I think it looks fantastic! I'm an Elite guy, but will definitely consider the Mathews. What I love is they added a 55# mod and shaved a ton of weight. As an old guy with bad shoulders, this hits my target. Now I just need to know what the draw cycle is like.
I am curious how the Lift 33 stacks up to the phase 4 33 when shot. The Lift 33 has the same brace height. 7 fps faster and is .45 lbs lighter.
Since I just got my phase 4 33 in august I don’t plan on changing anything soon. But that could be said when I got my phase 4 33. When I first shot this phase 4 I was blown away at how quiet it ways.
I like everything about their bows the past few years other than the draw cycle. I know this is personal preference but it has kept me from owning a Mathews. What draws me to Mathews is the fact they won't be gobbled up by some conglomerate and that regardless of what bow you have, you really do have a lifetime warranty as they will warrant any bow they've ever made regardless of age and will machine parts when needed.
So, when Mathews advertises the 33" Lift at "sub-4 pounds", then list the "physical weight" at 4.26 lbs in the specs, what kind of trickery are they pulling?
The 29” is sub 4lbs. What’s everyone’s opinion on the shot sense technology? Interesting and innovative concept but I’m not sold on practicality for the everyday hunter.
I got mine when I returned from Kansas. I set it up and I hunted with it the last two days. It's really nice. Really like they shaved weight off the bow itself. I'll save the details for my review.
I bet that wrist bow you shoot is faster spike. Peco’s diamond is smoother as well. I bet GG’s drenalin is quieter too. Man, I bet Mathews wishes they had you guys on their advisory staff. They’d get it right then. lol.
The best option may be to do one more year with the current because it’s a given that the 2024 line will be smoother faster quieter, deader in hand, will have an advanced cam system. Will have additional adjustability will provide you additional color options and will be lighter with more length options than the current year.
With all those improvements coming in just 12 short months, waiting really is an option to be considered
Does anyone have any feelings/guesses why Mathews does not offer a carbon bow at this point? Seems kinda odd to me as all the other major manufactures are. I also think it’s kinda funny they still put the monkey tail silencers on their strings, seems like everyone else has been over that for years too.
I do like the look of those new bows, I may have to take a closer look, bur agree with others above, the name is so dumb it’s kinda a turn off for me ;)
The best option may be to do one more year with the current because it’s a given that the 2024 line will be smoother, faster, quieter, deader in hand, will have an advanced cam system. Will also have additional adjustability, will provide you additional color options, and will be lighter with more length options than the current year.
With all those improvements coming in just 12 short months, waiting really is an option to be considered
I’m guessing LIFT is an acronym. If not, it is a dumb name. Well still dumb even if it is.
My Drenalin is from 2006 and my Helium from 2014. I still really like the compactness of the Slim Limb and Solocam. But I think I’m going try to shoot both the 29” and the 33”. Of course the bare bow purchase price is just the start.
This is all I know about it... Watched this review last night, the guy lays down good reviews (at least to me). Anyway, it looks really nice, I like the super milled out riser... If I decided to get a new rig, I'd go shoot it for sure.
It would be nice if Mathews didn’t exaggerate their speed on every bow they put out. Why that doesn’t bother people who pay that kind of money is beyond me. And I love my short bow it works perfect for my needs.
Jim, my guess is they can’t make them much lighter even with carbon.
Spike, find a review of several flagship bows and post them. 5 videos shooting these bows through a chrono. It’ll clear up which companies exaggerate the worse.
I hear you and the Peco’s of the hunting world state this but, the reviews I watch every year contradict your bias. Post them up. I haven’t watched the first video this year on bows. But, if the last 5 mean anything, I know the results before you post them.
WV- could be. But to me the weight savings is pretty minimal across all brands carbon vs aluminum. IMO the main advantage is marketing/selling bows. Sure it may cannibalize some sales from their aluminum bows, but i would also venture to guess that the margins are higher on the carbon stuff.
Just seems odd to me they have not jumped in the carbon bandwagon.
Have you ever seen a carbon bow in a press compared to an aluminum? Its night and day different between the two. Even if Mathews offered a carbon bow, I would personally stick with aluminum.
In all seriousness, I like Mathews bows and am currently shooting a Vertix I bought in the spring of 2019. I would definitely look at the new Mathews bows if I was in the market. But I'm sure I'll keep my Vertix for a couple more years. The new Lift looks nice. If I am stupid enough to shoot one, I'll want it I'm sure. So I will stay away and not shoot one :)
I have no issue with the individuals who choose to buy a new flagship bow every year. It doesn't interest me personally, but I understand some people like that. All good. I personally HATE setting up new bows. I'm beyond OCD with sighting in the slider sights and it takes me forever until I feel like I have them dialed in perfect.
What I do have a little issue with is spending $1200-1300 for a new bare bow, and within a year it's worth half as much. Within 3 years maybe 1/4, and 5 years it's worthless.
I know this is Bowsite, and I don't want to bring up the dreaded "G" word. . . . but I can get a pretty nice wood stocked rifle or a new shotgun, or a handgun or two for the same price. . . . and in 5 years they'll be worth pretty close to what I paid. I don't know, I struggle with spending that much on a bow that I'll use for 5-6 years. Just me.
Ambush, I’m not negative just posted what I read in a review and I’ve read many reviews that the speeds are way off advertised. Now I honestly don’t care too much about speed but the problem is if an Elite is smooth drawing and they advertise at 330 fps you think wow draws nice but it’s kinda slow. Now you have Mathews wow that draws nice and smooth but advertised at 348 you say that is smooth and fast but in reality it is same as the Elite. I just call a spade a spade no negativity just reality. I chose my 20” ATA bow not cuz of brand or speed or smoothness but for its size. It is awesome in a tree, blind, stalking, and on the ground in my stool. It isn’t the smoothest or the fastest but it sure is fine in all regards. Buy what you want just don’t be fooled by the velocity.
IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- . 2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow.
I quit worrying about speed when my shoulders went to crap and I can only draw 50something pounds and I was still shooting through animals. That's when you realize just how irrelevant speed really is. It's an imaginary thing in your head that you think you need to achieve. In the real world, if you can draw 60 or 70 or 80 pounds, it doesn't really matter much. This bow is going to be plenty fast. You can build an arrow that will do what you want it to do. You can piss and moan that it's not faster enough than last year's bow, or this or that bow, but in reality it is a great tool for what you need it for. There, I'll get off my soap box now. ;^D
Mathews are ok if you’re into 3d and target shooting that sort of thing. They work for hunting if you are get to your baited stand from a UTV so the heft ain’t that bad.
Name don't mean nothin. It's how it shoots and performs. As far as carbon bows. Why build a carbon when u can build a bow out of aluminum that is same weight amd cheaper. I have both carbon and aluminum bows. Its what u like.
I am an admitted gear junkie. I love looking at new gear. Buying new gear. Hoarding all that gear. I don’t sell anything. I keep it all. It’s what I do.
I speak for a lot of people when I say, without the latest and greatest purchasers, the industry dies.
Sorry peco, but you’re the least important person to the archery industry. I know you don’t care. And that’s ok.
The industry dies without yearly releases.
Some of us are addicted to going to the store, and looking at shit we don’t need. And then buying it. But Damn it’s sure fun to have.
It’s also been noted that bows lose value and guns don’t. This is very true.
But guns also don’t take the abuse a bow does. Constant shooting. Constant stressing.
With extreme calibers, you’ll have barrel burners for sure. But they don’t devalue. I am not 100% sure why a bow does. Supply and demand maybe?
DC - I think you answered your own question. Bows devalue because next year it is “inferior” since a new latest and greatest came out. I’m sure the manufactures are more than happy to obsolete last years with the newest and greatest. ;)
And for all intensive purchases a Remington 700 in .270 or a Ruger 10/22 are essentially unchanged since I bought mine 20 years ago…
Yes Jim but there’s also a few more factors in there.
1. I know a lot of guys don’t want to know this. And it’s going to burst maybe a few egos. But…..pssst…..we’re outnumber by gun hunters and gun enthusiasts by an enormous amount. And the rifle hunts bring in a lot More revenue. A LOT more.
Additionally, yes the rifle and cartridge market has changed an enormous amount. Especially the last 15 years. Go find a new model 700. Go find a ruger m77.
They’re evolving and keeping up with new technologies. Designs. And yea, Colors and camos sell. It’s like a fishing lure. Bright and shiny attracts. And I’m a trout ??
So, if rifles last so long, and the right caliber will take care of pretty much anything most hunters will ever need, it should be a buy one and done proposition. That would free you up to buy a new bow every few years.
I’m just waiting for something to inch back closer to my HeliM stats but with a better back wall. I love the 3.5lb weight and 7” brace height, seems the newer bows it’s size and shortening brace heights to bump speeds slightly but the trade off isn’t enough for me to drop $2k on a new outfitted bow.
I spend my money on tags and flights not new bows. :)
Id like to know what you guys do with all your one or two year old bows? If you sell them what are they worth, I see a lot for sale on the classifieds and they sit because guys are trying to get 800 plus. I picked up a like new mission, made by Matthews as you all know with sights, stabilizer, case and sling for 100 dollars. It's short, accurate and fast enough and shoots out to 60 yards with no problem. So again, why would I need to up grade it and spend 15-20 times the money? What am I missing?
LBShooter, I owned a bow just like yours 13 years ago. The biggest difference in this bow, or any other modern bow versus yours, is how easy a new bow handles versus one that old. How much quieter a modern bow is versus that bow. How much faster a modern bow is versus that one. How much easier it is to shoot versus your bow. There’s a big difference in every arena. I’m being honest too. You don’t have to buy it. Unless you want a better bow.
Bake, I’m with you. But, I truly enjoyed this year hunting with a compound again. I love my bow too. But, I’m probably going to take the plunge on this one. Time will tell once I shoot it.
MAPA shamed me via PM (ha ha ha). He's right though... I look every year. And always think "this is the year"... But very few bows are near as fast, (I'm the weirdo who likes the bowtech 82AB - still shoot one from it's first production year) and my bow just works. I know how it feels, holds etc.
But Ill still look. Eventually, one of these sweet new bows will draw me in.
As with everything in life, there are tradeoffs. I’m interested to see if they’ve gone to far with the riser. If rigidity or durability have been negatively impacted by the new design- then it’s a loser.
"Sorry peco, but you’re the least important person to the archery industry. I know you don’t care. And that’s ok." LOL I'm ok with that, and I again thank all of you who keep the industry alive.
I've never considered a Mathews compound an option for me personally. This next-best one isn't either.
The lift? I could never own, shoot, or hunt with a bow called 'the lift', no matter what it was made of, or how, or by whom. The lift... really? That's bad.
Technically: IBO speed is five grains per pound. Until about 15 years ago the industry's typical method for measuring IBO speeds was 70#/30"/350g. Turns out Mathews was using 80#/30.5"/400.
There are no governing rules/laws for IBO standards other than "five grains per pound". The ATA however regulates 70/30/350 as the Archery Trade Association Standards. The advertised speed "should be" the ATA's IBO-Speed of 70/30/350.
