This is all show and a significant waste of taxpayer dollars, as was the impeachments of Trump and Clinton.There are more pressing issues that need immediate attention.
What high crimes or misdemeanors did Mayorkas commit anyway? Not doing your job is not an impeachable offense. If it were most of congress should be gone, from liberals to conservatives, progressives to MAGA.
Our government has turned into a steaming pile of crap. I'd welcome us being a 3rd world country.
1st world: allies of US, nato etc
2nd world: allies of Russia, soviet bloc, etc
3rd world: those not aligning with either, or neutral.
Since then the term has been bastardized to mean other things, like poor or developing nations.
Same reason Trump was "impeached" twice...
"This is all show and a significant waste of taxpayer dollars, as was the impeachments of Trump and Clinton.There are more pressing issues that need immediate attention"
Same as torpedoing the border bill. To maintain the "crisis".
Sadly, this. Politicians would have to work harder to fund-raise if there wasn’t a crisis they could point to it is a sad state of affairs when both parties ignore the will of the people in deference to their party’s ambitions.
You mean the Ukraine funding bill that they were calling a border bill with less than 20% going to fund our border. How is allowing 5,000 illegals to cross each day or 1.825 million illegal crosses a year a "border bill". It was a complete joke and Langford and McConnell should be out oft he Republican leadership.
I listened to biden's speech yesterday. He spent the vast majority of it claiming that MAGA is weaponizing politics while he was in fact weaponizing politics in the same breaths. All the while blaming someone else for the crisis that he endorsed and allowed to happen. His lies are so blatant it's amazing he got any votes the first time around, and any support this time around.
"His lies are so blatant it's amazing he got any votes the first time around, and any support this time around."...that is a statement that could be applied to multiple political candidates.
And they would be filled in less than a week. And then back to releasing millions of illegals into the population. As planned. Who are you trying to fool with this stuff?!?!?!?
“If you don’t let us help our foreign friends, we can’t guarantee the safety and security of the American people.”
Makes perfect sense. This is China joes mess. Soon he’ll be defending and releasing the illegals that gang up on, and ambush cops.
Yup, China joe ran his campaign to reflect exactly what he intended to do. If you voted for it; you’re part of the problem.
Y’all know who you are!
Very true.
they're the failure - to keep a worthless Secretary of Security who's failed
Biden would have nominated a replacement Democrat - its not like they'd have lost power/control
Nailed it. This is the greatest place on earth. It's awesome. Anyone reading this web site has a life that would be nearly beyond dreams for many people around the world. Most people reading this spend hundreds or more likely thousands of dollars a year on hunting. Many have multiple vehicles some of which may be in excess of 50K and are likely walking around with a 800 dollar computer in their hand every day. We have it so good, that it's literally become sport to complain about it. (I'm guilty too).
You get down to it we all are lucky as hell to live here, at this point in history. LUCKY as hell!
Must seek political asylum at the first border (usually southern Mexico)
Must cross at a recognized point of entry.
BTW, do you know who wrote the bill and then puts pressure on the House to pass it before it can be read? The law firm of Schumer/ McConnell….I chit you not.
Meanwhile at the border.
Rank-and-file Border Patrol agents have slammed the Senate's $118B Senate funding bill that would guarantee 1.5 million illegal migrants entry to the United States, while sending the majority of funds to Ukraine ($60B+) and Israel ($14.1B), the Daily Caller reports.
Four rank-and-file Border Patrol agents told the DCNF that the “catch and release” of illegal immigrants will continue if the bill is implemented, because it allows for the release of family units and single adults that show a credible fear of persecution should they return home.
Catch and release is absolutely happening," said Andrew “Art” Arthur, who serves as a resident fellow in law and policy for the Center for Immigration Studies, in a statement to the Caller.
In recent years, Border Patrol has recorded high levels of illegal immigration. Agents recorded more than 2.2 million encounters of migrants crossing the southern border illegally in fiscal year 2022, a new record, more than 2 million in fiscal year 2023 and more than 629,000 between October and January, according to federal data.
“It’s a load of bullsh**,” a second agent told the DCNF. “We don’t need a border bill, we need to enforce the laws on the books.”
“Unaccompanied minors and families released, that’s unacceptable. They need to be removed,” the second agent added.
Two more agents told the caller that the bill is 'bullshit' for various reasons, including the release of families and certain single adults with 'credible fear' claims.
Ramaswamy;
They call it a “border bill,” yet less than 20% is allocated to our border & there’s more money allocated to protecting Ukraine’s border than our own. Typical swamp protocol. ( and I agree)
Kyle Bass; The imbeciles writing the Border bill snuck this beauty into the text: “ALIENS from NONCONTIGUOUS countries SHALL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE SUM OF ALIENS ENCOUNTERED.” So Chinese, Somali, Yemeni, Russian, Iranian nationals encountered at the border simply won’t be counted???!… ——- Its becoming painfully obvious our gov does care about doing whats right for the avg working man. Both of these political parties have been hijacked.
Unfortunately, politics being what it is, there are plenty of slugs to go around on both sides, our side just doesn’t have a long history of enslaving blacks, killing babies, or stuffing ballot boxes.
Trump has it wrapped up. Like I said it'll be sewn up by early March for him. RNC will have to open up that wallet.
So, if you want to see border crossings dramatically drop (and no, the president cant wave a magic wand because the courts overturn that as they did for DJT and have for JB as well) by the end of April (the law takes effect 90 days after passing), you accept that this is the strongest border law update in decades and even if it does not include "the great wall of Texas" as part of it, it would massively reduce illegal immigration.
Is that good?
Yes, it would be good. I think it's funny as heck to see conservatives contort themselves in shock at getting the strongest border bill in decades set up, but then realize they don't really care; they just wanted a good campaign issue... And if crossings decrease, that's bad for the DJT business, so who cares about Americans?
As I said in some other thread in the past week, MAGA, but next year. Right now, we don't want to do anything about this thing that we have complained about being the biggest threat to America ever.
Is the bill perfect? No. But it's definitely the best option on the table and would make a difference - which is why the Border Patrol Union (who endorsed DJT in 20) believes it should be passed ASAP. Again, MAGA, but in a year and a half or whatever.
What's stopping the GOP from submitting their own bill to fix this?
will, Biden made this fricking mess by reversing everything Trump did to protect the border. The “Border Bill” was unnecessary if Biden had remained a dumbassed senator instead of a dumbassed president.
Seems pretty speculative. There's a Republican majority in the House. Senate is split. Democrats know the biggest issue at the moment is fixing the border problem. They've acknowledged it's a mess right now. Seems like Republicans have some leverage and could easily pass a bill.
Seems to me the main reason they aren't is to keep Trump's election hopes alive.
Stix - except that clinton actually lied under oath, an action that would land either one of us in jail. That one was not a waste of time or money...
They created it, now they want to profit from it. Why should Americans be held responsible for things outside of our most important asset…America itself?
That wasn't the question. Why haven't Republicans done something about it especially with a Democratic party that is no doubt willing to concede on certain issues?
Again, why wait? Everyone has said that true immigration reform is needed. They have a great opportunity to fix this with legislation right now, not weak executive actions that can be done at the drop of a hat.
Everyone is complaining that it's the biggest problem in the country...but they're in no rush to even attempt to fix it. Just underscores the point that it's more of a political issue than anything else.
COVID fixed it once.
Corrected it for you.
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This attempt to pass more laws is just window dressing ahead of the election, now that the polls are solidifying with immigration at or near the top. Why not simply enforce the ones we have? What faith do we have that Biden will enforce any new ones? What does "illegal" mean. They desperately want more future Dem voters to cross as quickly as they can, disappear, and receive those mail-in ballots.
The biggest deterrent to illegal immigration was the COVID related shutdown of our economy.
People will find a way to cross the border if there’s a better life on the other side.
So go ahead and tell me, by what metric was the border problem “fixed” under Trump?
They desperately want more future Dem voters to cross as quickly as they can, disappear, and receive those mail-in ballots.
lol
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So why was there so much push-back when trump tried to build the wall? Why is China Joes administration claiming that razor wire and walls won’t keep illegals out? Why are democrats so afraid to let someone try to secure the border? Why are they so convinced it can’t be done, when they are the biggest roadblocks to the solution? And why do they think they can hold the rest of us hostage while they KNOWINGLY fill the country with terrorists and malcontents, with no intention of prosecuting or deporting any of them that don’t assimilate?
Bull$#!+. Trump didn’t fix the problem when he had a republican majority in the house and the senate. What makes you think he would fix it if he was re-elected? As you can see from this week’s antics, there is too much money and control around leaving the border open for either party to seriously address it.
This is according to Democrat Senator Patty Murray, Chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee;
The $118.28 billion national security supplemental package includes:
Foreign Aid Commitments:
$60.06 billion in support for Ukraine amidst Russian aggression $14.1 billion in security assistance for Israel $2.44 billion to address U.S. Central Command operations and conflict-related expenses in the Red Sea $10 billion in global humanitarian assistance $4.83 billion to support Indo-Pacific allies against Chinese encroachment $2.33 billion for displaced Ukrainians and other refugees worldwide Border Security and Immigration Provisions:
$20.23 billion for border operations, policy enforcement, and narcotics interdiction Introduction of the Fentanyl Eradication and Narcotics Deterrence (FEND) Off Fentanyl Act $400 million for the Nonprofit Security Grant Program Provisions for government intervention at varying thresholds of border encounters Work authorizations for illegal aliens
That summary leaves out a ton of provisions that are in the bill related to border security and immigration.
Sounds like the border patrol union came to a similar conclusion.
Seems like some are willing to allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good in this case (meaning, some people seem to think incremental progress isn't beneficial unless it checks each and every box).
This claimed asylum problem could be fixed by requiring asylum seekers to apply at the first country they enter. That solves 90% of the problem. It used to be the the law. Was that requirement ever changed or is it just being ignored?
Remain In Mexico was the best fix ever. You wait until your asylum case is reviewed before entering. Period. Especially since roughly 90% of asylum claims are rejected.
We still let over 1 million enter legally every year. The system works just fine, if enforced. Secure the border and get in line....
End point, D's didnt even push to figure out a way to get dreamers fixed/figured out. They basically gave away the farm that the GOP has asked for for years. Other than the great wall, pretty much everything was in there to create great reforms. WSJ, US Chamber of Commerce, a conservative from OK was a key negotiator and straight up admits he got pretty much all the GOPers asked for.
There is no analogy. It's somewhere between saying: "Ok, you gave us 90% of what we wanted, we are sorta shocked by that, but you know what, if the bill does not stop every single human from sneaking across, we wont do it" and "Yes, we believe the border is an existential crisis being used to destroy the country intentionally, but we choose to do nothing about it for at least a year and a half, assuming we can pass something better at that point".
Both suggest the GOP are not serious about this. If this is an epic mega fail, pass it and improve things, show it's weak points and do something better as a result. But at least you improve the situation while continuing the process.
At this point, the GOP is like the meme where the guy is riding his bike, shoves a stick in his front spokes, crashes, and then blames everyone else for falling.
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Could it still allow an extra 1-2 million migrants to enter the US every year? (YES)
Could it be used to prevent Trump from deporting millions of migrants who already entered during the Biden years? (YES)
At another client they make bricks and blocks. Employed a lot of folks from Mexico, Latin America for 9 months while the plant was open. Noise and crystalline silica exposures all over the place. Mostly well controlled, in some areas we had to make changes. They did similar work in their home country of origin, no noise or air tests, workplace was very dangerous (operations as well as local crime drug cartel, etc.)
Lastly one other shop did countertop cutting from stone. Employed a lot of Russians, Polish, other ethnic groups from Europe. Controls were good in some areas, others not so much.
All three of these groups were suspicious from the onset when asking for their names and ID, etc. to form a permanent health record (as required by OSHA stds. and employer's work/HR plan). Once they figured out I didn't work for the government but for their employer and for their benefit; they couldn't believe it. In the countries of origin people are still killing each other for jobs and resources.
All of these folks were in the country legally and best I could tell were worried about how the increased illegal entry would affect their situation. Just like the rest of legal American citizens. The border needs to be secured, period.
We all know who benefits most from keeping the crisis boiling and making sure no 'less-than-perfect' solutions move forward.
Did you know this count doesn't include unaccompanied minors?? A couple thousand more a day of them just fine per this Senate deal.
Did you know the bill would also allow 1400 migrants per day to request asylum at every one of the official ports of entry, not counting as part of the 5000/day average provision?
Did you know the mandatory shutdown isn't really mandatory? The President can waive the emergency shutdown authorization.
The whole thing is a scam. All it will do is make the 1-2 million extra migrants per year codified into law to make it permanent, and so no future President can stop it. By design....
For example, I live in SE Mn, and the squirrels have been in a major decline, the MnDNR did a study to find out the reason but did not come out with the conclusion since the high refugees of the Hmong population effect on the resource. Last year the Mo. wildlife officers busted a group of Hmong in southern Mo. for being over 200+ squirrels limit, they were from the St. Paul, Mn. area. I have had personal experience in the field in Wi./Mn. over this issue of double standards and it is the declining living standards that is crossing over.
Just to clarify, I really do not care what the skin color is as long as one abide to the law, this is what is happening on the border the double standards of illegal enforcement.
Perhaps we need to focus on what the consequences will be. We already have illegals banding together to create hate a chaos within America. We need to control the impending lawlessness? So how do we do that? Afterall, Trump “failed” to build the wall, and he wants to “defund” our law enforcement. So, what is our next level of defense? Perhaps we can all move to Ukraine, and enjoy their protected border? I mean afterall, we’re paying for it. We might as well enjoy it.
Agreed. Ease the path to legal immigration so that they don't have to do it illegally to come here and work.
Or are you just saying we should remove the ~8 million undocumented workers propping up our economy with no plan to backfill them? Because if so, that's dumb.
Switching stance on EVERYTHING you've stood on and blame someone else for the issues as a political weapon... PRICELESS!
Counted separate from the other 10-20 million illegals who have accumulated here in the decades prior to Biden.
Party politicians are the ailment of this country. And, they’ve done a bang up job of doing so while diverting the attention of the American people.
Moderates. That’s for eating sweets. Not political policy.
Huh?? Your reasoning is baffling. Nay, borderline nonsensical.
It’s an easy fix. It really is. Build a wall.
You're delusional if you think a wall will stop illegal immigration.
BEG - the 8 million illegals are NOT propping up our country in ANY way. Those are just the ones that rushed in since Biden took office, and are awaiting asylum hearings. They cost the country $450 billion a year per last govt reporting I have seen...
I'm referencing these numbers, but would love to see how your $450 bln cost was derived.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/#:~:text=Overall%2C%20about%207.8%20million%20unauthorized,year%20from%202007%20through%202015.
The point is that our economy is incredibly reliant on labor supplied by undocumented workers - some industries far more than others. Despite what I think WVM tried to argue, removing them will have dire consequences for our economy. GDP would take a massive hit, deficits would spike, specific industries like agriculture, construction, and hospitality could see double digit decreases in workforce reductions.
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Figure what is must cost to feed, house, educate, and medically care for 8 million people (who can't legally work since their legality has yet to be adjudicated). Figure maybe $150 per day? That would be about $450 billion per year.
Here is a quick article I found discussing that figure.... but however you want to do the math, it's a crapload more than we can afford!
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That comes from a report from the Center for Immigration Studies. Hardly an unbiased source, and is completely detached from estimates made by institutions - like Cato and Brookings - who take a more reasonable and balanced approach to the cost of immigration. The number you're quoting is partisan trash.
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BEG, if that’s true, why is it that Gov Abbot has succeeded in greatly reducing the immigrant influx by paying close attention to securing their portion of the border? He has managed to force people to head to NM, AZ, and CA, to make their crossing by making TX inaccessible. How do you explain that? Sure, a small percentage may succeed to cross, but the majority have been deterred. Tell me you have no fences or walls around your home since they are ineffective. Tell me you don’t lock your doors at night, since it’s simply a false sense of security.
On the other hand, put yourself in the position of a well intentioned migrant, that simply wants to bring his family here to achieve a better life. You come here because you feel as though you’ve been invited to share in the American dream. Yet when you arrive, you discover there is no plan, structure, management, or coordination, to assist you in your journey. Now you feel slighted by America. You feel you’ve been lied to, and now you’re caring for your family in the hot desert, wondering what your next move will be.
How pissed off are at the false promises that have been made? What are your chances of getting back on track after such a journey? How do you guarantee your displaced family’s safety and security?
Where I'm from, "greatly reducing" does not equal stopping all illegal immigration. It is other people that have suggested we should tolerate zero illegal immigrants and have said a wall is what will get us there. I disagree.
#1 a small % actually goes to the border
#2) it locks in every future president to allow over a million destitute folks to come in no matter what.
It’s probably one of the stupidest pieces of legislation I’ve ever seen and EVERY Dem plus 4 Reps voted for it
Purely a function of what is packaged up in the bill. Want to raise the percentage? Move the other stuff to a separate bill. Doesn’t change anything.
#2) it locks in every future president to allow over a million destitute folks to come in no matter what.
How so?
Yep. You are right. A wall won’t stop it. But, a wall will certainly make it manageable. Isn’t that what life is about?
I know you’d like to pick more tidbits so you can google paste a point that’s not the point. But, I’m not doing it.
Build a wall. While it’s not the end all. It’s the next step in controlling it. That’s simple common sense.
You really are a stupid individual.
Nonetheless, if the bar is now making it better, would any of these things make it better?
- Stricter asylum criteria
- Faster processing of asylum claims
- Giving border patrol agents the ability to automatically deport migrants at certain thresholds of border encounters
FWIW, the best deterrent is building a wall that the whole world knows is being patrolled and enforced. Then we wouldn’t have to even deal with 99% of the illegals. Because they wouldn’t come.
I told you before that you were always playing catch up. You proved it once again.
I started to tell you only an incredibly ignorant person would suggest supporting border patrol agents in immediate deporting illegals as an alternate option. Because common sense folks would assume that’s a given. And, wouldn’t consider one method without implementing the other. That would be blatantly ignorant.
Wouldn’t it be staggeringly costly to deport illegals without a wall? What are we going to do? Drive these people back home?
How in the world do you suggest an alternative of immediately deporting illegals, without a wall that makes reentry nearly impossible?
So do you read them or not?
Because common sense folks would assume that’s a given
They don’t currently have that power, but would have under certain circumstances in the bill that Trump just killed. So you’re saying you do support that provision in the bill? That it would have made things more, in your words, “manageable?”
You also said, “Way to not answer the questions. No surprise there.”
Nice deflection from the guy that normally thinks he’s got all the answers. No offense, it’s just my opinion…and you know what they say about opinions…!?
Lol!!! BEG, I’ll admit you make some thought provoking arguments,…right up until the time you don’t!
To the extent that walls can facilitate this (ie, direct people to ports of entry and allow for more expedited processing), great. Frankly, there are much more sophisticated technologies to aid in deterring and detaining border crossers that I'd rather see us focus on than walls which have been shown to be easily defeated.
Edit: I'll add, if it isn't clear, that I think the killing of the border bill is entirely a political stunt to get Trump re-elected. The question to ask is does the bill make the situation better or worse at the border than it currently is. I struggle to see how anyone could argue that it makes the situation worse.
This is according to Democrat Senator Patty Murray, Chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee; The $118.28 billion national security supplemental package includes:
Foreign Aid Commitments: $60.06 billion in support for Ukraine amidst Russian aggression $14.1 billion in security assistance for Israel $2.44 billion to address U.S. Central Command operations and conflict-related expenses in the Red Sea $10 billion in global humanitarian assistance $4.83 billion to support Indo-Pacific allies against Chinese encroachment $2.33 billion for displaced Ukrainians and other refugees worldwide Border Security and
Immigration Provisions: $20.23 billion for border operations, policy enforcement, and narcotics interdiction Introduction of the Fentanyl Eradication and Narcotics Deterrence (FEND) Off Fentanyl Act $400 million for the Nonprofit Security Grant Program Provisions for government intervention at varying thresholds of border encounters Work authorizations for illegal aliens PLUS-this legislation makes it law we have to let in millions every year- forever —— How anyone can continue to support policy from the hijacked Dem party is beyond me
