Chinese Bows and Chinese cars
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Saw where China is making a $10,000 electric car that is suppose to put American automakers out of business. They are selling millions of them but they can not be bought here. Good thing
Just heard news tonight Biden is going to put a tariff on Chinese EV car imports...
the car is called the BYD seagull. an average size american can't fit comfortably inside and it has a 0-60 time of 9 seconds.
i doubt ford or gm are worried. but, carry on......
Does it apply to EVs from Mexico when China gets their plants up and running? Or apply to the dozens of other cars built in Mexico?
Actually they are very worried. But just don’t let em in the country. I won’t buy an electric car but someone on a budget may buy one of these. I have no use for it. My Gasoline truck does just fine.
Actually they are very worried. But just don’t let em in the country. I won’t buy an electric car but someone on a budget may buy one of these. I have no use for it. My Gasoline truck does just fine.
You can buy a Tesla pretty cheap on the used market. I’m sure ALL OF THEM will need $10/$12,000 worth of batteries from the get-go. ;-))
Yes, Biden after demonizing Trumps tariffs on China once again reversed himself and put tariffs back in place. About time since China is against free trade and the free market.
"Yes, Biden after demonizing Trumps tariffs on China once again reversed himself and put tariffs back in place."
What do you mean "back in place?" He, unfortunately, never got rid of any.
When we are FORCED to buy EVs this will be what America will look like. WHY? The average person will not be able to afford one OR replace the battery when it dies because of cost. The Electric bikes will be the new transportation.
Any one remember the Yugo, small, cheap and short life.
Are you guys familiar with the story: "Chicken Little?"
whether EV's will be a viable replacement remains to be seen as far as i am concerned. it'll be at least another 10-20 years of development before we know.
some people are triggered at the mention of an EV. i get they are costly, do not have as much range as a gas-powered car/truck, may be an environmental hazard, etc.
i am not an advocate for EV's but, ALL of us rely on battery phones and tools that 20 years ago most of us would have never thought they would have such common place in our lives. look at the popularity here on bowsite of electric bikes.
knowing how we put men in space, an EV/robot on mars, and as someone that grew up with a rotary phone on the kitchen wall and having to get off the sofa to turn the TV channel, i would not be surprised if EV's will be a good option when/if the market develops as it has for so many other products.
keep your emotions in check.
Sorry, BEG, he raised the tariffs, same sentiment.
I have a cousin in Sichuan whose pride & joy is a Fred Bear recurve. He shoots a long bow and an ancient Japanese long bow as well.
Someone fact check me
I understand batteries need Lithium imported from China....I read the US just found the Worlds largest lithium deposit in Utah or Idaho? but that they won't allow mining????
If we had a domestic source it would change things (like using our own oil)
"If we had a domestic source it would change things (like using our own oil)"
I must not understand... are you proposing the government set prices instead of the free market?
Nyati's link.... this proposed mining is clearly a threat to the Boundary Waters.... I value environment protection over economic gain every time.
bluedog I don't know how you got that from my post.
Nyati what I was referring to was specifically lithium I was hoping someone could confirm I'm pretty sure it was out West.
My bad 4nolz... assumed by changing things you meant the price of oil or lithium. Guess if it increased world supply it would lower costs.
I guess I meant general acceptance in the US not subject to tariff whims of politicians.
I did a quick search on this small phone screen there is only 1 lithium mine in the US near Nevada Oregon border
I'm open to EVs but believe the US should use our own natural resources
Just a mention.... Buick Envison and Lincoln Nautilus are both made in China. Thought it interesting
"Americans have been driving these Chinese-built cars for years — and Biden's tariffs likely won't impact them"
I won’t ever drive an electric car
There’s a massive lithium mine beginning development in northern Nevada, full capacity is projected in 2028. Thacker Pass is the name of it and it’s reportedly being developed over the largest lithium deposit in the world.
I have no issue with EVs. If they are less expensive over 10 years, more durable, more capable, convenient, easier to maintain and not full of privacy issues like tracking, remote access, etc. If they are a better product, count me in.
Let the market decide and the manufacturers build what people want without the Government picking winners.
I have no issue with EVs. If they are less expensive over 10 years, more durable, more capable, convenient, easier to maintain and not full of privacy issues like tracking, remote access, etc. If they are a better product, count me in.
Let the market decide and the manufacturers build what people want without the Government picking winners.
As for China, tariffs can have their place but its just a tax paid for by the end user with the funds going to the Government. We are so deep into depending on China for manufacturing basically everything, we aren't going to be pushing them around much.
Ev,s are getting much better. I own a second generation auto service center. First opened 1958, my dad. I have 7 customers that have ev. None say anything back about them. There's really not much maintenance them so far only tires and wiper. Did a state inspection on one just a few days ago. Ifi remember right 84k on it and it's brake were still about 85%. Chargers are becoming more of a home thing. Charge times are coming down. Distances traveled on a charge is going up. Way easier to bring in ev cars then it was gas cars. Many said Ford would not replace the horse. No roads, only horse trails, no place to fill up. The biggest threat to petroleum will be the e v cars. Love when I see a friends post on Facebook about high fuel costs and post negative stuff on ev vehicles. Ev is the biggest competition to petroleum, just look at the commercials on tv now. Put 100million more ev on the road and we'll be debating whether it's worth buying a ev or gas car because thing we be more equaled out. That may be year 2050 or 2075. But it will come.
^^ a) what are they burning to produce that EV 'fuel' ?
b) what does each state charge as a tax on electricity?
c) what happens when different states decide to charge a surtax on electricity used for EV's? (and I will bet cold hard cash money that some states are rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation.)
"what are they burning to produce that EV 'fuel' ?"
Natural gas, oil, coal and nukes. But at about say 4 gallon of oil to charge a ev that can now go 400 miles. Thats 100mpg. I'm sure in 10 15 years it be 125 mpg.charging Natural gas less. And on nukes and wind almost nothing..
In PA they are talking about road tax based on how far you drive in-between state inspection.
I don't have all the answers, but I'm sure their trying to come up with them.
By the way who is the Chinese bow companies? I've just seen one yet.
There’s a massive lithium mine beginning development in northern Nevada, full capacity is projected in 2028. Thacker Pass is the name of it and it’s reportedly being developed over the largest lithium deposit in the world.
Thanks for the information
I’ll continue driving diesel trucks till I’m dead. Even if it’s $10 a gallon.
“There’s a massive lithium mine beginning development in northern Nevada, full capacity is projected in 2028. Thacker Pass is the name of it and it’s reportedly being developed over the largest lithium deposit in the world.”
At what point will the left start screaming about how we’re ruining our planet by mining lithium in the USA? I guess if it supports the agenda, anything is possible. Of course, it’ll be more expensive since we can’t hire children to do the work. Oh wait, I forgot, we have illegal aliens swarming here to take the jobs our children refuse to do.
"We are so deep into depending on China for manufacturing basically everything, we aren't going to be pushing them around much."
cant the same thing be said in reverse? how much is china going to push around the largest consumer of their goods? it is very much a symbiotic relationship.
"By the way who is the Chinese bow companies? I've just seen one yet."
theres a number of them on the traditional side. some american brands are actually rebranded chinese products.
" "what are they burning to produce that EV 'fuel' ?"
Natural gas, oil, coal and nukes. "
Natural gas is finite as is oil. (and coal.) Nuclear? When did we last license a new nuclear plant in the United States? (Or even a fossil fuel-fired generating plant?)
People talk about charging EVs at their home, but can our infrastructure handle that much more demand? What happens when storms take down power lines and nobody has electricity for three or four days? (If I had spare cash I would invest in Generac & Champion.)
Solar and wind may seem like viable options, but the wind doesn't always blow, and the sun shines in the daytime - when most EV's are at work, not at home plugged into the chargers. (One solution might be to have charging stations at work sites, but how many employers can afford to do this?)
BTW, what happens to old EV batteries? Hard enough to dispose of an old laptop!
"One solution might be to have charging stations at work sites, but how many employers can afford to do this?"
many already are...for a charge...part of fringe benefit packages...etc. many apartment complexes have charging stations.
How many employee cars can be charged at work? Lower and upper limits? I've worked in places with over 1000 employees. Could you possibly accommodate that many in a parking lot? And can all the small job shops afford to put in any stations?
My bottom line is that converting to electric vehicles is for now, and will remain a logistical nightmare.
"My bottom line is that converting to electric vehicles is for now, and will remain a logistical nightmare."
i totally agree. at this point...and likely for long into the future...it is a very small niche...almost a virtue signal.
I wonder if it’s powered by Duracells?
The largest deposit for metals used in new green electronics mfg.(nickel) was found in Tamarack MN, and yes the DFL trifecta, enviro liberals, et al in the state are trying their hardest to keep it from being mined .
"The largest deposit for metals used in new green electronics mfg.(nickel) was found in Tamarack MN, and yes the DFL trifecta, enviro liberals, et al in the state are trying their hardest to keep it from being mined."
so the same people that want us all to drive evs...dont want anyone to mine for the materials required to make them. sounds about right.
reminds me of the time ted kennedy (with the help of rfk jr) tried like hell to kill a wind farm project off nantucket.
nimby...
Wow we started discussing Lithium and now articles pop up on my phone......
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-vast-untapped-source-of-lithium-has-just-been-found-in-the-us
They have found large amounts of domestic lithium in fracking wastewater in Pennsylvania
^^ sounds like a conspiracy!
DanaC makes excellent points. We had the “Big Freeze” in Texas a few years ago and some people were without power for days just because it got cold. Infrastructure first, EVs next. They have the cart before the ……in this case……..jackass.
Glunt, if the Government let the market decide on EV's how can Biden's donors make big $$$. Seems to me Hybrids would be the way to go until all the kinks are fixed regarding EV's but then again how can donors make big money. One thing i did notice about people driving EV's, they all drive like a holes.
