Hunting Vehicle Options...
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Contributors to this thread:
Rut Nut 18-Jan-24
Timex? 18-Jan-24
scentman 18-Jan-24
Catscratch 18-Jan-24
greenmountain 18-Jan-24
x-man 18-Jan-24
Glunt@work 18-Jan-24
JohnMC 18-Jan-24
TonyBear 18-Jan-24
LBshooter 18-Jan-24
LBshooter 18-Jan-24
Chief23 18-Jan-24
drycreek 18-Jan-24
fuzzy 19-Jan-24
DonVathome 19-Jan-24
DanaC 19-Jan-24
RonP 19-Jan-24
x-man 19-Jan-24
DanaC 19-Jan-24
fuzzy 19-Jan-24
DanaC 19-Jan-24
DanaC 19-Jan-24
WV Mountaineer 20-Jan-24
DanaC 20-Jan-24
DanaC 20-Jan-24
Grey Ghost 20-Jan-24
x-man 25-Jan-24
Catscratch 25-Jan-24
bigeasygator 25-Jan-24
greg simon 25-Jan-24
bigeasygator 25-Jan-24
DanaC 25-Jan-24
Jimmyjumpup 25-Jan-24
bluedog 25-Jan-24
Grey Ghost 25-Jan-24
bluedog 25-Jan-24
bigeasygator 25-Jan-24
Grey Ghost 25-Jan-24
DanaC 25-Jan-24
bigeasygator 25-Jan-24
drycreek 25-Jan-24
bluedog 25-Jan-24
Grey Ghost 25-Jan-24
sitO 25-Jan-24
Scrappy 26-Jan-24
APauls 05-Feb-24
TonyBear 05-Feb-24
Cheesehead Mike 06-Feb-24
18-Jan-24

Ricky The Cabel Guy's Link
if youre thinking about an ev for your next hunting vehicle...might want to re-think it...especially if you live anywhere it might get cold. :)

dang...who could have seen this coming...

From: Rut Nut
18-Jan-24
.................anyone with a little common sense! ;-)

Just talked to a friend who works at Mack Trucks- they ordered 7 new EV Trucks for shuttling trailers back and forth from a lot to a warehouse 1 mile apart. They can’t even get the trucks to last an 8 hour shift. One of the trucks they still can’t get working so they are using 6. And when they run out of charge or won’t start, there is no way to unhook the trailer to pull the dead truck out!

Face it folks, everyone is pushing these EV’s but we “AREN’T THERE YET!” (Or anywhere close! : (

From: Timex?
18-Jan-24

Timex?'s embedded Photo
Timex?'s embedded Photo

From: scentman
18-Jan-24
Timex, your bent dude ;0)

From: Catscratch
18-Jan-24
I thought EV's are the solution to all of earth's problems that we humans impose on her? I think something like 50% of all new vehicles sold in 6 short years are slated to be electric?

Timex has a good sense of humor.

18-Jan-24
Electric vehicles are here to stay until we figure out how much indirect pollution to the environment is involved. It is obvious to me that internal combustion engines are here to stay for a while longer . Why don't we work hard to make both more efficient? This is a case evolution should take place. I would drive an electric car today if it met my needs and cost me the same per mile to run.

From: x-man
18-Jan-24
I'm planning to put a LS swap in a Chevy Colorado. More power, more torque, more gas. :)

From: Glunt@work
18-Jan-24
I have no issue with EV... if they are as capable, dependable, convenient and have similar initial and 10 year cost .

Let the market decide.

From: JohnMC
18-Jan-24
I agree with Glunt but will add I wish my taxes dollars weren't supplementing those that buy them.

From: TonyBear
18-Jan-24
Glunt they are not capable, dependable nor convenient (just look at the folks in Chicago area abandoning them), point is the government is not letting the market decide. Feds and Liberal states are pushing this stupid agenda big time while China (the one using forced labor for green energy production) , India, UrAsia, Russia keeps polluting, polluting and polluting. The US citizens have to be able live while the "other" options are considered and/ or developed. People will suffer and perhaps die due to the insanity. The current cold wave is demonstrating that.

From: LBshooter
18-Jan-24
For running around locally and you set your garage up with 220 to charge it , then no problem. To travel over the road with one especially in cold climates then you get what you get,. Stranded !

From: LBshooter
18-Jan-24
For running around locally and you set your garage up with 220 to charge it , then no problem. To travel over the road with one especially in cold climates then you get what you get,. Stranded !

From: Chief23
18-Jan-24
The best thing would be to ask that money grabbing career political loser John Kerry what kind of EV he recommends. Thats right you're not allowed to ask him any questions as he replies with. Thats a stupid question to ask when they confronted him about his carbon footprint. He can't leave fast enough. !

From: drycreek
18-Jan-24
My EV hunting vehicle sits in my garage as we speak. Tomorrow morning I will ride it about 500 yards to my deer stand…….in total silence……..well almost. It’s made by Club Car and it resembles a golf cart but it’s made for hunting, and it’s the only EV I’ll ever own.

From: fuzzy
19-Jan-24
My best hunting vehicle is my daily driver but then my favorite stand is 100 yards from the house.

From: DonVathome
19-Jan-24
I like my Tesla, and I love charging over always getting gas. Get home, plug in - takes 2 seconds. I stop to charge maybe 2-3 times a year - so I save a lot of time getting gas. It costs about 1/3 per mile for electricity vs gas.

For hunting no, cold weather does limit range - but more important out west remote areas are way to far from charging. Not an option.

If they can have battery break through - double or triple battery capacity that would be a game changer. 1000 miles on a charge.

I love that it drives itself, I work while on the road, text, call, etc. Game changer.

From: DanaC
19-Jan-24
That's a mighty big trowel you're laying it on with there, Don ;-)

From: RonP
19-Jan-24
Electric cars and trucks are evolving. How many of you are using a Radio Shack TRS-80 desktop and on dial-up, or have a Motorola cell phone? This technology was laughed at too and had its shortcomings.

I remember riding in an electric car in the early 90's at a government research lab in New Mexico. It was a converted Dodge Omni as I recall. Needless to say electric cars have come a long way since. I suspect most households will have at least one in the next 10-20 years.

I cut a few acres every year with a weed eater. It can't be done with any type of push or riding mower. Because of 'fire danger' and limitations of gas-powered saws and tools certain times of the year, I about ditched the gas version weed eater altogether, and mostly use a commercial electric model by Husqvarna. It is powerful and lasts just long enough between charges that when it dies, I am ready to take a break. In 15 minutes or so, it is charged and ready to go again.

From: x-man
19-Jan-24
The problem isn't the car's engineering. The problem is the batteries. Until they come up with a sustainable alternative to Lithium, this will not continue long-term.

From: DanaC
19-Jan-24
They keep building solar farms around here, but they're still talking about bringing in Hydro power from Canada. Hint - Hydro power is not "clean". (And I have to note that the big new power line towers they're putting up around here are double butt ugly. )

Want to hear something funny? Many solar panels have electric heating elements to melt the snow off them...

From: fuzzy
19-Jan-24

fuzzy's embedded Photo
fuzzy's embedded Photo
My favored ride when I go shootin for some food.

From: DanaC
19-Jan-24
Is Uncle Jed in the drivers' seat?

From: DanaC
19-Jan-24
"Ford Cuts Workforce Making Electric F-150s on Weak Demand

Follows December news that 2024 production would be halved"

20-Jan-24
It’s the batteries. The cars are very much an engineering marvel.

From: DanaC
20-Jan-24

DanaC's embedded Photo
DanaC's embedded Photo

20-Jan-24

Ricky The Cabel Guy's Link
"The cars are very much an engineering marvel."

thats what they said about titanic...and look what happened when it met up with a little snow an ice. :)

kidding aside...we might all be driving evs (or some other alternative fuel vehicle) some day but the technology is just not there yet...certainly not to the point where it should be forced on anyone. the market will know when and if the technology is ready.

in related news (at link)...

E-bikes caused record deaths, fires last year in New York City

"Electric bicycles caused a record number of fires, injuries and deaths in New York City last year as Democrats continued to push for greater adoption of the device as a solution to global warming.

Overall, e-bikes sparked 267 fires which caused 18 deaths and 150 injuries in the city, according to New York Fire Department (FDNY) data shared with Fox News Digital. The figures represent the highest levels of each statistic, with e-bike related deaths increasing 200%, fires increasing 21% and injuries increasing 2% in the city year over year."

From: DanaC
20-Jan-24
They're an "engineering marvel" that depends on battery technology which can't power them. The term for that is "House of cards."

From: Grey Ghost
20-Jan-24
EVs aren't going to save the world, and they aren't practical for my needs at all, but I've heard they are a lot of fun to drive. They have instant max torque with no noise or vibrations, and their heavy low center of gravity makes them handle like go-carts. I have no interest in owning one, but I would like to rent one for a few days just to see what the fuss is all about.

Matt

25-Jan-24
a friend sent me this video...pretty amazing.

seems like a much better option than batteries...

From: x-man
25-Jan-24
If that's real. that's the way to move forward...

Big Oil will not like that anymore than EV though.

From: Catscratch
25-Jan-24
Hmmm, I wonder if they've developed a way to split water molecules that doesn't use more energy than it produces?

The video hit on mining materials for batteries as a bad thing, but I've been told by the green crowd that the mining is a big nothing burger. To think otherwise is to have an agenda.

From: bigeasygator
25-Jan-24
seems like a much better option than batteries...

Does it? Where is the electricity for the electrolysis coming from?

From: greg simon
25-Jan-24
Water engine seems kind of far fetched. But...I suppose the electricity for the electrolysis could come from the same alternator that provides electricity for a gasoline engine after the initial battery start.

From: bigeasygator
25-Jan-24
Been over 20 years since I was in thermodynamics, but...you would need massive amounts of energy to electrolyze water to create hydrogen. Seems like using the electricity to just power the car would be more efficient than using it to power a chemical reaction which generates fuel to power the car.

From: DanaC
25-Jan-24
Another problem with hydrogen is that it leaks through almost every material, because it's molecules are so darn small. You need thick heavy tanks to contain it.

From: Jimmyjumpup
25-Jan-24
You guys drive your electric cars and trucks. I’m not. I’ll pass ya going up the mtn hehe

From: bluedog
25-Jan-24
Can't help thinking of the Hindenburg disaster.... a hydrogen car might make for spectacular wrecks?

From: Grey Ghost
25-Jan-24
I'm pretty sure the laws of thermodynamics dictate that it takes more energy to separate hydrogen from water than the energy that is produced. So it's not really a "clean" source of energy.

25-Jan-24
well there you have it. looks like the engineers at toyota are wasting their time. lets hope they read this thread. :)

From: bluedog
25-Jan-24
Not saying they are wasting their time ... saying they got obstacles to overcome which I'm sure they are very aware of.

From: bigeasygator
25-Jan-24
well there you have it. looks like the engineers at toyota are wasting their time. lets hope they read this thread. :)

I have yet to see any actual information or press release from Toyota providing any details. For the record, companies throw R&D dollars at concepts that never prove technically or economically feasible. So it's not out of the realm of possibility to think that, yes, Toyota engineers are wasting their time.

From: Grey Ghost
25-Jan-24
Using electrolysis to separate hydrogen from water has been around for decades, and they've never figured out how to make it a viable source of net energy production. Perhaps Toyota engineers can re-write the physics book. I'm not holding my breath.

From: DanaC
25-Jan-24
"I'm pretty sure the laws of thermodynamics dictate that it takes more energy to separate hydrogen from water than the energy that is produced. So it's not really a "clean" source of energy. "

If (big if) you had solar farms generating more electricity than could be absorbed by immediate demand, you could use the surplus to electrolyze hydrogen and store it. Then at night use the hydrogen to generate electricity.

I do not like the idea of hydrogen tanks on the road. Millions of rolling bombs. (ditto lithium batteries...)

From: bigeasygator
25-Jan-24
Using electrolysis to separate hydrogen from water has been around for decades, and they've never figured out how to make it a viable source of net energy production. Perhaps Toyota engineers can re-write the physics book. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm convinced this effort isn't even real the more I look into it. Literally nothing on "water engines" from Toyota, just a bunch of questionable websites and YouTube channels. They seem to be conflating efforts on electrolysis technology for generation of hydrogen for use in hydrogen vehicles with some effort on "water engines" that seems to be non-existent. Seems to be other similar headlines that don't really appear to be real like "Toyota CEO: Our new AMMONIA Engine is the end of EVs." As many of you have pointed out, the concept makes zero thermodynamic sense.

From: drycreek
25-Jan-24
Why are they not pushing hybrids ? Is it just hate for carbon fuels or is it part and parcel of the whole “global warming” scam ? My grandson drives some kind of little hybrid car 80 miles round trip every day for work. Gets 40/50 mpg. That beats the hell out of anything gas and he doesn’t have to worry about getting stranded. Best of both worlds seems like.

From: bluedog
25-Jan-24
I think hybrid Rav 4 is Toyota's best seller.

From: Grey Ghost
25-Jan-24
The new Toyota Tundra hybrid has been very popular too. It wasn't designed for fuel efficiency, though. It was designed to increase torque and HP at lower RPMs for improved towing capacity.

From: sitO
25-Jan-24

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I don't know why they call it Hamburger Helper...tastes just fine by itself

From: Scrappy
26-Jan-24

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I just had to throw this on this thread

05-Feb-24
GM-Honda Begin Commercial Production at Industry’s First Hydrogen Fuel Cell System Manufacturing Joint Venture

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-a463299e9046a088b84018a758197588-gm-honda-begin-commercial-production-at-industrys-first-hydrogen-fuel-cell-system-manufacturing-joint-venture

From: APauls
05-Feb-24
Been driving my EV year round in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada without issue. While I prefer driving it over a gasser, the preference is doubled in the winter. Warms up in what feels like seconds, and rolls out smooth as a July summer day as compared to a frosty gasser that creaks and moans in -30. Fast as a sports car, and smoother than soap with no transmission. While I do feel a little guilty with the damage I've done to the environment buying it, admittedly it was a financial payoff, and comfort/enjoyment decision and the environment did not factor into my decision.

From: TonyBear
05-Feb-24
The 2.2 Gigawatt Time machine was converted to a steam engine running on coal, wood or biomass. Made it through the test of time.

That's good enough for me.

06-Feb-24
Hey RonP, a lot of people still use Motorola cell phones. I'm on one right now, it's called the Motorola Edge 5G and it's a damn good phone. My last three phones have been Motorola's, they have great features and great cameras. I can turn the phone's flashlight on by just shaking the phone and turn the camera on quickly by just rotating the phone in my hand.

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