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bigswivle 25-Feb-18
Kodiak 25-Feb-18
Woods Walker 25-Feb-18
lawdy 25-Feb-18
[email protected] 25-Feb-18
SB 25-Feb-18
HDE 25-Feb-18
Kodiak 25-Feb-18
foxbo 25-Feb-18
Woods Walker 25-Feb-18
foxbo 26-Feb-18
Kodiak 26-Feb-18
shade mt 26-Feb-18
Kodiak 26-Feb-18
SJJ 26-Feb-18
Kodiak 26-Feb-18
foxbo 26-Feb-18
Woods Walker 26-Feb-18
IdyllwildArcher 26-Feb-18
Mike B 27-Feb-18
Thumper 27-Feb-18
Mike B 27-Feb-18
foxbo 27-Feb-18
KSflatlander 27-Feb-18
Mike B 27-Feb-18
Will 27-Feb-18
KSflatlander 27-Feb-18
Kodiak 27-Feb-18
liv4it 27-Feb-18
ben h 27-Feb-18
foxbo 27-Feb-18
DConcrete 27-Feb-18
foxbo 27-Feb-18
DConcrete 28-Feb-18
Woods Walker 28-Feb-18
Kodiak 28-Feb-18
Bowfreak 28-Feb-18
Woods Walker 28-Feb-18
Mike B 28-Feb-18
Mike B 28-Feb-18
JL 28-Feb-18
Mike B 28-Feb-18
Annony Mouse 08-Mar-18
From: bigswivle
25-Feb-18
Makes me want to puke. Where does this BS stop?

From: Kodiak
25-Feb-18
I remember last year there was a transgender state champion in track from Alaska. Looks like real(actual)girls sports could get hammered hard by liberal insanity.

From: Woods Walker
25-Feb-18

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YUP!!! Woman's sports is doomed.

From: lawdy
25-Feb-18
Wow, what a doll!

25-Feb-18
Funny thing is, the wrestler (born female but wants to be male) would rather compete against males. The State won't let her her.

From: SB
25-Feb-18
Wrestling.....just a bunch of crotch grabbers to start with.

From: HDE
25-Feb-18
New age Amazon...

From: Kodiak
25-Feb-18
"Wrestling.....just a bunch of crotch grabbers to start with."

Homoerotic fantasize much?

From: foxbo
25-Feb-18
I'm confused, was it a woman who took hormones, or a man who refused hormones, or a woman who wanted hormones, WTF?

From: Woods Walker
25-Feb-18

Was there an "addadicktomy" operation involved?

No wonder the poor SOB's are confused.

From: foxbo
26-Feb-18
There shouldn't be any confusion. You're either a man or a woman at birth. That's the way God planned it. This political correct crap has tried to invade our society to the point that it's crazy. God, I wish we could all return back to 1945 where everything was normal.

From: Kodiak
26-Feb-18

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Those pesky things called chromosomes determine a persons sex, not mentally ill people living in a sick, twisted and enabling society.

From: shade mt
26-Feb-18
The scariest part of this whole mess we've created is supposedly educated people can get deceived into believing this stuff is perfectly normal.

People have been doing things that are wrong from the beginning of our existence. What's scary about it is when you no longer see it as wrong. When sound reasoning, and the ability to determine right from wrong, are gone, you have lost your sound mind. Scary

From: Kodiak
26-Feb-18

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She/he/it wrestles dirty too. I would've penalized she/he/it for choking here. There needs to be an investigation, I bet the ref is queer.

From: SJJ
26-Feb-18
Kodiak and SB...obviously you know nothing about wrestling...

From: Kodiak
26-Feb-18
Hilarious...I hold the all time wins record for my high school.

Obviously you can't detect nuanced humor.

From: foxbo
26-Feb-18
Give her a Viagra so her clit can be two inches , what a woman. This world is fucked up with this PC crap. I'm an old man and I'll be glad when I'm dead and don't have to be exposed to this kind of crap anymore.

From: Woods Walker
26-Feb-18
Gee fox, tell us how you really feel so we don't have to read between the lines..... ;-)

26-Feb-18
Not fair to let some athletes use PEDs and not the rest. Anabolic steroids are PEDs.

From: Mike B
27-Feb-18
foxbo: I might have phrased it a bit differently, but I agree with your sentiments 100%.

FWIW, the correct word to describe such individuals is: DELUSIONAL(s)

People who make believe they are something they will never, ever be, and then demand society enable their delusion further by forcing people to lie to them, and act as if these deluded individuals are indeed what they fantasize themselves to be.

Webster defines it in this manner: b psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.

This category also includes an entire gamut of individuals and groups, including but not limited to: Progressive's, people who support abortion, Socialists, a trans-anything,..and on and on.... ad nauseam.

History and Science have both taught us what works, and what doesn't work. Some guy having his pecker cut off no more makes him a woman than throwing a poodle off a cliff makes it a bird.

Time to start calling these people what they are...DELUSIONAL(s)

From: Thumper
27-Feb-18
Girl on heavy testosterone treatments should be wrestling boys, not girls. jmo

From: Mike B
27-Feb-18
Thumper, agree, but the truth is that girl should never have been on those testosterone treatments to begin with. At that age, she has very little life experience on which to make such a decision in the first place. She was born a girl, and no matter how many steroids and hormones she takes, surgeries she has, or lies she's told...she is, and will always be a girl.

She is attempting to force her delusion to become reality, and her idiot parents are enabling her. At some point in her life it's all going to collapse in on her, and sadly suicide is all too often the result.

This from: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

"The prevalence of suicide attempts among respondents to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS), conducted by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and National Center for Transgender Equality, is 41 percent, which vastly exceeds the 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population who report a lifetime suicide attempt, and is also higher than the 10-20 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual adults who report ever attempting suicide. Much remains to be learned about underlying factors and which groups within the diverse population of transgender and gender non-conforming people are most at risk. "

From: foxbo
27-Feb-18
I'm ashamed of my language. That's what happens when you're half shot. I beg your forgiveness. Think I should stay away for a while.

From: KSflatlander
27-Feb-18
Did anyone ever stop to think that the viciousness thrown at LBGT folks like on the CF contributes to their mental health? Can being ridiculed and treated as an outcast in society contribute to one's mental health? The choice to commit suicide is on the individual but the environment around them can be a contributing factor.

I have been a outdoorsman and bowhunter since I could walk. I live in Kansas in a small farming community and was raised in a traditional rural home. I have a son and he was 5 years old when I shot a turkey him and he spent a lot of time in the woods with me up through high school. Great kid. Stays out of trouble, respects the law and his parents, good grades, going to college, a stand-up young man. He has also killed a bigger turkey than me and a bigger deer...lol. I am very proud of the person he has become.

He is also gay. I always knew since before puberty that he was. A parent knows. When he finally "came out" to me my response was "I know." I love him and accept him as he is. A person's sexuality is only a fraction of who they are. Why do you all hate and ridicule LBGT people? They are people. And it's not a choice to be gay regardless of any rebuttals. My son may choose to "come out" to me. He may have choose to not live in the shadows or hide his true self but he did not choose to be gay. Do you hate my son too?

Why ridicule LBGT people? What have they done to you? And don't tell they are sinners. How many of you divorced, drink alcohol to excess, call people names/ridicule, every worked on the Sabbath, etc.? How many of you are not sinners? Is one sin greater than another? If your answer is yes, then are you to sub for God and be the judge?

The lack of empathy on the CF is simply amazing. Whatever happened to love thy neighbor? Or does doing that just make me a "snowflake?" The talk on the CF about this issue make me embarrassed to call some of you fellow bowhunters or neighbors. My son is more of a stand-up "man" than those who cast stones on this forum. Why don't you just live your own life and stop judging others. Maybe try reaching out to people with a hand instead of a stick. My son and I really don't care if you accept LBGT. You have your opinion and that is your right. I have no issues with your opinion but you do not have the right to ridicule LBGT people or my son.

Now enters the name calling and saying something about how I must not be a good father. It's not going to stop me from loving and accepting my son.

From: Mike B
27-Feb-18
KS: Why ridicule LBGT people? What have they done to you? And don't tell they are sinners. How many of you divorced, drink alcohol to excess, call people names/ridicule, every worked on the Sabbath, etc.? How many of you are not sinners? Is one sin greater than another? If your answer is yes, then are you to sub for God and be the judge?

It wasn't my intent to ridicule anyone or specific group, but to speak about truth and reality, not fantasy. As for "delusional", a person can not claim to be something they are not, and never will be, which speaks directly to the main subject of the thread. Religion had nothing to do with it.

I believe it's more of a case of: "We're tired of being forced by society to remain silent on issues that we have strong opinions on". If you read what I wrote, you'll find that I spoke the scientifically proven truth. I do understand that there is a very small percentage that are born as gay or lesbian, but for the largest percentage it is a personal choice.

I would not intentionally disrespect any individual without cause, and also respect a persons right to live their lives in whatever manner they choose, and that's a right I would not infringe on. Just don't tell me that I have to agree with their lifestyle, because I don't, and I also have the right to voice that opinion in a relevant discussion.

If your son was my son, I'd love him, just as you do. He has the right as an adult to choose whatever lifestyle he wishes...BUT, he would also have to respect that I have the right to an opinion as well.

From: Will
27-Feb-18
Barely ever drop into the CF... But as someone who works in human performance (for the last 20 years) this thread title got me to look. While I do believe a person identifying as male and on hormone replacement therapy should be competing against males. That's a more fair competition and what the individual would want. Reading this, wholly cow... KSflatlander is awesome. Dont know you, unlikely I'd ever meet you, but thanks for thinking of HUMANS first and living the "golden rule". Should my son or daughter grow up and realize they are LGBT, I hope I can handle it as well as you have.

From: KSflatlander
27-Feb-18
Mike B. I got no issue with your opinion or acceptance/rejection of LBGT. Makes no difference to me.

On a different note, how do you know that this person is "delusional" as you say? Do you know them? I guess your philosophy is once a girl always a girl. What science do speak of? Is it only a person's physical parts that make them male or female? Genetic scientists disagree with you. Is it possible that body parts don't always match the brain? Ever seen a doe with horns or a hen turkey with a beard? What about those babies that are born with both sexes? Are they boy or girl? What happens when you give males estrogen?

No doubt there are those in society that do things for the shock value or for attention (negative or positive). However, we shouldn't judge all LBGT persons based on what some may do. Should all white male teenagers be labeled deranged murders because of what happened in FL? Generalizations never hold true about any group of people.

I don't know this transgender kid that wrestles. I'm not going to call anyone delusional if they have not proven it to me. I do agree that making a decision to be trans should not be taken lightly and maybe not at that age but I'm not her. I don't know her story.

From: Kodiak
27-Feb-18

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This guy identifies as a dog,...who am I to say he's delusional. Maybe he's really a dog.

From: liv4it
27-Feb-18
Hey another loop hole maybe it could apply for the Olympics. I tell you what if it was my daughter that trained years for this and was defeated by a drug enhanced opponent, I would be livid. Its WRONG I don't care who or what you are!!!

From: ben h
27-Feb-18
I don't have any issue with a woman who wants to compete as a man as long as she's not on steroids, provided the opponents don't really care either. I do have a problem with males who want to compete with women in competitive sports that are more physical in nature because they're genetically not the same because men tend to be naturally bigger, stronger and faster (obviously there are women out there that can kick my ass, but as a rule that's not the case). My 75 year old dad plays tennis with younger women all the time and he's been married to my mom for 50+ years.

Mike B.

"I do understand that there is a very small percentage that are born as gay or lesbian, but for the largest percentage it is a personal choice."

Of the handful of gay people I know, the exact opposite could be said. Similar to KS, we knew they were gay, in elementary school, long before sex was even in the picture and a decade or more before they told us what we already knew (and didn't care). It's a unfamiliar concept to wrap one's head around for sure because it makes no sense to most people, but not everybody's wired the same. It's hard for most men to understand how another man can see a beautiful, well put together woman with a great personality and feel no physical attraction to them. I think most gay people are born that way, and if they did switch teams, they did it because they felt societal pressures to be "normal", but didn't really like it and it was sort of forced on them.

Interesting topic.

From: foxbo
27-Feb-18
You'd have to be gay to kiss that chic. Ugly as hell.

No way should she be allowed to compete while taking testosterone. Unless, she wants to wrestle the boys. What in hell is going on? Everything was so simple back in 1950.

From: DConcrete
27-Feb-18
Playing devils asvocate, she wanted to wrestle the boys. They wouldn’t let her.

Ksflatlander, I commend you and your son. I have said for a long time that people like sixby are going to be awfully surprised when they get to heaven and God will want to know who gave such a despicable excuse for man the right to speak for God.

From: foxbo
27-Feb-18
"Playing devils advocate, she wanted to wrestle the boys. They wouldn’t let her."

Well, she shouldn't be wrestling the boys and she shouldn't be wrestling the girls while taking testosterone. It's the same as doping. Maybe she should have considered just leaving the "Man" juice for the men and wrestling as a woman?

From: DConcrete
28-Feb-18
Didn’t you just say, she shouldn’t be wrestling if she’s taking testosterone unless, she wants to wrestle the boys?

From: Woods Walker
28-Feb-18
This poor kid is seriously mentally ill and is being enabled and encouraged in her illness. What a tragedy. And before anyone jumps on me, let's get one thing straight, I DO NOT include gay people in that category. If you're a male or female and you are perfectly happy in your born sex but you are attracted to the same sex then I wish you happiness. People who are born as a male/female but want to be something else that requires physical/chemical changes in their natural being are mentally ill and need help, and by "help" I DO NOT mean making the taxpayers pay for their mental illness.

From: Kodiak
28-Feb-18

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From: Bowfreak
28-Feb-18
I don't know what to think about homosexuality. I do believe it is a vice you are born with and something you will have to fight your whole life or you will just simply be a homosexual. I think it is sinful, but all men and women are sinful. That is why we need Jesus.

That being said....transgenders are mentally ill people. Sex is determined by chromosome, not what flavor of people you are attracted to or want to be. A man who wants to become a woman or a woman who wants to become a man can follow through on all of the processes to have a change of gender and they will still be mentally ill when it is completed. Treating the symptoms not treating the root cause.

From: Woods Walker
28-Feb-18
"That being said....transgenders are mentally ill people. Sex is determined by chromosome, not what flavor of people you are attracted to or want to be. A man who wants to become a woman or a woman who wants to become a man can follow through on all of the processes to have a change of gender and they will still be mentally ill when it is completed. Treating the symptoms not treating the root cause."

Exactly.

From: Mike B
28-Feb-18
KSflatlander: Further clarification...I should not have included the LGB crowed in my definition of delusional, and have corrected the post to reflect that ideal. Woods Walker said it best, so I'm going to be lazy and quote his comment:

"......I DO NOT include gay people in that category. If you're a male or female and you are perfectly happy in your born sex but you are attracted to the same sex then I wish you happiness. People who are born as a male/female but want to be something else that requires physical/chemical changes in their natural being are mentally ill and need help....."

I don't believe homosexual people are delusional. Still disagree with the lifestyle, but am very tolerant. There are 2 gay guys that own a vacation A-frame on the next lot, and we've gotten along fine for nearly 15 years. Fact is, whether I agree with their lifestyle or not is irrelevant, as they have the right to live their lives in the manner they choose.

However, if you're a dude that believes he's a she, and then society tells me I am bound by law to address you as a she...well, then we have problems.

From: Mike B
28-Feb-18

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From: JL
28-Feb-18
WRT the trans wrestler....IMO....any wrestler whether gay, trans, boy, girl who is using PED's should not be allowed to compete. Why?....because the rules are in place to create a level playing field for all competitors. If one's performance is enhanced or assisted via chemical intake at the time of competition, it is no longer a level playing field. I believe it was only recently revealed the individual was taking testosterone which is classified as a PED for sporting events. The individual had kept that secret.

WRT to gay folks. There has been much discussion regarding folks who are gay and how they ended up like that. Was cultural, social, environment, psychological, maybe the gay-gene theory? How do bi-sexual folks fit into this? How about folks who thought they were gay, tried the gay lifestyle, then went back to a straight lifestyle? Did they have the straight-gene theory kick in?

From: Mike B
28-Feb-18

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The headline reads: "Transgender wrestler Beggs ends high school career with girls state title after prohibition from wrestling boys"

The Texas Board won't allow her to wrestle boys, so her career might be over. The biggest issue I have is when (in the linked article) they refer to her as "HE". It's not a he, and THAT is what I consider delusional. The authors of the article are only doing that to satisfy the political correctness clause, but IMO it is a detriment to all who claim to be speaking/writing the truth.

From: Annony Mouse
08-Mar-18
Tangential to thread topic...but silly and related.

From Moonbattery:

Funeral Home Forced to Allow Male Employees to Wear Women’s Clothes

If there were one place where social engineers might have the decency to leave propriety alone, it could be at a funeral home, whose customers are unlikely to be in the mood for coercion-based radical social experimentation. But no refuge from moonbattery is permitted even there, as confirmed by a recent ruling:

The decision by [federal judge Karen] Moore and two others on the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals punished a Christian-owned Michigan funeral home for requiring that men dress as men, and women as women, when they deal with customers who are going through the trauma of the loss of a loved one. …

[Moore] wrote the opinion against R.G. & G.R. Harris Funeral Homes, which operate in Detroit, Garden City and Livonia. …

Moore’s opinion referenced Anthony Stephens, the employee who complained about the funeral home’s practice, as “her.” She said his employment was terminated “on the basis of her [sic] transgender or transitioning status and her [sic] refusal to conform to sex-based stereotypes.”

Respect for propriety is all-important at a funeral home. Owner Thomas Rost has a sensible dress code that requires male employees to wear suits and ties, female employees to wear skirts and business jackets. He provides a clothing allowance.

One day Stephens declared that he is no longer willing to abide by this dress code, so he was fired. So naturally Stephens went crying to the courts, which are generally dominated by authoritarian moonbats devoted to imposing an agenda that should horrify any decent person.

Not helping Rost with the ungodly judicial tyrants was his

explanation that “the Bible teaches that a person’s sex (whether male or female) is an immutable God-given gift and that it is wrong for a person to deny his or her God-given sex” and that “the Bible teaches it is wrong for a biological male to deny his sex by dressing as a woman.”

This runs contrary to contemporary liberal dogma.

In a free country, Rost would be able to employ whomever he chose at his private business, on whatever terms were found to be mutually acceptable to himself and his employees. But in what our country has become, he will be forced to allow freaks like Stephens to drive away his business by dressing like Corporal Klinger for solemn occasions.

When the smoke clears, Rost will be ruined, Stephens will be unemployed again, and liberals will have moved the ratchet one more notch in the direction of tyranny, depravity, and insanity.

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