Just gets nuttier and nuttier in this state.
I am sure that sci, Sfw, mule deer foundation and Rocky Mountain elk foundation are on this…..like a rat on a Cheetoh.
They won at the ballot with spring bear, bear baiting and hounds as well as trapping and wolves. Why wouldn't they keep throwing initiatives up?
Wouldn't surprise me to see some some of the hipster hunter crowd even go along with it.
The CPW isn't allowed to weigh in now that it's on the path to be a ballot initiative. They also knew it was coming and should have been preemptively working to inform Coloradoans on why lion hunting is a critical and positive part of the management plan while they could.
Yeah, but good luck getting them to understand this concept. Even if they know it to be true, people are soooo afraid to admit they’ve been wrong and make a change. It’s mind boggling to say the least. If I find out a parasite has been slowly killing me from within, I’m gonna find a way to remove the parasite. Not continue to let it kill me because someone tells me it’s all okay.
Its a shame wildlife management decisions are made in voting booths by people who dont know sh@!. The state has professionals they are paying to make those decisions. It would be nice if they would be allowed to do their job. Politics. Its a scourge.
If you can foot the bill, you get the signatures no matter how goofy the issue.
In 2004 a group of Democrats with deep pockets and access to others nationally with deep pockets decided to flip Colorado. They eventually did and it's likely irreversible any time soon.
my recommendation afterward was to give everyone that purchased a hunting license a cougar tag. don't make them buy it. not that that would solve the over-population and impact on deer and elk, but it may help a bit.
they leave the hell holes they created only to do the same. my favorite is after they arrive and get settled in, they complain it's not diverse enough and they're offended by a statue or historical sign of lewis and clark or the settlers that came west.
montana is in their sights. 40-percent of voters in montana voted for Biden in 2020. give it another decade.
It mentions that, CPW’s Research-based Predator Management Strategy Colorado Parks and Wildlife is a science?based wildlife management agency, employing some of the top researchers and wildlife managers in the world. Research projects are comprehensive, detailed and subject to scientific peer review.
Purpose and Background The Commission has approved three other predator control plans since revising its predator management policy in 2007. Approval was granted in 2011 to remove individual mountain lions preying on translocated desert bighorn sheep in the Middle Delores River, due west of Montrose near the Utah border. The Commission also approved in 2011 a two-year proposal to remove mammalian predators in the Miramonte Basin, about halfway between Telluride and Utah to increase the recruitment of juvenile Gunnison sage-grouse. Finally, approval was granted in 2013 to remove mountain lions preying on Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep translocated to the area of the Hayman burn near Cheesman Reservoir, southwest of Castle Rock.
These additional predator control strategies were put into place in addition to current lion hunting seasons. I find it pretty spooky what may happen to Colo's wildlife in the coming years if both mtn lion hunts are eliminated plus wolves are introduced. Obviously, similar to what happened with spring bear hunts, making wildlife decisions through public elections is contrary to making science?based wildlife management decisions?
Edit - don’t bother with California/Oregon or Washington
I agree that it would be great if the CPW would stand up and educate the public to the science on ballots on the consequences of what will happen if things pass! Do you think that will ever happen?
We have 14 months to get the word out. my best, Paul
That said, the pragmatic thing to do as well is try and find a lion hunt this winter.
Glad you guys weren't around in 1776. Hate to say it but you're an embarassment as an American patriot.
You better open up your pocketbook and start contributing to some major alternative measures
I contributed when it was before the legislature last year. I sure as hell didn't come on here surrendering defeat like a wuss.
If we gave up on every issue because things dont look promising then we'd have nothing.
I am an embarrassment because I am a realist? I could make a much more logical argument and say a guy from Colorado who has the right to vote in that state, evidently set idly by and allowed the left to take it over.
I'll inform people and donate just like the past issues.
You are correct that pragmatic pessimism won't help things (guilty) but neither will the vinegar recruiting tactics.
Here's an excellent, and scary article from Forbes about the dangers of ballot box biology now that these groups are getting really good at it and have tons of outside money.
Would that be an angle to use showing that there is indeed a need for hunting because in the long run, attacks are few, BUT will only increase as the lion density increases and their natural food supply begins to decrease.
A balanced ecosystem cannot be accomplished when deadly predators are excluded, they are tying the hands of F&G
Beendare- If that is true then where do you stand on the Colorado wolf reintroduction?
Couldn't CO CPW just say "no trophy hunting allowed of these animals - all animals must be used for subsistence and meat must be harvested for consumption" and keep all the current seasons in place?
"Trophy hunting" is an abstract. It's not a legal definition. "Hunting" is a legal definition. But if you throw that adjective in front of it, it becomes something that is not as easily definable.
They put the "Trophy" clause in there to try and garner support from voters because, when the average non-hunter hears the term "trophy hunter," they think of someone who doesn't eat the meat and kills it only to put something on the wall.
So, that would be illegal. But would it still be illegal if you weren't "trophy hunting" because you killed it for the meat? I think the anti's have no idea that mountain lion meat is not only delicious and edible, but that it is consumed.
In fact, any cat can be consumed, including lynx and bobcat. I've eaten lynx and it was some of the best meat I've ever had.
The most recent text of the initiative spells out that "trophy" hunting is just hunting.
” MEANS INTENTIONALLY: (A) KILLING, WOUNDING, PURSUING, OR ENTRAPPING A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX..."
How some hunters, on this very forum, vote for this administration is beyond my comprehension.
This is exactly the fraud the proponents of this are propogating, AND YOU FELL FOR IT! (Just like many of the population who are ignorant of the game laws and fall for an emotional fraud.)
Look at the text of the bill, it bans all killing of these species regardless of intent.
Also read the game laws, true trophy hunting, where mountain lions are killed solely for a mount is already illegal. You must harvest all edible meat.
That's why we as hunters should oppose ballot box biology. Let the experts in the field who are knowledgeable of the science make the decisions, not an ignorant group of citizens who are suuceptible to make decisions based on an emotional fraud.
THIS IS WHY IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY SPORTSPERSON AND CITIZEN TO EDUCATE EVERYONE IN THEIR SPHERE ON THIS ISSUE.
YIELDING DEFEAT BEFORE THE BATTLE HAS BEGUN IS UNPATRIOTIC AND UNAMERICAN. (Not to mention the message it sends to the folks trying to defeat it, and the proponents of this garbage)
We may have to vote on this one too. You can't make this stuff up.
Bow Bullet's Link
Yeah Lou, if it passes and a two week season naturally results in only a few cats taken, the proponents will say "see, we told you they were only hunted for the hides."
And here's a better link to the article.