Discuss Interactive Bloodtrail 29
Whitetail Deer
hmmm. This isn't the same deer that was dicussed in the recent live hunt thread is it?
I can feel my blood pressure rising already...! Love these but screw most up...
I've been waiting all year for another bloodtrail challange!
IMO B was easily eliminated? Wiht the front leg back the bone is right there? In addition the arrow would be low on the backside.
Finally I am of to a good start, can we stop the chalenge now and call it 100% before I screw it up?
I completely agree with delmag. The near leg is back and the exit would be awfully low if the arrow deflecte off the bone and missed the heart. C is a hair high, but would catch both lungs.
I agree with juneauhunt. From an elevated position, "C" would get the job done quite easily, with the least risk of deflection.
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I did C too,for the record, with the same reasoning- I figured the shot was elevated enough to warrant the high onside aiming point- but I've never ben in a treestand in my life, so what do I know?
I went with B but that isn't the spot I would have picked. I would have shot in between B +C.
I should have figured - I'm with everyone else and picked C. Halfway between B and C you would have had me. This was picking the best of all these bad choices, so I picked C. B is simply too low from a treestand.
That's where I went, and for the same reason..."C".
agree c is best.b is too close to bone.and elevated c is a much better option.pat you forgot to mention how high matt was hunting and that changes angles
Chose C as well. Much better choice for both lungs from a stand.
Watch out for that bone! Wait for the deer to step forward with that right leg or shoot up and to the right a bit. Arrows can get redirected. Now if you had a smoke bow on that shot you would be perfectly fine.
Also didn't think B was obvious choice. 12 year old probably not pulling enough poundage to ram one through bone. Not many people would purposely shoot for the front shoulder. C was kind of high. I went with A but I didn't really like that shot either.
I picked B. The leg bone angles forward at the elbow joint. B appears to be above the leg bone. IF the arrow deflected off the bone from the B spot it would probably deflect up and not down.
That was a gift. C would be good if the deer was 10 yards closer.
Is there a way to see the answer screen after it has taken your choice? It never showed up for me. I take it by your comments that the correct answer was B? Thanks.
Went with C..I also get smoked on these :(
Thought B was on bone and a little low to boot, C too high, so figured had to be A although I thought it was a tad bit back, although still a killing shot. Got 3 pts. Would have rather shot between B and C. This thing kills me every time.
Lee
B appears too low for a double lung, and you would hit the offside leg and probably not get an exit.
C would be perfect if it were just a hair forward, I would definately not aim for B.
I figured this was a gift as well- went looking for "E"- none of the above. I don't see a good shot with any of the choices. But- I also hunt with a recurve- so am a bit more concerned with bones....and certainly didn't like A. Oh well, not the first time I've started one of these with a ZERO!
B! C gives very little margin for error if the deer drops at the shot or if the shot is a touch high.
With B, if the deer does not move you hit the heart, and if it jumps the string, which may be likely at the close range, you should hit the lungs.
I went with C as well. I do not like that shot with the front leg back. I would wait for one more step to expose the vitals without bone interference. OF the shots, C seemed the only one that would keep bone out of the mix and still catch double lung on a downward angle. I am glad to see I am not alone on this one.
A 12 year old kid better be one heck of a lot better shot than most to try to skin past that knuckle to make a clean kill. C is by far a better option in his case.
No worries, he Is the Worlds's Greatest Tracker....
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Jeez, I picked C as well, for all those reason stated above. And likewise start with a blazin' 0.
Another for C, my opinion is like others....B is risky with the leg bone and the steep down angle warrents a higher shot placement.
Come on Guys, B is perfect! Deer don't jump the string where you live? I would actually aim lower than B.
I don't see B as a problem and the off leg is forward. The bone is also a little forward of the shot and C as someone said is not good unless the shot is within 8 or so yards.
b is the only way to go imo.. the asngle looks perfect for height in stand
B is correct. C is a spine shot if she ducks at all. I would have guessed A if Pat was shooting though ;) He always aims too far back.
I would have aimed right between B and C. B would be perfect is he jumps the string and goes lower at the sound of the shot, which most do.
When does clue 2 come out!!??
Under the title Blood Trail 29 is says "Text Bok" Edition should it be "Text Book" or am I missing something?
congrats to all of you who picked C
there was some confusion, we meant to give you 3 bonus points on top of the original 9. Your total will be changed to 12.
First two clues were definitely gimmes.
Personally on that hit, I wouldn't wait 30 minutes, but these are Pat's rules (I have LOTS of trouble sitting after a shot!).
I wouuld like to know what the deer did after the shot, it ran 10 yds and stopped, then what, that would effect my next move.
B is a tad close to that knuckle, but that is where I aim when a deer is 20 yds away. Hit them there and they are cooked. When people have problems with bone it is almost always in the shoulder blade or on the knuckle that connects the blade to the leg bone.
This is the problem area more than the joint near the B aiming point. If you break through B , you are in great shape. Break through that shoulder bone, you will have a tough time recovering that deer.
Currently only 58% of us have answered clue #1 correctly. I would interpret that result as the answer was not a "gimme". I also picked C for the reasons given above. It is not where I would aim, but given the options, I felt it was the best shot.
I love these blood trails and learn something every time.
What ever happened to putting the pin in line with the OPPOSITE front leg.....which is answer D?
You hit that deer on the D mark, and it will fall within sight.
A is darn near a gut shot, B is low, C is high. D is SMOKE CITY, and zero points...............
???????
D is top of the heart and lungs. Maybe if BB would back me up here I could get some partial credit?
/:^)
Never in 45 years of killing over a 100 white tails would I wait a half hour to go gut my deer after making a kill shot like that. Goofy.
I don't know that I would have waited a full 30 minutes either, but what's the harm in being overly cautious in this situation?
If the video suggested a quick change of conditions (rain, snow, darkness etc.) then the decision to get out of the stand more quickly would be easily justified. As it is, nothing bad is going to come from waiting 30 minutes instead of 15. Because the only shorter wait time listed was 2 minutes this was obviously the second of two gimmes.
"By the book" wait 30 minutes before trailing. I answered it correctly, however my action would be based on the what happens to the deer after the video stopped.
I chose 30 minutes. BTW, thanks for changing "Text Bok" to "Text Book." ;-)
Hmm, I killed one with a C shot just yesterday and it was high in one lung and centered the other - from 15~ feet at 37 yds.
I'd avoid B because that would hit the "elbow" the forward one would be good if I missed the shoulder blade and the rear would be liver/guts.
I always mess these up!
Sorry, I meant to say I chose A as a shot choice.
Hi Pat/Matt, Glad to c you guys are still hunting. I don't understand what the fuss is about - where the best shot goes. I would have tried a hit as soon as I saw fresh meat? Where I live I don't get the chance to hunt with a bow. I lost the video stream and didn't see the blood trail. Only got zero for not answering question within 6 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!! Matt, love to hunt with u again at something called MHHish-X1V, I thunk? Don
They slacking up there in CT? Wheres clue number three? LOL J/K!!!
30 minutes is standard issue inspection wait guys. Anyone who answered otherwise, has never done one of these challenges before. :)
Perfect shot placement for a light poundage setup. It's still a killing shot three inches up, left, or right. Three inches down, and the deer runs away without lethal damage. The other three shot options left possible mortal wounds without recovery.
C! The only shot that will get you a double lunger. Hit the one tabbed as "obvious" and you get single lung. Of the remaining, one is too far forward - risky with the leg bones, and the other too far back.
"A" looked the best albeit a bit back. I've never not found a deer hit near "A" and every year I hear story after story and help other people on track after track on "perfect hits" that turn out to be nothing more than shoulder hits. I'm afraid of the shoulder but not afraid of the back portion of both lungs. The reason I went with A is looked like the deer was slightly angling away and this put the exit closer to the back legs than the others.
I looked again. "C" is probably the best however if this deer ducks you are in trouble so I'd still go with "A" or wait for the deer to take one more step and then all choices are excellent!
": x-man
30 minutes is standard issue inspection wait guys. Anyone who answered otherwise, has never done one of these challenges before. :)
Perfect shot placement for a light poundage setup. It's still a killing shot three inches up, left, or right. Three inches down, and the deer runs away without lethal damage. The other three shot options left possible mortal wounds without recovery."
Best response yet.
A C and D are all marginal. The high lunger will do it but it is WAY too close to the shoulder blade to be prudent.
Honestly, I don't think "C" gets you anything but backstrap and backbone. That's the shot placement that gets poeple talking about "the VOID". Decent blood for 100 yards(muscle blood) followed by no blood and no deer.
Honestly, this is the first BTC that Pat has put an aiming spot exactly where one SHOULD aim. If the leg was farther forward, I would aim a little farther forward with it.
Why would you wait 30 minutes to inspect the scene. 30 minutes for blood trailing yes but why wait to inspect the scene. I don't get it.
Wow, I just choked on question 3. Out of curiosity, what the heck can a tuft of deer hair tell me about my shot when I have the shot on video AND a blood covered pass-thru arrow??? I'm not saying that hoof prints are any more valuable in this specific situation, but what makes the hair a better clue than hoof prints?
I think it may give an indication of where the arrow exited, i.e. white would indicate a lower exit?
White hair could indicate the arrow exited out of the anus??? Didn't Pat shoot an elk last year in Colorado when the arrow took an almost 90 degree turn upon entry?
My guess is that this bloodtrail was so simple that Pat had to try real hard to find some questions to fill the 8 minute tracking job. LOL
archery95... I agree, but who had too on question #3?
I read the question just fine. My point is that a tuft of hair (the hair from all does is equally as similar to the hoof prints of all does) is no more important than a set of hoof prints. The hoof prints tell you where the deer stood and which direction it ran. That is pointless information being that you just saw where the deer stood and where it ran. The tuft of hair tells you that youur arrow impacted the deer which is useless infomation being that you just saw the arrow impact the deer and have now recovered it covered in blood. IMO both clues are equally worthless in this case.
The color of the hair can give you clues as to your shot location, and can be very helpful.
The old "wait 30 minutes" is an urban myth. Deer don't stiffen up until rigor mortis sets in. Deer blood will clot quickly and keeping the deer on the move can prevent this from happening. A gut shot is the only exception I see to this. If you have a video that indicates a good shot in the vitals I say get on with it.
I am 3 for 3 but I would of told matt wait 1 more step to get that leg forword .STEVE
"I have come to the conclusion that if I asked the question "Do whitetails have ears" 20% of you would answer "No" and argue with me about the question.
Seriously - LOL!!!"
No we would NOT! :)
What ears? Those are wind indicators!!!
Only if ears was not one of the answers. You asked to pick the best shot and then give four choices which all encircle the best shot.
Thought/think bone was in the way for "B" It's quartering enough I figured A would get the back of the right lung and angle towards the front through the left lung. (I know it has for me in the past)
Took the 30 minute answer, but from what I interpret off the video that deer is about 5 seconds from the "tilt" light coming on. That sure looked like the last semi-coherent movement before the wobble and fall.
Deer have ears????
The answer to Clue #2 should be A. Clue #2 does not ask how long should you wait before "tracking". It asks "minimum time we should wait on this shot before getting down and inspecting the arrow and shot scene." I see no reason to wait 30 minutes after the shot to get down out the tree and look at the arrow and scene. Starting the track is a whole other question.
2 minutes after the shot the deer could still be very close and climbing down to inspect the arrow could spook into the next county. We don't know what the deer did after the video. It could of walked another 20 yards and bedded down and it could of feel over within sight. We just don't know yet.
exactly. no harm in waiting 30 minutes
i answered 2 min. just too see if my hunch played out and pat gave any credit for the obvious...but this is TEXT BOOK and i knew 30 min. was the min time he always uses on these blood trails. i think the deer fell over in sight!...notice how quick the video shut off! great shot matt!
I found the statement made about waiting longer than 30 minutes if you were not sure of the shot and no video is available, to be interesting. I just figured 30 minutes should be good in most cases. You are only checking the shot scene not following the blood trial. If the deer is out of sight and you could see a good ways. Checking the scene only, would be ok.
Then decide weither you follow the blood or wait, possibly backout if necessary.
I would like Pat to tell us specifically what value the deer hair provided to him and Matt on this bloodtrail. If the answer is "no value" then it seems of equal value to the hoofprints IMO.
Put it this way... if the arrow was not there, would you rather have white hairs with a little blood on them, or hoof prints that may, or may not be from the same deer??
If the arrow wasn't there everything would be different. If the shot wasn't on film things would be different. If anything was different then it wouldn't be the same. LOL
I don't believe I'll have a heart atttack (at least not from the game). I just like to hear the reasons behind the answers...reasons I can identify with. I always bomb on these games, but I love to play them just the same.
And if you were me then I'd be you.
Hair = hit Tracks = deer was there.
It is ok to get one wrong. I grade you on your effort, A+! :)
Archery95 "The hoof prints would be the same on any shot"
If you pay more attention to the actual tracks from the deer hoof you'll see that your statement isn't true. Compare tracks from a deer that you saw in all its various gates, ie: baseline, under/overstep walk, trot, bound, pronk and gallop. Then study the tracks of each deer you shoot and how they look different when you shoot the deer in the heart, lungs and if you unfortunately get a gut, muscle or heavy bone shot. If you take the time to do this, you will see just how much info you can get just from the hoof tracks. THis kind of track study takes a lot of time and discipline, if you simply just walk up to the tracks, look at them and walk away, you'll see little difference but if you pay attention to detail, take notes, measurements, pictures, draw sketches and so on, then you'll learn a lot.
Even with all of the studying, it would not be close to exact even withyears of practice because differen deer often react differently to the same or similar shots.
Willis, even taking what you are saying into consideration, if you have the proper mentors to teach you how to read the tracks, you can be very exact simply by looking at the tracks. If you try to figure it out on your own or with out the proper mentoring you wont get very far and yes it will take years but to me it's worth it. I'm not at this level YET but I know (not just know of)those who are. In general, it takes up to 15 years of passionate study and proper mentorship to become a true master tracker. Tracking is something I'm passionate about so how much time it takes me to get to a certain level is irrelevant because I'm enjoying the journey. Blood trailing is only one very small aspect of tracking, valuable yes, but only part of the bigger picture, it's very common these days for people to nearly completely ignore the hoof tracks because they either haven't trained their eyes/brain to see them unless their very obvious and even at that we just see it as a deer track and don't know how to interpret all the information that is there for us.
I am a school teacher and I am doing this challenge with my students everyday. Actually clue 5 popped up during our biology class today, the kids thought that was cool.
Anyways, they are doing pretty good for kids who don't hunt.
They talked out the shot selection very well and 50% picked B and 50% picked D. On the clue question they all identified hoof prints as being the least important, it was a gimme for them.
Thanks Pat
Ok I have gotten all of the answers correct except the first one??????
Am I the only person who sayd D was the best shot?
The facing shoulder is back giving a clear shot into the opposite shoulder!!!
I would take shot D all day long.
Pat,
Our thanksgiving was a few weeks ago. Canada eh
I answered C as well for best shot. Of course the best shot would have been to let the deer take one more step and move that leg on your side forward. But if I couldn't wait, then C from an elevated position, would be the shot I would have taken. I don't know why you would get partial credit for A, that looks to low for lungs and awfully gutty to me.
Trying to due clue 5 and can't get magnifying to work.Waited still nothing happens???
I got a zero on #2 becuase on the vid the deer stop and looked back and with that shot placement I'd be willing to bet the deer was dead insite in 2min with no need to wait 30min.
i have to agree with arctichill. a tuft of hair is irrelevant when i have an arrow that is covered in blood to look at. hoofprints can tell you a huge amount of information if you pay attention like piton said. i have had only hoofprints to lead to one of the first elk i shot with a bow, because the broadhead i used was ineffective. if i hadn't has been as diligent as i was paying attenion to the tracks i might not have never found my elk. i also had an experience with a rifle hunter i guided that wasn't that great of a marksman. he shot a bull 3 times in the guts. that left me with no blood trail, but i was obviously going to have a dead elk. we let it be for a while. then the only thing that led me to the bull was tracks over dry gound with fallen aspen leaves covering the ground on part of the trail. it is fairly easy to tell if the track you are looking at is the animal you are pursuing or an old track. the only issue there is if the animal joins other animals on the same trail, but even then if you pay close attention you will usually find the one you are looking for.
I chose D for the first answer.Did not like any of the choices for the same reasons.
something is wrong, I am 5 for 5... hehe
I think this has been one of Pat's easiest bloodtrail so far but I think he will stick to us before all the clues are over. Mike
It's why all you guys loose deer all the time. The place to aim...and hit!!! IS D!
Put it there and you don't have to hire helicopters!
I'm still Hung up on #1.
A better question would have been which of these arrow placements is the closest to where it should have been. =D
I don't agree with waiting 30 minutes to INSPECT the shot. If the deer is out of sight you can easily go up to the arrow, inspect it, look for blood/type and then decide if you should wait 30 minutes or more.
Archer, just because you cant see the deer doesn't mean that they can't see you. If I had a dollar for every fawn I've almost stepped on or every deer that was 5 yards or less from me and I didn't see until they moved, I'd be a rich man.
Unless you SEE that the deer is down and are quite certain it's dead, I agree 100% for waiting 30 min. Whats the rush, you have nothing to loose by waiting and everything to loose by rushing.
i've gotten all correct but #3, How can a hoof print be less important than hair?......At the point of impact a lot of time there is no blood, a hoof print would tell you the direction the deer headed!
I have to say the anti hair arguments seem strange to me. If you study deer hair you will find almost each area of a deer has different variations of hair.
With a through and through you shoud be able to determine both entry and exit wounds wounds hairs (two tufts about 10-12" apart) to tell you what the arrow may or may not be able to.
I personally agree with hair having more ability to give useful clues than hoofprints.
But as with anything the sum of ALL of the clues is required.
Dan,
I guess you're more versed in deer hair studies than I am. I'm an amateur, but if the deer hair is coarse and tightly curled I'm pretty sure it's a bad hit. LOL
Seriously though, I think hair from the body of a whitetail deer varies about as much as hair from the body of a zebra. There are two primary colors, and when individual hairs are viewed very closely one will find infinite amounts (dependent upon level of magnification) of slight shade differences between each strand. No two deer are colored identical to one another. Furthermore, the hair is a little blood stained, so anybody who can accurately and consistently tell where their arrow exited (we saw the entry on the video) based on a hair sample belongs on a TV Show called CSI Connecticut.
Well, if everyone agreed with Pat then might as well not have the bloodtrail. Eveyone has their way of hunting and I'm sure they way of bloodtrailing. I'm sure these bloodtails over the years have helped some to think about the sign left behind to help them find their deer. Mike
Large photo clue is great! Definitely fooled me!
This is gonna be a hard one guys. Only 39.0 percent have got it right so far. Look carefully now... :-)
Dirty trick. There goes the 100 percent. It's fun anyway.
I have a color booklet that shows deer anatomoy, hair, and has all kinds of good info, but if you go here you'll get a synopsis of deer hair variations by body location.
If you look closely it ain't all "just hair."
http://www.bowsite.com/bowsite/features/practical_bowhunter/bloodtrailing/index.html
I need my binocs for the next clue......
AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!
Nobody give clue six away.......
Can't see it on my phone I need to get a little closer I guess.
Now I see her did'nt use the binos
Dam, their goes my 100% that was a good one (clue 6) Pat.
I got lucky on 6. That's all I'll say for now. Don't want to give it away. No skill involved on my part though, just luck.
DClark, your giving too much info for clue 6 on your last post. How would u feel about removing the post so others can figure it all our on their own. Just a suggestion, I had to bite my tongue as well.
Man. I was perfect until Clue 6. That's all I am saying.
I think the huge point that people are overlooking around the clues at the hit site, is that it is only talking about the clue at the actual 'hit' site. Therefore the hoof marks would be irrelevent, as the deer was standing there no doubt about it and hoof marks would be present.
Hoof marks can and definitely become important during the trailing of the deer, as you can mark its passage where no blood is present, but at the actual point where it was hit by the arrow, they would not make a difference. You saw it, you shot it, you saw what direction it took, end of story right there.
I agree that hoof marks are the "least" important but hoof marks have helped me on several occasions to figure out exactly where the deer was standing when I shot. Several times after climbing down, especially after dark, I have been a few feet off and the hoof marks have helped me find my arrow in tall grass and/or leaves etc.
"It's why all you guys loose deer all the time. The place to aim...and hit!!! IS D!
Put it there and you don't have to hire helicopters!"
Yes, it will take out the pump station at the connection point, but that is too far forward for me because being off an inch high, low, or right and it is a bad bone hit. Just above B is just as effective and gives more margin for error.
hoof prints are useless at the point of impact , after all you know which direction she ran off , you watched her run off
"Just above B is just as effective and gives more margin for error."
"Just above B" wasn't a choice. (sniff)
#%$&@*%^$!
I'll normally mark where I shot from and often use the tracks where animals "dug out" to help line up where to look for my arrow, very helpful sometimes. I've tracked animals when there wasn't any blood, I'm not the greatest at it but sometimes that's all you have.
But have never had tracks give any indication of what kind of hit it was and that I believe was the main point. I'm a ground hunter, finding the arrow is sometimes the hardest part. You can watch the animals go down and still lose the arrow. So yeah, tracks can be very helpful at times. But in a different way.
#6? Mr. Pat is evil.
For all you who are calling the hoof prints useless, I agree. You know the animal was standing there, and you know where it ran because it's all on video.
Now, isn't a tuft of hair just as useless??? You know you hit the animal because you have an arrow covered in blood. You have the shot on video so you can look back and even review where you hit the animal. For those forensic experts who can tell exactly which spot on the animal a bloody hair was cut from, there's no need to mark the location of the recovered arrow and cross-reference that point with the video to estimate the point of exit. The hair will tell you all you need to know.
For those folks, I guess it's a good thing some hair was located so the color could be used to determine that the arrow existed the deer lower than it entered. The fact that the shot was taken at close range and from an elevated tree stand wouldn't have helped to determine that fact. LOL
I missed question 6. So far, I've got the rest right even though my score doesn't reflect it. The hair is equally as useless as the hoof prints.
I was dead on till #6 but I wouldn't have had to see it my dog would have smelled it by then. lol That one was tough. I even blw the pic up and still struggled after it said where she was.
Once Pat described where she was I was golden! As a matter of fact, I can't believe I didn't see her there!!! After all, given the facat that I had found that tuft of hair it should have been a no-brainer right???
#6 No prob. I missed waiting 30min. (no way I would wait 30 min. seeing what I saw on video. ...just sayin.
At least I'm in the top 500!
I agree the hoof prints at the point of impact is the least significant clue of the four. I am not saying that they are insignificant only that they are the least significant.
6fer6 so far
Hair can prove very important. My 9yr old shot a doe (with rifle) recently. The hair at the scene told the story. Large clumps of long pure white hair. No blood. We did a 30 minute grid search and found no other sign. He simply cliped this deer low under the chest and didn't even get into the body cavity. Had I found any brown hair I would have continued the search the next day.
You are supposed to assume you DON'T have a video. This is a training aid not a TV show.
I have to go back to the first question and say B is not the right choice for me either. It's a shoulder shot as far as I'm concerned and it looks like most people agree, but whatever. I did like the photo and where the deer was laying..I totally missed it.
If every clue is supposed to be examined independently of the previous clue(s) then I guess I am wrong. I have always treated these blood trail challenges as I would if I were in the field. In the field, clues are cumulatively helpful. I'm done ranting....for now. :-)
What a great shot!! Can you really call it a blood trail if you "watch'em drop?"
The clue one picture really gave me impression the deer was further to the right of the shooter, which automatically becomes a quartering away shot, which to me would choose "A" every time... Only if completely broadside would I have chosen "B" which would make "A" too close to gut... But I still feel "B" is too close to shoulder and a tad low for treestand...
I hate when they use deer with the organs in the wrong places!
Did the shot really go through the heart, or did it hit the mass of vein/arteries just above it?
Regardless - still a good shot.
The only reason I got that one right my son shot one same exact place 3 weeks ago and he hit both lungs and barely clipped top of the heart.Before then i would have said double lung!!
I got question 7 right. Just have to know where the organs are.
I would have gotten #7 correct if I had answered it based on the video clip. Those two pics fooled me into changing my mind. Both entrance and exit look too high and a little back for heart. Oh well, at least I got 6 points out of it.
I'm hoping Pat will post a pic of the heart.
Arggg if he it the heart it was only because the deer had an enlarged heart. LOL
There goes my only chance to ever get a perfect score on one of these!
I find it very hard to believe that was a double lung/heart. Top goodies of heart is not the heart. Need a pic!
No way it hite the haert my 2c werth
I was thinking arteries on top of the heart as well i want a complete autopsy slide show
got me. A deers heart sits sooo low. I must have heartshot all my deer and didnt know it. =)
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that thought D would = Dead Dear. The exit wound is higher than I expected it to be shooting from a tree stand.
Man, I looked at the correct answer percentage and wondered if there was a trick answer. I did choose B because I thought it was the least offensive of the four, A was too far back, C too high, and D too far forward. Like many I think between B and C would be the best choice. For once I'm ahead of the game.
if you look at the video of the shot you can see the deer is quartering away slightly and the shot hits right in the pocket and fairly low. if i would have seen just the entrance and exit without the video i might have thought different. dont forget the deer can sometimes have their legs in different positions when the arrow hits them and when they move it makes the wounds appear where they are not. that can also lead to less of a blood trail. none the less when i saw the video i said...perfect shot.
Of course it is a top heart lung shot. D would have been near lung and major blood vessles, and possibly/probably the front of the off side lung. The problem with it is that it has to be precise because there is a lot of bone above, right, and below.
#8 lame I figured you would have seen it go down and not wait 30 minutes.
agree #8 was lame, 30 yards you had to see it go down so there was no tracking....
#8 was another gimme. Good thing they found the tuft of hair though, or they might never have found the animal.....or maybe they could have followed the hoof prints??
Dan in MI,
Based on the question for #8, it looks like the clues are cumulative??
wow, 29 of these and i finally got a perfect score.
Congrats on your perfect score!!! I'm sorry that you missed the answer regarding the least important clue. Luckily for you, Pat missed that one also. LOL
Perfect score UNTIL #8. I've made a lot of great shots on a lot of deer and I've NEVER had one only go 30 yards!
if u watch the video you see the doe stops right at the last couple of seconds of the clip. a deer shot that well usually isnt on their feet for more than 10-15 seconds. yes they can run a long way in those few seconds but since i saw it stop it make me think hmmm. i think watchin the video was the only reason i was able to answer the last 2 questions right. by lookin at the wounds it appeared broadside and hit behind the shoulder. but if watch video you can tell it was quartering away and the shot looked pretty low and tight to the pocket. i think when the deer went to jump when the arrow struck it moved its skin in relation to the body and made the shot appear higher than it really was. but i do think most of the questions here were pretty much gimmes
, good fun challenge. but i too think the blood trail would of been heavier then a few specs here and there. i would of liked to see the trail the last ten yards. every time i heart and double lunged a deer the blood trail started off slow first ten yards then got heavier and heavier,,,,,, maybe due to the fruits and nuts here in cali not allowing us to kill does and their great deer management plan i can blame them for my results,,haha
Joehunter8310 I agree with you the video is the only reason I picked the last two right. When I watched that video over and over I thought double lung heart and it aint goin far.
I have shot a few like that and they traveled less than 50 yards. In the video it looks like the deer is going to stop and with that shot it has to die in less than 10 seconds in my opinion. So 70 yards was to far 30 sounded right to me. I killed a doe last year in Ohio same shot placement and she went about 40 and was dead in seconds.
mike
Ok. Now that this is over, can someone point out the deer to me in Clue six? I still cannot find her in that picture.
Thanks Pat for another great challenge.
If you look at the picture, there are 3 trees that are prominent on the right side. The middle tree curves to the right at the base, follow the curve of the tree down about an inch in the picture, you should see the eys and some of the neck... Hope this helps!
darn red green color blindness! even knowing exactly where the first blood drop is, I still can't see it! LOL
I thought the hit a bit high for heart as well but the ear and eye were clearly visible in the "wheres the deer" pic :-)
Guys, 30 yards doesn't mean you see it go down....hear it maybe....at least where I hunt, anyway. I shot a doe over the weekend that didn't go 30 yards, didn't see her fall...In fact the longest blood trail this year has been maybe 50 and I have only seen 2 fall out of 8 deer.
Where should I start with this? Yes Selection A is the ideal shot placement. But with the onside leg back I would not try a shot to the the heart with the bony structure of the leg shielding the area. However this is the correct shot placement if the onside leg is forward. Next it appears that the actual hit is a double lung only. The shot looks too high for the heart. But every deer is a little different. I'll take double lungs any day! There is no correct answer to how far did the deer run. I've had this exact same hit on 10+ deer. They ran different distances starting from 10 yds and going as far as 100 yds. Most deer that I have double lunged like this one have run 40 to 80 yds. Once again there is no correct answer to this question.
my worst score ever! I pretty much missed most of them. I laughed when I saw "B" was the "...obvious choice".
No correct answer to number 8??? Of course there is a correct answer. The question was, "How far did the deer in question go?" The answer is derived by measuring the distance from the dead deer to the shot site. Apparently that distance was 30 yards, so 30 yards was the correct answer to question #8. Some of the other questions were more subjective, but not #8. With that said, I could easily see how someone could have chosen a different answer. Like others have mentioned though, the fact that the deer stopped in the video was the primary reason I chose 30 yards.
Not going to whine as I am #60, but I still do not like C in the shot placement! The actual shot also does not appear to be a "C" shot, yet takes out the whole pump station assembly!
Here is my justification on Selection A for the shot placement. The deer is quartering away with the onside shoulder back. By targeting an area furthur back than you would with a broadside shot you have more room for error. If you hit forward you still miss the shoulder and leg. If you hit a little back you catch the abdominal cavity but you will at least get one lung, and possibly get liver-lung. If the shot is perfect you get both lungs. Just my opinion, but this way of thinking has put many deer on the table for my family.
I am still on the shot placement. The boy's hit was between B and C and a little back and towards A. Which is the perfect placement. I would never aim for B when shooting from a treestand. The entrance is just too low and too close to bone structure.
artichill
Are you saying every deer hit like this will run 30 yds?
Buy using the clues presented and my experience I would say this deer ran btw 40 and 80 yds. This was a subjective question. Subjective to my experience with the clues provided. Everyones experiences are slightly different and therefore there answers to a question like this will vary. So you should chill.
Sure this deer ran a certain measurable distance. I bet no one took a tape measure and pulled it to check what that distance was. Maybe it was 30.75 yds.
yoke'em - I totally agree that on quartering away deer which this appears to be, that A is by far and away the best shot.... However the camera angle may be deceiving... I thought "B" was too close to scapula and too low for tree stand... Based on exit wound, it appears that prehaps they were not very high up and the shot must have been more dead broadside than any qtring angle... I too chose "A" based on purely on the clear visual that it was quartering away
I think that based on the shot and the fact that the deer went 30 yards supports the contention that 2 minutes was plenty of time to wait.
If you study the entrance and exit wound photos closely you can see that the entrance wound is slightly lower than the exit wound. Also the entrance is furthur back than the exit. When the video is watched the deer is angling away from the hunter when walking. As the deer cames to a stop the onside leg is back camoflaging the fact the deer is quartering. This kid put the shot in the sweet spot located between answers A, B, and C. Awesome shot!
Hmmm? But why is the exit lower than entrance???
Sorry. Why is the exit higher than the entrance?
Thank you Wakeg369, I see it now and I don't feel bad about myself for not seeing that the first time. That is a tough one.
I am a big fan of the "C" shot since the shot is from a tree stand and I am going for safetst double lung shot. Front leg back made me think "B" was a trick!
But to be honest, I have also been having trouble hitting deer in the shoulder and spine.... maybe these games are more helpful than in just tracking deer??
Thanks Pat.
man that is llokin like some good eatin'! Bet you get a good 40 pounds of lean, tender tasty venison!
yoke, I didn't say every deer hit like this would go 30 yards. In question #8 it's irrelevant how far any other deer would go except for the one at the center of this game.
As far as measuring the distance, I suppose you are probably right in that the deer was 30.75 yards. Because the answers are in a multiple choice format, and 30.75 yards wasn't an option I chose the next best answer.
Watching the early question video clip, you can see the doe ran for a bit and at the last moment slowed to almost a stop. I was guessing it collapsed soon after and went with the 30 yard distance.
Was expecting it to run flat out and drop dead at 70 yards, but that video clip ending gave it away.
Chilly,
The white hair could have meant it was going to run 200 yds, lay down and expire 4 hrs later. Maybe the hair was important.
#6 was tough. In real life it would have been easier to see. But in picture form it was tough. I didn't know I could zoom in on it. At least I couldn't figure it out.
I thought the boy made an EXCELLENT shot... However the shot was no where near "A" on the diagram. "B" was the best shot on the DIAGRAM based on the angle the picture depicts - IMHO. In reality - the best shot was where the arrow hit, which does not appear to show on the diagram based on shooting from an elevated platform.
Yoke,
Maybe it did run 200 yards, but circled back and died at 30.75 yards from the site where it was shot? I suppose the only way to know for sure would be to follow that deer's bloodtrail....or hoof prints. LOL
Thanks Pat, this was by far the best I have done on any bloodtrail challenge. A lot of fun. Can't wait for your next one!
Yessss!!!I knew the hoof prints were of equal significance to the hair!
That was a good one! Can't wait for #30!
I love the worlds greatest tracker video in the last question. My kids watched it 4 times last night...
That tracking video is PRICELESS.
WOW! I am the 329th best tracker in the world!!!!!!!!
Thanks Pat and Matt. I feel like a champ anyway :)
I'd like to see a picture of the heart. Shot seems to be a couple inches over it.
thinking back over the many animals that I have killed with a bow, the shot almost always seems higher when the animal is on the ground than when it was on its feet. The skin moves up, and the angle makes the shot seem higher than it was when they are on the ground.
The shot video made me think top of heart and both lungs.
I think someone nicked the heart while gutting his first deer. LOL Got a hard time believing that one. Just my 2 cents.
Roadkill, worth every penny ';-)
Roadkill,
Are you talking about the pic I posted or Pat's claim that the heart was hit? BTW, I believe that he hit the heart with his broadhead acording to the video. Entrace and exits almost always look higher on the body once the deer is down, especially in the crease and back from it.
This is a screenshot of the instant the arrow went through the deer.
Look closely right behind the elbow, and you can see where the arrow entered. That is a textbook DL and heart.
Also, notice the angle of the deer as it is leaning away from the camera. The opposite side of the deer (exit) is nearer to the ground than the entrance side. This would make the exit at the same level or higher than the entrance.
That lean into the direction that it is running is the reason for everyone having questions about the exit being higher. Also, notice that the entrance seems lower in this picture than in the one posted on the blood trail. As deer hit the ground, the skin slides up the body.
I can't agree more with this blood trail lesson. It was textbook.
Pat, you got me on the picture with the dead deer laying in it! I carefully scanned it too! lol Darn you Pat!! Good challenge!!
Congrats to you Matt! Fine shot and my kids love watching the "World's greatest tracker" video! That is priceless!!
Congrats Matt you must be really happy. I remember my first deer!
