I think it's gonna be a unanimous decision against Colorado.
Seems like January 6th 2021 happened over 3 years ago, plenty of time to bring the charge of the crime was committed. I’m sure millions have been spent trying to find the evidence of that crime.
By your logic, any state could remove anyone from the ballot just by saying they caused an insurrection. You don't actually believe what you type.
Nope. And, there was no insurrection. There was no armed and violent attempt to overthrow the standing government.
thats only a "big question" for those that are looking for anything they can possibly find to pin on trump. for most people...that arent suffering from tds. "insurrection" is not a question at all...let alone a big one.
no doubt what happened on jan 6 was disgusting but only the true anti-trumpers think it rose to the level of "insurrection." if anyone thought they could make that case...the charge would have definitely been brought. after all theyve tried everything else.
to my knowledge...not one person has been convicted of or even charged with "insurrection" in relation to jan 6...even those that actually breached the capital.
"insurrection" is a pipe dream of the anti-trumpers.
I personally don't care whether he is or isn't on the ballot. Simply because like I have said before on here, the 2 greatest forms of punishment for him are humiliation/embarrassment, or separating him from some of his money.
And if he is on the ballot, and the majority of the American people elect him...well then so be it. They deserve what ever comes with that. But...I won't likely be getting on forums like this and whining and crying about a stolen election that wasn't 3 years after the fact.
That was one of the arguments by the lawyers representing Trump, and by ALL of the justices, liberal and conservative. The DOJ could have charged Trump with insurrection, as there is a federal law on the books that he could be charged with. This was not done, because there's no legal grounds for it.
The purpose of the riot was to interrupt the due process of a governmental proceeding, and it did. And it was violent. I mean you can call it what you want to.
Every single trump supporter at the Jan 6th rally/riot owned a gun and ZERO people brought their firearms to the rally. A peaceful unarmed rally where a fraction of those attending turned it into a riot.
Dems want to call it an insurrection (to further their agenda) but that is just a personal opinion. And no personal opinion serves as a matter of law.
So first the SCOTUS needs to determine if Jan 6th was an insurrection (some kind of weird unarmed insurrection) and THEN they need to determine if Trump's speech (protected by both the 1st amendment and presidential immunity at the time) was somehow "engaging" in the one-sided opinion of an insurrection.
And if all this was an insurrection, then the liberals storming the white house fence in May 2020 forcing secret service to move the President into the emergency bunker and the highest alert at the white house since 9/11.... those protesters all need to be rounded up and jailed, and every Democrat who spoke to them or about them needs to be banned from election for life, too.
It’s so simple and obvious, no one has beenconvicted or even charged with that crime 3 years later, at least that I can find.
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Good one!!!
It's hard to say Trump engaged in an insurrection if there were no insurrectionists!!
THAT is the problem with all these TDS fueled arguments... they are never applied equally across the aisle.
What about when Schumer threatened the Supreme Court and an assassin followed through on his threat and tried to kill a SCOTRUS judge at home. Is threatening the Court with violent action to alter a Supreme Court decision not a form of insurrection?? What Charge should Schumer face??
The example of the attempt on a Supreme Court Justice isn't an example of insurrection. If it were found to be case of being an accessory or so.ething similar then so be it. Arrest him. I don't have a problem with that.
As for states saying who can and who can't be on a ballot without cause or due process, it's kind of breaking the law...
But the inference that the speech that Donald Trump gave on January 6th, and the support that may have been given to those rioters isn't even similar. And any 8th grader could read the texts of the statements made and know the difference. And that is without taking into consideration the influence of position or office that goes along with the statements.
This was brought during the arguments today by liberal justice Elena Kagan.
This argument would have been put to bed if Trump was convicted of insurrection which is a federal felony.
He was not convicted, or even charged with that statute. I'm predicting a unanimous ruling in Trumps favor.
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And go back and arrest every antifa screaming liberal rioter smashing windows and threatening senators and guests from the Trump inauguration all the way through to today. Equal justice on both sides of the aisle. Fail to do that, and your cause (and opinions) will always be considered a joke.
Same concept as Bidens document stash being legitimate, while trump is obviously trying to steal confidential documents to bring the country down with.
The lefties have a thousand reasons to hate and punish trump, yet support China joe as he has his way with the exact same behavior his worshippers supposedly feel is inappropriate for others.
Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Regardless of how the Democrats walk all over, and manipulate, our justice system in an effort to discredit one idiot over another.
At this point in the game, we get what we deserve. Hopefully nobody here will have to experience their family being the victim of political stupidity and suicide. But, it is comforting knowing that trump is there to take the fall for trying to right the ship.
Go getter Frank.
Shane
i agree. thats why neither trump...or any of the others involved in the jan 6 debacle were charged with insurrection.
to be sure...its not that people wouldnt have liked to (just look at what they have charged trump with)... but even the most rabid of trump haters know that the elements of the crime of insurrection didnt exist. god knows...if they cant bring that charge against trump...and get a conviction in dc...it simply isnt there.
Congress did just that, made it a federal felony to engage in insurrection.
He was never charged, let alone convicted. Colorado is dead wrong on the whole issue.
A unanimous decision would send a great message and cause liberal heads to explode, which always makes for fun watching.
I saw Hawaii was tring to amend the state constitution to keep Trump off ballot. I find that quite amusing since this SCOTUS decision should make it clear. But.... Hawaii High Court did just find that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to its citizens right to carry firearms which has already been adjudicated at Scotus.
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The only thing that has to do with Donald Trump is he was the one running against the guy that was decided on to be president. He won the first time but, had laws changed, a fake narrative used to suppress the most accurate way our country votes, then got loud and proud because he survived every single bit of it. He’s like the energizer battery to a good bit of moderates and the left. He just keeps going and going.
It’s people like Trump, with all his flaws and issues, that’s tested these limits. And said he isn’t going to take it.
But, you asshats keep on making it a Trump thing. You literally solidify the notion that a good bit of America, regardless of party, thinks our laws are more important then electing the medias idea of a good candidate.
Horse apples. If Dems whined like Trumpers after Hillary lost you would - quite rightfully - call them a crazy cult of personality. She lost. They bitched but they didn't riot/insurrect/call it whatever at the Capitol. Those ARE not the actions 'patriots protecting the rule of law.' It was a koolaid party at the behest of an whiny egomaniac.
My personal favorite are the Trump sycophant led investigations that (1) uncovered no significant fraud and (2) found it was Biden whose votes were undercounted.
No significant fraud? What level of fraud do you tolerate? How much fraud is acceptable to you? How much shit in the pool would prevent you from driving right in?
Shane
I’d say I’m good with the amount we have.
good lord...you cant be serious. hillary claimed...and still claims that trump was an illegitimate president...and pretty much the entire democrat party spent 4 years attempting to remove trump from office by falsely accusing him of a whole host of fictitious things.
you truly are delusional.
Then you're part of the country's problems.
Well, shockingly, I disagree.
Where I work, we spend a lot of time talking about ALARP. It stands for As Low As Reasonably Practicable. It’s a recognition that at some point the costs outweigh the benefits. That there is a point at which you see diminishing returns where you feel risk management is “sufficient.” It’s also an explicit acknowledgement that risk is not zero - but it’s tolerable.
We have tremendous safeguards in place to deter, detect, and prevent voter fraud, and I think we manage the risk of election fraud to ALARP levels.
It is virtually impossible to perpetrate fraud on a scale that will tip an election. The estimated voter fraud rates are .0003% - so 600 out of 200,000,000 votes.
Again, I’m good with that. If someone shows me any evidence that situation is different, I’m all ears and will reconsider my position. Nobody has yet.
Whose estimate is that? Yours? The VERY honest and reliable FEC? The Dem party?
The Heritage Foundation https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
Or the Brennan Center https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf
Or the Brookings Institute https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/
Or the American Association for the Advancement of Science https://www.sciline.org/elections/voter-fraud-ballot-security/
Again, happy to change my mind when someone prevents me with compelling evidence.
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One; Anyone would back a state not allowing a person to be a presidential ballot.
Two: The far left sentiments from some on a hunting forum.
One: Anyone would back a state not allowing a person to be a presidential ballot.
Two: The far left sentiments from some on a hunting forum."
to their defense...i honestly dont think they really believe most of the things they post. if most of this stuff was about anyone else but trump...theyd see it for the foolishness...as well as the danger that it is.
tds is real...
TDS is real all right,we just define it differently ;-)
If we looked up your posts when they were the candidates.
Now everyone loves Reagan. I’m old enough to remember. Liberals decrying the end of democracy when he was president. Also with Bush, McCain and Romney were evil.
So I’m looking forward to who is the next republican hitler after trump is an afterthought
While I thinking Trump should be on the ballot (though I don't think he should be immune in his other cases) and I’d stop short of calling January 6th an insurrection, there’s at least one person in Trump camp who thinks January 6th was an insurrection…
“They kept saying about what I said right after the insurrection,” he said outside Mar-a-Lago after arguments concluded in Washington, D.C. “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.”
Yup. Libertarians are far left, RINO's are far left, Independents are far left, anybody not attending The Church of the Holy Trump is far left.
But the new, magat-infested GOP isn't intolerant, oh no.
Fortunately, I can't see another demagogue of Trumps' caliber on the GOP bench. Maybe after he is banished to oblivion, the GOP can get back to something approaching normal behavior.
Our last election I voted straight Libertarian ticket...those that were pro life anyway.
No, Haley. DeSantis showed no spine during his candidacy. Trying too hard to be 'Trump Lite'.
I would vote for any of those candidates again in a heartbeat. For the record, the MAGA camp has basically labelled all of them RINOs.
Who could not have guessed that?
Would you rather have a person like the Mayor of Boston run the worlds most powerful nation?
The next threat to democracy
By the way, Lincoln was taken off some 5-6 state ballots and still won.
Never had a chance. She will get a consulting job for one of her Billionaire Never Donor's