Ca. High mt. Desert sheep tag punched!
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From: Pacer1975
03-Oct-23
After 36 years, drew a white mtns. Desert sheep tag. After 10 days, passed 2 legal rams, harvested this dude@13k feet. Brutal 15 hour day in a hellhole canyon. Very blessed. The 6.5prc did great with copper.
From: Pacer1975
03-Oct-23
From: Pacer1975
03-Oct-23
Btw, I was the only tag punched out of 6. Blessed.
From: DConcrete
03-Oct-23
Congratulations on that! That’s a sweet ram!
From: Pacer1975
03-Oct-23
Thx, the best hunt of my life and the most 15 hours of physical pain.
From: DConcrete
03-Oct-23
That looks Like a Barnes bullet. Same ones I run in my 7 SAUM. The performance is flawless Out of them.
From: Ucsdryder
03-Oct-23
This is my understanding of a legal ram. What did they say when you brought it in to be plugged? Did they give you a hard time?
From: Pacer1975
04-Oct-23
Yes, a Barnes vortex copper. No, the other horn was not broomed and well beyond doubt. The bloomed side made it as well. Plugged and done.
From: Pacer1975
04-Oct-23
Usc...when you cape the horn, your line angle on the bloomed horn is way off.
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-23
I sure don’t see it.
From: Pacer1975
04-Oct-23
Sorry, fat fingers. Broome side is also legal.
From: Pacer1975
04-Oct-23
Well usc, 2 sheep bios, who plugged my ram disagree. And my outfitter has never killed a short ram in 25 years. Pic angles are deceiving. Care to bet both sides are legal?
From: Pacer1975
04-Oct-23
Typical hunt forum. They all know more then 25 year sheep guides and 2 bios with masters. So predictable.
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-23
I guess you could prove me wrong pretty quick. Assuming they didn’t confiscate the sheep you should have it with you. Post a picture with a straight edge showing it’s legal. Boom, done and done and nobody will question you.
From: Pacer1975
04-Oct-23
Ucs, ram is at a taxidermist. Pony up a cashiers check for 50k, bring a straight arrow, again, cape it and the front anterior horn gives a big angle difference. This bet is over in 5 seconds. Again, hunting forum doubters. I had 4 rams bedded. The best sheep guides looking thru great glass told me they were legal. So pony up 50k, on my caped horn at a 90 degree angle. Both sides are legal. But keep it up. Unreal.
From: IdyllwildArcher
04-Oct-23
Grats on your ram. That white mountains hunt is a brutal one.
A DBHS from California is one of my top two dream hunts.
From: Nick Muche
04-Oct-23
ROAL Reaper greets Bowsite with his rifle ram at 13K.
This is gonna be an absolute classic. It was a real rubber-necker on the other 5 forums he posted it on.
From: Tilzbow
04-Oct-23
congrats!
From: BULELK1
04-Oct-23
Nice Ram.
Congrats,
Robb
From: RonP
04-Oct-23
congratulations and thanks for sharing.
may i ask why you passed on two legal rams? what was your rifle, scope, and shot distance? more of the story and details please.
is the red handkerchief for safety?
From: Bou'bound
04-Oct-23
What the heck. The ram is magnificent. What is the deal with the online one guy push back from someone with no dog in the fight or knowledge of the thing. Ridiculous
Thanks for sharing
From: sticksender
04-Oct-23
Welcome to bowsite.
From: Jethro
04-Oct-23
"What is the deal with the online one guy push back from someone with no dog in the fight or knowledge of the thing."
Deal is, to some of us this is old news. OP has been beating his own drum all over the hunting forums. His threads are a real chit show.
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-23
I guess you could prove me wrong pretty quick. Assuming they didn’t confiscate the sheep you should have it with you. Post a picture with a straight edge showing it’s legal. Boom, done and done and nobody will question you.
From: Patdel
04-Oct-23
Congrats on your sheep! Ive dreamed about a bighorn since i was a kid. Doubt i will ever draw a tag.
I Keep trying because its fun to dream.
Well done!
From: KsRancher
04-Oct-23
This guy is a legend...............
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-23
…in his own mind.
I thought he was in Europe for 3 weeks.
Why don’t you tell us about your epic deer hunt in the best unit in california?
From: CrazyEddie
04-Oct-23
Congratulations! I'm sorry for the rookie question, but when you check in the Ram, do you get something from the state, a certificate or otherwise?
From: bowhunt
04-Oct-23
I missed the lead up to this thread, and posts on other websites.
From the replies to this thread, I’m wondering is this TBM’s cousin?
From: deerhunter72
04-Oct-23
I guess I'm missing something here...anyway, congrats to the hunter.
From: SaddleReaper
04-Oct-23
SaddleReaper's Link
Zero work done so far this morning. It's hard to skim through 75 pages of this- but damn is it funny.
For anyone else who wants some laughs check the link.
From: HoytHntr4
04-Oct-23
I’m glad work is slow today, 75 pages will take a while to get through but so far it’s been well worth it for the laughs. I love memes and that thread does not disappoint
From: HoytHntr4
04-Oct-23
From: Patdel
04-Oct-23
Now i get it. Them boys on rokslide are ruthless.
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-23
This is a good one too…
https://schoutdoors.com/threads/13-days-out-ca-sheep-mulie-bow.19508/page-20
From: SaddleReaper
04-Oct-23
SaddleReaper's Link
page 65 is Gold... apparently he replied to himself to "suck it dude" .... best to lay off the booze when arguing with internet strangers
From: HoytHntr4
04-Oct-23
I was only on page 30 but you made me jump ahead, well worth it!
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-23
He wasn’t arguing with strangers. He was arguing with himself!!
From: HoytHntr4
04-Oct-23
Bragging and pounding your chest into the mirror gets old after a while, gotta jump onto some hunting forums to change up the scenery a bit
From: Hancock West
04-Oct-23
By bullet, arrow or bolt, nice ram.
From: TXCO
04-Oct-23
Also on AT and MM. My question is, why is your name in your profile Ricardo Cabeza or Dick Head?
From: DL
04-Oct-23
That’s super. I don’t know about you but when I saw my first ram I kept thinking I’m going to get one of them. Now join theCA chapter of the Wild Sheep Foundation and right your story of your hunt. You’re probably hooked now and will buy raffle tickets for sheep hunts. Congratulations!!!
From: Scoot
04-Oct-23
I was trying to figure out why people were jumping on him so quickly, but after seeing some of the complete garbage he's posted on other sites, I totally understand. Mods should keep a close eye on this thread- it's a strong candidate for zappage!!! I didn't read all of the info in SaddleReaper's link, but holy hell is there some funny stuff in there! Hard to say if alcohol, drugs, mental illness, or all of them is the result of much of what he posted, but holy moly is he a piece of work.
From: spike78
04-Oct-23
I must be missing something he comes on here and Rokslide posts his pics and story and gets bashed? How is that different from anyone else doing the the same on here?
From: HoytHntr4
04-Oct-23
Read more of the Rokslide thread, you’ll understand
From: TXCO
04-Oct-23
Read his stuff on MM and SCH outdoors too. Also I do think this could be a spoof account of him
From: Straight Shooter
04-Oct-23
There are so many other forums you can create a thread on rifle kill animals. Crazy how guys post animals that aren’t taken with archery equipment on Bowsite. I’ll sometimes look on other forums to check out some studs killed by any weapon but when I’m on Bowsite I’m not impressed with any rifle kills.
From: Glunt@work
04-Oct-23
"Also I do think this could be a spoof account of him"
I thought TBM was someone joking around. Fool me once...
From: MA-PAdeerslayer
04-Oct-23
Lmfao. That rokslide thread has me laughing my ass off
From: TXCO
04-Oct-23
Read his stuff on MM and SCH outdoors too. Also I do think this could be a spoof account of him
From: BOWUNTR
04-Oct-23
Legend. This guy makes TBM look like a sissy... Ed F
From: sitO
05-Oct-23
The "Angry Gunhunter", I think it's a spoof. What I'd really like to know is the significance of the red bandana?
From: Huntcell
05-Oct-23
Red bandana is a remembrance tribute to his dad. Its the lucky bandana that was on many of his dad’s sheep hunts during his quest of multiple slams. Red Bandana still dong its magic !
From: Rut Nut
05-Oct-23
My momma always told me if you don't have anything nice to say........................................................ ;-)
From: Bowfreak
05-Oct-23
So, is it a legal ram even?
From: Tilzbow
05-Oct-23
After reading this thread then skimming the Rockslide and other thread I’m truly convinced this guy is a perfect presidential candidate.
I’d also like to know what the California requirements are for a legal desert ram.
From: RonP
05-Oct-23
am i the only one who after reading his handle thought he may be an aficionado of these classic cars?
From: RK
05-Oct-23
Ronp
Nailed it. Laughing my ass off
Yea that's him. So pathetic
From: MA-PAdeerslayer
05-Oct-23
Bow freak x2… are we legally confirmed legal or….no?
From: Tilzbow
05-Oct-23
I read through the CA regulations and there’s no definition of a legal ram in that book that I can find, nor it there anything on their website. I couldn’t find anything regarding horn length or age in the regulation book or on their website.
Per Huntin’ Fool it’s a half curl or better (this ram would make it) while one of the other threads posted above stated it needs to be 3/4 curl or better and the ram would be close to that but likely short. In experience pictures tell lots of lies as far as sheep horns and one really needs to have a ram in hand or see it in the field with its head turn to the side and also be looking at the ram at the same elevation.
Edit: Found the definition, it’s below and Ucsdryder’s pic above with the lines shows if it’s legal or not but the picture might be at an odd angle although the ram sure appears to be sub-legal
Bag and possession Limit: One mature ram defined as follows: a male Nelson bighorn sheep (Ovis canadensis nelsoni ) having at least one horn, the tip of which extends beyond a point in a straight line beginning at the front (anterior) edge of the horn base, and extending downward through the rear (posterior) edge of the visible portion of the eye and continuing downward through the horn. All reference points are based on viewing the ram directly from a 90 degree angle from which the head is facing.
From: Kurt
05-Oct-23
PSE made an early 2-wheel compound bow called a Pacer. And AMC made a 4-wheel poor quality car of the same name.
From: t-roy
05-Oct-23
Saw this pic of Pacer and his guides headed out for his sheep hunt, on another site. Can’t remember which one, though…..Shwing!!
From: Mike B
05-Oct-23
So many people with way too much time on their hands....
Anybody know what you call a male version of a Karen?
From: t-roy
05-Oct-23
I believe it’s “Mike”
From: Huntcell
05-Oct-23
He said it was high elevation, I didn't realize it was that high!
From: Ucsdryder
05-Oct-23
Holy heck t-Roy. I just about pissed my pants I laughed so hard. “Mike”. Classic.
From: bowhunt
06-Oct-23
I had the same reaction, and dam it. I’m a Mike
Hopefully the male version of Karen doesn’t catch on
From: Pacer1975
06-Oct-23
Again, too many haters. So backpack 32 lbs, less water and rifle to 13,200 feet. Then pump 4 liters off water, coffee, oatmeal, 15 hours day, kill a ram, 2200 feet below, bone, cape, 3 guys packing 170 lbs.up 2200 vertical, then 6 miles back to camp. 6 tags in the whites this year, 1 punched it. This is the tuffest desert tag on the planet. But I am a bs idiot? Train for 4 months, lose 23 lbs., and@65 do the hard work to get it done. The 3rd legal ram I could have killed. The other 5 tag holders never had a chance. Bye. Anyone thinks 13 ,500 is a joke? 1 tag holder last year died trying in the whites. Have at it haters. I did it.
From: Pacer1975
06-Oct-23
Again, too many haters. So backpack 32 lbs, less water and rifle to 13,200 feet. Then pump 4 liters off water, coffee, oatmeal, 15 hours day, kill a ram, 2200 feet below, bone, cape, 3 guys packing 170 lbs.up 2200 vertical, then 6 miles back to camp. 6 tags in the whites this year, 1 punched it. This is the tuffest desert tag on the planet. But I am a bs idiot? Train for 4 months, lose 23 lbs., and@65 do the hard work to get it done. The 3rd legal ram I could have killed. The other 5 tag holders never had a chance. Bye. Anyone thinks 13 ,500 is a joke? 1 tag holder last year died trying in the whites. Have at it haters. I did it.
From: Pacer1975
06-Oct-23
Kurt, yes, in 1975, I bought a Pacer, for $105..and killed 31 deer with it.
From: Pacer1975
06-Oct-23
Kurt, yes, in 1975, I bought a Pacer, for $105..and killed 31 deer with it.
From: Pacer1975
06-Oct-23
And anyone here care to meet me next July for a 45 lb. Pack up 6500 vertical? Bring it, and I am 65 now.
From: Pacer1975
06-Oct-23
And yes, in 16 hours, we will be in Europe for 17 days. Then off to kill whitetails.
From: Nick Muche
06-Oct-23
....this guy
From: Rut Nut
06-Oct-23
“WE’RE NOT WORTHY.....................WE’RE NOT WORTHY...................” ;-) LMBO!!!!!!!!!
From: HoytHntr4
06-Oct-23
He’s back!!!!! Fending off all your haters on all the hunting forums you boast on must be exhausting. We’ve been patiently waiting for your follow up to the hunt on Rokslide, the memes are locked and loaded ready to deploy
From: WV Mountaineer
06-Oct-23
I really have no dog in this. Just reading and laughing. But, on another site it was two guys packing 150lbs. 7 miles from camp. Not three guys, 170 pounds and 6 miles back to camp.
Not picking sides just pointing out details. I love a good ribbing. But, if truthfulness is the OO’s point, details matter.
From: t-roy
06-Oct-23
“Kurt, yes, In 1975, I bought a Pacer, for $105..and killed 31 deer with it.”
The body shop guys must’ve LOVED you……probably made enough coin to go on a couple of sheep hunts, themselves.
From: patience2spare
06-Oct-23
Man do I miss the days when guys like BB (Bill Allard) and Bigdan shared their bowhunting adventures and knowledge without pretending to be the next marvel superhero!!!
From: Tilzbow
06-Oct-23
Can it really be a coincidence? I can’t take credit for noticing, someone else on one of the other threads figured it out.
From: Scoot
06-Oct-23
Patience2spare, I couldn't agree more. I miss those guys posting here- they were a cut above.
Jackwagons like this guy deserve all of the crap they get. "Look at me, look at me" and "I'm so awesome, you bitches are all haters" begs for people to take pot shots. Not to mention the fact that many of his details contradict each other (between the dozen different sites he posted on--- all of which end with him being attacked by everyone he rubs the wrong way, BTW) and he's clearly lying about some of the happenings. But... nothing anyone in this thread says will matter much to him. He'll continue to be legend in his own mind now matter how much hell he gets for tooting his own horn and breaking his arm patting himself on the back.
From: Shrewski
06-Oct-23
Well, I thought he had himself worked up enough to tell himself to “suck it” again, but not quite. Maybe the Friday night cocktails will loosen things up a bit more…
From: Shug
06-Oct-23
Could he just be a guy egging everyone on or is he really this much of a putz?
From: Jethro
06-Oct-23
Not that it matters, but I don't think the original ROAL Reaper started this thread. I think its a made up account and somebody is having fun with us.
From: Ucsdryder
06-Oct-23
Wait, were you all packing 170 pounds? So 510 pounds of gear? Or were 3 of you splitting 170 pounds? I’m confused. Your lamb obviously didn’t weigh much, so I assume it’s the latter.
From: Ucsdryder
06-Oct-23
Was the red bandana a prison thing? Letting people know you’re taken?
From: 808bowhunter
06-Oct-23
This guy is not "look at me" kinda guy. He is just firing you guys up on this and other social media platform. He is sitting back laughing at all your comments. More comments he gets negative the more he enjoys it. social media and internet nowadays
From: 808bowhunter
06-Oct-23
This guy is not "look at me" kinda guy. He is just firing you guys up on this and other social media platform. He is sitting back laughing at all your comments. More comments he gets negative the more he enjoys it. social media and internet nowadays
From: JohnMC
06-Oct-23
If he doing it on purpose good for him and good for the forums. Sounds like everyone is getting entertained out of it. Make no mistake sites like this are for entertainment. Yes we all have learn some good stuff and met some good people. But I log on several times a day to kill time and be entertained, be it shenanigans or hearing about someone's big hunt.
From: greg simon
06-Oct-23
^^^ Exactly!!! With a "real name" listed as Spanish for Dick Head how could anyone think otherwise. Pretty funny stuff regardless.
From: Shug
06-Oct-23
USC… no if it were a prison “I’m taken” thing he would be holding onto someone’s pocket puller from their pants…like this… allegedly
From: buckeye
06-Oct-23
There's a feller on RS fixin to sell these here coozies. Might just have to pony up the 97 cents so I can keep my beer cold while I train my tracking spiders.
From: Shug
06-Oct-23
Anyone know his real name?
From: JohnMC
06-Oct-23
Shug it is Ricardo Cabeza
From: Shug
06-Oct-23
Anyone know his real name?
From: Shug
06-Oct-23
Anyone know his real name?
From: BOWUNTR
06-Oct-23
Boys and girls... you can suck it. Guys like this only come around every once in a great while... lets keep him around. Ed F
From: DL
06-Oct-23
10 day hunt and only got a barely legal ram?
White mountain rams
From: Pacer1975
22-Oct-23
To Uscdryder, yes, he was very legal. And I was 1/6 to punch my tag. Amazing how hunters eat each other. Enjoy. And yes, just flew in from Venice last night. Great med. Trip again. Now whitetails.
From: Pacer1975
22-Oct-23
To Uscdryder, yes, he was very legal. And I was 1/6 to punch my tag. Amazing how hunters eat each other. Enjoy. And yes, just flew in from Venice last night. Great med. Trip again. Now whitetails.
From: t-roy
22-Oct-23
Glad to see you’re back, Dick!
From: Pacer1975
22-Oct-23
Dl, 300 of the 400 sheep in the whites were winterkill last year with 72 feet of snow. So now you are hunting 100 sheep in 472 sq. Miles of mts.@13k feet. I killed the 3rd legal ram. No one else did, so I guess I am a lucky rube. Lol.
From: Pacer1975
22-Oct-23
Dl, for the record, I hunted 3 days. Hired the best sheep outfitter in the west, and got it done. Desert ram down.
From: Bou'bound
22-Oct-23
Congrats
From: Quinn @work
23-Oct-23
Pacer1975,
What elevation did you shoot that sheep at? :)
From: RK
23-Oct-23
High enough that it killed some of his humble brain cells. Nice sheep Dick Head
From: Brotsky
23-Oct-23
Congratulations to your guide, I'm sure he never worked so hard to get someone off the mountain faster.
From: Shug
23-Oct-23
“ From: Brotsky 23-Oct-23Private Reply Congratulations to your guide, I'm sure he never worked so hard to get someone off the mountain faster.”
Haaaaaa. Haaaaaa
From: Shug
23-Oct-23
“ From: Brotsky 23-Oct-23Private Reply Congratulations to your guide, I'm sure he never worked so hard to get someone off the mountain faster.”
Haaaaaa. Haaaaaa
From: Ambush
23-Oct-23
Hahaha!!
I hope Dick Head keeps on hammering.
And I hope people that think he’s serious keep on hammering him.
Funnier than the monthly Funnies threads!
From: bigeasygator
23-Oct-23
Pacer175, congratulations...you've pulled off the impossible! No, nothing to do with your ram...you've actually managed to bring all Bowsiters together for (or actually against maybe?) a common cause!
From: Rut Nut
23-Oct-23
LOL! Look who’s back.....................he’s definitely a glutton for punishment! ;-)
From: RK
23-Oct-23
Exactly Rut!!
From: JohnMC
23-Oct-23
What cracks me up is I and I am sure many on this site have killed or know people that have killed sheep at similar elevations and DYI and with a bow. Not that any sheep killed is not an accomplishment including the OPs. But there are certainly hard ways than guided with a rifle. Certainly not saying anything wrong with either.
From: MA-PAdeerslayer
23-Oct-23
Brotsky is on a roll today hahahahaa
From: Bou'bound
23-Oct-23
Congrats
From: JakeBrake
23-Oct-23
Straight shooter x 2
From: jjs
23-Oct-23
Is Pacer related to NverGvUp, the last post I seen was a Cali. gun hunt. just curious with the similar writings. Strange for a bow site but with the x-gun allowed I guess bullets are allowed also, buy congrats on the kill.
From: Bou'bound
23-Oct-23
Where did you seen that post?
From: DConcrete
24-Oct-23
Nvrgvup is a really good guy. His name is Kyle and I truly do miss seeing his posts. I’ve spoken with him on the phone and visited with him in person. I like the guy.
From: Taxidermy man
24-Oct-23
Nice ram...I thought this was BOWsite.
From: highsierra
22-Apr-24
I was accompanying one of the other tag holders on this Hunt. This was the ram that was shot by the OP….confirmed by his outfitter. We located this ram several days before he was harvested and chose to pass. Too young, and only barely legal on one side. We watched this ram for several hours and have some good video footage of him as well. Scary that this was the only ram killed on the hunt out of six tag holders… Four of which were guided by the same experienced outfitter. The real question people should be asking is what happened to all the big (160+) rams that the whites has been known to produce?
After spending 16 days combing that range, I can tell you that their numbers are way, way down. We personally found more (5) dead-heads in one day than live, legal to take, Rams (3) over the entire season. Scary. If the ram taken was indeed legal, and the hunter that harvested him is happy with it… Good for him!
From: MQQSE
22-Apr-24
:)
From: t-roy
22-Apr-24
Hopefully, Dick comes back on here to regale us with his latest hunting exploits. It would be hard to top this epic adventure, but I’ve got faith in him.
From: highsierra
22-Apr-24
Take it from me… as I was on the mountain and witnessed this guy in action… he tells a very, very tall tale!
From: BoggsBowhunts
22-Apr-24
T-Roy, he’s likely busy turkey hunting with TBM this time of year. Hopefully he gives us an after action report in May.
From: Glunt@work
22-Apr-24
And just when I had forgotten this thread :^)
From: Matt
22-Apr-24
“The real question people should be asking is what happened to all the big Rams and the whites has been known to produce?”
From what I have heard, based on department telemetry data, most of the sheep moved to non-traditional habitat due to snow. It is a real bummer for hunters who drew that unit last year. It will also be interesting to see what we learn over time in terms of counts in terms of what the actual winter kill was.
I know guys who hunt 3 different ranches for tule elk here in CA (very different animal, I get that), but in all 3 cases the resident herds disappeared for weeks or months last fall. My sense is there was adequate habitat elsewhere so they took advantage (gave their traditional habitat a rest), so perhaps the sheep moved because they had to due to snow depths and then forage availability? One of the more notable outfitters also said that the vegetation was high in some areas which made glassing more difficult.
From: highsierra
23-Apr-24
What you heard is pure speculation from the department as they had zero Rams with telemetry collars in the Whites last year. During their one survey, they only found one group of rams far on the north end of the range. Supposedly there were 14 in the group… But as for how many would’ve been “legal to take” based on the criteria outlined by the DFW… Well, that’s still a mystery.
From: highsierra
23-Apr-24
What you heard is pure speculation from the department as they had zero Rams with telemetry collars in the Whites last year. During their one survey, they only found one group of rams far on the north end of the range. Supposedly there were 14 in the group… But as for how many would’ve been “legal to take” based on the criteria outlined by the DFW… Well, that’s still a mystery.
From: Franzen
24-Apr-24
Next adventure is probably an aerial pursuit.
