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When i found out a drew my tag i was on a BBQ tour in Texas. After 16 years of applying i guess i didn’t think i would draw. Needless to say....im not in sheep shape. When i found out i drew i was 245#. I've lost 10# sence. I would like to drop another 35# or more before my hunt. I got 3 months. Im looking for tips and advice from you guys that have had to prepare quick for big mountain hunts. I drew S9 Colorado tag. Very steep unit.
I went from about 220 to 185 from time I drew my sheep tag to opening day. Ate about perfect. Went to gym 6 days a week. Ran up and down with and without pack on only hill in town I don't even know how many times. On weekends climbed all over my unit with a pack heavier than necessary. Went to being winded climbing gentle slopes to being able to climb all over unit above 13k at times.
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Good advice here from bowsiters is similar thread I started at similar time when I drew.
Rucking would be your best bet for getting ready for steep mountains in 3 months. Luckily for you, you have lots of mountain trails close by. Lifting weights is always good for strength and boosting metabolism.
For diet, just reduce calories but still eat lots of protein to keep from losing muscle and keep your energy up. Drinking additional water helps keep you from feeling hungry.
Here's the hard part, you have to give up Mexican food. :)
Weight is everything in the mountains and I think the bigger guys are (bigger as in build, not fat), the less they realize it because a small amount of weight added or lost is difficult to conceptualize. Every lb you lose is going to pay dividends in the mountains, so get your body fat % down. One lb carried up and then down 6-7K feet takes an incredible amount of energy.
Small amounts of weight make a huge difference in your endurance while climbing and how your legs/feet feel at the end of the day and when you're not beating yourself up as much, your recovery is faster.
I'm 6'0" and currently weigh 160 lbs. The most I've ever weighed in my life is 164 lbs. But I work out year round and it's been more than 20 years since I've had any sort of sweet drink like a Coke or eaten at a chain fast-food restaurant. Once these things are no longer part of your life for a while and you view them as poison, you cease missing them altogether and it becomes easy.
If you live off of meat and veggies, it makes a huge difference to your metabolism. Ditch the bread, pasta, and potatoes and workout every single day.
Don't focus on weights for hypertrophy, but rather weights for strength, which means lower weight and higher rep count. Hypertrophy, especially in the upper body, is purely cosmetic and hinders you in the mountains because you have to lug those big deltoids around that do you no good when you're staring at your second 3K foot ascent of the day.
Strengthen your quads, hams, glutes, and calves. You can do a lot of work just with your own body weight with body-weight squats and single foot toe lifts, which can be done anywhere without a gym. I do bodyweight squats and toe lifts at work. You can get a ton of leg work done 5 minutes here and 5 minutes there.
Stretch your hips and calves/Achilles.
Workout your treking pole ascent muscles by doing the same type of exercise required to ascend.
And cardio sucks, but you have to do it for the mountains.
You have to take in fewer calories than you burn. It's simple.
But even more importantly you need to get your lungs and heart in tip top shape as well as your legs.
If you do that, it won't be a big problem.
But 10lbs. a month is quite a bit if you aren't overweight now. You will need to be careful and decrease muscle.
"But 10lbs. a month is quite a bit if you aren't overweight now."
First off, he said above that he was 245 lbs. He is not 6'8" tall.
I absolutely disagree with you if you're saying that he needs to avoid losing weight fast. Sheep season is just over 3 months away. That's just flat out wrong.
One of the nice things about this site and most others is one is free to agree or disagree with anyone one chooses.
I don't know how tall he is, how obese he is or isn't or how active he is or isn't. That being the case I'll stand by my statement.
Thx for your post Idyll, very thorough. Being 6’ tall and 160 shows consistent discipline. Training for Mountain hunts is tricky business. You also need to balance your training regiment to your age. Strong and steady wins the race. Good luck Forest.
Well, I do know him. He and most Americans who weigh 245 or more, are fat and being fat is non-conducive to not only sheep hunting, but a host of other health-related issues.
The "don't lose weight fast" myth that has been recycled over and over in America is just nonsense. It's always the right time to not be obese.
You may start to see less gains from a starvation diet when you lose weight fast, but that's it and that's the only reason to lose weight slowly, or the generally-accepted 1-2 lbs/month. There is no long-term study/data that says losing weight "fast," for purposes of this discussion, 10 lbs a month, is bad for you when you are obese/have a high body-fat %.
What we do have is gobs of data that show that people have less cancer, hypertension, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease (heart attacks and strokes) when they decrease their body fat % and overall size.
Also, his hunt is in just over 3 months. He needs to lose at least, if not more than 10 lbs per month to be in optimum shape for a sheep hunt. It's not bad for him to do it and it's only going to help him on his hunt and for his general health.
You can stand by your incorrect opinion, but it doesn't make it correct or save you face. Everyday I go to work, I have to work to break down ridiculous health myths from the general population and I do it here as well because belief in them (and there are many) is ubiquitous and ridiculous.
I would forget about your weight and hit steep mountain climbs with pack and boots. Plenty of stretching to keep from getting injured. Just eat a healthy diet and the weight cutting will just happen. Getting legs and feet ready is the main thing I would think.
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Oddly enough I never said anything about obesity being a good thing or losing weight being a bad thing. Nor as I previously stated do I have any first hand knowledge of his current level of fitness or percentage of fat to body weight. I.also don't feel the need to make any kind d of effort to "save face".
I went from 190 to 158 but over two years. i am 5.8 and 66. Now the whales are after me at the pool. I do weights cadio and aquatics. It just pisses my wife off as she was a professional ballet dancer and always in shape. Start now and dont stop. my firsst elk hunt I col iwas 26 and thought I was in shap. Nope and it killed me trying to keep up with guide.
Some of this stuff is mind over matter…. How bad do you want it ? And I know Forrest wants it bad.
Omg. There’s some really tiny guys here. No wonder there’s never any size Smediums in stock.
Big dudes kill sheep and goats every year. It comes down to mental toughness.
I got it to lose i promise! At 200# i can run mountains and kick trees down. Getting back into a workout routine is tuff. Everything hurts right now. Wanting to do more but trying to pace myself because injury c ant happen with only 3 months. Living at 6,000' helps.
Good luck and don’t push it to hard that first month. Find a steep hill and put 40lbs in a back pack. A bag of water softener salt works great. Hike for an hour up a down 5-6 times a week and you should be good.
You will get there living at 6K definitely helps. I’m one of the few that doesn’t go west to hunt I go east living at 480 above sea level sucks !
Total faith in seeing pics of a dead ram. Killers kill !
My experience is that losing weight is about 90% diet. You can dial your diet in immediately, but ramp up your work outs slower. The worst thing that could happen is an injury because you went to hard to quick.
It's easier to stay in shape then get in shape. Don't worry you'll lose 10-15 pounds each scouting trip in there. Maybe reach out to Ermine. Justin killed a heck of a ram in there with his bow a few years ago. Dan Clum has also hunted it might wanna go to the shop and pick his brain. You have your work cut out for you lots of basins void of sheep in there.
ike fdp is correct ! second for strength you do lower reps heavy weight the exact opposite of what you said. when i train for strength 5 sets of 5 reps heavy weight higher reps lower weight is for bodybuilding forest as you know cardio is the thing in the mountains lose as much as you can without losing strength. you'll do great
A Trainer? You got this Forest I think having good legs and lungs will over come
Congrats on the tag, I drew S09 2 years ago! My two Cents are below..
When I drew the tag I was about 215lbs. I’m about 6’2 and was in okish shape. I changed my diet literally the day my cc got charged. I hit some trails near town with a pack and did a bunch of other physical training.
The thing that helped me the most was buying a bike. I rode my bike each night after work, and had one goal- to ride further than the day before. My first ride was 3 miles- it opened my eyes and reminded me how out of shape I was. The last bike ride (day before season opened) was 52 miles. I felt great, and super confident I would have the endurance required for my hunt.
The one thing I wish I would have done more and trained for was the weight of my pack. 65 lbs when I left the truck with the plan of camping for 7 nights. The weight slowed my hiking down tremendously. For reference the trail I hiked took 6.5 hours with my pack loaded, and when I hiked it with empty pack took 2.5 hrs.
Hope this helps! Feel free to DM if you want more.
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Lot of good advice but the best way to train for hunting in the mountains is hiking in the mountains or as close to that as you can replicate. Start with a 25lb pack and work your way up to match your hunting pack.
Next stop drinking hard liquor. Beer and wine is ok in moderation but cut out the hard stuff.
Next, watch what you eat. Smaller portions and less carbs. Everything in moderation is best if you simply can’t do without something.
Good luck, S9 is a hard unit for sure but a great one for so many reasons.
Back when I was 265 lbs and in 7 months I was down to 195, I had two very strict rules.
1- Don't lose the same pound twice ( no cheating!)
2- If it goes in (my mouth/eating), it goes on as pounds.
Be strict and consistent and you will be just fine.
S9 certainly is a tough hunt man.
Good luck, Robb
Most sheep guides are thin and their legs are five feet long! It would take me three strides to their one! Although, Dustin Rowe is short and small. Tough as nails and has been on more sheep kills than most. When it comes to mountain hunts, small/thin is better. Ike is spot on. Good luck and work hard. It will pay off.
I’ve been on about a dozen sheep hunts and I’ve been 250# before. Presently at 202 and have several sheep hunts coming up later this summer and fall. At 54 years old with a pending meniscus surgery in four weeks, I focus on the scale and legs legs legs, with descending being a bigger limiting factor for me than ascending.
I find that if I can walk up and down the stadium steps at the HS with ease while carrying a 55# pack, then I know I’m on the right track.
I hope that I’m right on this years plan with it being somewhat focused on getting to about 195-200#, build ascending cardio with treadmill set to 15 grade and additionally doing stadium workouts. I’ll also add outdoor hikes to build “time on feet” conditioning too.
For me I don’t want any burst movement type exercises as the risk of injury is too great. I’ll hunt at my own pace which keeps the hunt fun and productive.
Stay within yourself and get to the mountains healthy. One step in front of the other is the way to go.
Good luck! Once you get to the opener the rest of the stuff is behind you and you just have to do the best with who you are on that given day.
Intermittent fasting. I LOVE to eat and can eat 2 dinners easily. I would have never thought I could do it. It is not that bad. Especially when I am busy.
Water. That’s all you drink. Protein and veggies. Drop the bread, pasta, sweets, etc…. Get your carbs from the veggies. Limit protein. Meaning 6OZ servings for a big supper. Two tuna pouches with three boiled eggs for lunch. ETC…. You’ll be where you want to be pretty fast.
There’s no need for calorie counting if you aren’t eating processed food. Eat every 4 hours or so and no carbs from anything except veggies. That means a lot of veggies. It will melt off you.
I lost 25 lbs by just cutting out the sugar in my diet and drinking bourbon for a few months instead of beer. Bourbon has 90 calories per drink, beer has too many calories to count, lol.
I dont drink or eat/drink sugar or very little.
If you were on a Texas BBQ tour you probably were eating more sugar than you thought. A lot of brown sugar is used on BBQ and in BBQ sauces
Based off the sheep hunts I have been on; you can never be in good enough shape. With that said, sheep hunting is a marathon, not a sprint. I was in better "gym" shape than all the guides I hunted with, but there is a difference between working out at home and being in the mountains. Forest you will be fine, you chase elk down each season so I would not worry about it too much. Try and get in as best of shape as you can between now and then and bring a never give up attitude and you will be fine. The mental game is more important than the physical, at least it was for me on my hunts.
MQQSE brings up a good point about the descents. I learned that the hard way on my first sheep hunt when I needed to quickly descend 1500 feet to try and get on sheep down in a ravine at the end of a long day of ascents and descents.
Your quads need to be both buff and toned. I'm still skinny-legged, but my quads are now much bigger than they used to be by doing body-weight squats year-round and walking backwards down the stair-stepper.
I'm not a big fan of deadlifts and other quad exercises involving weights because I believe the risk to your back and knees is not worth it.
I gained about 7-8 pounds this winter. I'm down about 4. Need to get back to 197-200. Feel better when there.
Tough unit Forest. You’ll be fine. The better shape you start out in the easier it’ll be.
Guided or Unguided, there is a difference.
The good thing is you live here, getting in shape should be easy. Mid week hit the closest hills hard, weekends, either scout the unit, or hit those high altitude lakes you always wanted to fish.
I seem to remember you getting ready for your goat hunt Forest and I'm sure you can do this. Maybe Kelli will drag you away form the table after one plate and make you do more chores.
Or you could go on the Hollywood diet...Ozempic. On second thought, ignore that advice!
I had another month to get read for that goat hunt.
You will need to steer clear of Jardine and her cooking for sure. Knowing you, I have no doubt you will get where you want to be and sheep will die. I think it will kick your ass the first few days, then it will get easier.
Ike…Forest and I are just “big boned”. ;) I’ve done 12 sheep hunts and was only under 245 on two of them. You can do it, and every lb off helps, but the mental aspect of sheep hunting is as important as the physical aspect. Get in the best shape you can and be mentally ready. You’ll do just fine. Do whatever you did getting ready for your goat hunt and you will be fine.
Cory, you're fat too, but not as fat as Forest :)
I'm pretty sure you're significantly taller than Forest though, so 245 on you is not 245 on Forest, although I could be wrong on that.
Look, Forest knows as well as I do that he's not new to the mountains - he's in the mountains all autumn. He's already started losing weight. I'm just urging him on and giving him exercises that have helped me and my legs.
I'm not saying you need to be a stick-figure like me to hunt sheep. But it sure helps and whatever you lose is going to help. I know I get around a lot better when I cut even a small amount of weight from my pack and I've yet to see a "big guy" that can keep up with me. I'm certainly not saying any specific person cant, but there is no denying that weight makes a huge difference.
So I think Forest having a goal of hitting 200 is not only doable, but will help him out a lot.
And to the two guys up above that think it's not advisable for a middle aged man to lose 45 lbs in a little over 3 months, you are dead wrong. Losing weight at that speed is not ideal, but it is not a problem in order to get in shape for an OIL tag/hunt.
Also remember, 209 or 219 may not be 200, but it’s also not 245. Don’t get fixated on a number. Get fixated on steady progress and having an enjoyable and successful hunt.
I’ve hunted the mountains at every 10 lb weight bracket between 170 and 250 and I can honestly say 250 was humiliatingly terrible where 210 was not bad.
Make progress every day, get stronger and have the right outlook. Take it from a guy who wishes he could have a redo on his Colorado sheep tag.
Every one is built different. I wrestled my senior year of high school at 189# but there is no question lighter is better. Ill do what i can and come August ill go kill a ram.
Thanks Ike…I really am fat now as I haven’t done a thing but fish since my sheep hunt in August. Forest…we all know you know what needs to be done. You have a jump start on most living where you live and doing what you do, now get after it! Good luck…Can’t wait to see hero pics.
Congrats you’ll have a blast. I’d recommend cardio and step ups, legs and heart are most important IMO, not packing heavy. Good luck!
Weight, like age, is merely a number! What weight do you identify as? When you step on the scales at the gym and it reads "one at a time, please", that's your sign!
You got this Forest... As Cam would say, Work Harder Nobody Cares.. Truth.. Then get yo butt back to Colorado :)
Forest- sure sounds to me like you get it regarding this topic. Lighter is better, no doubt. Whatever weight you end up hunting at, I'm sure you'll give it your all and have fun doing it. I hope you have a blast and make the best outta your tag. Good luck!
May 1st 235# 3.8 miles out and back 920ft gain and loss 1:28 min. Im going to fast today.
I'm excited for you. You're obviously motivated. You're going to have an amazing hunt.
This will be my first sheep hunt. I get more excited every day. I started to put together my pack all ready! Lol
Lots of good stuff above, I happened to finally draw CO sheep this year as well so I'm motivated to stay fit, fortunately, my main activity other than hunting is alpine climbing, so I have a decent background in staying light and fit for moving in the mountains... I'm on the other end of the spectrum attempting to keep weight on most of the time but the overall isn't much different, some things that have worked for me long term:
the gym is the place to build strength, squats, deadlifts, and benchpress are the base to build everything else off of, I do 6 weeks of max strength, 2-3X a week, 6-7 sets of 3 reps, heavy weights, then switch to an endurance phase, take the max weights you were lifting and cut them 50%, 4 sets, 20, 15, 13,10 reps, 6 weeks and you should be pretty much ready to go. walking or really low heart rate running is the fastest way to drop pounds, just watch for planar fasciitis if you suddenly take up running. sounds like you have diet pretty well in hand, if you arent supplementing creatine I'd start, you may hold on to some water but the increased recovery is well worth it.
Fasted for 48 hrs. Nothing but water and black coffee. Cut 6 min off that hike the 2nd time i did it. Low weight high rep squats. 10 sets of 10 at 135 is my base start. Will be nice when the weight comes off because everything hurts!!! Lol.
Forest go on 'Naked and Afraid'. You can do some serious fasting.
Maybe I should fast too! Just had some leftover birthday cake and an iced cofeee. Coffee was black though. Keep it up.
I’ve hit a plateau, but I think I know why. :(
I drew an S20 Tag, and I'm not in sheep shape. I've signed up for Mountain Tough and will begin the ramp program this weekend. My plan is to follow the minimum equipment programs to improve my endurance and leg strength. While weight loss may happen, it's not my primary goal. Let the games begin!
I had S20 a few years ago.
Got board yesterday and drove down to my sheep unit. 3.5 hours. Just wanted to lay eyes on it.
Did a little hike. Added weight to my pack for the first time. Trail was good but steep. Just did a couple miles.
Found a new hike by the house. A really good one. It was to muddy to do it all but i bet there is another half mile. So fortunate to have this in my back yard
I lost two toenails on that S20 sheep hunt.
Nope! They eventually grew back though. You may run across mine up behind Monarch.
Forest, you got this. Ed F
When I used to prep for sheep hunts I'd load a 50lb bag of corn in the pack. Best to stay off the trails as much as possible and sidehill most of the time as you climb. Totally different workout on the legs and ankles. Also, may want to trade in that dog for one big enough to ride:) Most importantly, HAVE FUN!
Sounds like you are making outstanding progress.
I'm on a similar mission. This fat guy from the prairies is going on a goat hunt in 5 months. I’m down 35lbs since jan01. My recipe is … sugar - zero; carbs - less than 20g per day ; meat and veg - all I can eat ; Salt - 50lbs per hike (in my Kifaru pack). Good luck!!
"Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor."
Keep up the great work.
Forrest, Regardless of all this, The solution is not that complicated. "Embrace the Suck!!" Hike as much as you can with your pack. As your legs and lungs become stronger increase the weight and duration. Go at your own pace and dont hurt yourself. When your hunt comes, your mindset needs to be "Put one foot in front of the other". That will carry you (as it has me) up any mountain and the rest will take care of itself. I am 61, a bit over my ideal weight and have a mt hunt coming in August in the Yukon and right now it's looking daunting as hell, but I know my mind and training will be what makes it successful in the end! Stay strong, positive and motivated! How can you not? You're going sheep hunting!! Good luck and we want pics!!
225 this morning and my new spotting scope showed up. Looking for a tripod any recommendations?
Sirius carbon tripod in the size you need paired with an Outdoorsman’s pan head. Keep killing the training and train your body and mind harder than you think is possible and necessary; you’ll be ready!
For mountain hunting it's all about the cardio. Get your body used to heavy breathing and an elevated heart rate for extended amounts of time. By far, the best training is running. If you can't run, figure out what you can do that keeps you short of breath for at least an hour. Rucking, crossfit, the Murphy workout, are all good options.
I did a high country hunt last year and felt as strong or stronger than when I was 25. I just turned 62. Push your workouts as hard as you can. Off season, I run daily and do the Murphy at least once a week. Getting closer to the big hunts, I do more rucking with 40-50# in the hills.
Diet is important as well. I'm convinced that if we all gave up sugar and gluten, which is worse than sugar, we would all slim down. When my wife found out that she was gluten intolerant, and we removed all forms of gluten from our diets, we both felt better and lost weight. My constant heartburn went away as well. The gluten we eat today is completely different from what we ate 30 years ago.
Good luck on your journey.
Forrest- I was in a French bakery this morning. When I saw this sign I could help but think about you and your quest to get in shape for your upcoming sheep hunt.
Late to the thread… Drew a S20 tag, this will be the third year hunting sheep there. First time with a tag. 65 and over weight! Lots of miles hiking since I got the email. Good luck to everyone who got a tag
220 this morning. Lost 25lbs in the month of may. Right on track Next 20 im sure will be slower.
Well done Forrest!
You’re gonna need a whole new wardrobe at the pace you’re going.
Did 16.5 miles in my unit this weekend. 12 yesterday with 3500' gain and loss. Felt really good except for my feet. 35# pack. 218 Friday morning.
Keep it up! But... know when to take some recovery time! You definitely don't want to mess w an injury to your feet or legs. While getting ready for Kodiak last year I had some feet issues that retarded my training. Great job so far!
214# have done 63 miles with 35#+ pack so far in mouth of June. All mountain trails. Trying to eat more protein, im pretty sure i was losing muscle mass.
Outstanding Forest!
Keep up the great work!
“Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor” -Alexis Carrel
206# Did 103 miles in June on mountain trails with a pack. Burning pretty hot right now.
Awesome weight loss keep it up.
Great job! This hunt is going to fun to follow.
You caught me! I was about 210 when you began and I thought “this guy is in trouble”. Nice job!
204 this afternoon. I cant seem to eat enough. Did 24 miles in 3 days. Heading back to my unit on Tuesday. Feeling great really strong. Will be 200 by the end of the week.
Forest, have you lost so much weight that you have disappeared? How is the scouting and training going:?
Im right on track. 202 this morning. Ate 2 beef steaks yesterday. Heading down to scout for a couple of days. Have fond some sheep just not the ram im looking for. Hes there somewhere! Feel really good. Couple weeks till go time.
You got this Forest! Seen a nice group of sheep with a pair of nice rams along the river east of Cotopaxi on Tuesday last week.