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My father-in-law is a big hunter and after 40 years of working the farm he picked Quebec Lab Caribou as his dream hunt. Along with several other guys they put down deposits and signed contracts with safari Nordik for a September 2013 caribou hunt.

After the last installment of the hunt was taken out of everyone’s accounts last month safari Nordik sent an email stating they no longer had guaranteed spots to hunt in 2013. But safari Nordik had known for months the tag allocation for then area had been cut.

Safari Nordik even asked clients who had spent 9k on a hunt deposit to send in another 2k to fight the Quebec government in a legal battle over tag allocations.

Safari Nordik gave my father-in-law several options- pay the extra money and they might have a spot or wait until next year and they might have a spot available, but there are no guarantees of a hunt. Ever.

Safari Nordik also refuses to refund any hunters deposits for hunts that were not filled.

To say these hunters are frustrated is an understatement

good luck to all the dog

Jim

That about sums it up.

maybe by themselves, but it has been well more than a decade since this outfit was considered to be anything above mediocre by people with knowledge of the landscape in the business.

what they do have is a few arrangements with TV personalities and that may be what you are associating them with. anyplace can put on a good hunt/ show for a TV personality here or there.

being recognized does not equate to being a quality outfit

it would be great to cut and past the emails here. it will spread like wildfire if the bowsite gets the buzz going.

I sure hope they get something worked out, way too much money just to throw away.

TBB

The same thing happened to our group of three. We made reservations with them last fall for 2013 and sent them three payments for their premium package. That's about $8000 apiece. Yes, the last and largest payment was well after they knew of the license reductions. Yet they waited until July 31st to say anything or present their unsatisfactory options to clients. Refunds were not possible because the money was already disbursed according to them. So what they are saying is that they spent our money knowing full well that some hunters would not get their hunts this year.

We did our research and thought that they were reputable. It was between them and Jack Hume. With Safari Nordik you could get flights scheduled and booked by them. We thought that would be less hassle for us, so we chose them. I wish we could make that choice over. We are still pleading with Safari Nordik to honor the contract for a hunt this year or make full refunds. At this point I would say they have no intention of doing either. I am still looking at every viable option to bring them to justice.

My advise is to stay as far away from them as possible unless you want to join the growing group who gets ripped off by them. I thought only the respectable outfitters were still in business but leave it to them to prove me wrong!

bb is likely correct. They will never get a hunt or money from Safari Nordik. I'm sure SN is in trouble, and watched Tuttulik get away with robbing hunters of ~$2,000,000. Forget about any authority in Quebec coming to your aid. Short of Murder, I doubt the provincial government has the balls to confront any 1st Nation group about injury to any foreign tourist. To them we are just sheep to be shorn. As a Tuttulik victim, I would never book a hunt where "1st Nations" are in control of the business.

The only outfitter in Quebec that I have found that lets you pay with a CC is JHA. Anyone that books with a Quebec outfitter that doesn't accept major CCs is just asking for it.

I am going with JHA this year. It'll be my fourth trip up there. It wasn't always this bad. Frankly, the total lack on consequences for these bad actors has really tainted one of the best hunting venues on the planet. I would never book a Quebec Caribou hunt with anyone other than JHA.

To clarify the situation we are faced with as outfitters operating in Northern Quebec...

Each outfitter (left operating in northern Quebec) was given a new quota of caribou licenses by the Quebec MRNF for the 2013 season. The new quota was based off how many hunters were hosted by each outfitter in 2012. In our particular case we actually booked exactly the same amount of hunters this year as we had booked in 2012 and therefore our new quota of licenses is sufficient for us to honor all of our hunts sold for 2013. My understanding is that Safari faced a much different situation as they had unfortunately cancelled some of their hunts in 2012 which they said was "due to a lack of caribou" at their camps. Please don't quote me on any of this but it is my understanding that because they cancelled some hunts and because the quota is based off their 2012 season they have now found themselves in a situation where they do not have a sufficient license quota to host both the hunts from 2012 that they postponed to 2013 along with those new hunters they booked for 2013.

FYI - For the 2014 season we are supposed to be granted twice as many licenses as we have been granted for the 2013 season but however the limit is to drop down to a single caribou limit. Most outfitters were opposed to the new single caribou limit and our Quebec Outfitter's Federation is supposed to be attempting to convince the Quebec Minister in charge that keeping our 2 caribou limit would be beneficial to all outfitters in so far as marketing our hunts is concerned. We were told that the QOF would have an answer for us by the end of the 2013 season (as to whether we can maintain the 2 caribou limit or not).

With all that being said if we end up with a single caribou limit, the good news for anyone booked with Safari Nordik is that they should end up with twice as many licenses as they were granted this year and perhaps they will then be able to honor any hunts they are not able to honor this year.

As far as my own hunts are concerned I have over 40 hunters booked for 2014 and all of them are aware that we are facing a new single caribou limit. I did lose a handful of hunters who chose to cancel their hunts and although my contract "which is signed by each group of hunters" clearly stipulates that I am not to be held responsible if the Fish and Game department was to make any changes to the bag limit on caribou (unless the entire season was canceled) I chose to refund these hunters their deposit money. I would not have felt OK with keeping their money knowing that our 2 caribou limit was a major factor in their decisions to book a caribou hunt with us and at the time they booked the hunt I had probably promoted our hunt as being a 2 caribou hunt.

I plan on waiting until the middle of November 2013 to see if the Quebec minister decides to maintain the single caribou limit and at that point if the single caribou limit is maintained I will attempt to make some adjustments that would allow me to drop the prices of our hunts and if we end up lowering the cost of our packages those who "stayed on board" knowing we were facing a single caribou limit would be first to have the discounts applied to their hunts. I truly appreciate your business and faith in us and I truly hope all of you booked with Safari Nordik will get to not only experience your hunt up north but also I wish you nothing less than a truly memorable experience and success in finding the caribou you have been dreaming of. I'm now going to head off to load my Cessna and head to camp with supplies (lots of bear damaged camps this year!)but I'll be keeping you all updated on how we are doing from week to week once our hunt gets on its way.

Richard

the tundra is the tundra regardless of how many tags you have.

Grant, the Alaskan tundra is pretty spectacular as well! :) AND if I wanted to I could shoot 5 caribou in the area I'll be hunting.

TBB

"I do understand why people go to Quebec if they want to hunt a Quebec Labrador caribou as it is one of the few places to do so, but if you just want to hunt caribou I sure don't know why people go to Quebec. It is twice the money of Alaska ($8000 vs $3,500 (all inclusive)) and the Quebec government seems to have no use or care for Americans. I experienced this first hand in Montreal as I was visiting for a weekend. My vehicle was broke into (smashed the window) and laptop and other stuff stolen. The police could care less and they knew where it happened and that it was very frequent. There were two other people filing a report at the same time as I. I'm not going after a Super Slam so I'm going to spend my money in America and forget Quebec. No offense to JHA, but even they aren't worth the risk of Quebec and the lack of any protection for consumers from the Quebec government. Grant, the Alaskan tundra is pretty spectacular as well! :) AND if I wanted to I could shoot 5 caribou in the area I'll be hunting."

You have NO recourse with the Canadian Government if anything goes wrong. Why in the world would you want to spend your money with them? Aren't these posts getting old year after year? Keep U.S. Money in the U.S. I've been to Alaska 19 times on hunting and fishing trips. Headed back two more trips next year. And I've never had a single issue with any of my trips. Well, maybe with the exception of this little girl that wanted to eat us.

BerksArcher.....Where on the George is your photo taken? I spent many years on the Pons/Chateaugay rivers and on stretches of the George.

Anyone want to take a guess how many times anyone from Quebec got back to me?? Come on,,,, take some guesses!!!

I remember when Tuttulik screwed a bunch of guys I said that we need to boycott all of Quebec and or start bonding outfitters.. Hell I own a business and I'm bonded so if I screw people... (I bet businesses are already bond in Quebec, just not the ones that do business with sportsmen out side of Quebec) Guys jumped all over me for suggesting that one.. Not the ones that lost money...

Anyway the Quebec government is not going to do a thing if guys from the USA get screwed again.. Now if the sportsmen of the USA start boycotting Quebec and they start loosing 10, 15, 20 million a year,, something will get done... Anyone disagree with me? If this happens again how many of you think that the Quebec government is going to step in and help?? Respectfully Ed Rogalski

Cancellation by Safari Nordik Should SAFARI NORDIK be forced to cancel your reservation, we will do our best to provide you with a reasonable alternative. If this is not deemed acceptable SAFARI NORDIK will reimburse the total amount of the price submitted to that date.

Changes in your package Should a major change occur we will do everything within our power to provide you with an alternative package similar to your initial choice. You can either accept the new arrangements or cancel your prior arrangements within 10 days following our notice. In the latter case, SAFARI NORDIK will reimburse all money submitted to that date. This reimbursement constitutes a final and complete settlement of all claims.

If yes, than that is an idea for the future.

Bill

I was with a group at Lake Helluva and we came out the week before that event that stranded you happened. I have flown over Twin R. a number of times but I was mostly on the far upper George...Norpaq/George River Outfitters. They still operate a salmon lodge farther down the river. I spent a week at Lac Pau exactly where you were standing (Explo). Spent the week in a camp alone watching for migration. I am sure you have heard of Lake Minto. I started up there in 1987 and saw 3 monster migrations of mostly the George herd up until about 2003. I spent number of years on Minto and the migrations I saw there were mostly made up bulls of the likes I cannot describe. How Tuttulik could screw things up is beyond me.

Are you willing to share the names of your respected outfitters in Alaska? For sure if I ever go to Quebec it will be with JHA. SN has shown it's integrity. I have been to Alaska on vacations and love it. I never thought about caribou hunting there. You are right. Why not hunt Alaska for caribou. Other than JHA, Quebec seems to have more than it's fair of outfitters that don't know what honor or integrity mean.

It seems as if the Canadian/Quebec government will do next to nothing to make things right when hunters get screwed up there.

And it seems Canadian outfitters (with a few exceptions) have learned they can get away with taking hunter's money with absolutely no repercussions/restitution. So I would expect things to get worse, if anything. As the few remaining outfitters struggle due to the economy, cut in available tags and closure of hunting grounds, they will be allowed to steal hunter's money before going belly up.

Of course there seems to be one exception to the "rule" when it comes to outfitters in Quebec(one who HAS integrity), but after all the history of hunter rip-offs in Quebec, I am not willing to gamble 6-$8,000 of my hard earned $$$!!!

In fact, after seeing what has been happening up there over the years, I may not EVER hire another outfitter! I am liking DIY hunts more and more...................

As NY Bowman says, Alaska is the total top value in caribou today. You can do two AK caribou hunts...including commercial airfare and Super Cub drop...for what one nice QL bou hunt costs. I'm not talking outfitted hunts, because you simply don't need an outfitter. You need someone to get you to the caribou and then leave you alone to hunt. That's basically all it takes, along with some gear. Do you really need a cook, a cabin, a meat packer, an outhouse, a generator....etc...to kill and retrieve a caribou? I didn't think so either!

"You can do two AK caribou hunts...including commercial airfare and Super Cub drop...for what one nice QL bou hunt costs."

include getting your meat and antlers back to the states?

I have no personal bone with Quebec...but I highly disapprove of how the vast majority of her outfitters have treated US hunters. The Jack Humes are all too few and far between unfortunately. The northern Canadian tundra is gorgeous. So is the Alaska backcountry in August and September...thick with blueberries, grayling, ptarmigan, etc. You can also buy a black bear tag for a little extra money and suddenly you're a 2-species bowhunter. Don't forget; you can stay and hunt 7, 10, 12 days if you like. No matter how you cut it, the one-time diy Alaska trip comes in much cheaper than the one-time QL hunt.

On the other hand, some guys simply can't get away from work for more than 6 or 7 days, and a guided hunt works better. But for the physically healthy guy who can be gone 10 days or so...and has basic woods skills...Alaska is waiting.

I have no personal bone with Quebec...but I highly disapprove of how the vast majority of her outfitters have treated US hunters. The Jack Humes are all too few and far between unfortunately. The northern Canadian tundra is gorgeous. So is the Alaska backcountry in August and September...thick with blueberries, grayling, ptarmigan, etc. You can also buy a black bear tag for a little extra money and suddenly you're a 2-species bowhunter. Don't forget; you can stay and hunt 7, 10, 12 days if you like. No matter how you cut it, the one-time diy Alaska trip comes in much cheaper than the one-time QL hunt.

Kevin- it seems our attitude about Quebec Caribou hunting is very similar!

I went in 2005 with an outfitter that is now out of business. We had a good time and I actually came home with a bull, but the outfitter was very unscrupulous in my opinion. Couple that experience with all the problems the last 10 years and It has kind of soured me on ever returning to Canada. There is simply too much you can do DIY in THIS country!

Never ever anywhere? You'll miss out some some great stuff, but at least you won't get screwed.

Nope, probably not, Bou! I was never gonna be one of those Superslam guys anyway- not eve close! ;-)

I went on a DIY Elk Hunt/Adventure in Montana in 2011 which spurred my interest in DIY hunts. I haven't done a lot of it, but I have always loved backpacking and I camp as much as I can every year. And in a few years when the kids are out on their own, I will have much more vacation time than $$$, so a DIY adventure is a better fit. ;-)

THought I might someday do a Canadian moose hunt with an outfitter, but now it will probably be a DIY adventure in Alaska.

Here's a pic of what some of the Alaskan tundra looks like.

For those who may doubt their own abilities: I have two very good friends that are well into their 60s. They are frequent diy hunters into the backcountry. No horses, atv, argo or anything. They get dropped off by Cub, and they hunt long and deep. They kill and backpack out moose and caribou with amazing regularity. These are just regular guys who still have jobs and work 5 days a week in the lower 48. I'll be seeing them in 3 weeks as we begin another trip into eastern Alaska.

The picture shows a view of our 'little' valley where we enjoy solitude and tremendous hunting.

As a Tuttulik victim, I can totally understand the anger at most outfitters in Quebec. IMHO, to completely write off Quebec is a little overboard. Many here will book hunts in sketchy African, or other, dangerous countries with corrupt governments. With these hunts, it's all about finding the right outfitter that can navigate the local hazards. Now I just see Quebec for what it is, and count on JHA to take care of me.

I think part of our anger is outrage that our northern neighbors could treat us so badly, and be so corrupt. Before we get so high on our horse with Canadians, think about the fact that, for their own personal gain, our elites in Wall Street & Washington recently caused the average American to loose 40% of their net worth and triggered a world wide recession. So far, none of these ba$tard$ have gone to jail. As bad as Quebec is, they are small time thieves when compared to our elite.

if you keep waiting you'll spend more in increased costs over the years than you'd lose in a good screwing over.

I waited for 10 plus years out of anxiety then went on three great trips in 2006,07, and 08. That was with tuttulik.

The cost of the trip that first year was 3,795 all in except for tags and tips. you have a hard time finding one for less than double that today.

those hunts will be 10K in 4 years.

i booked with JHA for next year. chose not to use credit card as the surchage is a couple percent and i trust richard implicitly though we have never spoken and won't until i hit the flight base a year from now.

It does have some pretty country.

Thanks...I think it's pretty easy to take fabulous pictures in wilderness Alaska, though! I will be right there above the river in exactly 3 weeks.

Desperate people and businesses do desperate things and I think things with SN are going to go from bad to worse real fast.

Not so sure I'd ever hunt Quebec again but if for some reason I do I know some really really solid trip insurance policies and I'd spare no expense on the best I could find.

If I could have been born and raised anywhere else it would be there. My friends up there make me drool with pics every year.

Imagine asking yourself every year: Do I want to hunt moose, griz, stone sheep, mountains goats, elk, caribou, mulies, etc etc etc. Terrible problem to have huh......

Guess I wouldn't be running the beagles much.

I went on my one and only Quebec Caribou hunt back in 2005 and felt good when I signed my contract. Although I had a successful hunt, the guides and outfitter blew smoke up our butts the whole week and outright lied to us several times. They were out of business w/in a couple years, which came as no surprise. Like you say, there is a history hear of Quebec Outfitters being dishonest, and not honoring their contracts. But to put the blame on the customer is very wrong, IMHO! Not everyone is as "educated" on the subject as us bowsiters! Just look at the outfitter's hall at the Harrisburg show every year(well, except last year! ;-)- still lots of folks booking hunts with Quebec Outfitters.

I continue to vote for Alaska, I also hunted Quebec. On 3 different occasions. Alaska is real hard to beat,

A hunter going out of country to hunt...has less rights, less legal protection and greater risk of financial loss vs hunting in-country.

My formula:

Weak Quebec Government + Unscrupulous Outfitters x Many Trusting Hunters = Huge Financial Risks and Losses.

Both the Q Gov't and Outfitters will need to change and stand up to protect their ultimate interests, which is of course the continued income from American hunters. You screw people long enough and word will get out that it's just not worth the risk to venture north...to Quebec anyway. The list of outfitters who have cheated clients out of CLIENT money reads like a who's who litany of past (and present) well known caribou outfitters. Government blames outfitters...outfitters blame government...and both walk away without doing anything to help the hunter who lost thousands. If this behavior happened in the USA, a very good and angry group of attorneys would have the outfitter's OOs in a vice in short order.

Caribou have been on my list for a while and i will go to Alaska to get it.

I have read thru all the posts on this thread and must say a few things. First of all, the fact that Safari Nordic is ripping off hunters this year is completely true because it has happened to me and 2 of my friends. Second, it sounds like JHA runs a great operation and is a good outfitter, I wish I would have been more educated and booked with JHA instead. Third, I will reserve what I want to say in response to some of the post stating it is my fault SN is stealing my money along with 200 other hunters'.

We researched the various hunts and chose SN Because they had a slot that allowed us to drive up on a Friday, hunt thru the week and drive back to NC the following weekend. This was very attractive to us as we would not have to take 2 weeks off from work as many operations run mid week to mid of the following week. We also wanted to bring all our meat, horns and capes back with us as opposed to shipping them.

After seeing multiple Hunting shows of various famous personalities at their camps, they looked like they would be reputable. After many conversation with Martin, we sent our deposit in February. In early may I ran across the government mandate with the new tag allotments. I called Martin the the very next day and was assured there would be no issues with our hunt. About a month later we spoke again and I was assured again there were no issues with tags and we would still be able to harvest 2 animals and that starting in 2014, hunters would be limited to 1.

On the evening of July 30th, the three of us received an email informing us they did not have enough tags, they conducted an internal lottery, and we were not successful and they could not honor our hunt! The email went on to say we could advise them by August 5 if we wished to participate in their effort to peruse the government legally to acquire our tags, this would cost US $2000 each, payable if they were successful and upon our arrival in Montreal for our hunt. The other option is to postpone our hunt to 2014.

The closing sentences basically said "sorry", "the money is already spent" and "no refunds". I Freaked! I immediately called the1800 number and it had been routed to a guy named Steve in California. He basically told me the same bulls$&/t. The next day, I left 4 messages at their regular office line. After no returned calls, and at least 25 calls a day for 2 days I finally spoke to Nicholous, and same heard the same bull$&@t excuses for 10minutes, and again "no refunds". I called again the next day and got Martin and we talked for 15minutes. I reminded him of the multiple emails and calls we exchanged, particularly the ones right after the April 26 government decree, and his assurance it was fine.

I honestly think the guy felt bad and is simply following marching orders from his superiors. Now I understand about losing tags and they cannot control the government, but I am pissed that knew the tag situation in late april and continued to book hunts, including taking our 14000 balance in mid June. I was told by Martin that this effects about 200 hunters, at 7000 each, that's 1.4 million they intend to keep. I make it a point to call them every 3 or 4 days and as of yesterday, 9/4 we still do not know if we have a hunt or not for the last week of September.

I think they are stalling to the end of this season and intend to shut off their phones and screw everyone. We want our money back because I do not trust them to honor a future hunt or if they will even be in business next year! I have contacted micheal Waddell, Greg ritz, Colorado buck, the outdoor channel and Keith warren. The ony response I have received was Keith Warren whom with which we traded several emails. I also spoke with an attorney in Montreal who wanted $2000 to write them a letter- no thanks! I guess us dumb Americans do not matter to quebec and since we are all out of the country, they can treat us however they want. We need to get the word out to everyone we can, and the effected could possible start a class action lawsuit against SN with a law firm that would work on commission but I suspect SN will end up filing bankruptcy and we will all get screwed! This would have been my 6th trip to Canada and second to Quebec and all were top notch.

I hope it works out but do not have much hope anymore. We worked hard for our 7000 each and now they are stealing it! If any of you ever see an irrate guy at a hunting show being handcuffed in front of a trashed safari Nordic booth and a couple outfiters with the crap beat out of them lying on the floor, it will probably me!!!!

I think we all agree that SN did rip off these guys so I wont debate it.

Yet some of you jack@sses want to come on this thread and kick the man while he's down. Absolutely pathetic....

How about some positive karma and support for our fellow brothers instead of the know it all crap that I see far to often on here.

Bankruptcy, etc. is speculation at this point. Tuttulik told people on day 1 of the disclosure of the issue that the hunts are off, your money is lost, we're closing down this operation, no future no hope. Is SN taking that stance at this point?

Maybe better just to hold each other responsible for their actions and not the actions of others to whom there is no relationship.

Yeah, I gotta say that the "know-it-all" attitudes and the "you got what you deserved" crap is as STUPID and hard to listen too as the actual act of stealing and theft taking place at the expense of these hunters. And it makes it a certainty that those same big mouthed morons will some day find themselves in the same predicament. That goes for the people who kick you when you are down. That is the way life works. You get what you give. I still am not sure what is worse at this point as I type this, the actual act of the injustice or the real piece of work acting like it was the clients fault.

You can't prepare for thieves. Because you are not a thief and do not see how it could go wrong with the promises on the webpage. You also cannot prepare for the stupid expressed by FCH either. You can only know that he will get what he has coming in one way or the other.

I have went from all out deranged about the SN doing this to all out deranged listening to the crap this idiot is spewing. Anyways, I'll get over myself and just say that I hope and pray that the victims here get their money back. Good luck and God Bless.

Comparing a fully outfitted caribou hunt in Quebec at $8000 to a fully DIY hunt in Alaska at $3500... is not comparing apples to apples.

Some guys really live and love DIY hunts... some others dont care for them.

A fully outfitted Caribou hunt in Alaska is going to be similarly priced if not MORE expensive.

And like stated above... some guys like chasing the different sub-species of caribou. Cant hunt your Quebec Labrador Caribou in Alaska.

Also bear in mind that when we canceled one week of our hunt we actually gave back over $75 000.00 in deposits to our clients with no questions asked and they had the option to then rebook for the following year or take their money elsewhere. I'm just saying....Just because we might be operating from Quebec our track record easily proves that we can be trusted. We have been for over three decades and still going strong. You can not compare what we offer to a drop camp in Alaska nor a road hunt in Alaska for that matter.

I personally scout our camps with our Cessna 185 and we never just drop anyone off to fend for themselves. If I was sending hunters in without scouting our camps we would not average anywhere near the success rates that we offer our clients. We also have cabins, showers, oil or wood heat, beds with mattresses and satellite communication at all of our camps. So, not only do we cater to every detail of your hunt but we also include a degree of comfort that a drop camp simply would not offer. Not to mention we actually move our hunters to a more productive camp if and when possible and at no extra charge. If convenience is a factor then the fact that all you have to do is get yourself to Montreal where we offer free secured parking and/or where affordable daily flights coming in from anywhere throughout north America are an option then Quebec might be an attractive alternative.

I also fly in and pick up your caribou mid week and hang it in our walk in cold room, we salt your capes, provide our clients with airline friendly meat boxes to travel home with and we have a 2nd walk in cold room along with a butcher and taxidermist lined up for anyone wishing to use those services upon arrival in Montreal.

I agree that for some perhaps a drop camp in Alaska is the experience they desire and I can see why some would want to have that experience but it is not for everyone and we must compare apples to apples. If all I had to do was fly in with my 185 and drop a couple of hunters off with a tent and sleeping bags I could do it for $3000.00 or less but a guided caribou hunt pretty much any where in North America will cost you at least $1000.00 more than the same guided hunt in Quebec and you certainly won't receive the same amount of services and the prices won't be going down any time soon unless our cost go down. I think even though our hunts have become quite expensive that you are getting plenty of bang for your buck and yes you can trust us. It means as much to me for you to enjoy your time with us as it means to you. We all take a great deal of pride in our operation.

Richard

it is akin to someone on an automotive site saying what does a transmission job cost? yes, there are some unique folks who have the time, talent, lack of funds, or lack of other things going on in life that would make them doing their own transmission at a lower cost a viable option to a certified mechanic doing the work. to them.........go for it.

the majority however, have neither the time, desire, knowledge, or confidence to do it themselves so they will do what 98% of the people do and look to an expert to get them set up right with a quality transmission job.

nothing wrong with either way, but to compare the two in the same discussion as comparable options for any given individual is unrealistic most of the time as the demands on the person under the two models are materially different.

A guy can fit a great guided hunt in to his life very readily. to coordinate and execute a DIY is just not reasonable for most people who have a lot of higher priorities in life, many competing pressures on their time and attention, a lack of specialized equipment, and in most instances a readily available partner or two who share the same desire.

it does not make them less of a hunter or a person looking to be baby sat or taking the easy way out. in nearly all cases it comes down the the best option considering many variables and nothing more or less than that.

The thread is about SN not honoring close to 200 2013 hunts and refusing to refund the hunter's money. They have offered to postpone the hunts to 2014 but I really don't trust them anymore and want my money back. Also we all paid to harvest 2 caribou. i was told by SN that starting in 2014, Hunters will only be allowed 1.

Give the 3 off us in my group back our 7300 each and we will book something else for next year as its probably too late to find anything open this year. But honestly, I see a screwing coming.

I talked to SN again this past Friday, 9/9 and was told their meeting was post-poned again to this week. They are stalling to the end of the season and plan on walking away from all of it is now my belief.

The season is going off partially as planned. Hunting has been great and everyone has taken their bulls. The only thing missing is all of our valued clients that were held back with the government tag allocation. We are in a meeting today about the tag allocation, and I hope we can get some news regarding all of our hunters. I will post the results as soon as the info becomes clear and 100%. In the light of the one caribou instead of two, we have started drafting a plan to our hunters that will allow them to hunt two caribou with us.

In closing, I am deeply concerned and troubled about this horrible situation and the things that are beyond our control. But I have an offer for my hunters that will allow you the opportunity to get the two caribou you are after. However, it is a Safari Nordik offer only. As a company with over three decades of outfitting experience, we sympathize with you and appreciate you. Even though we will need in excess of 400 permits for 2014, I can guarantee there will be a greater number of permits this coming season as the other outfitters continue struggle with bookings and the fact that they don't have any of their own camps in the hunting area. As things continue to tighten on hunting Safari Nordik is fortunate to be the only outfitter to own all the 32 camps we have in the only open caribou unit and will continue to move forward in this time of bad government policy. And for that reason you will all hunt for sure in 2014.

We are trusted by hundreds more sportsman every year then any other outfitter. That alone speaks for itself. And have been so for over 30 years. Only achieved by our reputation. Our growth is simply because service and quality, and we continue to grow, I think simply because you don't hear our ambassadors (past hunters) bashing anyone of our competition. They will just talk about us and their experience. Negative attitudes with sportsman only get you bit. We don't have little cyber bullies hacking nonsense and spreading filth on the web, hiding behind a computer screen, we simply have real hunters with real results every time. Thats what we do and our client list proves it. We understand hating the big guy, but you cannot judge anything by the words of someone who has never seen for them self or has never even stepped foot in the tundra with me.

I am from Canada and can say without reservation that "The Talk" in most of (Possibly All!)of the other Provinces and the Territories is that they are fed up with Quebec bullshit! We are not just talking about outfitters and hunting.

I have been on numerous outfitted hunts in the other Provinces and the Territories and have had great experiences. I have also hunted Caribou in Quebec 5 times but never with SN. I feel sorry for all those that I believe are "Getting Screwed" but please do not lump the rest of us Canadians in with " Quebec"...as far as Jack Hume Adventures...never heard anything but good.

I am from Canada and can say without reservation that "The Talk" in most of (Possibly All!)of the other Provinces and the Territories is that they are fed up with Quebec bullshit! We are not just talking about outfitters and hunting.

I have been on numerous outfitted hunts in the other Provinces and the Territories and have had great experiences. I have also hunted Caribou in Quebec 5 times but never with SN. I feel sorry for all those that I believe are "Getting Screwed" but please do not lump the rest of us Canadians in with " Quebec"...as far as Jack Hume Adventures...never heard anything but good.

The credit card company has given my father in law a full refund!

hopefully all other hunters who were taken have the same luck.

Hug sent to trophy. Hope you feel better in the morning.

you should read the post before you write and try not to make yourself look like a fool. The credit card company made my father-in-law whole. It was a long process, but all monies from the thieves have been returned.

kurt said "Its people like you and your 3rd hand info that cause so much disruption and untruthful gossip." There is nothing but the truth here, but you don't seem to like the truth only name calling and ad hominem attacks.

Trophymanager- you need to go back and re-read the original post before you come off looking like a fool...

By the way, the company that charged a credit card does not have to let or authorize a refund before the credit card issuer makes the refund.

But your 4th hand info and attempt at playground condescension was humorous.

"Safari Nordik doesn't need or want dishonest people like you in our world." Dishonest? Seriously?

Isn't this the same guy that posted a hunt report as a "client" of Safari Nordik this time last year?

And actually it's outfitters like Tuttulik and now Safari Nordik that give Quebec outfitters a bad name...they really don't need any help from us, just saying.

"by representing Safari Nordik and many other top outfitters in the world, we can arrange hunting excursions globally. From the booking of the hunt through to the finished taxidermy piece being delivered to your home, we are able to provide all of our clients with worry free hunting destinations anywhere in the world."

So, just how do you expect your clients to believe that SN is a "worry free" hunting destination?

For your information, a CC card company can force a refund when they feel there has been fraud or breach of contract. When is SN going to refund those unfortunate hunters that didn't pay with a CC?

I have no dog in this fight but now that I have read through this thread my curiosity has piqued. So, Mr. Trophymanager, I guess you can put this whole thing to rest by just answering a couple of simple questions.

1.) Have the people that paid for hunts that they did not receive been given their money back?

2.) If they haven't gotten their money back yet, when can they expect it?

I am neither a hacker, a lawyer nor a banker, however I deal with credit card companies and their processors daily.

I don't badger hunters, but according to my wife, I am an ebarrassment to all outdoorsman when I dance. For that, I apologize.