Discuss Interactive Bloodtrail 24 - Here
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From: alwayslookin
15-Feb-08
OK Pat......we are talking a 15 yard shot with a leg forward........and the deer in the last pic is pinning it's ears, and nervous.......either way 3 or 4 ....that little bugger is in a HEAP of trouble.......ya gave me a tater (0)for 3......next question.
From: SteveOz
15-Feb-08
Crap, I didn't choose 4 because the back legs were tensed up and deer looked more alert.
oz
From: Rik
15-Feb-08
I disagree. I believe that deer was moving, but not running. I believe that with her nose to the ground investigating she would still present a good broadside.
4, quartering away, even standing still, that the hunter, for the a quick, humane kill, means you have to aim for the opposite leg. I think that is the harder shot even if the deer is standing still.
Please, if there is more logic to shot #4 that I am airing here, inform me. I am rather new at this, but I still feel 3 is better.
From: vectrixhunter
15-Feb-08
i thought i nailed it with answering picture #3. thats scandolous:)
From: Long Hunter
15-Feb-08
I was going to choose 3 but decided on 4 because the deer in 4 wasn't looking toward the hunter. It didn't look to me like the deer in 3 was walking. I thought the front leg was in that position because the deer might be pawing the ground.
I really learn quite a bit from these challenges even though I don't usually score well. And I have been bowhunting and tracking deer for over 40 years. Of course it is always different when you are there but these challenges and the discussions are really excellent learning tools IMO.
From: TD
15-Feb-08
I think Pat must have had the "challenge" cued up already. It sure didn't take him long to get #24 up!
From: txhunter58
15-Feb-08
Nose down to the ground, both rear legs planted, simply stepping forward: Release and go get him. Sorry, but after going back and watching the video in Clue 8 on bloodtrail 23, picture 3 is still my choice! I gave myself 9 points!
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
From: Alaskan1
15-Feb-08
i agree. #4 looked tensed to bolt. #3 looked much more relaxes, 3 legs planted, and stepping forward...easy shot
I too give myself at least 3 points if not all 9 for answering 3
From: UrbanHunter
15-Feb-08
As soon as you draw on 3, the deer is going to peg you. Wait till 4, and you got a beauty of a quartering away. I give myself 9 and so did Pat ;)
From: Buckfever
15-Feb-08
No question 3 was the better shot, deer more relaxed than 4 and one leg off the ground. The only good thing about 4 is that the deer is facing away and that is a very nice angle, but that deer is definitely tense, probably have to wait for it to relax a moment. If the question was when to draw then sure 4. Figuring already at full draw, that deer never makes it to 4.
I think most of us who've taken a bunch of deer are going to pick 3. But that's cool. I like these more controversial challenges as the discussion is more instructive.
Plus it's more fun. I think that Pat loves being the devil's advocate in these here deals.
From: doubledrop
15-Feb-08
UrbanHunter, I think you may be right but that was not in the question's wording as it specifically stated that go by just the pictures and don't worry about the angles as well. I'm not complaining because I love these but I got a big goose egg as well as I feel the front leg forward is the shot to take with a higher margin for double lung with that angle as well. I love the 45 degree quartering away angle also like in #4 but I felt that given all of the choices three was the one for me(given that I was already drawn. The deer wasn't alert but either are great options. I don't consider the slight step walking. Please don't think this is bashing because I'll take the zeros all day for these off-season fillers. Thanks Pat.
From: Bowbuster
15-Feb-08
Ahhh Crap. Goose egg right off the start. Bowbuster
From: mooseman76
15-Feb-08
Dang 1st question again. I mis read the meaning of the arrows in #23 and this one I agree with the others that say that #4 is "on alert". I'd take the shot at #3 for sure...
From: TD
15-Feb-08
#4's attention was focused on the blood on the ground from the first deer. Faced away, ears forward, focused away, standing still, that's an easy draw, aim and shoot.
They were just run off by something and watched the other deer tip over. That animal is going to be "on alert" no matter what position it's in. "Relaxed" isn't going to be an option.
From: hunt forever
16-Feb-08
NUMBER 3 FOR SURE WITHOUT A DOUBT. HOW ARE WE TO TELL THE DEER IS MOVING, IT'S A STILL PICTURE!!!!!!! EVEN IF THE DEER IS MOVING AT THAT CLOSE RANGE DEAD DEER. LOL
From: elmer
16-Feb-08
the dee if number 4 was way too tense. The deer in #3 could be pawing the ground. I still think #3 deserves some points. both legs are in the same planted position...no way to tell from that picture it's walking.
From: Yogi33
16-Feb-08
9 points.....you can tell the deer is moving because there is a picture FOUR!!! New to the challenges, but I am really digging them! Thanks Pat!
From: pav
16-Feb-08
I stopped after question one. Deer is walking? Three legs planted...one forward. Four is a good quartering shot....but I'll take three.
From: falcon
16-Feb-08
No way to tell deer is walking in #3. At 15 yards it wouldn't matter any way. Also, I'll take the angle in 3 over 4 any day. Not a good start for me either.
From: Fabow
16-Feb-08
way to go Pat, you got the hornets nest buzzing already thanks for helping with cabin fever
From: Stekewood
16-Feb-08
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn it!!!!!
Goose egg right off the bat.
Walking????? How can you tell that from a still shot???? I thought she just stopped for one last kernal.
I love it!!!!!!!!
From: Hank
16-Feb-08
Pat you Rock! Back-to-back challenges. You can't beat quartering away.
I've seen this before many times, deer returning to sniff blood, etc at the exact scene of one of their buddies who got smoked.
From: smokey
16-Feb-08
HEE HEE, I got it right for a change! Hey Pat, how is it that you got a ZERO? I looked at the top 200 and that is what showed up.
From: greenmountain
16-Feb-08
If you go by just the pictures the best choice is#3 I answered this way because by following the rules you see a deer nearly broadside feeding. We all know the shot was taken at #4 or later. How many times have taken a deer after the best shot was not taken? I like to get points but I feel I was taken by the wording. I refuse to play again( UNTIL THE NEXT CLUE:)) I aslo come here to read different perspectives. Keep em coming. Bob
From: KJH2004
16-Feb-08
Picture #3 is the best shot hands down, picture #4 shows that the deer is tensed up and the quartering away shot is to much quartering away and you would risk not hitting all the vitals.
From: JusPassin
16-Feb-08
Well, we all know what opinions are like. Since it's Pat's site he could have picked 1 for all it matters but #3 is still the better shot.
From: DonSchultz
16-Feb-08
#4 seems obvious to me. #3 isn't bad but I felt the eye was angled toward me (the camera) to much. That concerned me more than that she was stepping ahead.
From: alwayslookin
16-Feb-08
I don't think we are dealing with the top of the evolutionary food chain with this deer, it is a fawn. I am stickin with #3 . To those who "know" the deer was moving cause of the pics......that little bugger would never have gotten to 4 if I was in the tree. My bow would have been loaded after Challenge 23 and #2 would be piled up next to momma! I respect the logic......but 3 is still my shot.
From: BigWoods
16-Feb-08
I'll have to agree with the majority here. I've never seen a doe actually walk with her nose continually to the ground, so I viewed that picture as a standing doe with her attention focused elsewhere. the deer in number 4 is at a pretty good quartering away angle but 3's better.
I hereby award everyone that chose #3 a full 9 points and anybody choosing #4 will get -28!!!
From: njwildlife
16-Feb-08
DEER DONT WALK WITH THEIR NOSE TO THE GROUND
From: Passthru
16-Feb-08
I picked 3 also because i would have been at full draw before pic 1 and when she got to pic 3 which looked like a standing deer to me i would have let it fly. By the way just started on these challenges, great work lots of fun!
From: DeerSlayer1798
16-Feb-08
There is really no indication that the deer is walking in #3 and even if it is it is moving VERY slow. 3 is a good shot no matter what.
From: Trebarker
16-Feb-08
Challenge appropriately named, #3 is the much better shot. Either way, your arrow is going to end up hitting the right front leg. In #4 picture, you're more apt hit too far back on that dog sized deer.
From: PplEatTastyAnimals
16-Feb-08
After reading whats been posted thus far I don't feel bad with picking 3.... thanks fellas.
From: Jeff270
16-Feb-08
Respectfully disagree. The deer in #3 looks relaxed (no way to tell it is moving, nose to the ground). The deer in 4 is tense, smelling the blood from his buddy who just got smoked. Looks much more "alert" then the deer in 3. Deer in 4 appears musch more apt to jump the string or spin. Id take 3 over 4.
Jeff
From: Duke
16-Feb-08
I picked three as well... It has all four legs on the ground with its nose on the ground and closer front leg is forward, thus presenting one of the best heart shots available.
All in all, not a very good question and answer to start this one out...
From: Cleanshot
16-Feb-08
Bummer! #3 is wrong???? Back legs planted, head down, Broadside, left leg could be scraping the ground....good times. Coooome on October 1!!!
From: JTV
16-Feb-08
In 3, the deer is still moving and has not settled in yet. In 4(yes, I got it), the deer has quit moving and has it's attention riveted(and stopped moving) on the location and blood spatter of the other deer...it IS the best shot and angle....any cheese to go with the whine....LOL....Jeff
From: kickstand
16-Feb-08
3 legs on the ground, nose down, 15 yards, I would take it any day.I dont like the angle of 4. Throw us a bone Pat
From: GAFFER1
16-Feb-08
1 and 2 since the legs are blurred you can assume walking, 3 with the head down, no blurred movement, not walking, best shot at a pass though. 4, deer is alert and the arrow may hit the opp shoulder preventing a pass through, 3 is the best even with a 0.
From: Little e
16-Feb-08
i was trying to tell my dad to pick 4 but he would not and iwas right and im 12 years old
From: Bou'bound
16-Feb-08
it's a 70 pound fawn any of those shots will ice it
From: Daddy Oh No
16-Feb-08
I picked 3 too. I like the angle and the attitude of the deer in this picture. Focused on the ground this deer would be dead before picture 4 could be taken.
From: jb@work
16-Feb-08
I disagree with the correct answer. I picked 3 for all of the reasons mentioned above. Head down, slight quart away, leg forward. I dosen't get much more lethal than that. JB
From: Dave
16-Feb-08
a ZERO for me too. RATS! It would have been helpfull to know if the photos were in sequence. Assuming they were, I would have never seen #4 My arrow was on the way at #3. A guarenteed pass through. HOW LONG DO WE WAIT TO FOLLOW???
this is great fun!
From: diesel
16-Feb-08
I like 3 its nose is to the ground sniffing and relaxed leg forward. Your gonna be busy draggin out 2 deer. 4 looks like it is getting nervous with its ears back smelling blood, about ready to boogie. Doubtful it will duck an arrow at that distance but stranger stuff has happened.
From: hawg
16-Feb-08
Pat, you dog!:) The only "challenge" here is trying to figure out which answer "you" picked. (Oh, I get it now)
I still shoot at #3 before she has a chance to get to #4 (turned at more of an angle and tensed up)
From: Kurt in Memphis
16-Feb-08
I want my money back!!!! #3 looked pretty darn good--closer shot, too!
Kurt
From: Buckstopper
16-Feb-08
I think Pat said #4 because he was to slow on the draw to get the shot at #3. I got her at #3. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
From: camoman73
16-Feb-08
#3 was the best shot !!!!! ARGGHHHHHHH walking? Looked to me like she was sniffing the ground relaxed???? This stuff just drives me nuts!!!! 33333333333
From: Orionbeme
16-Feb-08
Yup, #3 is definitely the best shot, no questions asked. That deer is NOT walking, it's merely moving the L front leg slightly. In #4, the deer is both on alert and presenting a pretty severe quartering away shot. Bad answer, Pat.
From: Orionbeme
16-Feb-08
p.s. Foreshadowing, perhaps: Since this is called the "Headache Edition", IF the shot taken WAS #4, that should tell us all that it was NOT the best choice, right?
From: Broadhead
16-Feb-08
So is it 2 people who thought 4 was the best shot. Pat and one other person early in the post.
From: Mike in CT
16-Feb-08
What was obvious was the answer would only be between 3 and 4. I went with 4 for the simple reason that the deer is looking away which allows me to draw unseen. (My 15 year old son has heard from me over and over "If you can see an eye the deer can definitely see you").
I will however agree with everyone here who felt 3 was a good shot. You have a deer with its head down and its mind on something. As a few here have offered I've not seen a deer with its nose to the ground going at a brisk or normal walk. Its more of a slow shuffling along and at 15 yards with a fast compound its a chipee. 9 points for 3 or 4 in my humble opinion.
Also, as you watch the video you'll notice the deer definitely dropped at the sound of the shot. This move would have been virtually impossible to execute with one leg moving forward. In fact some have advocated that within a certain yardage and provided you are shooting a fast compound a walking shot is a good shot to take to minimize string jumping.
*Perfect score by default only-my son is here with me and saw the deer looking away in #4!!! (Confession is good for the soul!!)
From: smokey111`
16-Feb-08
How can you tell that the deer is walking in #3 ? I know because you say it is, but not from the picture. In #4 the deer appears to be very nervous and in my opinion duck an arrow. #3 is the best shot.
From: Duke
16-Feb-08
Mike in CT: "look over the photos and choose the best shot." I agree with timing on a draw, but the question was not when to draw...
Pat: Let's get a reconsideration on No. 1!? :D
From: BowTech130
16-Feb-08
I liked shot #3 on the first question also, relaxed and looking down. Glad I got the second question right, I'm not very good at ball room dancing!
From: King_of_Kings
16-Feb-08
so wats i sthe answer for number two cuz you didnt explain it in the answer log!!!
From: JTV
16-Feb-08
The second deer is dead with that shot...I'm going over and start dressing the first one out...THAT is my waiting time...then I'll take care of the second....FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!! :0( .....Jeff
From: Apex Predator
16-Feb-08
The deer jumped the string and started to whirl at the shot. I can smell a one lunger! Looks like the entry is half way back. This should be interesting. I would have gave this one at least one hour.
From: Joebowhunter
16-Feb-08
Question 1 blows again! Pic #3 looks like a perfectly calm, stationary, feeding deer.....IF YOU LOOK CLOSE, SHE IS HOLDING HER LEG FORWARD SAYING SHOOT HERE!!!!
From: Mike in CT
16-Feb-08
"I agree with timing on a draw, but the question was not when to draw..."
And if you're busted drawing you don't get a shot, do you?
From: GAFFER1
16-Feb-08
From the video looks like 3 was the right answer for the first question:)
From: pescarconganas
16-Feb-08
After watching the video on clue 2 i stick with my (incorrect) answer of #3 the deer reacted wildly to the shot and i think 3 would still have produced a great hit
From: Jeff270
16-Feb-08
So Pat, feeling a bit guilty about question 1 are we? Its not working! Don't try sucking up with the second question. It'l take more the one "gimme" to get back in our good graces.
Jeff
From: Canteathorns
16-Feb-08
I agree. Picture three was obviously the best choice of shots. The deer was feeding with leg forward. The shot we all dream of. Whoever made the answer for that one should be ballroom dancing.
From: BigWoods
16-Feb-08
I'm not going to let this question #1 conspiracy go. Look at the position of both rear legs and the right front leg in picture 2 as compared to picture 3. All three legs are in exactly the same position; only the left front leg has moved.
Given this photographic evidence, you cannot convince me that the was walking. #3 is the best answer.
By the way. I also think I see a second shooter on the grassy knoll in the background!
From: dreamcatcher
16-Feb-08
Pat, I hate to say anything bad about a fellow CT hunter. However, are you NUTS? LOL All kidding aside, I have to agree with Mike in Ct about string jump. I think #3 is the best choice. We really can't tell by the picture, if the deer is walking or simply starting to paw the ground. Still, the deer in 3# is more relaxed, the shot angle is better than #4 and the deer could not react as quickly to the shot. Regardless, of what you decide, you really make this site enjoyable! (most of the time!) LOL
From: greenmountain
16-Feb-08
Woha!What happened? I just looked at clue two and the screen came up saying I got it wrong. I didn't even get the chance to read the options. Da#$& Computer. Bob
From: HerdManager
16-Feb-08
3 legs planted, one leg bent does not a walking deer make...........................
It only took one more step to get to where it was shot. Walking?
I'll take #3 any day.
Maybe it's the camera angle, but that shot looks REALLY far back.
From: Hank
16-Feb-08
Awesome, 2 for 2. This is a good one
From: TD
16-Feb-08
I got my answer right to Q2. But it's not what I'd have really done! heh heh heh... I'm with JTV.
=D
From: Duke
16-Feb-08
Mike in CT: I, along with most others would have had my bow drawn back a long time before that point. -Beauty of let-off. :) (The shooter here is using a compund as well???)
Therefore, your logic is flaud.
From: Canteathorns
16-Feb-08
Anyone that actually thinks four is better than three is crazy and I seriously question your ethics.LOL
From: Dave
16-Feb-08
I got #2 right but I didn't answer what I'd really do! I would also spend the time field dressing #1 ne then start looking for #2. I'm worried about the hit on #2 after seeing the video.. looked high...to high. (also due to the title of this challenge)
From: Mike in CT
16-Feb-08
"Therefore, your logic is flaud."
Actually I strongly disagree. Drawing while a deer is walking in and relying on let-off allowing you to hold for the perfect moment will inevitably lead you to have to let down when a deer hangs up. While the frequency might not be that high, as the saying goes 'why push your luck?'
I for one would personally hate for that 1:1,000 time I needed to let down be when a solid 140 class buck is my intended target.
Flawed logic?
You decide.....
From: aoarchery
16-Feb-08
3 was it. Must have been eating while walking? Next please.
From: mrc2315
16-Feb-08
I had a spike in the exact position of #4 at 30 yards on the ground,it was tense from seeing something blow in the wind.When I released the arrow it dropped, spun and I hit a horn,that shot won't work.#3 is the doe I shot this year walking at about 18 yards she piled up in sight.
From: Dirty Bill
16-Feb-08
I call BS on #3 being wrong.That deer is not walking,and it's much less likely to jump the string than the alert deer in # 4. In fact I will shoot at a walking deer at close range everytime over one that is standing still.
I get a goose egg according to some one,but not in my opinion. BS
From: Dooner
16-Feb-08
#3 for me. It looks like it is distracted, smelling/eating something. The deer in #4 looks more on the allert. Pat what are you smoken? :-)
From: Buckfever
16-Feb-08
Look this is a very good exercise. Think about how much discussion we've had simply because most of us don't agree with the first answer. Which would have never occured if Pat had given us #3. Whether we score well or not doesn't matter, but the discussion does. Think about the newer guys, what they're going to gain from reading all the dialogue derived from shared experiences. Awesome stuff really, that they'll take into the field.
From: HCAshooter
16-Feb-08
What fun... Seems to me most people agree on #3???
IN MY OPINION the hunter in this challenge is/was the best judge in that situation. There were many variables preceeding the shot that only THAT hunter could varify/ make do with. Four pictures (Im assuming) aren't enough for most of us to make a comfortable decision on which choice is best, so we chose the choice we would execute had we been the hunter.I guess our chosen choice displays our personal ethics and practices. A common ground we all face, no matter who is right or wrong based on their choice. It just happens to be that #4 was correct in the real situation AND, was the answer for this question. Relax it's only a few points... Pat gave us what we asked for so thank 'im.
Enough said, hope I haven't over- analyzed this discussion. ( by the way, I chose #4) :)
From: Whipplebuck
17-Feb-08
Wow did that wind up the group I went for 3 also :-( at least you gave us a easy 2nd question just to be cruel I think.
From: hoosier152
17-Feb-08
This must be the "headache" edition b/c Pat didn't take #3 like the rest of us :)
I'm with PAV and several others.... 3 legs planted, head down = 3's a MUCH better angle considering how tense she is in #4 and she's already heard the string once before not even a minute earlier.
I'm guessing high w/ 1 lung and a high exit if any. It's gonna be a long walk in the woods.
From: Passthru
17-Feb-08
I not going to dwell on question 1 already did that. But #2 the shot looked a little far back for my taste but if I seen her pile up from sitting in the tree I would got down and started the deed. But for the way the video showed definetly would have waited atleast 30 if not 45 to get down, already have one down to deal with don't want to push this one out of the county.
From: Trebarker
17-Feb-08
"But #2 the shot looked a little far back for my taste"
Exactly why shot #3 was/is the better choice.
From: Bama slamma
17-Feb-08
how are we to know if a deer is walking based on a photo, it could be just moving its leg.Who comes up with this stuff?
From: Dietz
17-Feb-08
I liked # 3 but my wife talked me into # 4.Also my wife wants to know why we would shoot a Fawn.Mt Wife is also a Bow hunter,no way an anti-hunter she just believes that the Deer was to small to shoot.I enjoy the challenge keep up the good work.
From: crittergitter69
17-Feb-08
if the deer is dead in 5 min. it will be just as dead in 30 , im in no hurry , lol. would use the time to call a buddy to help me drag 2 deer
From: Jerry Leblanc
17-Feb-08
I got #1 wrong also but for those doubting whether the deer was walking, Pat does have it on video so if he says it was walking, it was. As far as shooting a small deer remember the intro. This is a cull hunt where the goal is to remove as many deer as possible. This is the goal of the state and property owner.
From: Joebowhunter
17-Feb-08
"Pat does have it on video so if he says it was walking, it was"
But our best choice is based on still photo's....Who's side are you on? :)
From: greenmountain
17-Feb-08
Lets asume for a second there ether is no way to play back the video. There is some doubt the shot was too far back. Your ears have told you the deer is down. The temptation is to go and see NOW. In my experience The deer will stay dead once it is down. If it is only wounded and is laying quiet it will be less apt to move after 1.5 hours than after 30 minutes. Leta assume the worst. Lets assume we follow the trail and see an alert deer. The best we can hope for (It is past shooting hours)is to exit without the deer running. I would mark the area with my jacket and other articles of clothing then leave the area. It will be a long night as I want to give it about 6 hours more but the coyotes have me on edge. Waiting for morning is too long. It is tough but this is the responsible thing to do. Bob
From: mrc2315
17-Feb-08
I lost a liver shot deer that I pushed once, It won't happen again.Sorry but I'm waiting 6 hours coyotes or not.
From: greenmountain
17-Feb-08
MRC2315. I can say with a great degree of certainty that whatever we do it will be the best choice only some of the time. I lost half a deer to coyotes because I was not sure of myself and waited. I made the right choice in general but the wrong choice in this case. Bob
From: King_of_Kings
17-Feb-08
I see no point in pursing the deer in the night.
From: mrc2315
17-Feb-08
Yeah I had a buddy lose a whole deer in one night actually about 8 hours, just a spine and skull left. But in an urban area I think it would be worse to possibly push a deer into an antihunters yard.
From: bruce wright
17-Feb-08
I will take 3 any day over 4
From: SBROWN
17-Feb-08
#3 for me also on clue one , deer didn't look to b walking, only 1 leg evn of the ground and hips not engaged. #3 looked more relaxed to me also, but oh well....
From: Fleabite
18-Feb-08
I also picked #3 due to the deers nose being to the ground with a beautiful broadside shot. #4 was also a good shot with the deer quartering away and is usually deadly as long as the shot is placed well!! However, for me #3 with the broadside shot I'll pick any time! before #4. Even if the deer is moving, not a problem, I've killed plenty of deer walking. Just my opinion!
From: Lupis
18-Feb-08
Shot number 3 for me also. That deer is going to become more tense with each step. And then I missed clicked at question 3. This is turning into a nightmare for me. Oh well.
From: larryski3
18-Feb-08
As an avid bowhunter with at least 100 bow kills, I felt #3 was the shot to take. Even though I recieved a big fat 0,but them backstraps would have been tasty
From: Fabow
18-Feb-08
from the clues and the fact that you filmed the hunt, on review the shot looks pretty far back and you smell odor, you did not see it go down thought you heard it go down, but because of coyotes you are willing to push this deer? it's bad enough the coyotes might push it, you have a gut pile to offer the coyotes from the first deer, I be setting up a coyote hunt the rest of the night
From: Hoytme
18-Feb-08
Leg forward to lungs exposed, heart wide open. #3 seems to be the best for me deer also seems relaxed. Far to many variables come in on the hard quartering shot in #4. First you have to enter through to guts to get a quality hit. This could cause trailing problems if the guts block the entrance wound. The hip and hind leg come into play with a little pull. This could result in a nonfatal wound.
Oh yeah and the darn deer looks like she tensed up because she scented your last deers danger scent from when she was shot.
I'll take #3 and watch her fall from the treestand.
From: MM
18-Feb-08
#3 No indication it was walking from the clues, (there's no video if your just looking at pics, assumed the shot was as it was in the picture, standing still, quartering away, feeding nose to the ground.
#4 actually quartering a bit much for me, rather get a passthru....
From: stan420
18-Feb-08
#1 I'll take a quartering away (like #4) any day of the week! Driving up through the vitals; total devestaion. One of my most favorite shots personally.
#2 was the true gimme in this one so far. Last challenge lots of people picked wait 30 minutes and go, when the correct answer was 20 minutes and "inspect clues". Pat threw us all a bone on that one by combining the 2 answers from the last one. Thanks buddy, we need all the help we can get!!!
As for #3, I think some of the clues are important in making the decision; a slight odor on the arrow,hmmmm, could be some liver/gut content all though no food matter they said. "Thought" he heard a crash but couldn't see= give it a touch more time is not gonna hurt for sure. 6 hours or next day is no option either with the yotes and all.
From: skinny indian
18-Feb-08
I'm sticking with #3 as well.
Question 2 was a gimme and I had to go back and look at the video of the shot on Question 3. The shot was a bit back, even for the angle. Also I didn't see the arrow exit the deer so I really couldn't tell what the arrow hit. I chose to give her an extra hour and was glad I got points for that. In reality what I would have done was field dressed and loaded the first doe and then went back to look for the second deer.
From: chief400
18-Feb-08
watch it if you are not using a mouse, I bumped the touch pad and got the wrong answer. Also #3 should be a great shot, I agree no deer moves very fast with it's nose on the ground so even if it was moving it would have been slow.
From: The Yode
18-Feb-08
I can understand that, being there, Pat thought #4 was a better shot (although his view was not the same as the camera – which is what we were supposed to go on). What I can't understand is no partial credit for #3 which the vast majority of us thought was a better shot. I'll take a slow walking, unconcerned deer any day at that range over an alert, stopped deer at a severe angle.
Come on Pat, #3 should have been worth a few points! 8-)
From: RJ Hunt
18-Feb-08
trying to put hunting situations on a few still shots is impossible.... dont take it too personal.
From: King_of_Kings
18-Feb-08
The reason I choose number 4 is because I was interpreting that The hunter didn't have the bow drawed back yet. And in number three, that deer was not looking at the gound when eating. I would be scared to draw back and possibly spook it. Thats why i choose number 4. Now if the hunter already had the bow drawed back then yes i would have shot at pictue number 3.
From: hunting dad
18-Feb-08
clue 4 threw me since none of the pointers are where the arrow went in. I'm a lousy guesser. I need a vulcan mind meld to get inside Pats head.
From: txhunter58
18-Feb-08
actually, although hard to see, I thought that the answer to #4 was right at where I thought the arrow entered. Watch the video again hitting the pause button when the shot happens.
From: TheTone
18-Feb-08
I thought the hit looked more high than as far back as question 4 is seeming to indicate. Oh well...
From: Dietz
19-Feb-08
missed #4 guess the viedo is misleading even went to look again at the viedo.I assumed th ehunter hit where he would aim,My fault.
From: SWAG
19-Feb-08
Swaged #4. I went with the one long white hair. Might have come from lower side pass thru, upper hair brisket area.
From: Buckstopper
19-Feb-08
Clue #4 is more evidence that the shot in the first clue should have been taken at #3.
From: HCAshooter
19-Feb-08
#4 was a gimme, Pat says choice B & C should stand out however if you watch the video closely, choice C would be the exit point on the deer's right side, while B is clearly the entry point, the only logical answer.
From: alwayslookin
19-Feb-08
So far I only got #1 wrong........which I have stated why I think it is bogus......others are pretty straight forward so far.....keep em coming.
From: King_of_Kings
19-Feb-08
I answered C because that is where the arrowed entered from looking at the video. the arrow is nowhere near the answer B. refering to clue number 4
From: mn_archer
19-Feb-08
Me too, I looked at the video in super-slow motion, one frame at a time, and it is nowhere near b-
Whatever, just a game, but nothing even remotely close to a true-life blood trail. The clues are all goofy and irrelevent. These things could be so much better as far as helping us all become better trackers. They do serve the purpose of keeping us all out of trouble with the Mrs. though-
good hunting-
Michael
From: bullelkklr
19-Feb-08
I agree with King and Michael...the entry point in slow motion viewing "appeared" to me to be at point B rather than C....I was wondering why the faint smell of guts on the arrow.
O well - I get a 100% on the last one - didn't expect to do it again :)
From: stan420
19-Feb-08
On the video, the arrow appears to enter at B to me. You have to remember that A) the deer is quartering away from you and B) the camera is above the shooters right shoulder. That arrow entered way back from choice C.
From: ilandhunter
19-Feb-08
I am sticking with 3 . no indication the deer was moving
From: Hag
19-Feb-08
Got burned on #3 pic. I think the deer is more relaxed, sniffing the bait not the bloddy arrow. Leg forward ya da ya da ya da. I'm a sore loser.
From: Dave
19-Feb-08
I bit on the long white hair...OPPS! I agree that the only thing this confirm is direction of travel.
From: brian
19-Feb-08
#4 how would you get a white hair shooting a deer in the guts
From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
19-Feb-08
The long white hair killed me too! Knowing where the entrance was and the position of the deer I felt the potential exit wound could have some white hairs.
From: Bucks_n_Gobblers
19-Feb-08
Over thought the last one..thinking there was some sort of trick ;-) even when pat doesn't try to trick us we think he is....LOL
From: hmaxims
19-Feb-08
I have two words: "I SUCK...."
fun though
From: RobHood23
19-Feb-08
#3 may be pawing but definitaly not walking. the back legs are straight and the right front leg is straight unless she only walks with one leg!!!
From: Fleabite
19-Feb-08
Clue #5 is a little confusing to me! I picked direction C as it looks like the deer is heading downhill becuase 1. If the deer was hit by the arrow on it's left side high. 2. the arrow exits the deer low to it's right side. 3. the pile of droppings if you notice are on the left side of the blood splats; deer usually have one or more bowel movements after a paunch hit. Then how would the deer direction B be what looks to be like its going uphill have the blood comming out of the entry site high on its left side???? I suck at this too! but fun!
From: Bowbuster
19-Feb-08
Man - If it wasn't for that dang question #1 I would be doing fine. I have learned from my past experiences though. "It don't matter what arguement you come up with, Pat don't give you extra points for nothing!"
Stupid walking deer! LOL
Bowbuster
From: Old Boy
20-Feb-08
Looked like C to me.
From: Glunt
20-Feb-08
If you freeze the vid right as it changes from 4 to 5 seconds, you can see that the hit is way back there. I thought it was farther forward myself until I slow mo'd it.
From: steve
20-Feb-08
I am taking my bow and going home how could I tell the deer was walking in # 1 with a still photo ?
From: Davy C
20-Feb-08
I'm gonna gripe about question #4. I don't see how you can tell the difference between hair from C and B based on the fact that it did not have blood on it. I also dissagreed with the importance of hair sign in Interactive Bloodtrail # 24. Because arrows cut it makes judging original length of the hair difficult and as a taxidermist I can tell you different deer have different shades of hair (not just what time of year they are shot). I'm sure there are some that are really good at interpreting hair sign, but it takes a lot of time and study (using reference swatches). I agree that you should use all information available when tracking a deer, but you also want to avoid jumping to conclusions but unless its white belly hair I think most of us should just stick to what someone said earlier and that is it tells direction of travel.
From: King_of_Kings
20-Feb-08
If you look at the bottom of the picture at that blood splatter then it looks like it is traveling in the direction of C. I thought of it as spilled milk, if you spill milk, the milk splatters in the direction it's falling. well the blood in the bottom of the picture was spattered towards direction C. Therefore i choose C and got it wrong
From: stan420
20-Feb-08
Further up in the picture you can see a definite spatter that sends it D's direction. Not to mention that the line of blood from the bottom left of the pic runs NE to the top right of the pic.
From: fuzzy
20-Feb-08
"deer don't walk with their nose to the ground"? what? you really believe that bro? how lon you been hunting or observing deer? ever heard ot the rut? come on! (I also feel that #3 was the best shot, and that little skipper woulda never lived to get to the "#4" position!)
From: Apex Predator
20-Feb-08
This has got to be the worst one yet! There is easily as much evidence on the photo of blood splatter to chose D. This has turned into a guessing game. I should have tuned out after watching the video! I would have given that deer several hours before starting the trail. The best outcome would be one lung with that deer jumping the string like it did.
From: Yendor
20-Feb-08
#3 the deer is much more relaxed. In #4 his ears are back, as she now smells the blood from #1 deer. She is ready to bolt. You should have already had an arrow ready when she came back. Perfect shot in #3. Hits opposite leg and less chance of hitting further back like happened.
From: EJG
20-Feb-08
i've succesfully out thought myself into two more wrong answers. maybe i'm more of fastball guy instead of a softball guy.
From: PBR
20-Feb-08
Apex Predator is dead on. D all the way. Largest blood spot clearly shows the deer was headed left to right. This is bunk.
From: Steve Jo @ Work
20-Feb-08
Agree with some of the above. I picked 3 due to her relaxed state.
Im curious why 4 is considered a better shot when she is obviously on high alert and the result was a hit as far back as it was?
Im new to these blood trails, but they apear to be more 'gamey' than instructional, are they all like this?
From: Brngman
20-Feb-08
With all of the red in the leaves and debris in the photo, it is very, very difficult to see the details of the blood spatter even with the enlargment of the photo. Or, maybe its just old eyes that can't find them in a photo with so many similar colors.
From: fuzzy
20-Feb-08
you guys ARE funny.... you have the guy who shot and recovered the deer, telling you which direction it travelled (let me clue you in, he KNOWS this info), but you still disagree, and argue.....
the same guy, who most likely pulled the 4 "stills" of the deer from a video-tape, tells you the deer in #3 was moving, once again, you-all are arguing...
hellooooo!!!!!!!! the guy who was there, and/or watched the video, knows whether the deer was moving!
amazing!
From: Steve Jo @ Work
20-Feb-08
Hey Pat
Thanks for taking the time to address that.
I did the trail before and this one but dont have any past experience with the interactive bloodtrail (looks like there were 22 before I found them)
Fuzzy - speaking for myself only, Im not questioning what really happened, just the validity of arriving at the correct answer based on the information presented in the clue.
It's all light hearted on my end.
I was thinking it was more of an educational tool, and in a round about way it is, as pat said through this discussion, but I would contend that the curve balls given reduce the chance of getting some of these right to 50/50 (guess)
Im ok with that.
Im no expert either.
From: greenmountain
20-Feb-08
As soon as I saw the which way did he go question I was sunk. My brain said it was between B and D. I guess wrong with amazing consistency. In truth you need a trend to get a clear picture. My score on this one is dismal but I am having fun and learning. Pat: Tanks for the clarifications. Bob
From: Brotsky
20-Feb-08
I think I officially struck out after question 5. This one definitely is a "headache" version! I deserved after doing well on 23. Keep 'em coming Pat! I'd ask for an elk blood trail challenge but we know the score there;-)
From: CAMPER
20-Feb-08
Either way it is a yoiung deer and would not move even if it pegged you. #3 is the best shot! Head down WACK!! ribs crack, deer lyes down you eat. #4 is B.S.
From: Bullhound
20-Feb-08
Sorry I did not take time to read all comments but have to say that #1 is absolute BS IMO. The indication to me is that D shows a deer more likely to be moving than does C.
From: mrc2315
20-Feb-08
Headache is right, show me the line of toilet paper and I'll tell you which way it was travelling.
From: OHBowhntr
20-Feb-08
Quote = Rik
"I disagree. I believe that deer was moving, but not running. I believe that with her nose to the ground investigating she would still present a good broadside.
4, quartering away, even standing still, that the hunter, for the a quick, humane kill, means you have to aim for the opposite leg. I think that is the harder shot even if the deer is standing still.
Please, if there is more logic to shot #4 that I am airing here, inform me. I am rather new at this, but I still feel 3 is better. "
Rick, I agree 100%, I think possibly had the shot been taken at this point, rather than when it was, this deer isn't making it out of sight. But that's just my opinion.
Doug
From: x-man
20-Feb-08
Well Pat, so far I'd have to say this one is just as if not more so "text book" than the last one.
Clearly the quartering away shot is prefered over the broadside looking at us shot. Clearly entrance wound hair. The only hard question has been the blood sign/direction question. And with a good monitor, you can see that most of the blood spatter that fell on a flat level surface, was heading in the same direction.
Or maybe I'm just luckier than good ;)
From: Cacman
20-Feb-08
I've never gotten a perfect score on these things. I often disagree with the answers, but so what? It's a game. If I was actually there trailing the deer I would most likely have a much better picture of the entire scene. I try to think like Pat would in tricking us and sometimes I get em and sometimes I don't. The biggest problem I have with these is that theyt don't come fast enough!!
From: camoman73
20-Feb-08
I didnt read the other posts all i have to say ARGHHHHHHHHHH DNG BLOODTRAIL GAME HAS MADE ME CLINICLY INSANE!
From: Apex Predator
21-Feb-08
Thanks for the response Pat. I have tried all of these and still enjoy them immensely. Sometimes the clue presented is tough, either by a photo or explanation. I know the answers are the right ones, since this is real "after the fact". The whole picture is the most valuable info in any trail. It should be a lesson to all to view all the sign in one big picture. These pieces can be tough!
From: King_of_Kings
21-Feb-08
Alright after getting the first one, i had missed everyone up till now. Thanks Pat I was starting to feel terrible but now I got number 6 right and im going to finish out strong.
From: Apex Predator
21-Feb-08
No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't find her in C! A was a definite, and B an almost definite. I need to stay off these things! Three points. What a let down.
From: Fleabite
21-Feb-08
Pat, love this blood trail challenge!!! especially after #6 challenge and your answer to the challenge; almost died laughing at the sarcasm! No matter how many I get right or wrong, or how much I disagree, I need this to take the edge off of my post bowhunting season anxiety. No deer hunting for 7 more months! Anyways, keep the blood trail challenge's a comming!!!
From: Yukon Jack
21-Feb-08
Sherlock could explain this better but here goes - Look at each picture. Note the angle that each picture is taken, look at the background / cover, the laurel, the trees, and the rocks. Once you acknowledge the surrounding area and find the similarities, you can locate the deer. A flashlight or lantern would make the reocvery easier. Is that a Coyote track in picture B?
From: fuzzy
21-Feb-08
amazed that I got this one, but the "shiny X 2" gave it away! good one Pat! :-)
From: Dirty Bill
21-Feb-08
I'm not impressed with the trick questions. Which part is the deer in. A So I click A. Why would it be in all of the sections.I didn't even read the question since it was obviously in A.
I don't see the purpose in using trick questions. I'm am so not buying the cd.
From: hmaxims
21-Feb-08
Just an update to my previous post...
I STILL suck, LOL
From: Bowbuster
21-Feb-08
This one is killing me. Went from a perfect score and know am on a horrible downward spiral. Just goes to show that anyone can get luck once - even me!
Bowbuster
From: Yendor
21-Feb-08
I really like the question about which picture has the deer. The Eyes are a dead give away. You can also make out the body if you enlarge the picture. So I had a strong A and B. Wait no A & B chose. Looked closer studying the trees and background and then I see what Pat has done. Taken the picture of the same area, at slightly differnet angle. Great job Pat.
From: dreamcatcher
21-Feb-08
PAT, these are not questions! They are RIDDLES!!! LOL
From: Sharpster
21-Feb-08
Well, I just ruined the perfect score I had going on Q #7.
Now who'd a thunk it? Truth is stranger than fiction! Good one Pat!
-Ron
From: Alaskan1
21-Feb-08
#7 was kinda given away by the additional info in one answer. I woulda thought a liver was involved too...
From: OHBowhntr
22-Feb-08
Got me on #7, I'd never imagined that he LEFT lung would've come into play, but I'd have certainly expected the LIVER to be sliced. Especially looking at how far back she's hit. But the way she jumped as the arrow was en route, she certainly may have jumbled things around inside so organs weren't where they usually are. That severe angle, is making me think maybe there was a better answer to the first question that didn't get full credit!!!
From: Fabow
22-Feb-08
I would have never quessed the exit hole even after watching the video clip that's way I love blood trails real or interactive you always learn something
THANKS Pat
From: Jbob
22-Feb-08
Wow...and I thought after 22 years of bowhunting I might know a thing or two, not so! I'm enjoying both challenges however, and am looking forward to clue #8. I have a big goose egg on 1 and 3.
From: 153
22-Feb-08
Question % looks like it is travelling "D". It looks like it is bleeding out BOTH holes.
Also, organs affected said nothing about the Pyloric artery. Trust me, you hit it!!!
153
From: stan420
22-Feb-08
Looks like a few of us botched our perfect score on this dang #7. Still a blast to play.
From: 153
22-Feb-08
I meant question 5
153
From: gahuntnut
22-Feb-08
Shot #3= Dead deer
From: Bowbuster
22-Feb-08
I suck on this blood trail. After a couple of wrong answers it is amazing I managed to find the deer! LOL
Bowbuster
From: JTV
22-Feb-08
Is it spring yet :0) ....Jeff
From: Kolbeck
22-Feb-08
Pat, I checked the top 200 scores so far....you know its a tough one when you don't even have a perfect score, howd that happen?
From: T Mac
22-Feb-08
Pat, thanks for the challenge! Once I again I thoroughly enjoyed it and was curious as to whether there is access to past blood challenges? Thanks, Tom
From: Mike in CT
22-Feb-08
Well, another trek down head-scratching lane! Blew my perfect score on #5 like a few others here. There was one large spatter clearly pointing to direction 'D' and unfortunatley I stopped there (despite 2 spatters to the left and lower showing direction 'B'). One thing to bear in mind is that deer can quickly change direction of travel for a variety of reasons (to avoid a branch, rock, etc) but will usually have a main direction of travel. Higher up in the photo there are spatters definitely following 'B'-my bad, got a little cocky!!
Looking forward to getting humbled on #25 lol!
From: MO Bow
22-Feb-08
I win! This is probably the hardest blood trail and somehow I got a perfect score...my first ever.
From: Fleabite
22-Feb-08
Pat, really enjoyed this blood trail! Hope to see more in the future! By the way I love those MX-3 Muzzy's as I believe a deer would go down no matter where you hit them with the MX-3. Same bat station, same bat time! and till next time, chow.
Fleabite
From: Old Boy
22-Feb-08
Pat-Thanks for the game. Had a little trouble with blood spatter but what the hell. Look forward to the next one.
From: GAFFER1
22-Feb-08
Like many of the others I may agree to disagree about an answer but these little tests, and the discussions created are priceless. Thank you
From: moe
22-Feb-08
Pat, I just joined the bowsite and I really enjoyed the bloodtrail. I definitely have a lot to learn. thanks Moe
From: dreamcatcher
22-Feb-08
Pat the Riddler?????, what's going on. I happened to check the results and you only got 51 points? Like I said before, Riddles????? Oh, by the way, great picture???????? LOL!!
From: BowTech130
23-Feb-08
Great Bloodtrail, it reminded me to slow down and look at all the possible clues, not just the first one before charging ahead, just like in the woods.
From: Jbob
24-Feb-08
Well, I ended up with a 51. Not so bad I guess, and my goose eggs were actually on 1 and 4, not 3. Oh well, better luck next time. Had a blast learning and playing. That's what it's all about for me!
From: DonSchultz
25-Feb-08
My first finish "clean".
I'm a happy camper.
From: Scrape Hunter
25-Feb-08
So, after all of the whining, bitching, monday morning quarterbacking from many of you nobody has anything to say now?
That deer was hammmered with shot #4. Went down in 10 seconds and 60 yards.
Keep em coming Pat!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Davy C
25-Feb-08
I liked the last question even though I got it wrong.
From: stan420
25-Feb-08
Last question got me. In the beginning he said he saw the deer head into the mountain laurel and never came out the other side. That patch was 100yds away. Stupid deer didn't even make it TO the Mtn. laurel!! Excellent game and keep 'em coming. I learn something from all of 'em!
From: fuzzy
25-Feb-08
stan, me too
From: The Yode
25-Feb-08
Scrape - but if he would have taken the broadside shot, he wouldn't have hit the stomach! ;-)
From: horsethief/office
03-Mar-08
I picked 3 on the first question. Looks like he is standing still to me.
From: Deer_slayer
05-Mar-08
The question with what direction the deer went nobody sprayed any hydrogen peroxide for the color impaired (color blind) people in the word so i will cry discimination against for us. lol 9 points down the drain
From: Wingnut
15-Mar-08
I believe #3 presents a better shot than #4 for the following reasons: 1. In #4, the deer is alert and nervous, #3 relaxed. 2. Though both are quartering-away shots, #3 presents a slightly larger target (angle not as acute). 3. because I picked #3...
From: Bowman
16-Mar-08
I had to say #4 for the shot position based on the fact that the deer was facing away and listening intently.
From: Bowman
16-Mar-08
From: Bowman
16-Mar-08
The angle of the video is even hard to tell where the shot comes from let alone tell the angle of entry.
From: TD
13-May-08
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
From: STIKSLINGR
13-May-08
THREE...... 3 all the way... the body language is way more relaxed... c'mon! the angle is better in 3 and in 4 the angle is not as good, the deer also looks tense as if it would jump the string because it is already listening intently at something!... I flunked according to this one! lol!
From: Buckstopshere
01-Sep-08
After you look and follow a lot of blood trails, I have a "sense" which way an animal is headed by looking at the blood and sign. I should have had at least partial credit because the "direction" I chose was more correct than the correct answer.
From: muzzy100
18-Sep-09
how do u tell if its walking in a still frame on question 1. i thought it was standing still w/ its leg forward picked 3 thwwwwwwwwwwwwwack. lol
