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Contributors to this thread:
spike buck 02-Dec-22
sjj 02-Dec-22
sundowner 02-Dec-22
APauls 02-Dec-22
bghunter 02-Dec-22
DanaC 02-Dec-22
greg simon 02-Dec-22
ryanrc 02-Dec-22
2Wild Bill 02-Dec-22
M.Pauls 02-Dec-22
Aspen Ghost 02-Dec-22
tobywon 02-Dec-22
drycreek 02-Dec-22
DanaC 03-Dec-22
Bigdog 21 03-Dec-22
greg simon 03-Dec-22
Bigdog 21 03-Dec-22
JusPassin 03-Dec-22
kentuckbowhnter 03-Dec-22
Rickm 03-Dec-22
Bigdog 21 03-Dec-22
Paul@thefort 03-Dec-22
spike buck 03-Dec-22
Paul@thefort 03-Dec-22
Grey Ghost 03-Dec-22
spike buck 03-Dec-22
jjs 03-Dec-22
HDE 04-Dec-22
keepemsharp 04-Dec-22
Candor 04-Dec-22
Dale06 05-Dec-22
bluedog 05-Dec-22
bluedog 05-Dec-22
Zlatagor 10-May-24
Buckdeer 10-May-24
Saphead 10-May-24
BC 10-May-24
Mike Ukrainetz 10-May-24
spike buck 10-May-24
spike buck 10-May-24
Mike Ukrainetz 10-May-24
Mike Ukrainetz 10-May-24
From: spike buck
02-Dec-22
Canada has imposed a ban on foreign buyers of cottages, land with fishing or hunting cabins. A25% tax on foreign buyer purchasing just recreational land. Ban comes in January 1rst 2023. Government says this is needed to curb speculators from buying up Canada.

A Tourist resort of less than 6 cabins is also affected in the ban. Announced earlier this year.

From: sjj
02-Dec-22
smart...USA needs to do the same

From: sundowner
02-Dec-22
We need that here. China is buying our farm land.

From: APauls
02-Dec-22
Ya I'm not usually a fan of government intervention but I'm a fan of this one. We don't need Chinese control here.

From: bghunter
02-Dec-22
Completely agree with the above statements.

Heck it is expensive enough to buy property as an American citizen. Don't need outside influences running up prices anymore.

From: DanaC
02-Dec-22
Not sure that would pass a Constitutional 'smell' test here in US, but I like it.

From: greg simon
02-Dec-22
I've always said only US citizens should be able to own US land. Makes great sense so politicians will never allow it.

From: ryanrc
02-Dec-22
It is one thing I do wish the us government would step in on. Having to compete with other countries for real estate is just wrong. Unless you live on the land/house full time.

From: 2Wild Bill
02-Dec-22
"Not sure that would pass a Constitutional 'smell' test here in US, but I like it." - BigDanaC

Ever hear of a strawman purchase?

Benedict Arnold was selling the plans to West Point.

Clintons were selling overnights in the Lincoln bedroom.

States have the right to regulate purchases within their borders. Also, https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/states-challenge-federal-control-of-western-lands

From: M.Pauls
02-Dec-22
About 50 years too late but better late than never. I wonder how easy this is to get around. I guess 25% may also not be the biggest deterrent?

From: Aspen Ghost
02-Dec-22
It would be legal to do so in the US. Nebraska currently prohibits aliens (or corporations owned or led by aliens) from owning farmland. https://nationalaglawcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/assets/aglandownership/Nebraska.pdf

From: tobywon
02-Dec-22
M.Pauls, my thoughts exactly. Seems like there would be an easy work around.

From: drycreek
02-Dec-22
Good idea, that’s why we will never do it, just makes too much sense.

From: DanaC
03-Dec-22
" States have the right to regulate purchases within their borders"

Based on what criteria? I'm still not sure 'nationality of buyer' is valid. And yeah, I can see a group of foreign investors setting up a 'US-based' dummy company to buy it. So there are work-arounds. Might be able to stipulate that farm land must be actively farmed. But by who?

(Here in MA we have gravel quarries owned by a corporation in New Jersey - that is owned by a company in Italy...)

From: Bigdog 21
03-Dec-22
Where's Trump when you need him? China is very smart. smarter then use. Buy all the farm ground then end trade are increase are prices. They want world power and looks like there going to get it.

From: greg simon
03-Dec-22
China is not smarter. Just more ruthless. US needs to wake up and stand up for itself!!!

From: Bigdog 21
03-Dec-22
It's amazing how many company's in us they Owen.

From: JusPassin
03-Dec-22
Great idea, only citizens should be land owners.

03-Dec-22
problem is our constitution give "persons in the US" rights, not just citizens.

From: Rickm
03-Dec-22
Spike, How will that affect the market value of let's say an outfitters business if you ever wanted to sell?

From: Bigdog 21
03-Dec-22
In mean time china does not allow foreigners to Owen property.

From: Paul@thefort
03-Dec-22
Just to be clear, I agree, US citizens should only own US property. But here is what I found. China owns and controls almost 192,000 acres of farmland right here in the United States. To be clear, it's not a huge percentage of our total farm acreage by any stretch. Aug 17, 2022

U.S. Farmland Controlled by the Chinese - Ralph Normanhttps://norman.house.gov › news › documentsingle

• People also ask What foreign country owns the most farmland in the United States? Canadians In all, foreign owners control less than 3% of the country's farmland. Canadians represent the biggest share controlling a bit less than a third of the total. Owners from the Netherlands, Italy, Germany and the United Kingdom hold another third. Chinese owners, meanwhile, hold just 0.5% of privately held U.S. farmland.Aug 26, 2022

From: spike buck
03-Dec-22
They are trying to manage the skyrocketing prices of Houses, cabins and Tourist resorts less than 6 cabins. Tourist resorts I think is just an unplanned casualty of moratorium. Planned for 2 years. Will make prices go down. Also foreign owners will be stuck with say, private hunting land that cant sell to the foreigners who always pay top dollar. Alot of land will be sold to Canadians for much less. Back in 1991 I bought a 110 acre land locked piece with 3500 foot of shoreline for $6000.00. Now price is in the 6 digits. Will go down for sure now. Market to sell to is in half.

From: Paul@thefort
03-Dec-22
A1: USDA records provide the best source of information on foreign-held agricultural land, although they are still incomplete and contain many errors (as explained in A3 below). According to USDA data, foreign investors owned at least 35.2 million acres of U.S. agricultural land in 2019—2.7 percent of U.S. farmland, an area almost the size of Iowa. While foreign land ownership has been reported in all 50 states and Puerto Rico, the holdings are concentrated in particular states. The greatest share is in Texas, with over 4.4 million acres, followed by Maine (3.3 million acres) and Alabama (1.8 million acres). Over 40 percent of the additional 3.4 million acres acquired by foreign investors in 2019 was located in Texas, Oklahoma, and Colorado.

Canadian investors hold the largest share of this land, at 29 percent, with the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, and the United Kingdom collectively owning another 33 percent. The remaining 38 percent is held by entities from almost a hundred other countries. Although Congress has become increasingly concerned about Chinese land purchases, investors from China currently own only a small fraction of this land, at 191,652 acres (0.05 percent of the total).

Foreign entities buy agricultural land for a variety of reasons, such as food production, wind farming, carbon offsets, or speculative investments. In 2019, 49 percent of reported foreign-held acreage in the United States was forest land, while 25 percent was crop land, 24 percent was for pasture and other agricultural uses, and 2 percent was for non-agricultural uses (such as homesteads and roads). The USDA reports that the changes in pasture and crop land holdings since 2009 were mostly due to foreign-owned wind companies signing or terminating long-term leases.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Dec-22
"In mean time china does not allow foreigners to Owen property.

No individual owns land in China. It's all state owned and individuals get "land use" rights. Buildings can be privately owned. Foreigners who have studied or worked in China for at least a year can own a residence.

Matt

From: spike buck
03-Dec-22
Paul, do you think maybe that the % of Canadians who own in the states are hiding under the flag of being a Chinese Canadian as an example.

From: jjs
03-Dec-22
Remember back in 1974 pulling up to a farm house to get permission to hunt, it was the manager's house that covered 4000 acres that some Saudi owned in S.E. Iowa, the manager didn't allow hunting do to the owner. First time I had an experience with foreign owner, the manager told me he would let me in but he may loose his job if it got back to the owner.

From: HDE
04-Dec-22
People being afraid of China is funny.

From: keepemsharp
04-Dec-22
Recently heard that about a third of the hogs in the USA were China owned.

From: Candor
04-Dec-22
Covid is going to or has sunk China. You can't cease operations and isolate and stay afloat.

From: Dale06
05-Dec-22
I elk hunt on 42,000 acres in NM owned by a Mexican.

From: bluedog
05-Dec-22

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This makes me upset....

Arabia has over 10,000 acres in La Paz County Arizona they grow alfalfa on. They ship it all back to Arabia for their dairy herds. They banned growing alfalfa at home in 2018 because of water use. They have a sweetheart deal for water....$25 annual flat fee per acre.

They are rapidly destroying the water table.

From: bluedog
05-Dec-22

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Here's one of the sell out politicians.. now a Maricopa County supervisor.

From: Zlatagor
10-May-24
Canada's decision to impose restrictions on foreign buyers, especially for cottages and recreational land, makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, these places hold a special significance for Canadians, and it's important to safeguard them from being snapped up by speculators who might not have the same connection to the land or community.The part about tourist resorts with less than six cabins also being affected by the ban. That's a pretty bold move, but it shows that the government is serious about its commitment to preserving the country's natural beauty and local culture.Well, if you're still in the market for the best investments, in my opinion, the German real estate scene is worth a closer look. I've been doing some research, and the stability of the German economy coupled with the steady demand for properties makes it an attractive option for investors like us.

10-May-24

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ironic?

From: Buckdeer
10-May-24
Another issue that was brought up even concerning US owners was the Bill Gates in NE.If he put that land in the charitable fund it will become tax exempt and could cause sever financial harm to the multiple counties it is in.

From: Saphead
10-May-24
Ironic? Yes very. So fair and just Canada. Like when we have to hire an outfitter to hunt there and they do not to hunt here. One way street with them

From: BC
10-May-24
China likes to purchase land adjacent to our military installations. Don’t think growing tomatoes is the top priority.

10-May-24
I could be wrong but I don’t believe spike bucks original statement on this thread is correct for all of Canada. Maybe it’s this way in Ontario but Albertans wouldn’t even know what a cottage is? Or what a tourist resort with less than 6 cabins is? Each province has different laws for this sort of thing. In Alberta non-Canadians have never been allowed to buy farmland, yet in the neighbouring province of Saskatchewan non Canadians can buy farmland. They can also buy recreational land but their isn’t any 25% tax that my Saskatchewan/Alberta guide is aware of?

From: spike buck
10-May-24
Trudopes law... Federal across Canada. Mostly for houses, apartment buildings and land with a house. He might have refined rules since then. Vacant land does not count. This was posted in 2022.

From: spike buck
10-May-24
Includes Alberta.

10-May-24

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Sorry spikebuck, my mistake. That makes sense, not farmland, my misunderstanding. It’s so easy for foreigners to get around these laws though, Chinese drug dealers are laundering money through Canadian banks, Casinos and shell companies like crazy and driving up house prices. The governments all turn a blind eye to it and give small fines to the banks if caught. Corrupt, China owned politicians help it all out, Turdeau included.

The news has to use the term “could” face fines of 2 billion, yeah right!?

10-May-24

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It’s still ongoing, Toronto area and other big Canadian cities are greatly affected by it too. The 25% tax would just be the federal governments cut of the deal and the BC government gets a cut of provincial Casino revenue!

You can bet this laundered money is used to buy land and homes in the USA too. With the AVERAGE home price in greater HONGCOUVER at $1.3 million, you just buy the house with drug money and use the bank line of credit on your home to buy a vacation home in Arizona for half that!

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