From: JohnMC
14-Dec-22
Hackbow-- said "grown men want to control what other grown men want to say" That is not the point at all. It is folks want to come to bowsite which the topic has always been archery/bowhunting and find that. I don't mind the occasional political thread - as in maybe one on the first page. It had gotten to the point there was as much is not more politics as archery and bowhunting threads. If I went to my local sporting goods store and they started filling half the store with art and crafts. I'd be more likely to start shopping else were that was not crowding out the sporting goods with things I have no interest in. That is what was happening with bowsite.

From: 70lbDraw
14-Dec-22
I must say, this non-bow hunting thread is one of the most entertaining the Bowsite has ever produced!

Y’all piss-n-moan that we don’t have 100% bow hunting 100% of the time. Yet you start a thread to celebrate the lack of non hunting topics, and then argue about it?!?!

Bring back the CF. I’m tired of you Karen’s ruining our general discussions with your incessant complaining! Lol!

From: Jaquomo
14-Dec-22
Darren, you are correct that Pat invited political discussions, mud slinging, misinformation, crackpot conspiracy theories, you name it, and he created a padded room called the "Community Forum" to keep it mostly contained. It went away, for better or worse.

This forum is inconveniently called the "Big Game Forum". It was a place where serious bowhunters could discuss things bowhunting-related, even if a bit sideways. After some of the inmates from the looney bin (not you) crawled over here and attempted to remake this into the CF, it was entertaining at first. But when there were as many political threads as hunting threads, and many great bowhunters who were longtime contributors started going elsewhere, the Bowsite was no longer the "Bowsite".

Sure, we can scroll past all the useless nonhunting conspiracy theories, just like we can step around and over the vomit and human excrement on sidewalks in some cities. But many of us would rather not have to deal with it, look at it, smell it as we go about our daily lives.

Now it appears many longtime contributors are returning, and more bowhunting-related threads are being started. That is a good thing.

From: Jaquomo
14-Dec-22
I do enjoy how some of you crybabies love to throw the "Karen" perjorative around, as if you own it. "Karen" works both ways, Nancys.

From: azelkhntr
14-Dec-22

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^^^^ But the shoe fits you so well Karen.

From: Hackbow
14-Dec-22
JohnMC - certainly not everyone wants to silence others, but many do and have tried by posting challenging or disparaging remarks. Whenever most of the whining was happening, the most I ever saw was 12-14 non-bowhunting titles (not all political), so roughly 12-14% (not "as much if not more" than archery/bowhunting topics).

Remember also that, Pat originally invited the political discussion. Provided the CF. Took it away for business reasons but allowed the discussions to remain. Has told us in this thread that the site visits continue to grow. Ultimately will decide for his reasons (as it should be) what direction he wants to take. I understand why some don't like the threads. I don't understand why they can't simply pass them up. I really don't understand the many who complain about non-bowhunting threads that participate in non-bowhunting threads. Seems odd.

And with very few exceptions most sporting goods stores have done what you don't like. I agree with you and rarely patronize them. :o)

From: Hackbow
14-Dec-22
Lou,

"Sure, we can scroll past all the useless nonhunting conspiracy theories, just like we can step around and over the vomit and human excrement on sidewalks in some cities. But many of us would rather not have to deal with it, look at it, smell it as we go about our daily lives."

Best analogy yet....you're making me think. I refuse to go to Austin for that very reason!

But there have been some great non-bowhunting threads. I think most would say we miss the picture-heavy, leggings posts.

From: WhattheFOC
14-Dec-22
Free speech also affords you the right to choose when NOT to speak. (aka social skills)

We have the RIGHT not to speak, but some azz-hats lack the ABILITY.

MBGA. :)

From: 70lbDraw
14-Dec-22
“I do enjoy how some of you crybabies love to throw the "Karen" perjorative around, as if you own it. "Karen" works both ways, Nancys.”

…says the guy that actively participated in the political threads that he claims to despise!

Instead of the CF we need a forum entitled “Safe Space”, for those of you that are socially challenged!

One thing surprises me. I live in Idaho. Great hunting and fishing opportunities and plenty of folks living here. But go to the Idaho state forum and you’ll see that 1 person has posted something new… and nobody replies. If I want info or discussion about Idaho hunting, if I want Idaho specific info , I have to check in with the local veterans outdoor group.

From: Jethro
14-Dec-22
Well said, Jaq. This has nothing to do with censorship or controlling what grown men say. When the CF regulars entered the big game forum, quality hunting content went down drastically. The regulars, serious hunters, voiced their displeasure and participated less and/or moved on. Clearly Pat would like to maintain a forum where hunting is the topic and has cut out the politics.

Pat is building another padded room for the politicos, just have to be patient. In the mean time if you don't like hunting threads, just scroll on by.

From: Jaquomo
14-Dec-22
I don't mind an occasional political thread/forum. I subscribe to the Quora feed every day. But when it gets out of control on a hunting forum, many of us wanted it dialed back in the hopes that some of the great bowhunters who used to contribute would return and make this a bowhunting forum again. We had trolls who don't even bowhunt, like azzhat, trying to turn bowhunting threads into politics. If Pat thought allowing some jerks to continually shit on the sidewalk and making everyone else step around the piles was good for the Bowsite, he wouldn't have changed it. Why don't you call Pat out as a Karen? I dare you.

From: Matt
14-Dec-22
“Sure, we can scroll past all the useless nonhunting conspiracy theories, just like we can step around and over the vomit and human excrement on sidewalks in some cities. But many of us would rather not have to deal with it, look at it, smell it as we go about our daily lives.”

Yeah, the Big Game Forum was becoming the internet equivalent of San Francisco.

And for you guys who can’t live without, there is always Reddit…

From: azelkhntr
14-Dec-22
Jaqomole'14-Dec-22 I don't mind an occasional political thread/forum. I subscribe to the Quora feed every day. But when it gets out of control on a hunting forum, many of us wanted it dialed back in the hopes that some of the great bowhunters who used to contribute would return and make this a bowhunting forum again. We had trolls who don't even bowhunt, like azzhat, trying to turn bowhunting threads into politics. If Pat thought allowing some jerks to continually shit on the sidewalk and making everyone else step around the piles was good for the Bowsite, he wouldn't have changed it. Why don't you call Pat out as a Karen? I dare you.

^^^^ Why would I call Pat, a man I've never talked to, a Karen? I have never been maliciously attacked, smeared and slandered by him like I have by you, Karen. That really got under your skin, didn't it? LOUL! I speak my piece and my mind politely on the topics that interest me and its plainly obvious that it bothers some folks to do so. Mostly what bothers them tho is their inability to formulate a counter argument, or to do a bit of research, so they just denigrate themselves further by personal insulting public attacks on the speaker. Take my pro-Russian stance on the Ukraine as an example. I am 100% correct to support them in their SMO and they have conducted themselves admirably. They had no choice but to go in and rescue the people from the corrupt, evil Kazarian mafia dictatorship that is destroying the place. Re: 2014 Maidan coup and the tossing aside of the Minsk 1 & 2 accords by the signatories. Putting that aside, if I come across a topic and I have no interest in it or nothing positive to contribute, I don't. I scroll on by as a discriminating adult. It's so easy anyone but a Karen can do it. LOUL! Stop being the petty social policeman of BS. You're creating more problems then your solving.

This Topic has been locked. Thank you.

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