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Bou'bound 25-Feb-23
Bou'bound 25-Feb-23
Huntcell 25-Feb-23
WV Mountaineer 25-Feb-23
Bou'bound 25-Feb-23
Bou'bound 25-Feb-23
Corax_latrans 25-Feb-23
fdp 25-Feb-23
WV Mountaineer 25-Feb-23
bluesman 25-Feb-23
bluesman 25-Feb-23
Bou’bound 25-Feb-23
WV Mountaineer 25-Feb-23
midwest 25-Feb-23
MA-PAdeerslayer 25-Feb-23
badbull 25-Feb-23
Aluminum Rain 25-Feb-23
drycreek 25-Feb-23
Hackbow 25-Feb-23
Hackbow 25-Feb-23
bluesman 26-Feb-23
Thornton 26-Feb-23
bluesman 26-Feb-23
hawkeye in PA 26-Feb-23
Bou'bound 26-Feb-23
3arrows 26-Feb-23
Highlife 26-Feb-23
Highlife 26-Feb-23
RK 26-Feb-23
shade mt 26-Feb-23
WV Mountaineer 26-Feb-23
bluesman 26-Feb-23
70lbDraw 26-Feb-23
Stayfit 26-Feb-23
LBshooter 26-Feb-23
MA-PAdeerslayer 26-Feb-23
SteveB 26-Feb-23
Mint 27-Feb-23
JohnMC 27-Feb-23
Rut Nut 27-Feb-23
Bowbender 27-Feb-23
Bowbender 27-Feb-23
Mint 27-Feb-23
JohnMC 27-Feb-23
Bowbender 27-Feb-23
Mint 27-Feb-23
Jack Whitmrie jr 27-Feb-23
Corax_latrans 27-Feb-23
RK 27-Feb-23
Thornton 27-Feb-23
LBshooter 27-Feb-23
Bowbender 28-Feb-23
redneck hunter 28-Feb-23
Bou’bound 28-Feb-23
jjs 28-Feb-23
Dale06 28-Feb-23
Rut Nut 28-Feb-23
Two dogs mobile 28-Feb-23
TreeWalker 01-Mar-23
TonyBear 01-Mar-23
goelk 01-Mar-23
Bou'bound 01-Mar-23
elkmtngear 01-Mar-23
Jack Whitmrie jr 19-May-23
TGbow 19-May-23
DonVathome 19-May-23
Corax_latrans 19-May-23
7mm08 19-May-23
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Bake 19-May-23
Juancho 19-May-23
Iowa booner hunter 20-May-23
Mint 20-May-23
LUNG$HOT 20-May-23
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Corax_latrans 20-May-23
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From: Bou'bound
25-Feb-23

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In Georgia. Surprise they were pit bulls what’s new with those menaces.

From: Bou'bound
25-Feb-23

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Oh surprise another fatal mauling of four people by these wonderful beasts

From: Huntcell
25-Feb-23
“The dogs were identified as American Staffordshire Terriers,“

Look like, act like pit bulls what a nice homey, small sophisticated lap dog kinda name “American Staffordshire Terriers”

Still a pit bull.

25-Feb-23
I wouldn’t be too stuck on the breeds. I’ve had to defend myself from collies, blue healers, hounds, and mutts while cruising timber.

It never is the breed in the cases of domesticated dogs roaming unchecked in a pack. It’s their lineage that takes over. I even had a beagle in a pack trying to bite me one time.

From: Bou'bound
25-Feb-23

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It’s not the breed. Funny

From: Bou'bound
25-Feb-23

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Not fit to be around humans like other breeds

25-Feb-23
No argument from me.

From: fdp
25-Feb-23
The problem with dogs is their owners and trainers. We've raised Pit Bulls, German Shepherds and Cane Corso's for years and never had a problem. And have never had a report of a dog from our kennel ever having been a threat to a yo e if it wasn't defending it's family or handler.

25-Feb-23
SMH. I never said pit bulls weren’t more prone to be dangerous. I said all breeds, when packed up and running in the woods are dangerous.

From: bluesman
25-Feb-23
No, breeds have tendencies bred in them . PIT Bulls Have been bred for aggression . And look at the statistics . There was a special on the breed years ago . Many Medical doctors in the United States want the breeding stopped . In the special , one owner , took painstaking research on breeding to own two passive pitbulls and her dogs ripped a child out of her arms and killed the child .

Take a Labrador from hunting lineage, he gets crazy excited smelling a gamebird as a pup without any training . Pitbulls have violence bred in them .

From: bluesman
25-Feb-23
Pitbulls are ticking time bombs

From: Bou’bound
25-Feb-23
Kill em all

25-Feb-23
Reading comprehension and applied common sense is a fading quality amongst some bowsite’rs.

From: midwest
25-Feb-23
I don't trust the breed. Don't want my grandkids or dogs around them.

25-Feb-23
Midwest x2…but my kids, no grandkids here lol. We were very close to an issue a few years ago bird hunting with a guy who walked her Doberman pincher off leash (illegally) on a WMA land. He came very close to taking a #5 as he was backing my brother twords a pretty steep cliff edge and he had our dog by his collar so they wouldn’t get into it… yet the guys telling me he’s friendly and only wants to play….another two steps he woulda been a friendly taxidermy project for the family

From: badbull
25-Feb-23
My best friend's sister was attacked in her driveway by a pitbull. She almost lost her leg. I could barely stand to look at the photos of her leg. Some of her leg looked like hamburger. They are the worst but years ago I was almost attacked by a Doberman while pheasant hunting a friend's property. He came snarling and growling from an adjacent property about 70 yards away. He slid to a stop at my feet as he stared at my throat snarling. I think that he may have realized that he was a foot or two away from getting blasted in the head from my 12guage which was off safety. With my Remington in hand, l was able to back him off slowly as he snarled at me as if he knew the shotgun was a weapon. Very glad that I did not need to use it.

25-Feb-23
Bou x 2. Kill em all. The owner of any dog that kills someone should get the chair also.

From: drycreek
25-Feb-23
I don’t like pits, but I have to agree with WV, any dog can be aggressive, especially when they pack up. Several dogs will do what one won’t, kinda like gangs in the big cities. I’ve had nondescript dogs try to bite me, and a Doberman act like a puppy. I’ve been to many a house looking to buy clay or gravel in my days in the oilfield and you just can’t tell what dog will act aggressively on his own turf. But those front porch layabouts will roam with other dogs and act ugly if you let them, and the owners will probably never know.

From: Hackbow
25-Feb-23

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I've been around plenty of friendly and sweet pits. They should all be exterminated. Maybe RK is up to the task.

From: Hackbow
25-Feb-23

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A little more recent numbers from a Pit Bull friendly group.

From: bluesman
26-Feb-23
67 % fatalities pitbulls , ALL OTHER BREEDS COMBINED 33% ...

kinda confirms it doesn't it .

From: Thornton
26-Feb-23
"Kill'em all"... Boubound, I'm curious, do you you have some childhood trauma from a dog you never resolved, and instead shoot them in an attempt to conquer your fear?

Grew up visiting farms and ranches, unannounced with my father who both sold crop insurance and served as an adjuster. From the age of 5 on up, I had many encounters with grouchy country dogs just defending their boundaries. Learned real quick not to make sudden moves and let them sniff me over. Still works today when I'm running my landscaping business in unfamiliar yards when people forget to put their dogs up. Never been bit once.

Every male lab I've had is very protective, border line aggressive with strangers. Kinda nice to know when the girlfriend is jogging nobody is going to bother her.

Idiot cop in my county is under scrutiny for shooting a country dog 2 years ago and someone finally leaked the video after the county decided to give him a K9. The dog he shot was acting completely normal, laying in the driveway until the cop barged in. Chickenshit ruined a family's life because he had no knowledge of dog behavior and had a pistol to cover his insecurities.

From: bluesman
26-Feb-23
Thornton , it's also nice to know .... the chances of your labrador attacking and killing or severely injuring someone is .. slim and nil .. and slim just took a bus to Chicago. Most dogs are good dogs , but there are breeds that have a tendency to more aggression and violence . ....it's Genetics .

26-Feb-23
Retired from a electric utility company, have had my experiences with all kind of dogs through the years while "trespassing" on ROW's. The common black lab breed caused me the most issues. Although all breeds may become very territorial.

From: Bou'bound
26-Feb-23
If one of wolf killed One person we would Push for extermination and major legislation but pit bulls find a common group Of deniers that act like all Dog breeds are homogenous

From: 3arrows
26-Feb-23
Hunter fault not being able to defend himself.

From: Highlife
26-Feb-23
Why haven't you answered Thornton?

From: Highlife
26-Feb-23
Any dog can be aggressive no kidding I watched a young Irish setter wanting a piece of a Great Dane this Saturday at an archery event.

From: RK
26-Feb-23
Hackbow

I’m up for it but just wrapped up deer but still busy with hogs and such. Happy to revisit it in a month or two. Seems like San Antonio area is a good place to start

From: shade mt
26-Feb-23
I grew up with this problem. When i was a teenager i was treed by feral dogs pretty regular while trapping. owner left the dogs run loose and they bred like rats, They finally caught up with the guy and he got a huge fine for it.

I like dogs, always had a dog...but if my dog did this......he'd get a lead pill.

You dog lovers that don't like that kind of talk?....fine, keep yer mutt at home, and under control....problem solved

26-Feb-23
Nope. I kept Bailey’s in business buying hickory biltmore sticks. They come with brass caps fitted over both ends to keep them from cracking.

I killed a coyote with one. And readjusted several dogs attitudes with a few more. Once you bust the brass cap off, they splinter when hitting something hard. Time for a new one.

From: bluesman
26-Feb-23
Because I live where there is a high density of apex predators. I carry pepper spray and a knife when I walk or hunt . Lucky to have never had to use it yet. Have not run into any feral dogs yet. Once had two coyotes * believe it or not coming right at me on a forestry road acting aggressive.. I doubled down and ran at them and they headed the opposite direction . I had pepperspray and a knife . I was turkey hunting . Usually I'm aways away from ranches so dogs aren't a problem when I big game bowhunt . Asking g permission for pheasant hunting for years I was always careful when the farm dog come running up . Let em smell ya by carefully and slowly offering the back of your hand . Worked . The odd one I wouldn't get out of .y truck if they were going ballistic

From: 70lbDraw
26-Feb-23
I won’t go into the woods here in Idaho without my LCR on my side. We’ve had an increase in feral dogs and people in the last few years. They squat in the backwoods and sometimes you have no idea they’re there until you’re standing in the middle of their camp.

Too bad we don’t deal with humans with the same swiftness and aggression that we do with animals when they attack!!?

From: Stayfit
26-Feb-23
bluesman is spot on...

From: LBshooter
26-Feb-23
There are no bad dogs just bad owners. Sad and such a waste. Another reason to carry , you just never know.

26-Feb-23
Even with the dogs tho, I think I feel safer in the woods with them without a gun than I do at the grocery store in town with my handgun….two legged creatures are my main LTC reason.

From: SteveB
26-Feb-23
Over the years I’ve had to dispatch a few aggressive canines. No evidence. No regrets.

From: Mint
27-Feb-23

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The American Pitbull Terrier were bred to be aggressive to other dogs and were actually bred to not be aggressive to humans. It's funny how bow hunters can be so ignorant when we ourselves are cast by anti hunters as liking to wound, and torture and bowhunting is cruel etc. Attached is the mission statement from the ASPCA on APT if anyone would like some info from experts on dogs. Unfortunately the breed has become a favorite of people that are lowlifes and can't even raise their children to be responsible adults let alone a dog.

From: JohnMC
27-Feb-23

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Here is some more from the ASPCA. Their position on hunting. I figure they equally right on both subjects or wrong.

From: Rut Nut
27-Feb-23
I carry my Taurus Judge when I’m in the woods doing anything! Bowhunting, hiking, backpacking, Mtn biking, camping etc..................I feel naked without it! : (

I have it loaded with three .45 rounds (for 2/4 legged critters) and two .410’s for snakes....................

I was a Boy Scout in my younger days and live by the motto: BE PREPARED! ;-)

From: Bowbender
27-Feb-23
Mint,

We've had this discussion before. Attached is a story, shared before, of an owner that was attacked an eaten by her two pits. The web is replete with articles, of "loving pits that would smother you with kisses" that snapped shit and mauled or killed their owner, kids, stranger...

Pits are responsible for 70% of attacks and fatalities. By a magnitude over other breeds. It's a breed issue. A please, for the love of God, don't trot out your AR comparison from before.

From: Bowbender
27-Feb-23

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From: Mint
27-Feb-23
Bowbender, I'm well aware of that attack and the woman's Father actually starved the dogs and kept them caged until they went feral. At that point there were no different than a wild animal that was starving. I'm all for personal responsibility and holding the owners responsible if they have a dangerous dog that hurts someone. Same with firearm ownership and throwing the book at drunk drivers. I want the government and liberals out of my life and making new stupid laws that won't be enforced on the very people where the problem is. The country is a cesspool right now since we are letting criminals roam free.

From: JohnMC
27-Feb-23
Mint the point is not if a Pit Bull can be a good pet. It is that a lot of time they are not. It might even be rarely they are a problem but when they are someone gets killed or severely hurt. Why have a Pit Bull as a pet that do, and the statistics back it up, much more often than any other bred hurt and kill people when there are so many more breeds that concern of that happen it so much less.

From: Bowbender
27-Feb-23
Mint,

That is still up for debate if the dogs were starved. What isn’t, is the fact 20% of the dogs cause 70% of bites and fatalities. And please, guns just don’t lose their shit and go off and rip a kids face off. Or eat their owner.

From: Mint
27-Feb-23
My friends and I have had pitbulls for over 30 years and never came close to having a problem with them. Any breed doesn't just snap, there are plenty of warning signs, and most likely a reason why the attack happened. But I do agree A LOT OF PEOPLE shouldn't own pits, rotties, german shepherds or any large breed. There is a young couple that walks a lab, well the lab walks them and is very aggressive and sooner or later that dog is going to hurt someone. They shouldn't own a powerful breed of dog and should own a small breed since they haven't a clue on how to train a dog. Like i said hold the owner ultimately responsible just like the drunk driver should be held responsible but unfortunately our society usually lets them off with a slap on the wrist. Much more likely to get killed by a drunk driver than a pitbull but when a dog kills someone it's all over the news.

27-Feb-23
Pitts are not welcome on my property.

27-Feb-23
Yeah, my dad had way too many kids come through the ER and never go home.

I was reading some of those stats and like the “stay away from the shoulder” thread, it’s what’s NOT there that got my attention…. Kids are the solid majority of victims but none of the vics who required hospitalization were kids.

I’m not sure that’s factual, but if it is, it’s terrifying.

And not-for-nothing… I’d need to know more details, but I’m curious as to whether there’s not a case to be made for a manslaughter or murder charge against the guy whose daughter got eaten…

From: RK
27-Feb-23
Mint. Let us know when the young couples lab kills and eats someone

You have to disqualify yourself on pi'ts simply because you own them a d you love them and that swats your looking at the data in a non bias way.

In honesty my 4 month old lab knocked a one year old Down Sunday and licked All of the peanut butter off of him. I guess she was in pre kill mode

From: Thornton
27-Feb-23
So....I've been treating patients in ERs all across the state of Kansas from KCK to extreme SW KS for the last 17 years and I've yet to see anything I would remotely consider a mauling. Keep in mind, pit bulls are the dog of choice here in amongst certain ethnicities and I've been here exactly 6 years working major ERs.

From: LBshooter
27-Feb-23
More people are bit by golden retriever's each year then pits. If you remember the old show the little rascals Petey was a pit bull terrier. They are incredibly livening and obedient breed and loyal as hell. It’s when aholes take them and inbreed them and train them to be aggressive is the problem. Rottys and GSD all went through the same hype. It’s all on how a dog is raised period do t Blane rge breed.

From: Bowbender
28-Feb-23
LB,

A quick google search shows that Pits rank #1 for dog bites and fatalities. By a magnitude of ~7:1 over the next breed. That’s pretty significant.

28-Feb-23
Getting nipped or bitten is different than a sustained, extended attack with the intent to maim or kill.

Some traits are present in dogs from birth and this is undeniable. A hound trails game and barks and a bird dog naturally points.

Aggressiveness can be taught or heightened but it's there deep inside. When a pit snaps, it's lost control and is out to finish the job. I won't be around one.

From: Bou’bound
28-Feb-23
canine version of evil.

From: jjs
28-Feb-23
This bred should be eliminated by sterilization just like Huntington-Korea disease.

From: Dale06
28-Feb-23
I’d sterilize all of them with a 22 lr to the ear hole.

From: Rut Nut
28-Feb-23
From: Mint 27-Feb-23

My friends and I have had pitbulls for over 30 years and never came close to having a problem with them.

How do you know?! Once you “have a problem” it’s too late.....................

28-Feb-23
There is a reason why most insurance companies will not provide personal liability insurance if you own certain dog breeds. The Pit Bull is at the top of the list.

From: TreeWalker
01-Mar-23
I have a papillon. Perhaps if she escaped and became feral she would attempt to bite you. At 10 pounds and without a strong jaw you will likely survive with minor injuries.

If I had a pit bull the weight and jaw strength would change the odds on you surviving with minor injuries.

Breed matters a crap ton. Anyone who has a pit bull in their house with children or grandchildren around should be treated no less harshly by the courts than if one of those kids was harmed by picking up an unlocked, loaded handgun.

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html

From: TonyBear
01-Mar-23
This is a senseless attack.

Getting nipped by an ankle biter is alot different than having your muscles and vitals ripped out by an aggressively bred and trained dog. Been dealing with poor dog owners since I delivered papers as a kid. I never got bit but my sister did twice. Funny how damn near every time it was collection week the owners let them loose, then would piss and moan when we would stop delivering the paper.

As a runner got chased plenty of times too. My nephew was chased by a rotweiller during a CC meet. Turned around kicked the dog and killed it. The peace officer gave a ticket to the owner. Most recently had some shitty little cross-breed came hundreds of yards out onto the lake while ice fishing to take a shot at my claves.. A small shovel tap on the head stopped his nonsense. Was still doing the same thing later in the week another fisherman reported him to local police. Had really big crossbreed come after me at a public boat launch once. Fought him off with a life vest and landing net.

In all these cases owner was in the wrong. Most were nowhere to be found.

Rescued a little cockapoo mix on a 4 lane road once. The scared pooch was tapped between lanes and was going to get squished. In a quick break in traffic, I stopped the truck scrambled out there and snatched her. Little "Sophie" had a dog tag with an out-of-state phone number. Called the guy he didn't even know the dog was missing. Again, the owner's fault.

Leash laws are in place for citizen's and the dogs' protection. If attacked, most if not all laws are in the human's favor, as they should be. Of course, will not bring back someone killed by an aggressive dog with a horrible dog owner. Go after the owner and their insurance company for HUGE LAWSUIT, would be my response. If I wasn't in jail for beating the crap out of the owner.

Yeah, I own a dog too.

From: goelk
01-Mar-23
Bring in the wolves

From: Bou'bound
01-Mar-23
If one of wolf killed One person we would Push for extermination and major legislation but pit bulls find a common group Of deniers that act like all Dog breeds are homogenous

From: elkmtngear
01-Mar-23
About 25 years ago, my Niece (3 years old) was over at a Neighbor's house, playing inside with their kids and their dog (Pit Bull).

Dog ended up latching on to her face, and shaking that poor baby, like a rag doll. Fortunately, she only bears a few minor scars Today, she was very lucky!

Neighbors swore the dog had never attacked anyone before, always been a "sweet baby"....

Never trusted a Pit Bull ever since!

19-May-23
I worked for a natural gas transmission company as a corrosion tech at the time. Guy thought I was there shutting off domestic gas for non payment and turned his pit loose on me. I called Sherriff as dog was trying to eat my ass, I was stabbing him with fiberglass gas line marker. Deputy came immediately, said I been wanting in this house for some time. Busted guy for drug sales and took crazy ass dog to pound. Luckily I could fend dog off with sharp gas line marker or may not be here today.

From: TGbow
19-May-23
This is why I'm always packing when I'm in the woods. Back in the 70s I had to shoot a dog that was attacking me n my girlfriend. I had a 20 ga shotgun...hated to do it. Turns out the dog was rabid.

From: DonVathome
19-May-23
I saw a group of stray dogs from my stand one day that I would NOT want to run into on the ground.

When I google are pit bulls good with children most articles say yes. I think the media has made them out to be worse then they are. IMO no more dangerous than a german shepard. This is from limited research.

19-May-23
“When I google are pit bulls good with children most articles say yes. I think the media has made them out to be worse then they are. ”

Don…. Seriously??

You’re going to believe the first things Google pulls up, and you’re talking yourself into believing that there’s some Liberal Media Conspiracy among news outlets which (just sayin’!) employ Fact Checkers full-time as a back-stop against inadvertently distributing false information.

I’m sure it’s true that only a small percentage of these dogs are ever involved in a bad situation, but I’m at least equally certain that Pits are involved a helluvalot more often than other breeds. Especially if you work out the incidents per 100,000 dogs.

Guns scare me a LOT less than Pits; no gun has EVER snapped, jumped out of a drawer and shot someone. That takes a Human, generally speaking, and with guns, you only have to worry about how good or bad a Person you’re dealing with; with dogs, you have to think about how good or bad a Dog Owner they are…

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From: Bake
19-May-23
Good friend of mine was staying with some of my relatives off and on for school purposes. She was at their house alone one night and the family rottweilers attacked her. Although a little bitty thing, she was able to get into a closet and get the door shut and call for help with her cell phone. She was fortunate to escape with multiple bite and puncture wounds to her legs and arms and no permanent damage.

I don't trust ANY unknown dog around my daughter. But I especially distrust any of the bully breeds. Simply put, I won't let my daughter around them.

I love dogs and have 3 of my own, but I distrust unknown dogs. Even the family breeds like labs. I've had a few labs act really standoffish with me, and I watched them very closely. The only time I was bitten was by some little mid-size bully breed while visiting a client's house. Little bastard tore my suit and punctured my leg.

From: Juancho
19-May-23
I love dogs. I had whippets , a mix medium size dog and have now a greyhound and a borzoi . Over the years I was attacked by a few dogs ( none mine ) , and for that reason I never ever live the house without a knife. I know what to do to end it in one stab and done. I hope I never have to do it , but I came ridiculously close 3 years ago with , what turned up to be ,3 police trained Sherman shepherds. The owner thought that because he was a police officer that the law does not apply to him. The dogs were almost killed by me , had they move 1 mm closer. When talking to a retired RCMP about the incident, he said that the way I would stab them , there is no possible defense from the dog perspective , even though , police dogs are trained to fight a person armed with a knife. Always carry a knife , always , and remember that , a dull knife , is more dangerous for the user than a sharp one. After all, you wouldn't carry an unloaded gun, would you?

20-May-23
This last Tuesday I was laying on the ground removing the oil drain plug on my motorcycle.

When I sat up there were 2 Pit bulls staring at me. without collars and 20 yds from me.

It was one of those UhOh moments, thinking. Now this is why I go “Heeled” everywhere.

I live 5 miles from the nearest village. And have no idea whose dogs they were.

Luckily they saw I was not afraid of them and they ran. Without firing a shot. I’m not into killing dogs. Unless they pose a threat.

Things happen in a blink of an eye. Without warning. Be Prepared

20-May-23
Whenever this subject comes up, the pit bull defenders come up with stories about dangerous Labrador’s. For a long times labs were the most popular breed but still no stories about people being mauled to death by Labrador’s

From: Mint
20-May-23
Yes a lawyer that handles injury cases is where you will find the truth. When i want to know about race relations I look to Benjamin Crump! lol

Pitbull type dogs make up at least 15 to 20 breeds and they are a lot more than 6% of the population and unfortunately are a favorite breed of the same type of people that are causing the majority of crime in this country, white, black or hispanic.

From: LUNG$HOT
20-May-23
Pits are a dangerous and for the most part stupid breed. The statistics are there for anyone who can look at it from an unbiased lens and wants to know the truth. Someone please tell me a story about a pack of golden retrievers who mauled someone to death. Go ahead… I’ll wait.

From: 2Wild Bill
20-May-23
A few years back bears were showing up where I hunt deer so I started carrying pepper spray. I was leaving my stand midday when I heard a loud mewing sound. I stopped, turned and looked around only to see what I thought was a boxer maybe sixty yards away just standing there. I couldn't see where the sound was coming from so returned to leaving, I then heard foot falls behind me and turned again, only this time it was a pit bull with it's head down and ears back. I positioned the pepper spray between us and stood my ground. That's about when I saw and heard a little blond girl coming up behind the dog calling it Neo. The dog had been slowly moving to me and when the little girl grabbed it's collar and I couldn't spray with her there. She held the collar and rattled out an apology as I backed away. I raised my hand in a wave gesture and the dog lurched forward pulling her off her feet but clutching to the collar. The girl got to her feet and was yanking at the collar so I again slowly backed away. After about thirty yards between us the dog turned away with the little girl holding the collar. I kept facing them and backed out of there. The whole time the dog never made a bark or growl. Thank God the little girl was there.

Many years ago I was out jogging and as I passed a house a Doberman ran out to intercept me. I faked picking up a stone, stood my ground and raised my hand, like I was going to pitch it at it. The dog paused and snarled as the owner yelled out to me that it didn't bite and was laughing. Finally the owner called the dog away and I continued my run.

Usually I like dogs.

As a teen I had a German Shepherd charging me and barking. I stopped and stood there. The dog came behind me and slowly put it's mouth around my left calf. We stayed that way for about two minutes. Then the dog released me and trotted back the way it came. I guess it just had to show me who was in charge of the situation.

20-May-23
I’m no fan of the ambulance chasers, but when somebody gets mauled and it ends up in court, you can bet your ass there will be an expert witness on the stand providing the same type of data… under oath.

I won’t make blanket assumptions about a propensity toward crime, because none of the people I have ever known to own a Pit or a Rottie have been criminals and a couple have been Cops, but yeah, most Pit owners seem to be people who want to be able to intimidate other people, and the dogs are a substitute for a weapon. Difference is that the dogs can be brandished in ways which would get them arrested if they were holding a 12 ga. instead of a leash.

But there are breeds of dogs just like there are side-by-sides and there are riot guns.

And these people aren’t choosing Pits for no reason. Wouldn’t surprise me to find out that their insistence that the dogs are just “pussy cats” reflects some kind of desire to believe that they have complete control over something dangerous.

Then there’s the dog my sister adopted which sure as hell looks like he’s got a BIG chunk of Pit in him and so far, he’s behaving as if the reason he got put up was that he seems to be completely devoid of aggressive instincts; he’s literally a 70 pound lap dog. So far. And he still makes me nervous.

21-May-23
Solid stuff, Corax. The only dog I’ve ever been but by was a Doberman. He chased me down after a snowball fight exchange with his owners and punctured my left calve. Guess he knew his owners were losing the snowball fight. ;)

From: Bou’bound
21-May-23
In the 15-year period of 2005 through 2019, canines killed 521 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (346) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths." This is according to DogsBite.org, advocates for dog-attack victims.

Its campaigners call for a ban on the breed as "the most proactive policy that can be undertaken concerning the pit bull problem. A ban saves the most human lives by preventing attacks before they occur. By prohibiting pit bull breeding, a ban also saves countless pit bulls from euthanasia."

From: Bigdog 21
21-May-23
Had a family member that had a pit , what was funny is she was afraid to walk the wooded trails because of coyotes

From: Shuteye
22-May-23
My dad was in his 80's when a pit bull came out of the woods and killed his bird dog. Dad called me and told me what happened. He said the dog had killed his bird dog real fast. Dad shot at the dog with his shotgun. I went to where the dead bird dog was and walked down in the woods and found the pit bull, dead from dad's shot gun blast. It had gone about 25 yards after being shot. I told him it was a pit bull and he said he had never seen a dog like that before.

22-May-23
That’s a shame that he wasn’t quicker on the trigger…

We were talking about this sort of thing on the CT page because they just passed a law permitting us citizens to protect ourselves against black bears when the bears come after us.

Yes, they had to PASS A FREAKING LAW to allow you to kill a bear that’s gnawing on your leg/skull/backside.

In my pistol class, the Instructor said that if you have a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm to yourself or others, you are within your rights to shoot a human attacker; I’m of a mind that the standard should be at least comparable for bears and dogs acting in an aggressive manner.

So far, looks like we are checked out on bears (pending appeal, no doubt), so I think I’d be willing to take my chances in court on an apparently dangerous canine.

From: RK
22-May-23
Corax. Texas handgun laws apply to wildlife as well as humans. In the past three years I've killed 4 coyotes that have showed aggressive behavior to me or the dog while on the beach walking her

From: Zbone
22-May-23
Spoke of this before here... Was a telephone/cable/internet service repairman for years and dog bit multiple times mainly by ankle biters, but the one that scared me the most was a big black Pit that hit me running full bore lunging at my throat knocking me asshole over tincups off a mobile home stoop as the owner opened the door... At that instant I had my head turned watching another mean dog hackles up from behind when this big sob grabbed me in mid air... Had the dickhead owner not been beside me and got a hold of him, I probably would have been mauled... He was a big sob... Although the teeth didn't break skin, that quick instant left red teeth marks on my throat for a couple days and shook me up for weeks... Wish I'd known he was there and coming, I'd of had my 9" Kleins pliers out and cracked his skull... I haven't been comfortable around Pits since....

""American Staffordshire Terriers” Still a pit bull"

Yeah the breed derived from Pit Bulls, the Little Rascals Petie was an “American Staffordshire Terrier...

From: Myke
24-May-23
Deer hunting in NW Nebraska and camping at the Soldier Creek campsite. People at a campsite about 150 feet away had a female Rottweiler that was very aggressive to us while we were in our campsite. They were breeders, and the women claimed their dogs were safe, family dogs. This safe, family dog was lunging at us, and snarling at us in our camp as we sat on our picnic table. I asked her to leash the dog in their own camp. She started to yell at me as if I was the one causing the problem. I asked if she preferred that I would call the sheriff to mediate the issue. Dogs were not allowed to be off leash while in camp. Her husband called off the dog and his wife. There is no way that dog would have respected the sheriffs badge, and he would have received the same treatment that we received. Lucky the husband thought it through because I think a ticket for having an aggressive dog in camp would not have looked good for their reputation as breeders of safe, family dogs. The perspective of dog owners and their pets can be different than those who are being threatened, that is for sure. She had no business being a breeder of Rottweilers. Someday, one of her dogs was going to do some damage to a human, maybe even a family member. That dog and it’s owner / breeder had a screw loose.

24-May-23
“Texas handgun laws apply to wildlife as well as humans.”

As they should, but some animals here are More Equal Than Others….

From: Nemophilist
24-May-23

From: Basil
24-May-23
I think most dog problems are from bad owners. Been around dogs my whole life. You can usually tell which one is going to be a problem on the 1st interaction. When I was 3 on a military base is was bitten by a bulldog. It latched on & couldn’t/wouldn’t let go. Nicked my liver. Mom called dad in a panic & he came with Mp’s & he killed it with his billy club. Luckily I have no recollection of any of it. Couple years ago I was cornered by 2 pit bulls while walking in to deer hunt. Another very aggressive pit bull had my terrified daughters trapped in the swim pool one day when I came home from work. Common thread is all of the owners of dogs I’ve had trouble with are in denial or don’t think that type of behavior is a problem.

From: Basil
24-May-23
I’ve been around relatively few pit bulls. Percentages of bad encounters is shockingly high in my experience.

24-May-23
“…or don’t think that type of behavior is a problem.”

Nope, ‘cuz that type of behavior is exactly why they chose that type of dog.

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