Supreme Court case re: Trump
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Stix 08-Feb-24
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HDE 08-Feb-24
fdp 08-Feb-24
Stix 08-Feb-24
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From: Stix
08-Feb-24
Just finished listening to the arguments. Testimony is now adourned. It was pretty evident that all of the justices, both liberal and conservative were skeptical of the Colorado decision, as they well should be.

I think it's gonna be a unanimous decision against Colorado.

From: Will tell
08-Feb-24
Im for laws but do believe that Trump should be able to run in November. Hell either be a Champ or a Chump. The only thing I’m pretty sure of neither Trump or Biden will last four more years.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
The case is MUCH bigger than the Colorado ruling. And if that's all that's before the court then the Trump team may very well get a ruling in their favor. The BIG question is, did he fuel an insurrection, and is he eligible to hold office.

From: bowhunt
08-Feb-24
If he fueled an insurrection, wouldn’t he have been charged with that by now fdp?

Seems like January 6th 2021 happened over 3 years ago, plenty of time to bring the charge of the crime was committed. I’m sure millions have been spent trying to find the evidence of that crime.

From: Stix
08-Feb-24
That was one of the arguments. The DOJ could have charged Trump with insurrection, as there is a federal law on the books that he could be charged with. This was not done, because there's no legal grounds for it.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
"If he fueled an insurrection, wouldn’t he have been charged with that by now fdp?".....nope, not neccessarily. Not any more or less so than Joe Biden being charged with crimes he allegedly committed years ago. And the amendment doesn't say anything about whether the person does, or doesn't have to have been charged any way. "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

From: Bowfreak
08-Feb-24
fdp,

By your logic, any state could remove anyone from the ballot just by saying they caused an insurrection. You don't actually believe what you type.

From: HDE
08-Feb-24
"The BIG question is, did he fuel an insurrection..."

Nope. And, there was no insurrection. There was no armed and violent attempt to overthrow the standing government.

08-Feb-24
"The BIG question is, did he fuel an insurrection, and is he eligible to hold office."

thats only a "big question" for those that are looking for anything they can possibly find to pin on trump. for most people...that arent suffering from tds. "insurrection" is not a question at all...let alone a big one.

no doubt what happened on jan 6 was disgusting but only the true anti-trumpers think it rose to the level of "insurrection." if anyone thought they could make that case...the charge would have definitely been brought. after all theyve tried everything else.

to my knowledge...not one person has been convicted of or even charged with "insurrection" in relation to jan 6...even those that actually breached the capital.

"insurrection" is a pipe dream of the anti-trumpers.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
I didn't say anything like that...although I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to make a similar statement. So do the states have the right to remove people from the ballots in their own state? If not, why, and if so, under what condition? Only for state/local elections? And if they aren't allowed to remove people from the ballots in their state, what other rights do they not have that they are currently exercising ?

I personally don't care whether he is or isn't on the ballot. Simply because like I have said before on here, the 2 greatest forms of punishment for him are humiliation/embarrassment, or separating him from some of his money.

And if he is on the ballot, and the majority of the American people elect him...well then so be it. They deserve what ever comes with that. But...I won't likely be getting on forums like this and whining and crying about a stolen election that wasn't 3 years after the fact.

From: Stix
08-Feb-24
I'm not a Trump fan, but in our country, ypu're innocent until proven guilty. Until that happens, it's just an accusation.

That was one of the arguments by the lawyers representing Trump, and by ALL of the justices, liberal and conservative. The DOJ could have charged Trump with insurrection, as there is a federal law on the books that he could be charged with. This was not done, because there's no legal grounds for it.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
By the SIMPLEST definition what took place on January 6th could and probably does qualify as an insurrection. insurrection (noun) · insurrections (plural noun) a violent uprising against an authority or government:

The purpose of the riot was to interrupt the due process of a governmental proceeding, and it did. And it was violent. I mean you can call it what you want to.

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-24
The amendment in question related to insurrection was written for the civil war action. Armed revolt against the country!!

Every single trump supporter at the Jan 6th rally/riot owned a gun and ZERO people brought their firearms to the rally. A peaceful unarmed rally where a fraction of those attending turned it into a riot.

Dems want to call it an insurrection (to further their agenda) but that is just a personal opinion. And no personal opinion serves as a matter of law.

So first the SCOTUS needs to determine if Jan 6th was an insurrection (some kind of weird unarmed insurrection) and THEN they need to determine if Trump's speech (protected by both the 1st amendment and presidential immunity at the time) was somehow "engaging" in the one-sided opinion of an insurrection.

And if all this was an insurrection, then the liberals storming the white house fence in May 2020 forcing secret service to move the President into the emergency bunker and the highest alert at the white house since 9/11.... those protesters all need to be rounded up and jailed, and every Democrat who spoke to them or about them needs to be banned from election for life, too.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
"And if all this was an insurrection, then the liberals storming the white house fence in May 2020 forcing secret service to move the President into the emergency bunker and the highest alert at the white house since 9/11.... those protesters all need to be rounded up and jailed,".......that wouldn't be unreasonable. But the statement about the banning of the Democrats who supported them is nonsense.

From: Mpdh
08-Feb-24
Not all speech is protected by the 1st amendment.

From: bowhunt
08-Feb-24
fdp - “ By the SIMPLEST definition what took place on January 6th could and probably does qualify as an insurrection”

It’s so simple and obvious, no one has beenconvicted or even charged with that crime 3 years later, at least that I can find.

:)

Good one!!!

From: csalem
08-Feb-24
Lots of TDS still so prevalent SMH so ignorant

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
I don't there is much TDS. But there is a BUNCH of DDS or BDS.

From: Matt
08-Feb-24
I BowSniper’s perspective aligns closely with mine.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
bowhunt I'm still not sure what point you are trying to make about someone having been charged with insurrection. That isn't even relevant to the conversation.

From: bowhunt
08-Feb-24

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You brought insurrection up in your first post

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-24
FDP - it's relevant to the initial finding of whether an actual insurrection occurred. Dems think it did, GOP thinks it didn't. What might be a good indicator of whether an insurrection occurred at all? Asking if Trump or anyone at all during the entire riot/event had been charged with insurrection.

It's hard to say Trump engaged in an insurrection if there were no insurrectionists!!

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-24
FDP - If Trump was guilty of insurrection for talking to, or encouraging the rioters of Jan 6th... then similarly any Democrat official who talked to or encouraged the rioters of May 2020 should be banned under the same 14th amendment.

THAT is the problem with all these TDS fueled arguments... they are never applied equally across the aisle.

What about when Schumer threatened the Supreme Court and an assassin followed through on his threat and tried to kill a SCOTRUS judge at home. Is threatening the Court with violent action to alter a Supreme Court decision not a form of insurrection?? What Charge should Schumer face??

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
I did bring it up in the context of section 3 of the 14th Amendment. Section 3 doesn't say anything about anyone having been charged with, or found guilty of insurrection. At all.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
BowSniper...your points are Interesti g, but nonsensical.

The example of the attempt on a Supreme Court Justice isn't an example of insurrection. If it were found to be case of being an accessory or so.ething similar then so be it. Arrest him. I don't have a problem with that.

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-24
FDP - your section 3 refers to anyone having engaged in an insurrection. You need to determine first if an insurrection even occurred, before wanting to say someone engaged in it. How was there an insurrection if there were no insurrectionists??

From: HDE
08-Feb-24
fdp - there was nothing violent about it. No where did Trump say "I command thee, my followers, to storm the Capitol armed with weapons to inflict pain and destruction on federal government property, representatives, and employees.". If you want to see what real insurrection is, study the October Revolution in Russia...

As for states saying who can and who can't be on a ballot without cause or due process, it's kind of breaking the law...

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-24
FDP - the part about Schumer was bonus material. The salient point was my comparison to the May 2020 riot by rabid trump haters who wanted to overthrow him... so dangerous and violent that the President had to be moved to a secure bunker by Secret Service. The closest modern day event to Jan 6th.... and if we are all allowed to declare things to be an insurrection, I declare that event is too.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
And I said I had no issue with charging the folks who participated in those riots.

But the inference that the speech that Donald Trump gave on January 6th, and the support that may have been given to those rioters isn't even similar. And any 8th grader could read the texts of the statements made and know the difference. And that is without taking into consideration the influence of position or office that goes along with the statements.

From: Stix
08-Feb-24
That is your opinion fdp. But what is the legal definition of insurrection as it relates to the 14th amendment. "What one person defines as insurrection. The next person can define as riot."

This was brought during the arguments today by liberal justice Elena Kagan.

This argument would have been put to bed if Trump was convicted of insurrection which is a federal felony.

He was not convicted, or even charged with that statute. I'm predicting a unanimous ruling in Trumps favor.

This

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-24
FDP - go ahead and tell any 8th grader to march over to the Capitol building "to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard". If they do more than that in a violent or destructive manner, arrest them and put them in court. * Not a DC gulag for years with no trial date at all.

And go back and arrest every antifa screaming liberal rioter smashing windows and threatening senators and guests from the Trump inauguration all the way through to today. Equal justice on both sides of the aisle. Fail to do that, and your cause (and opinions) will always be considered a joke.

From: 70lbDraw
08-Feb-24
Apparently there is no difference in standing in front of a burning police station and declaring a peaceful protest, and watching Capitol security as they conduct guided tours, and declaring a full blown insurrection after murdering an unarmed veteran in cold blood.

Same concept as Bidens document stash being legitimate, while trump is obviously trying to steal confidential documents to bring the country down with.

The lefties have a thousand reasons to hate and punish trump, yet support China joe as he has his way with the exact same behavior his worshippers supposedly feel is inappropriate for others.

Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Regardless of how the Democrats walk all over, and manipulate, our justice system in an effort to discredit one idiot over another.

At this point in the game, we get what we deserve. Hopefully nobody here will have to experience their family being the victim of political stupidity and suicide. But, it is comforting knowing that trump is there to take the fall for trying to right the ship.

From: 4nolz@work
08-Feb-24
Is Kamala encouraging people to pay to bail out rioters insurrection? She must be removed from the ballot.

From: Recurve Man
08-Feb-24
Proving not only Louisiana has stupid people but so does Texas.

Go getter Frank.

Shane

08-Feb-24
"And any 8th grader could read the texts of the statements made and know the difference."

i agree. thats why neither trump...or any of the others involved in the jan 6 debacle were charged with insurrection.

to be sure...its not that people wouldnt have liked to (just look at what they have charged trump with)... but even the most rabid of trump haters know that the elements of the crime of insurrection didnt exist. god knows...if they cant bring that charge against trump...and get a conviction in dc...it simply isnt there.

From: fdp
08-Feb-24
"Proving not only Louisiana has stupid people but so does Texas. Go getter Frank.".....Illinois as well....

From: spike78
08-Feb-24
Not one single gunshot by a Trumper on Jan 6 and you idiots claim it’s an insurrection geez can I please tattoo gullible on all your foreheads? If you can’t figure out everything is to keep Trump from being re-elected I will make a fortune off you with my Nebraska ocean front property.

08-Feb-24
Bowsniper nailed it.

From: Stix
08-Feb-24
What the media is not telling you about the 14th amendment is section 5, which directs congress to pass legislation to enforce this amenment.

Congress did just that, made it a federal felony to engage in insurrection.

He was never charged, let alone convicted. Colorado is dead wrong on the whole issue.

From: sundowner
08-Feb-24
I hope the Colorado decision is 9-0, but never trust Kegan, Sotomayor and Jackson. They will try to sound reasonable during arguments but show their true colors when the opinions are written.

A unanimous decision would send a great message and cause liberal heads to explode, which always makes for fun watching.

From: Builder07
09-Feb-24
It will likely be an 9-0 or 8-1 decision and Roberts will send the majority opinion to the most left leaning Justice if he does not write it himself.

I saw Hawaii was tring to amend the state constitution to keep Trump off ballot. I find that quite amusing since this SCOTUS decision should make it clear. But.... Hawaii High Court did just find that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to its citizens right to carry firearms which has already been adjudicated at Scotus.

From: Jim Moore
09-Feb-24
Why are these blue states so afraid of having Trump on the ballot? They are going to elect a democrat anyway.

09-Feb-24
Because the die hard blue sheeple believe the last election wasn’t rigged.

From: DanaC
09-Feb-24
The die hard red sheeple believe it *was*. 60 cases thrown out of various courts, but he couldn't have lost! He is the Donald!

From: spike78
09-Feb-24

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They are also afraid of having RFK on the ballot so let me ask the libs here is this an election for the people or for the Dems?

09-Feb-24
It’s got nothing to do with Donald Trump for a lot of people. Regardless of what you or anyone else implies. However, It’s about this democracy doesn’t exist if our elections are decided instead of voted on.

The only thing that has to do with Donald Trump is he was the one running against the guy that was decided on to be president. He won the first time but, had laws changed, a fake narrative used to suppress the most accurate way our country votes, then got loud and proud because he survived every single bit of it. He’s like the energizer battery to a good bit of moderates and the left. He just keeps going and going.

It’s people like Trump, with all his flaws and issues, that’s tested these limits. And said he isn’t going to take it.

But, you asshats keep on making it a Trump thing. You literally solidify the notion that a good bit of America, regardless of party, thinks our laws are more important then electing the medias idea of a good candidate.

From: DanaC
09-Feb-24
"It’s got nothing to do with Donald Trump for a lot of people. "

Horse apples. If Dems whined like Trumpers after Hillary lost you would - quite rightfully - call them a crazy cult of personality. She lost. They bitched but they didn't riot/insurrect/call it whatever at the Capitol. Those ARE not the actions 'patriots protecting the rule of law.' It was a koolaid party at the behest of an whiny egomaniac.

09-Feb-24
The sound reasoning of the bowsite clown. Nice.

From: Mpdh
09-Feb-24
Usually when someone resorts to name calling, it’s because they know they have lost the argument.

From: bigeasygator
09-Feb-24
but he couldn't have lost! He is the Donald!

My personal favorite are the Trump sycophant led investigations that (1) uncovered no significant fraud and (2) found it was Biden whose votes were undercounted.

From: sundowner
09-Feb-24
"My personal favorite are the GOP led investigations that (1) uncovered no significant fraud "

No significant fraud? What level of fraud do you tolerate? How much fraud is acceptable to you? How much shit in the pool would prevent you from driving right in?

From: Recurve Man
09-Feb-24
About 5 guys on here would jump in the pool and bob for turds. I won’t name them but most could guess who I’m referring to.

Shane

From: bigeasygator
09-Feb-24
What level of fraud do you tolerate?

I’d say I’m good with the amount we have.

09-Feb-24
"Horse apples. If Dems whined like Trumpers after Hillary lost you would - quite rightfully - call them a crazy cult of personality. She lost. They bitched but they didn't riot/insurrect/call it whatever at the Capitol."

good lord...you cant be serious. hillary claimed...and still claims that trump was an illegitimate president...and pretty much the entire democrat party spent 4 years attempting to remove trump from office by falsely accusing him of a whole host of fictitious things.

you truly are delusional.

From: sundowner
09-Feb-24
"I’d say I’m good with the amount we have."

Then you're part of the country's problems.

From: bigeasygator
09-Feb-24
Then you're part of the country's problems.

Well, shockingly, I disagree.

Where I work, we spend a lot of time talking about ALARP. It stands for As Low As Reasonably Practicable. It’s a recognition that at some point the costs outweigh the benefits. That there is a point at which you see diminishing returns where you feel risk management is “sufficient.” It’s also an explicit acknowledgement that risk is not zero - but it’s tolerable.

We have tremendous safeguards in place to deter, detect, and prevent voter fraud, and I think we manage the risk of election fraud to ALARP levels.

It is virtually impossible to perpetrate fraud on a scale that will tip an election. The estimated voter fraud rates are .0003% - so 600 out of 200,000,000 votes.

Again, I’m good with that. If someone shows me any evidence that situation is different, I’m all ears and will reconsider my position. Nobody has yet.

From: sundowner
09-Feb-24
"The estimated voter fraud rates are .0003% - so 600 out of 200,000,000 votes."

Whose estimate is that? Yours? The VERY honest and reliable FEC? The Dem party?

From: bigeasygator
09-Feb-24
You can start with…

The Heritage Foundation https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Or the Brennan Center https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

Or the Brookings Institute https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/

Or the American Association for the Advancement of Science https://www.sciline.org/elections/voter-fraud-ballot-security/

Again, happy to change my mind when someone prevents me with compelling evidence.

10-Feb-24

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Marxist’s and liberals need to remember their history.

From: gjs4
10-Feb-24
Two things surprise me here-

One; Anyone would back a state not allowing a person to be a presidential ballot.

Two: The far left sentiments from some on a hunting forum.

10-Feb-24
"Two things surprise me here-

One: Anyone would back a state not allowing a person to be a presidential ballot.

Two: The far left sentiments from some on a hunting forum."

to their defense...i honestly dont think they really believe most of the things they post. if most of this stuff was about anyone else but trump...theyd see it for the foolishness...as well as the danger that it is.

tds is real...

From: DanaC
10-Feb-24
One thing that surprises me here is the definition some people have of 'far left' - basically, 'anybody who doesn't vote the straight GOP ticket'. Or sing the praises of Blessed Donald Trump (tm)

TDS is real all right,we just define it differently ;-)

10-Feb-24
Now replace Trump for Reagan, George Bush 1&2, McCain, Romney.

If we looked up your posts when they were the candidates.

Now everyone loves Reagan. I’m old enough to remember. Liberals decrying the end of democracy when he was president. Also with Bush, McCain and Romney were evil.

So I’m looking forward to who is the next republican hitler after trump is an afterthought

From: bigeasygator
10-Feb-24
First election I was eligible to vote in was 2000. Voted for Bush twice, McCain, and Romney personally. Voted Libertarian for President the last two elections, and pretty much GOP down the rest of the ballot. Guess that puts me in the far left camp.

While I thinking Trump should be on the ballot (though I don't think he should be immune in his other cases) and I’d stop short of calling January 6th an insurrection, there’s at least one person in Trump camp who thinks January 6th was an insurrection…

“They kept saying about what I said right after the insurrection,” he said outside Mar-a-Lago after arguments concluded in Washington, D.C. “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.”

From: DanaC
10-Feb-24
"Guess that puts me in the far left camp."

Yup. Libertarians are far left, RINO's are far left, Independents are far left, anybody not attending The Church of the Holy Trump is far left.

But the new, magat-infested GOP isn't intolerant, oh no.

From: DanaC
10-Feb-24
" So I’m looking forward to who is the next republican hitler after trump is an afterthought "

Fortunately, I can't see another demagogue of Trumps' caliber on the GOP bench. Maybe after he is banished to oblivion, the GOP can get back to something approaching normal behavior.

From: TGbow
10-Feb-24
I guess I'm in the far out zone..I find myself at odds with the Republicans n Democrats in my family.

Our last election I voted straight Libertarian ticket...those that were pro life anyway.

10-Feb-24
Dana, so you would be all in with DeSantis ?

From: TGbow
10-Feb-24
GOP "normal behavior"...bigger government, higher taxes n less liberty...oh, I'm thinking about 2 sides of the same coin...Democrats n Republicans.

From: DanaC
10-Feb-24
"Dana, so you would be all in with DeSantis ? "

No, Haley. DeSantis showed no spine during his candidacy. Trying too hard to be 'Trump Lite'.

From: 4nolz@work
10-Feb-24
"Republican Hitler" is an idiotic statement.The Facists now call themselves antifacists...the "Democratic Hitlers" are many and include Government Institutions meant to be apolitical like the IRS,DOJ,NSA,CIA and the rest corrupted and politicized by Obama's "Chicago politics".

From: bigeasygator
10-Feb-24
Now everyone loves Reagan. I’m old enough to remember. Liberals decrying the end of democracy when he was president. Also with Bush, McCain and Romney were evil.

I would vote for any of those candidates again in a heartbeat. For the record, the MAGA camp has basically labelled all of them RINOs.

From: TGbow
10-Feb-24
Our nation wasn't formed as a Democracy..mob rule. We use the word "liberal" and "Conservative" today, but somewhere along the way the meanings of those 2 words have changed.

From: sundowner
10-Feb-24
"No, Haley. DeSantis showed no spine during his candidacy. Trying too hard to be 'Trump Lite'."

Who could not have guessed that?

From: Builder07
10-Feb-24
Were fighting the same folks in Iraq today we did during the Bush's. McCain gave us Obama. he had no chance to win as did Romney. When the party has shifted to a America first world leader. That man will be running the country again soon enough. As for his personality.... It's not all that much different to most NYC people if you have ever spent any time on the street there. Much rather take a NYC guy that will assert America's authority worldwide.

Would you rather have a person like the Mayor of Boston run the worlds most powerful nation?

10-Feb-24
If Haley is the Nominee. Watch how fast the knives come out. She will be the new Ava Braun

The next threat to democracy

From: DanaC
10-Feb-24
Probably, but I still think she could whip Biden's butt in a single debate.

From: greg simon
10-Feb-24
A sock puppet without a hand in it could whip Biden in a debate!!!

From: Builder07
10-Feb-24
Haley, she wont make it to SC final. May stay on ballot but you know how it goes. People like to pick winners. Her $ will be gone. She has no chance for a job in SC Gvt or a Trump Administration. Maybe she get a waitress job at the RNC convention. Her politics are like the winds in Indiana.

From: TonyBear
10-Feb-24
"Insurrection" , nobody used that term when Hillary lost in 2016 whined about it or when they were counting ballot chards in FL in 2000 to get Gore into office.

By the way, Lincoln was taken off some 5-6 state ballots and still won.

From: 4nolz@work
10-Feb-24
I liked Haley especially as a VP but she's burned that bridge,too bad because she would be sitting in the catbird seat in 28'

From: Builder07
10-Feb-24
She's is D O N E

Never had a chance. She will get a consulting job for one of her Billionaire Never Donor's

From: Wymuley
10-Feb-24
Yes of course there was an insurrection. The liberals stole the election from the US citizens!

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