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Official results are supposed to be out tomorrow. They began hitting cards yesterday and from a KDWP employee they were “trying to only hit successful applicants this year”, but he could not guarantee that a charge may show up and then disappear for some unsuccessful folks as they iron out their system.
For a second backdoor option though, it appears preference point totals have been updated. Checked my buddy’s account this morning and he has a new point with (unsuccessful) notice attached. He applied for a couple units that have historically been some of the easiest to draw.
Think we’re just about to the point Kansas will be every other year for most. Hopefully the department can continue to hold off the push for raising quotas and implementing transferable tags.
You got me all excited KB so I logged in and checked my pronghorn points... still no update since last year. :)
I have a PP added since yesterday ... only 2nd time I've ever not draw for the Unit 1 Oh well ... and at my age ( 55 ) I can see on the horizon the number of times I can hunt Kansas. My Dad last went with me at 72 years old ... that's 17 years from now. Funny, life, hunting, perspective ....
Ha! I think you have a while longer for that one Jason.
That’s a bummer stealthy, but not surprising. I think Unit 1 has had the highest percentage of tag reductions the last few years.
They need to cap the bonus point system at 1
My points updated to 0 so looks like i drew. I had 1 so i was expecting to draw.
Stealthy, I will be 72 when deer season gets here this fall. I hope I have a few more years in me. We never know when our last year may come.
What’s your theory on that Michael? Hadn’t realized it until I just looked but they put out a much more detailed ‘23 draw results page recently that breaks down apps by point totals. First time they’ve done that. Still a guarantee with a point in all units last year by quite a decent margin, so my comment about being every other year is a little misleading. Though it does feel like it’s still heading that way. Anyway, really no sense in holding more than one point right now. What would capping it do?
congrats to all that drew - I'll say this, with seeing so many fewer big bucks than ever, its ok not to draw and spend the $$$$$ ... I'll miss the people I hunt with
maybe I can find a discounted hunt - this frees up 10 days :)
Every third or 4th year would thin out all the miserable yuppies that show up to hunt towers and corn feeders.
11,000 more applications than last year. Lots of guys crying the blues.
Interesting. Is that number from the department?
the outfitters are the problem
I hunt a farm that is a mile of creek bottom, I think 3 of us hunt it yearly. If an outfitter had it he'd put 3-4 hunters every week for 8-10 weeks on it and they'd kill 20-25 bucks off it from 110" up
destroying resources is what they're doing and taking locals places to hunt
That’s pretty crazy if accurate Forrest. After the covid goings on in ‘20 apps went up about 7,000 for ‘21. ‘22 saw about 100 more apps. And last year there was a decent jump with another 2,200 to just over 32,000 total. +11,000 in one year seems wild considering access issues and the quality of the hunt in much of the state. That number of unsuccessful apps would make more sense as there were about 10,000 last year that didn’t draw.
stealth you have a lot of NRs leasing up land now in Kansas too for the hunting, not just outfitters. I know one state's hunting forum they talk about their Kansas leases frequently and trespass fee hunts - not going with outfitters.
And then there’s the nonresident outfitters…
A buddy texted the deer biologist this morning and he didn’t even know the total applications yet. Forrest must have some friends in high places.
Lease costs here in Kansas are higher than they've ever been, so every nonresident gets his 5 buddies to help pay for it. My taxidermist gets $9k for his 160 acres. Paid for his Alaska trip last year. For reference, I used to pay $4k for 3000 acres. It's absolutely stupid.
"Carry on my wayward son" was my favorite Kansas track ;0] scentman
First “Dear Shug” letter I’ve ever seen….
How much does the tag and license cost?
Nyati, You had 5 points then lost them because you didnt use them. So you wasted 10 years. Now you have 2 points and can draw anywhere in the state but still not using them? Are you ever planning to hunt KS? I dont understand your thinking.
Thornton, I've heard from a neighboring landowner that a 200 acre piece in Osage County went for $17k. It was specified in the agreement that no more than 3 hunters allowed. He said 2 guys are splitting it. Now it's a pretty prime piece, but damn.
I wouldn't doubt it. This whole thing of chasing calcium deposits has turned every nonresident with money into an idiot.
I'm not really chasing calcium deposits I'm just hunting for a mature buck in a place with public land or accessible land where they haven't all been killed off by wolves. I never have, and doubt if I ever will lease or pay an outfitter. I prefer DIY.
You guys who live and hunt in states that don't have wolves probably think that wolves don't concern you but they actually do. Hundreds if not thousands of hunters have been displaced from places like northern Wisconsin, Minnesota and probably the Michigan UP because wolves have decimated the deer herds. Many of us, including myself most likely would have never started looking at states like Kansas if we still had good hunting in our traditional areas. I much prefer hunting the big mature bucks of the northwoods but unfortunately they're gone, probably forever. Therefore if you're concerned about the growing numbers of non resident hunters you should take the wolf problem seriously and do whatever you can to advocate for nationwide delisting of wolves and proper science based management with adequate quotas to reduce wolf numbers to reasonable levels.
