bigfuzzy
*to obtain phermones, urine must be collected as passed and flash frozen. phermones are aeromatic chemicals and work by being distributed in the air...not left in a wet pile of pee.
Thunderthumbs.
You all might be interested in my sent delivery system. I got tired of having to take so many precautions to keep my sent out of the area I was trying to apply sent to, so I came up with an idea. I take regular felt that you buy at the drug store or craft section at the department store and I cut it into 1.5 inch squares. I then take either 2-4 regular .177 BB’s or regular wrist rocket large steel shot and wrap it up in the felt. I secure it by wrapping one of those little rubber bands that they use for putting the small braids in horses manes around it. (found in the equine section at any farm and feed store) While up in my stand I put one of those “felt pellets” in the sling of my wrist rocket and, wearing rubber gloves of course, place a dab or two of whatever sent I wish to place out there on the felt. It is then simply a matter of picking a spot within range of the wrist rocket and letting er’ fly.
Jack,
That statement is not correct in the least bit. CWD cannot be transmitted by urine.
CWD is a prion disease similar to BSE in cattle (mad cow) and scrapie in sheep.
One point you do have is the 'biosecurity' aspect of using pen raised deer urine. That you are right about. The one thing I know for a fact one could spread through using it is Leptospirosis but that is entirely another thread topic.
The best attractant I have used is Deer Daner...really had good luck with it.
jackb (MI)'s Link
Research HAS shown that prion diseases can and are transmitted via urine and feces. In fact, CWD was originally seen in a research herd of deer that were penned in an area originally used to hold scrapie infected sheep.
Mice have been used to demonstrate abnormal prions can be transferred by infected bedding. Prion diseases have been transferred between infected and non-infected animals also via intercerebral innoculation of brains, which indicates again that prions can be transferred via infected urine.
Prions are not destroyed once introduced into the enviroment. Neither sun, nor heat nor cold nor rain nor snow destroy prions. An Icelandic sheep farm had scrapie infected sheep removed. The land was chemically disinfected, top 6" of soil removed and left fallow for over a year. Within 6 months of scrapie negative sheep being re-introduced, signs of scrapie was seen in the herd.
Indications have been made that vCJD, a human variant of prion disease has been spread via surgical tools which are sterilized between uses.
Because of this nature of the abnormal prions; i.e. their resistance to destruction other than high heat (incineration)was also proven in the British with mad cow disease (BSE)...another TSE. This was partially due to British diet (body parts normally not eaten here: blood sausage, brains, etc.)and the fact that downer cattle entered the food chain.
Which again is why bovine derived protiens are no longer able to be used as supplement in cattle feed. The abnormal prions are not destroyed in the process where rendered animals are converted to protein supplements.
The spread of CWD across the Mississippi to the Eastern United States has been linked to captive cervids being sold for various breeding programs. Prior to its discovery in WI, the disease had not been seen east of the Mississippi and had been somewhat localized to the origial several western states.
The fact that there is NO test to determine whether a live animal is infected or a carrier means that unless the brain is sampled, no captive deer can truely be certified as CWD free. Because of the length of time for between infection and showing signs of the disease has cause most states to increase regulations of cervid farmers to keep scrupulous records of their animals and has caused restrictions in shipping interstate.
Cervids are not farm animals and their genetics make them much different than cattle and sheep which have been domesticated and raised in large groups for 100's of years. Raising deer in pens is not normal, and the genetics of the deer has not been selected to be herd animal density and kept in relatively small areas...which makes them more likely to rapidly spread an infection among the animals.
For the simple fact that CWD can be passed via urine, inspite of deerslayer has said(see link and references), anyone using scent lures from captive farm raised deer run a significant risk to introducing the disease into areas where CWD was NOT present. With the present knowledge base, I would consider it irresponsible to use these products merely for the potential risk. Of course, the economics dictate a different response: cervid farmers have herds that have relatively limited uses: pen raised deer for antlers/hunting, for meat, for oriental folk medicine(velvet); and scent lures. Without the ability to sell lures, the economics become bad for the farmers--especially with increased regulations regarding record keeping, fencing regulations, and restrictions on shipping between other farmers.
There is good news: the oft cited "no relation between eating CWD infected animals and human development of vCJD" seems to hold true. Especially if one avoids eating organs such as the spleen, marrow, or brain.
Something to keep an eye out for is EHD (epizootic hemorrhagic disease)which has show up in several areas in the US this year. EHD is the cervid equivalent to blue tongue disease.
So will hornets.
One year I teased my Dad unmercifully. He gathered up some acorns, boiled them and made a scent spray from it. My mother was pissed that the house stunk and he ruined a pan. All the while, I thought he was crazy and I just laughed....that is until he brought home this big bodied 10 pointer... his best yet.
