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Nose jammer work??
Whitetail Deer
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Bou'bound 25-Jul-14
LBshooter 25-Jul-14
Mark Watkins 25-Jul-14
Jaquomo 25-Jul-14
Doubleforky 25-Jul-14
t-roy 25-Jul-14
writer 25-Jul-14
kentuckbowhnter 26-Jul-14
Jaquomo 26-Jul-14
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Doubleforky 26-Jul-14
Hehaka 26-Jul-14
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From: Bou'bound
25-Jul-14
Has anyone ever tried this product ,..............let me rephrase that since I know someone has.........

Has anyone currently on the bowsite ever tried this product and if so how does it work

From: LBshooter
25-Jul-14
Bou , I bought a small bottle last season out of curiosity, 6 bucks. On my way down to my hunting spot I figure I would really put it to the test and set up upwind of where the deer would come from and I have to say I will use it again this year. I had a mature doe come out about 50 yards downwind of me and fed as if I wasn't there, walked towards me and then at about thirty yards she held up. Not sure why I don't think she smelled me because she didn't spook or snort,stomp and continued to feed. I needed her to step a few more yards to clear a bush and I would have had her, but she turned and fed the other way. I believe it works and in the early season I bet it would really work, but the fact that I hunt heavily hunted public land I was impressed by the results, I think it's worth your 6 bucks to try it.

From: Mark Watkins
25-Jul-14
I have a buddy that swears it covers his scent. So....I bought a can and used it late season last year. My limited use conclusion was ..it didn't hurt. Deer (as a rule) like the smell of vanilla. I use their stick deodorant as I like the smell of vanilla!

Mark

From: Jaquomo
25-Jul-14
Yes, I've had inexplicable results with it while plains deer hunting. So have other very credible bowhunters I know, including Curt Wells.

I have close-up photos of bucks and does I've called in while hunting on the ground, and have watched them hit my scent cone and pay no attention. I also killed a 350 bull elk last year at 22 yards that came in with swirling wind. I'd sprayed it around on logs and a tree trunk where I was hiding.

I'm a major skeptic of this sort of stuff. But I've had enough positive experience with it that I'll continue using it.

From: Doubleforky
25-Jul-14
I used it last year with good results, thanks that reminds me I have to get some more.

From: t-roy
25-Jul-14
I'm like Jaquomo in being skeptical of this kind of stuff as well. That being said, I've had positive results using it.

My wife & I were at the Deer Classic the first year Nosejammer came out. They had a booth there & I walked by it & didn't stop. My wife, however stopped & got talked into buying a can of it. Honest! She brings it to me & tells me that I need to try this stuff.

After setting on the shelf for two years, I decided to try it during the last evening of the late season hunting over a food plot. I had marginal winds at best but tried it & had over a dozen deer, including several mature does downwind of me for over an hour & none spooked. They would sniff the air but didn't become alarmed at all.

I've used a few other times with similar results. Only had 1 deer spook when using it.

From: writer
25-Jul-14
I was optimistic, tried it two or three times and got busted when deer were downwind as much as ever.

26-Jul-14
I cant see how it would work unless you sprayed the whole can up both nostrils of the deer. they can smell over 1000 times better than us. maybe you should try and experiment: put a fresh dirty baby diaper upwind of your face to where you can smell the crap well and then put some nose jammer in the air and see if you can smell the baby crap. if your nose is jammed and you cant smell the baby crap for several minutes then they may be on to something.

From: Jaquomo
26-Jul-14

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kentuckbowhunter, I don't understand how it works except to possibly confuse the deer's sense of smell. Deer don't care about baby crap, or hunter crap. It's the gas produced by the bacteria on the outside of our skin that spooks them. If you've ever followed my live hunts, you've seen literally dozens of photos of deer directly downwind, with me on the ground.

I was like you before I tried it. The first morning I used it, this buck came in from directly downwind, passing back and forth through my scent cone while circling the decoys. I don't get it, but I've had way too many deer and elk directly downwind when using it to not believe there is some effect, some way, somehow.

From: bowhunter55
26-Jul-14
My wife and I have used Nose Jammer religiously since it came on the market. I don't hunt without it! It really works. I can't count the number of times I've had deer downwind of me and going about there business like I wasn't there. Bucks,does,it doesn't matter. Most notable was a doe circling around my brush blind. She knew something was there and kept going downwind of me at 3 yards from me. She just couldn't smell me! Of course I couldn't shoot cause she was burning holes through me with her eyes!

From: RD
26-Jul-14
I've used it with mixed results. The first time the deer all looked my way and went the other. The other times the deer spooked and ran when they got downwind form it. I won't spend another r cent on it.

From: Doubleforky
26-Jul-14
kentuckbowhunter I also thought the same thing when I bought a can of it but I had good results with it.

From: Hehaka
26-Jul-14
Sorry, but I hope this stuff doesn't work. I'll be the first to admit I put a lot of effort into keeping my clothes and gear as scent free as possible, but using a chemical to plug up an animals nose just doesn't feel right.

Hunting without regard for the wind? Not sure that is even hunting....more like shooting fish from a barrel?

From: writer
26-Jul-14
Jaquomo,

I'm sure you've stated it in other threads, sorry, but would you please share how you apply and use Nose Jammer?

I was not impressed the first time, but would be glad to try it again, if you'll share.

I may have been doing something wrong, which seems to be what I'm best at.

From: drycreek
26-Jul-14
Well, I knew it wouldn't take long for somebody to bless one technological advantage and curse another. So explain why keeping yourself " scent free " , ( which is impossible ) is more ethical than using a cover scent. BTW, there was a thread about this last year, and I told y'all then that it works.....sometimes. You may not ever know when it doesn't, depending on how thick it is where you hunt. Sometimes the deer you spook , is the one you didn't see. See ?

From: midwest
26-Jul-14
Tried it after reading Jaq's results. Didn't seem to help me at all. Maybe I did something wrong or didn't use enough.

From: Hehaka
26-Jul-14
drycreek- Jumping to assumptions, eh? I said "effort" and "as possible" never said what I do......which is simply keep clothes in plastic bags with pine needles and jump in the creek daily. Pretty tech savvy, isn't it?

Keep it real. Keep the wind in your face.

From: Jaquomo
26-Jul-14
Can't have one objective thread discussion without some self-righteous judgmentalism jumping in, can we?

Hehaka, do you hunt with a compound bow? Modern laminated stickbow? Synthetic clothes? Drive a fuel-injected truck to your hunts? Let's keep it real, my friend. You're not the second-coming of Ishi, who, by the way, used a decoy hat on his head to fool deer. You use pine as a cover scent, I choose to use vanilla. Both natural. Neither will get you through the Pearly Gates of hunting superiority. I want to see you jump in a creek in the morning when it's 10 degrees outside, Mr. Natural..

Writer, since I hunt on the ground with NATURAL blinds made of native materials (for you, Hehaka) I spray some on a branch or log on either side and a stripe behind me. Other very accomplished bowhunters who hunt from trees have had good luck with spraying some at ground level and above. It's not a silver bullet, but I've had enough positive experiences to believe there's something going on. Or maybe I just smell good naturally after a few days without a shower?

26-Jul-14
I have read all the posts and not learned one darned thing.....guess I'll just save my $ and hunt the wind!

26-Jul-14
There is really nothing that can PROVE a scent eliminating produce is working because down wind is not always putting a deers nose in the scent stream. Sometimes there are thermals and drafts that take the scent upward. There are deer that at times don't spook at human scent. I have left the stinking papermill sweaty and stinky and had deer directly downwind. It was obvious the scent stream had to be carrying the scent up and over the deer. Had I been wearing scent eliminated on those days I would have thought it worked. Statistics show overwhelmingly that the time spent spraying down if spent that amount of time in the stand will kill you more deer than the spray. Deer upwind definantly can't smell you and some deer downwind can't either...reguardkess off what you do. One of the nation's best whitetail hunters says deer can't smell...he pays no attention to anything reguarding a deers nose. It does help that he hunts where there is high coal usage and coal dust is everywhere.

26-Jul-14
Wow TBM......only one typo!!

From: Hehaka
26-Jul-14
Jaq-

Been waiting for that.....how dare someone question the almighty Jaq himself!!

Save your defensive all natural assault for the birds- the point was I am very proactive in trying to keep my scent down, like many other I'm sure. When it's cold, I go inside and take a shower and thoroughly enjoy all the modern technologies of fire to boil water, my home, camper, or local hotel!

Taking away an animals ability to smell, by airborne chemicals, is cheating, my man. Like steroids in professional sports, put an * next it!

26-Jul-14
I just don't think it will work. I have seen bucks follow hours old scent trails of does through the woods exactly where the doe turned left or right. only a few molecules of her scent still coming off her tracks and they can smell it. I would have to see some testing on blood hounds following a trail before I would even consider buying it.

26-Jul-14
I also think the guys that make and sell nosejammer laugh their azz off everytime they get a royalty check in the mail. maybe I should give my wife a can so she wont suffer when I play covered wagons.

From: Jaquomo
26-Jul-14
Hehaka,I enjoy being challenged and engaging in good natured debate with knowledge bowhunters. I enjoy helping people through sharing of ideas and experiences. But I can't help you with your problems. That's above my pay grade.

From: Doubleforky
26-Jul-14
My opinion you can have your clothes scent free as possible it is your body that puts out natural odor that alarm deer you can go sit in a tree naked and a deer is going to smell you.

From: Stekewood
26-Jul-14
Appreciate your insight on this Jaquomo. I'm a total skeptic of pretty much all the scent control/elimination products but your experiences have piqued my curiosity about this one.

From: writer
26-Jul-14
Thanks, Jaq, how dedicated are you to scent control in other ways, please?

Again, just trying to learn.

Hey, if TBE can type a block of text that clean surely I can learn something!

From: razorhead
26-Jul-14
Actually, what puts out the most odor, is all the bacteria, in your mouth...........

But what do I know......

From: Jaquomo
26-Jul-14
Razorhead is right - the millions of bacteria in your mouth and on your skin are gas-producing machines.

I'm still not convinced it works. Only sharing my experiences. I sometimes hunt 10-14 days in a row, from a camp or small trailer, and sometimes can't take a shower for several days unless I go to a rancher's house. In that case, I wipe myself down with an HS Scent towel every day, not for scent control but just to feel better. I try to wear as scent-free clothes as possible, but I wear my outers for many days at a time and hang them out to air dry during the day if I come back to camp.

If possible during early season, I take some sort of shower every day with green soap, but can't do that in November and December.

I brush my teeth three times a day with Biotene, scrape my tongue twice a day, and rinse with Biotene liquid.

When hunting from the trailer I cook at night and make coffee in the mornings and my clothes are likely permeated with those smells.

I hunt on the ground, and always try to work the wind. But with as much calling, rattling, and decoying as I do, deer are likely to come from anywhere. what is amazing to me is when a buck circles downwind, my wind powder is going right to him, and he acts like nothing is wrong. This has happened so often with the Nose Jammer since I started using it that I'm convinced something must be up, just don't know what. I've now had it work with muleys, whitetails, and elk. I don't know. I just call it like I see it. I'm certainly not anal about my scent control.

For an interesting read, follow Field and Stream's blind scent test experiments they do with various types of scent control and a drug sniffing dog. To my knowledge they haven't used Nose Jammer yet because they focus on scent control, not cover scent. In the current issue, the drug sniffing dog took 3-4 times as long to identify the box with the guy with an Ozonics contraption than with the other things they tested, from street clothes to head-to-toe baking soda coating. Even the guy with the ozone-treated clothes but no ozone machine fooled the dog for 42 seconds. I still think Ozonics may be a load of ..., but the dog's handler was stunned by the results of this testing.

From: Jaquomo
26-Jul-14
Forgot to mention that my base layers are all silver of different brands (on sale), which I do believe is a bacteria inhibitor.

From: drycreek
26-Jul-14
Hehaka. Cheating ? I expect the game would say it's ALL cheating, unless you wrestle them to the ground and bite 'em in the jugular !

From: Jaquomo
26-Jul-14
Hehaka- chemicals? Really? You impregnate your clothes with turpentine and have a problem with vanilla?

Really? Thanks for the laugh on a nice Saturday night in the mountains!!

From: Hehaka
27-Jul-14
Jaq- replace chemicals with product.....still cheating. You are the laugh, sir.....thought you were a bowhunter. I have read multiple threads, here and other places, that you yourself talk about the importance of wind and thermals. If I recall correctly, you have repeatedly brought up a favorite honey hole that got ruined because others insisted on hunting mid-day, with unpredictable thermals, and ran elk out.....to bad they didn't have the ol' nose jammer, huh?

What's next? We come up with something that makes you invisible? It's suppose to be hunting, not shooting.

Save your money, pick up a gun or go shoot some critters in a pen that actually come running when they smell you.

From: Jaquomo
27-Jul-14
Wow.

I've lost all respect because I sometimes use vanilla instead of turpentine.

Wow. What have we come to?

From: dg72A
27-Jul-14
Doubleforky hit the nail on the head, the next big buck to come in to my stand, I`m gonna take all my clothes off so that I`m buck naked, and he`ll probably die laughing.... lol

27-Jul-14
A couple of years ago I bought a can. Guess I'll give it a try this year:) Thanks to Jac and others for your perspective after using. I value your proven experience in downing big animals every year! It's always about the details! Good luck all! C

PS: Nose Jammer? Great marketing name! One thing to check out is the science behind the marketing??? Anybody look into that??

From: skullz
27-Jul-14
Was way skeptical of anything like that.... A buddy sweetie by it so I bought a can on sale and only has one opportunity to really use it but two big dies came in about 40 yards straight downwind to within 3 yards and I whacked the first one. I'm a believer!

From: APauls
27-Jul-14
Wow Hehaka - I can't imagine what you'd call guys that use the ozonator or whatever the heck those things are called!!

You're right Jaq probably isn't much of a hunter. I bet he hardly killed anything before this stuff came on the market like what 2 years ago?

From: LBshooter
28-Jul-14
When you spray this stuff and get a good whiff that's all your going to smell for the day. It's sort of like skunk odor, once you smell it it stays with you. This does the same thing once it's in the nostrils it stays and it mask other scent and confuses the deer, for six bucks it's worth a try.

From: TradbowBob
28-Jul-14
Here's a review from Outdoor Life.

With an almost endless supply of scent elimination products, cover scents, and attractants available today, we've basically seen it all. One manufacturer, however, has a new twist on the scent game. Fairchase Products has developed a brand new scent category called Jamming with the introduction of Nose Jammer -- an olfactory nerve overload system.

Nose Jammer is not an attractant and not a cover scent. Nose Jammer uses a mixture vanillin and other organic compounds that effectively jam, or overload, a big game animal's sense of smell. When the brain is trying to process more odor sensory information than it is capable of, the signal shuts off and will not restart until it has had time to cool off.

Just like an overly bright light can wash out a photographic image, Nose Jammer overwhelms the olfactory system and overpowers an animal's ability to detect and track human scent. Best of all, it does so without alarming the animal to danger.

The company claims that big game animals relax with the smell of Nose Jammer as it’s formula’s main ingredient, Vanillin, can be found in their natural habitat mainly in trees and shrubs. Vanillin is a wood by-product and is present in a wide variety of tree species found throughout North America, including Conifers, Oaks and Maple trees to name a few. The key is taking these natural compounds and delivering them at concentrated levels to overwhelm the sense of smell.

Fairchase Products also claims that studies have shown Vanillin reduces the startle-reflex in both humans and animals. This increases the effectiveness of Nose Jammer as it not only has the ability to overload a big game animal’s sense of smell, but it actually calms the animal’s startle-reflex and that’s a deadly combination.

According to founder and president of Fairchase Products, John Redmond, "Making yourself invisible to big game is your number one priority when hunting, but not by covering up your scent or trying to smell like a deer. The basic principle behind Nose Jammer is to blend in with the big game's environment by using compounds that are found in the trees and shrubs that they live in every day."

Depending on how and what you hunt, Nose Jammer is used differently. But, typically, you spray your boots on the way to your stand, then a dash at the base of the tree, spray the tree for 5 seconds when you are standing in it, and that will attach the jammer and create a cloud. When game animals get downwind, Nose Jammer is the first thing that touches their nose. When on a spot and stalk, spray your clothes and boots.

Nose Jammer comes in either a 6 oz. or a 2 oz. aerosol can making it easy to carry in any pack or pocket.

TBB

From: jtek
28-Jul-14
I had great success with it last year. Basically never got busted all season. But I am a scent free nut to begin with so that may play a big part. You can't eat spicy smelly food all fall or not stay extrememly clean and expect Nose Jammer to mask all of that on your breath, your skin and coming out of your pours.

From: boothill
28-Jul-14
I used some late last season and had several does downwind and they seemed to smell the air but not blow out. They just smelled and then moved off at a normal pace. I think it works and will use it again this season.

From: APauls
28-Jul-14
I expect Nose Jammer sales to go up.

From: longbeard
28-Jul-14
I have no idea if this product works, but what strikes me as hilarious is that some of the same guys that would flame you for bringing up products like ScentLoc are on here with an open mind regarding this product...

From: snapcrackpop
28-Jul-14
Remember when Thermacell first came out? Too good to be true... right? NOPE.

From: Reflex
28-Jul-14
I bought a can last year and didn't have what I would call a "positive" result. I always try and play the wind, but I really wanted to hunt a particular stand with an "iffy" wind during the rut. I sprayed the can as directed and an hour later got busted by two does coming down the trail. I felt wind hitting my face, so I didn't think they winded me at first. I pulled out some milkweed and let go of the fibers and sure enough, the wind was hitting the small hill behind me and swirling back right to where they were. I tried it again a couple of weeks later and got busted as well. I did have experiences where deer didn't bust me after I applied the product, but to my knowledge, the wind also was not going in their direction.

From: ELKDIY
28-Jul-14
A buddy tried it last fall for Elk and Mule Deer. He sprayed it on pretty good. In his opinion it didn't seem to help. IMO I steer away from the cover up sprays. Elk are going to smell through it all. Wind will give you up most of the time. Use the wind, breezes and thermals to your advantage.

From: Medicinemann
28-Jul-14
TBB,

Thanks for the informative post.....learned something new about vanillin....

From: Jaquomo
28-Jul-14
The difference with ScentLoc is that it's been scientifically proven to not work, upheld in court when challenged. Charcoal can only adsorb so much before it becomes saturated. Now, if you had a fresh charcoal suit to wear every time out, it might help.

+2 Thanks TBB

From: nehunter
28-Jul-14
If this works as described above by TBB, then why don't drug traffickers use this when transporting illegal drugs? I was told by a K9 Cop that when he was going through training he learned a lot about what animals can and cant smell.

If you cover a banana with peanut butter all the human will smell is the strong odor of peanuts. The dogs smell both.

If this formula turns or screw up the dogs senses then maybe they have something!

From: LBshooter
28-Jul-14
Well I would suggest you spend six bucks and you be the judge. The times that I have used it it certainly did not spook deer and I on purpose set upwind of where they came out and mature die did not sppok. Proof is in the pudding give it a try.

From: JB
28-Jul-14
My daughter brought some to rifle camp (sorry but it is relevant to this thread) and I heckled her a bit about the latest gimmick. Good natured ribbing because we all try to come up with something new. Second day of her hunt she has 3 deer come in real close. She drops a nice doe. Within minutes, 4 more deer come in real close and she drops a buck. We are now tagged out and before she can climb down from her stand she has 3 more deer come in and stand around within 20 yards of her.

Not sure if it was the Nose Jammer, but it obviously didn't hurt. She definitely got the last laugh!

From: Hehaka
29-Jul-14
APauls- I am aware of Jaq's accomplishments. Honestly have always enjoyed his input, tales, and occasional rants. Wear what you want, use whatever calls you want, shoot bows with training wheels or pretend to be an indian....fine, but promote taking away an animals ability to smell and you are straight-up cheating.

Ozonics, Nose Jammer, or the next big thing....doesn't matter, it's a joke. It's not a matter of if they really work, they eventually will do just what the product name says- jamb up a animals nose. Anyone ok with it or using it is about shooting, not hunting.

From: Jaquomo
29-Jul-14
I'll be sure to note on future hero pics whether turpentine (crushed pine needles), ponderosa pine bark vanillin, sage, rabbit brush, elk pee or any other naturally-occurring substance was used in the taking of the animal.

I suggest everyone do this, now that it has become an issue, and to clear up any confusion over the legitimacy of the kill.

From: nehunter
29-Jul-14
Sorry archery95, I didn't know you stayed at a "Holiday Inn" last night.

I'm not going to argue here, but get your facts on K9 dogs before you type.

From: M.Pauls
29-Jul-14
I wonder if drug smugglers are going to start hosing down their suit cases with nose jammer?

From: No Mercy
29-Jul-14
I have experienced inexplicable results too. It's crazy! Sorry-I'm gonna join the group of "failure" hunters who choose a small advantage over our prey, but I'll eat good!

From: toehead
29-Jul-14
I just bought a can today based on this thread.

From: JB
29-Jul-14
Sorry. I cheat. I use scents. I didn't make my bow. Didn't chip my arrowheads. And I use lighted nocs too. Wait? Wasn't this thread started to see if people thought Nose Jammer works? Somebody needs to start their own thread about his belief that scents are cheating.

From: Pete
30-Jul-14
Here is some more anecdotal evidence that this stuff may actually work. For those sceptics that have a can of Nose Jammer around, take it outside spray some on a tree, or other surface, take a whiff of it, then walk away. what do you smell, after you walk away up wind of where you sprayed? Although, our olfactory sense is nowhere near as keen as a deer's nose, all your gonna smell is the Nose Jammer. It's not going to mask the odor of cigarette smoke or garlic breath, :) but it does mess with your sense of smell, without a doubt.

From: drycreek
30-Jul-14
" somebody needs to start their own thread about his belief that scents are cheating ". Naaah, I just love those that parse what technology they are willing to use. This is ok, that is not ok. Must make one feel omnipotent to know exactly where that line is.....for others.

From: Jack Harris
30-Jul-14

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This is always an option...

From: RIT
04-Oct-20
Pretty good read thanks guys.

04-Oct-20
Hard to believe that it's been over 6 years since Lou dropped "_feral."

From: GF
04-Oct-20
I couldn't help but get a laugh out o' this, though...

"Fairchase Products has developed a brand new scent category called Jamming with the introduction of Nose Jammer -- an olfactory nerve overload system.

Nose Jammer is not an attractant and not a cover scent. Nose Jammer uses a mixture vanillin and other organic compounds that effectively jam, or overload, a big game animal's sense of smell. When the brain is trying to process more odor sensory information than it is capable of, the signal shuts off and will not restart until it has had time to cool off.

"Just like an overly bright light can wash out a photographic image, Nose Jammer overwhelms the olfactory system and overpowers an animal's ability to detect and track human scent. Best of all, it does so without alarming the animal to danger."

And then it goes on to state that they think this stuff actually detunes their startle response.

And the name of the company is "Fair Chase Products".... Sorry, not sorry - that's funny no matter WHO ya are! A deer has a brain the size of a large fist, and a huge chunk of it is dedicated to processing scent..., and that's "Fair Chase". LMAO How much help do we really need???

Just read that description (which appears to have come straight from the manufacturer): "Just like an overly bright light can wash out a photographic image, Nose Jammer overwhelms the olfactory system and overpowers an animal's ability to detect and track human scent. "

An "overly bright light".... You mean like the ones that jacklighters use, perhaps?

Truthfully, what bothers me about this stuff - if it works as advertised - is the notion that it crashes the whole olfactory system. So it doesn't just prevent the animals from smelling YOU, it keeps them from smelling ANYTHING, even after they've walked on past you and (potentially) into striking distance of another hunter or predator. JMO, it's one thing to fool them and escape detection; but actually inflicting a physical handicap - even temporarily...

So is it cheating? Again, IF it works as advertised, I'm leaning toward a hard Yes. Actually, I'd probably classify it as a chemical weapon - but don't ask me... Hell, I think food plots are pretty close to cheating, so you can probably guess where I come down on a whole bunch of stuff... But it's not like I don't own a climber. And when I do use it, it's because I'm on a mission to fill a tag, so I set it up in a bottleneck that's so tight that I call it the Fish Barrel. I haven't been able to hunt that property every year, but since 1998, think I've sat there ONE time when I didn't kill a deer.

I can't honestly tell myself that THAT is not cheating... but when the freezer is empty I do it anyway. Even an Ivory Girl is only 99 and 44/100ths % Pure.

04-Oct-20
It works when the scent is rising and actually goes over their nose, give false impression to the hunter. No it does not work when the scent is actually at nose level, which is most of the time. Conclusion, appears to work at times, but in reality does not. Long before nose jammer, the occasional buck would come into the wind and get killed, I have done it a few times. Those are times scent is rising and going above their nose.

Always fun to watch wood smoke from chimneys, on cold days it goes straight up, on heavy damp days it will fill the valley, and then there is everything in between.

From: greg simon
04-Oct-20
^^^Right there!!! In a nutshell. Why everything “works” sometimes in the world of scent elimination.

From: Milhouse
04-Oct-20
I would say this..... if you wanted to see if it really "works" or not, hunt from the ground, rather than a treestand. That would probably be as objective as it gets. I've gotten away with many deer downwind of me in a treestand, and I would have to say it's because I cannot "see" exactly what my scent is doing... I know what general direction it's going, but I don't know how far it's going before it gets to deer nose level, and if it's still something they would consider a threat at that point.

Sit on the ground and try it. Because there is little to no room for error then. It's a completely different ballgame. A deer downwind of you on the ground is going the other way, in haste, if Nose Jammer doesn't do what it says it does. My $.02.

From: petedrummond
04-Oct-20

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I used to use ozonics and it worked but was a pain to use. Now all I use is nose jammer from an 8 foot stand with open windows the last two nights I have had over thirty deer mill around and want busted even at less than 10 yards.

From: bigswivle
04-Oct-20
I love it

From: petedrummond
04-Oct-20

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From: Milhouse
04-Oct-20
For the record..... I have used it, and I will say, it certainly doesn't hurt anything. Whether it "works" or not.... I personally haven't seen enough evidence either way, so I will continue to use it.

From: Dale06
04-Oct-20
I have not tried Nose Jammer but expect it works exceptionally well for the manufacturer and retailers, in terms of cash flow. I try to remain as scent free as possible and am of the opinion that if a deer or elk gets down wind in your scent stream, he will smell you. If nose jammer works for you, go for it.

04-Oct-20
I was incredibly skeptical when I bought it but was amazed at its productivity

From: APauls
04-Oct-20

From: Huntcell
04-Oct-20
To be quite honest , I have always said and let me be perfectly clear without hesitation, the facts speak for themselves, otherwise what’s the point.

Come on Man!

From: Supernaut
04-Oct-20
I'm trying it for the first time this season in PA. The deer I hunt get a lot of pressure and are pretty wise, even the young ones. I've had a boss doe down wind of me on 4 different occasions and so far the Nose Jammer seems to work. I do try to be as careful as I can about my scent and playing the wind for my set ups.

From: Jaquomo
04-Oct-20
Funny that some skeptics of tangible products you can see, smell, touch, have a strong belief in God, even though he-she-it can't be seen, felt, heard, smelled, or otherwise proven to actually exist...... Pray for a deer and one comes by, so God must have sent it. Pray to make the shot and you miss, God must have willed it.

From: Jaquomo
04-Oct-20
Nope, I'm a believer in God and Nose Jammer. You're projecting something to rationalize your beliefs. But I don't believe God has an opinion one way or the other about sporting events or hunting and fishing, and there is no provable, tangible evidence anywhere that God even exists, except in the minds of those who believe. Now, which "God" of all worldwide belief systems is the right God is subject for the CF. BTW, read the comments in every Nose Jammer thread. Most simply believe it won't work for no other reason than they believe it won't work, without having ever experienced it, yet they diss those who do believe. Sorta like atheists and Christians.

From: Scoot
04-Oct-20
Jaq is mostly right, but wrong in one important way-- it's simply a fact that God hates the Packers.

From: cnelk
04-Oct-20
Last time I bowhunted public land in Nebraska I used Nose Jammer.

I sprayed in on my boots/pant cuffs before I walked in to my stand.

About an hour after daylight a little basket rack buck followed my exact path to my stand.

That doesn’t happen on Nebraska public land without Nose Jammer.

From: petedrummond
04-Oct-20

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This is the stand I took the above pictures from Friday night. It’s in an open two acre clover field right in the middle. Obviously I always have deer on all sides. I guess seeing still isn’t believing for some of you. I use the wax stick and put more on my cap every hour.

From: GF
04-Oct-20
FWIW, I would expect that we’d all agree that wind does a lot of crazy stuff that you would never expect, which can lead to getting busted by animals where you’d never expect it just as well as leading to NOT getting busted by animals that approach from “dead down-wind”.

So personally, I don’t think you could prove that it works unless you could actually see EXACTLY what the wind was doing...

And I don’t think you need to have used it to have a thoughtful opinion on whether using a product which DID completely deprive an animal of its primary defense would really constitute Fair Chase, which is all about providing the animal with every reasonable opportunity to escape. You know - you screw up, and the animal wins.

No, strictly speaking, Fair Chase is not legally required. It sure would be interesting, though, if P&Y were to require a sworn statement that no such products were used in the taking of an animal in order for it to qualify for The Book.

I just have to wonder....

If I were to take a really nice animal and I felt like I could honestly tell you that I couldn’t have gotten him without having used Product X.... Then what have I accomplished?

From: Supernaut
04-Oct-20
I wasn't troubled by ethical dilemmas when I used fox piss for cover scent when I was a kid in the early 80's and I sure won't be troubled using Nose Jammer now, smells a lot better than the fox piss too. I don't think a product has ever been sold that will eliminate an animals sense(s). Scent lock, Hecs, Nose Jammer, Ozonics, digital camo, etc, etc none of them. Use what's legal and makes you more confident and let others do the same.

And FWIW, the only "book" I care about that is hunting related is my book of pics.

From: woodguy65
04-Oct-20
Pete nice set up!

GF you are a bit of a whack - a- doodle aren't you...

From: GF
04-Oct-20
No, but sometimes I do wonder what it’s all about.

Some guys just for the meat, others it’s mostly about the antlers and the prestige that comes with big trophies or entries in a book.

I LOVE the meat and I admire the antlers but at the end of the day, the number one reason I hunt is to solve the puzzle and get better at it. The more Stuff I use to close the deal, the less I have probably learned in the process, so sometimes I wonder what’s the point?

And then I see that empty freezer staring back at me. ;)

From: WVFarrier
05-Oct-20

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For me, ive found it works on young deer and bear but the more mature critters steer clear of it.

05-Oct-20
It works well enough that the owner has purchased and manages 4,000 continuous acres for QDMA. Capitalism, marketing and sales..

From: APauls
05-Oct-20
LOL GF.

Have you ever used any cover scent of any kind? Skunk scent? Fox piss? Nose Jammer is just a cover scent that actually seems to have reasonable success. There is no doubt whatsoever it does not make you invisible. You can't spray nose jammer and suddenly you'll never be winded.

BUT, and here is the BUT it does seem like when you use Nose Jammer there are times when a deer hits your wind, goes alert, and then acts confused. Sometimes that deer will end up walking away, sometimes keep doing what they were doing, yet in a sort of confused attitude. The more mature animals still don't like it, and leave, but not in an "instant bolt" sort of going inside out getting out of dodge scenario. On a mature buck, this may still get you a shot, where he may have otherwise bolted. In a field/feeding scenario sometimes deer stick around. That, is what I am calling success.

From: ki-ke
05-Oct-20
Based on Charlie’s assessment, I say nose jammer works amazingly well!

From: GF
05-Oct-20
Hope springs eternal....

From: wkochevar
06-Oct-20
From your experience (first time last season), what's the shelf life of this stuff? I have about 3/4 of a can left from last year....is it still good or does it need to be a new supply? Thx, Kip

From: Bake
06-Oct-20
I'm a big sceptic of any scent stuff. I don't even wash my clothes in anything special anymore. Frankly, I don't know why a deer would be afraid of Tide Spring Fresh. . . . I figure it's MY scent that is the problem.

However, after seeing Jaquomo post some positive experiences, who is a person I've hunted with and respect, I decided to try it.

I will say, 60% of the time, it works EVERY time :)

I've had enough interactions with it, that I use it quite a little bit. I had a bear on the ground at 11 yards with his nose in the air in a swirling wind that knew something wasn't right, but couldn't put his nose on it, so to speak. He finally decided he didn't like it, and left, but it was not a big noisy exit

I've had multiple deer, mature and young both, stand downwind with their noses in the air. Some of them still spook. Some don't.

It does seem that when deer spook at it, they tend to do so in much less of a dramatic fashion. Usually they just move quickly off. Instead of a snort and a death sprint to get away.

In the time I've been using it, I've probably watched 150 deer react to it in some way. And it's been positive enough that I will continue to use it.

I'm not an idiot either. I know that a deer can appear to be directly downwind, and my scent could go right over the top of it. But I can SEE deer smell it. When they stop and put their nose to the sky repeatedly, it's obvious they are smelling something. Those are the 150 deer I mentioned. I've also seen probably 100+ deer that never reacted at all, and went through downwind with no noticeable reaction.

I don't really count those deer, because the wind might have been over them. . .

As far as fair chase. . . . give me a damn break. Seriously?! Some people take this way too seriously.

You ever notice that those people who talk about "why" they hunt, are usually the same ones that think every one should hunt for the same reasons? They're usually the ones that think it's their way or the highway. Hypocrites

I hunt for me, and could give a damn why anyone else hunts. . .

From: BowSniper
06-Oct-20
I was a skeptic on the product concept, until I finally tried it myself. In a concealed blind it works fantastic! Deer do notice the smell and look over, and maybe some get a little nervous, but they can't seem to pick up the human scent even when winds are blowing directly towards them. Amazing!

Downside is that the deer do pick it up and their eyes follow their nose. I would not use it in a climber or ladder. But I am now a 100% believer for using nose jammer in every trip to the ground blind!

From: writer
06-Oct-20
I still have had zero success with it, but keep trying as per Jaq’s experiences. 100-percent believe what he’s written since the first time I read it. Failed me again last week with a wind swirl, not even deer downwind in a steady wind.

From: Jaquomo
06-Oct-20
Michael, maybe you're one of those special people with a "distinct" odor that even Nose Jammer won't help! ;-) Though I don't recall you smelling any differently than any other middle-aged man...

From: LINK
06-Oct-20
I had this thought this year while elk hunting. Anyone that’s been into elk knows how strong and awesomely offensive their smell is. Well reverse roles and imagine what the elk/ deer smells. With a sense of smell multiple times better than ours I don’t imagine there’s anything to cover or mask the smell of a human. Kinda like a room full off 8 graders straight out of PE class. Sure all the cologne smells nice but the BO is easily deciphered by a human nose.

From: ki-ke
06-Oct-20
"Sure all the cologne smells nice but the BO is easily deciphered by a human nose"

Kinda like spraying Potpurri scented air spray after taking a nasty, greasy steamer in the powder room at your future inlaws house and believing you're good, when actually, it smells like someone took a dump under a rose bush.....HAHA!!!

From: LINK
06-Oct-20
Exactly Steve.

From: TOP PIN
06-Oct-20
I have never used it but know guys who have ... they claim that it works more than 50% of the time. With that being said their theory is if this product increases their chance of the buck / bull or whatever from smelling them then why not use it !! It doesn’t guarantee meat in the freezer but that is their testament. Using any type of scent eliminator doesn’t make you any less or more of a hunter.

From: Wild Bill
06-Oct-20
I didn't have time to read the whole thread, but it did remind me that Dan Fitzgerald sold a product he called NillaKilla, many many many years ago.

When I used vanilla, it alerted deer to the fact that something unnatural was upwind.

What does work is Lavilin, which use to be sold by Screaming Eagle as Pit Stop. Best prices are on ebay, from Israel. Not just for hunting.

From: DConcrete
06-Oct-20
What the people Who talk about cover scents are missing is this: it isn’t a traditional cover scent. It actually overloads their sensory function so they CANNOT smell you because their senses can’t take on anymore. It isn’t about cologne and gym shorts and stinky people. There’s a legitimate science behind it.

From: GF
06-Oct-20
Having just dropped my kid off at his youth group and getting totally blinded by some highbeams on my way home…

I swear I’m still seeing spots!

I guess I wish I knew more about olfaction. I know we have three kinds of color receptors in our eyeballs, for red, green, and blue. Plus black and white.

And I know that we have about a half dozen different types of receptors on our taste buds; sweet, sour, salt, bitter and Umame. I guess that’s five, so maybe I missed one? I’m not sure if that’s the same as Savory or not.

So here’s what that would come down to… You can overload someone’s eyeballs entirely with a blinding white flash bulb, because that overloads every type of receptor. But we’ve all done the optical illusions where are you stare at a red piece of paper for a couple minutes, look at a blank white wall, and you see a green rectangle. The white wall is reflecting all of the different colors/wavelengths, but your red receptors are washed out so only the green remains....

I don’t have the first notion about how many different types of scent receptors a deer would have up its nose, but it seems like it would take a pretty interesting concoction to overwhelm every single type of receptor at once. Must be some kind of an olfactory train wreck!

I do know that what gets us busted is the capric acid (as in Capricorn), and I don’t know about you guys but if I go a couple days without a shower I don’t exactly smell like vanilla…

I would think, though, that the scent of this stuff would have to be insanely strong at the point source in order to do what it’s supposed to do, and I just don’t follow how the whole thing must work.

From: GF
06-Oct-20
Having just dropped my kid off at his youth group and getting totally blinded by some highbeams on my way home…

I swear I’m still seeing spots!

I guess I wish I knew more about olfaction. I know we have three kinds of color receptors in our eyeballs, for red, green, and blue. Plus black and white.

And I know that we have about a half dozen different types of receptors on our taste buds; sweet, sour, salt, bitter and Umame. I guess that’s five, so maybe I missed one? I’m not sure if that’s the same as Savory or not.

So here’s what that would come down to… You can overload someone’s eyeballs entirely with a blinding white flash bulb, because that overloads every type of receptor. But we’ve all done the optical illusions where are you stare at a red piece of paper for a couple minutes, look at a blank white wall, and you see a green rectangle. The white wall is reflecting all of the different colors/wavelengths, but your red receptors are washed out so only the green remains....

I don’t have the first notion about how many different types of scent receptors a deer would have up its nose, but it seems like it would take a pretty interesting concoction to overwhelm every single type of receptor at once. Must be some kind of an olfactory train wreck!

I do know that what gets us busted is the capric acid (as in Capricorn), and I don’t know about you guys but if I go a couple days without a shower I don’t exactly smell like vanilla…

I would think, though, that the scent of this stuff would have to be insanely strong at the point source in order to do what it’s supposed to do, and I just don’t follow how the whole thing must work.

From: Jaquomo
06-Oct-20
I've had great results with it on late season muley hunts when I haven't had a shower for a week and basically wearing the same outer layers. I don't know why it works sometimes, but when they hit my scent cone when I'm on the ground, put their nose in the air, wave it around, then go on about their business, there is something going on. Whatever that is, I'll leave up to the physiologists.

From: Milhouse
06-Oct-20
I got busted last night, and was covered up in Nose Jammer. Doe with fawns came in behind me, and I was sitting 20 yards from a gravel road. Never expected a deer to get behind me, in that situation, but, deer being deer.... I wasn't surprised.

Anyway, she blew at me like crazy for a minute, then went about her business. Like, led her fawns in front of me a few minutes later.... so, I have to ask, what gives? Did I get busted? Or was she smelling the Nose Jammer and confused and frustrated, because she couldn't sort it all out? I've never had a doe blow at me, then forget about it and lead her fawns upwind of me, like it never happened. Weird. Obviously it eventually worked in my favor, although I'd have preferred her not alerting every other deer for 500 yards something wasn't "right".....

From: GF
06-Oct-20
Actually, the fact that she blew at you “for a minute” and then forgot you were even there....

Kinda lends some credence to the claim....

Guess I’ll go scratch my noggin for a bit over that one.

From: GF
06-Oct-20
And FWIW, Lou - I don’t doubt that you saw what you saw... I just am not quite ready to take it all in ;)

Was that the hunt where your blind was an abandoned cabin?

From: Ermine
06-Oct-20
Would it work in a spot and stalk situation?

From: Jaquomo
07-Oct-20
GF, I've seen what I've seen over and over and over since the stuff came out, for years. Not just once . Hiding behind logs, behind bushes, hiding in ditches, behind rocks, wherever. Photos of close-up deer and elk are on my live hunt threads. Hey, I'm not trying to convince anybody, because I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm not associated with Nose Jammer company in any way. Just cracks me up how many people draw conclusions about the effectiveness or ethics with no experience at all.

Justin, hard to say because there are so many variables involved with spot-stalk besides scent. I do know that Dwight Schuh wrote that he sprayed his pack down with it on stalks. He has just a little credibility.

From: c5ken
07-Oct-20
I tested it several times..... Failed every time!

From: Supernaut
07-Oct-20
Pick some up and try it for yourself and then you can draw your own conclusions, at $12-$15 I don't think it will break anyone's bank. Internet forums serve their purpose but nothing beats real world experience.

From: Teeton
07-Oct-20
I do everything i can to try to keep my scent down., hunting stand that are dictated by winds. Even walking the long way aroud so as to not put scent in the wrong places.

After reading this post i ordered some, should be here Friday.

So after read this, are u guys putting it on ur self or on stuff around u?? I dont see why u could put it on ur self. Ed

From: petedrummond
07-Oct-20
Put wax on hat and on whatever clothes side of stand etc. wax stick is best and it’s quiet

From: Dale06
07-Oct-20
I’m not a believer in fooling a deers nose. But I expect Nose Jammer works great, for the sellers of it.

From: JayG@work
07-Oct-20
I have been using it for about 7 years and have had positive results for the most part with it. I don't know the science behind it, but I will continue using it because of the positive results. By the way, had 6 doe and fawns come in from down wind the other day and they didn't seem alerted at all. Pretty cool.

From: Jaquomo
07-Oct-20
I spray my outer and pack like Dwight Schuh did. When sitting natural ground blinds, as I do when calling/decoying muleys, I spray some on logs or rocks on either side of me.

From: Candor
08-Oct-20
It works - not every time but certainly sometimes.

If you see enough deer at close range you have confidence when you are observing a different types of reaction from an animal. I have seen a different type of reaction from a number of deer when they are smelling me/something when I am using NJ. The point above about it working on mainly immature animals may well be valid. Nothing is 100% impactful. My somewhat rational side of my brain says NJ works on enough of a percentage to be worth the effort of using it. I suspect the effectiveness declines for mature bucks. Just like they are generally more wary of everything. But I will continue to use it when I feel I am in a position of variable wind or having deer downwind - because I think it improves my odds a reasonable amount to justify the effort.

O3 generators may work - but that sort of crosses over the pain-in-the-ass line that I try to stay south of.... Also - using an electronic device to get close to a critter is outside of my comfort zone. This is a personal decision and I am not interested in debates on it.

From: txhunter58
08-Oct-20
“ So is it cheating? Again, IF it works as advertised, I'm leaning toward a hard Yes”

Funny where people decide to draw that line. Some people are fine with compound bows with all the latest gadgets, but a crossbow is cheating. Some people are ok with with a “smart scope” to shoot game at 800 yards, but draw the line at using an eBike. And some people are ok with using skunk scent as a cover but draw the line at a vanilla scent.

Is it cheating”. No. Just one more thing to consider that you can make the choice whether you want to use it.

From: GF
09-Oct-20
Don’t worry, Tex. I have too hard a time living up to my own standards to worry too much about the next guy.... But if you never question how or why you go about doing something which is important to you, it seems to me that it might be important for the wrong reasons.... Just a POV.

“ O3 generators may work - but that sort of crosses over the pain-in-the-ass line that I try to stay south of.... Also - using an electronic device to get close to a critter is outside of my comfort zone.”

Well put.

From: txhunter58
10-Oct-20
Good and Insightful thoughts

From: Teeton
10-Oct-20
Ok got my nose jammer. Interesting smell, just not what i thought. Was thinking more vanilla smell.

One more thing i ether miss in the above posts or you'''''s guys forgot to mention how sticky it is on ur clothes.

I expecting to see a lot of deer today or u guys lied to me. :)

From: M.Pauls
10-Oct-20
I’ve been using it, I believe since it came out. I first started using it in 2012 or 2013, not sure exactly when it’s inception was. I remember seeing a commercial and kinda chuckling but I gave it a shot and was pretty surprised at the first reaction. Guys that use it know. When it works successfully you can see it. And like Bake says, there’s some that don’t react, that’s not what I’m talking about, it’s the ones that clearly react and either nervously move on or accept it to some degree. I’ve had some come unglued that either don’t like it, or they caught my scent from something else I touched.

I will say I’ve noticed success rate of the product goes way up if I spray my boots walking in, couple times even if it’s a long walk, and I’ll randomly spray overhanging limbs close to my location moving in, spray the base of my tree, mid way up my tree and where I’m sitting in the tree. On my actual tree I’ll let the can go till it’s dripping on the bark. I think going overboard ensures the first thing they hit is the nose jammer. My guess is most of the bad encounters where they blew up, exactly like catching my natural scent, was because they did just that. Something swirled and my scent somewhere hit their nose BEFORE the nose jammer did. Like I say, these encounters are drastically reduced when I use the stuff like I stole it.

I get a kick out of the guys that say there’s no way to tell if it works. You telling me you can’t or haven’t read animals body language and watched them when they hit your scent?? I feel like comprehending if a deer is calm, nervous, confused or flat out scared is pretty basic stuff

From: Jaquomo
10-Oct-20
Watch for the season-ending markdowns at Wally World. I bought half dozen of the big cans last year for $5.00 each.

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20
Field and Stream proved scent products don't work. For every photo you guys post of a deer up close while wearing the stuff, I can post a similar photo of a deer just as close and I'm not wearing it.

https://www.fieldandstream.com/does-scent-control-work/

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20

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From: Jaquomo
10-Oct-20
That deer isn't very close. Maybe for a rifle hunter. Show us some downwind at 15 yards, when you're on the ground. And how do we know he's directly downwind with a descending thermal?

Field and Stream didn't test Nose Jammer. They tested "scent control" products. I read the study too. The animals still smell Nose Jammer. They just aren't alarmed and are sometimes curious.

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20
My "At It Again/Semi Live, Part II last year in KS had plenty of stalks and sits with encounters at 30 yards or less. Biggest buck I've brought home I shot on the ground at 40 yards and he was downwind. There was a hot doe involved and I could have smelled like anything and he wouldn't have cared.

From: Screwball
10-Oct-20
Well, I have used it for a couple years with solid results. Tonight my grandson and I were in a ground blind. Doe and fawn at 4 yards winds at our backs blowing right to them for an hour. Never bothered them at all. That has consistently been my results.

From: t-roy
10-Oct-20
You’ve convinced me with your irrefutable evidence, Thornton. I’m throwing my can of Nose Jammer in the trash.....Just as soon as it’s empty.

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20
15 feet. There were 6 bucks within 40 yards if me at this very minute. They had a doe pinned down and I waded right into the middle them. No scent lock gimmicks, very little wind, and the air was ice cold.

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20

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Same time, young buck over my shoulder in the black circle

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20

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Different buck, asleep in the tall johnson grass on a bed in the creek. He was asleep but woke up. 30-36 yards at eye level

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20

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Here's the buck at 15 feet. Not sure why bowsite posted a pic of a dude with horses?

From: petedrummond
10-Oct-20
Thornton you are one of those guys who don’t like sushi but never ate it. Hiawatha didn’t use it either.

From: Thornton
10-Oct-20
Atmospheric conditions like wind, temp, pressures, thermals, and deer hormones often affect the way they behave when confronted by human scent. I think most, if not all of these close encounters are due to the things I just mentioned rather than wearing any kind of scent control.

From: t-roy
10-Oct-20
Maybe the “dude with the horses” pic is representative of the horse$hit you’re shoveling out?

Have you ever actually tried it, Thornton? (NoseJammer, not the horse$hit)

From: Candor
10-Oct-20
It is okay if some folks do not want to try it or do not believe it does work. It is great to have variety and perspective. I love to debate but this is an unwinnable debate by either side.

Me to my wife: "We'll just have to agree to disagree" Her: "THAT'S CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE WRONG!" It makes me chuckle.

From: GF
10-Oct-20
I always tell my wife “I’m not gonna argue with you when we don’t disagree.”

That works about half the time. The other half (as I tell my boys), it’s not that she hasn’t said what she needs to say..., she’s just not done saying it yet....

So Thornton is what, like twelve??

From: bigswivle
11-Oct-20
So Thornton is what, like twelve??

More like 13

From: bigswivle
11-Oct-20
It’s worked this morning, lol. I’ve killed 4 hogs and seen 8 deer. Most of them down wind. It’s 80degrees and 100% humidity and I’m sweating like Obama in church.

11-Oct-20
I am on stand right now in MO. Had a doe at 70 yards hit my scent trail from walking in. She spooked and bounded off until she was down wind of me.

When she hit the NJ scent she stopped. She kept raising her nose to the air. After 10 minutes of this she started eating acorns. She then bedded about 50 yards away.

I guess it could be other variables, but it certainly seemed to work in this situation.

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20

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I'm 39. Hunted deer for the last 26 years. I prefer to stalk but have shot quite a few in a stand. I don't use corn piles, and I dont use gimmick scents. I suppose guys like t-Roy need every little bit of confidence builder they can get. Here's a young 8 point I got to within 36 yards of at my farm earlier this season

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20

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This buck came into the ravine downwind at the same level as me and ended up with 2 other bucks directly below me at 30 some yards

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20

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Ten yards and I'm I'm standing in the fork of a tree on this one. Cold and zero wind

From: t-roy
11-Oct-20
Are you really sure you want to compare wieners, Thornton??!!

From: Inshart
11-Oct-20
It's worked enough times for me that I'll continue to use it.

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20
I'm trying to recall if Thornton has ever posted anything helpful or positive during his tenure on the Bowsite. Seems like everything is related to his supreme awesomeness at killing whitetails on his farm.

Good for you, Thornton. Newsflash - nobody really cares what you think from your limited hunting experience.

From: petedrummond
11-Oct-20
Thornton standing in the fork of a tree when it’s cold........one leg or two?

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20

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Thornton, if you're going to super-zoom and crop photos to make the animals appear to be closer than they are - you know, to fit your narrative - at least get something besides your mom's old Brownie camera. I don't see any shots of deer at close range, downwind, with you on the ground. Most could be trail cam photos you collected.

Here's just one of hundreds, ground level, pocket point-shoot camera, 12 yards DIRECTLY downwind, and I hadn't had a shower in 6 days. Sprayed Nose Jammer on either side of the logs behind and in front of me. That was it.

From: GF
11-Oct-20
Yeah, Lou, but he IS giving you that same look I give my boys when they smell like THEY haven’t showered too recently....

Like he’s thinking “well there’s no way that a HUNTER would come out here smelling that bad, so it must be safe enough...”.

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20
Taking a photo of a buck at 30-40 yards is impossible without zoom. I had to zoom to show you that 9 point bedded in the hedge at 15 feet. The point is, deer sme in parts per million and it doesn't matter if he's 15 feet or 50 yards. I've followed your hunts and enjoy them. However, if I remember right, you hunt the mulie rut on a private ranch in Colorado. I have done that in the same area at the same time and discovered even the big ones to be dumb as cattle. I shot this big one with a rifle at 40 yards downwind on public. I was standing on the ground with my brother in law. There were 3 bucks following a young doe

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20

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This buck came in upwind, walked directly under my tree at about 12 feet, smelled me, looked up, and then walked downwind in a half circle, and I shot him. This buck wasn't dumb either, as I had seen him in the summer with the other 12 bucks, and he was very skittish

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20
So we disagreed that it works. I'm not making fun of you, but I am stating a product doesn't work other than maybe making deer curious. For some reason you became slanderous. I suggested that deer that aren't bothered by close encounters are actually a product of ideal atmospheric/rut conditions, and not Nose Jammer. You claim I can't prove this, but if you follow my hunts, I clearly do, and I'm not just sitting on a log hunting rut mulies with a picture of a very young, stupid buck to back me up.. In high school while hunting with a recurve, I had young bucks come close enough to spit on. Next, you say I zoom (which I do so you can see the buck in detail). I also hold my phone to a set of binocs to serve as a better lens. Next you say all my bucks were killed on my farm. In ten years I think I've only shot 4 out there. My two biggest were on public land, and the rest were on heavily hunted permissions that multiple other guys hunt on. I've decided I'll buy a better video camera this year and maybe a GoPro.

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20
Good for you. 30-40 yards out of a tree and upwind with a rising thermal isnt any trick.

Yes, I call and decoy muleys into point-blank range on the ground, before, during, and after the rut, on a private ranch (it's ALL private out there) that is hunted by others for three straight months and also heavily hunted and outfitted all around. It isn't a "preserve".

I also hunt other animals besides just deer. Our two biggest public land bulls, 353 and 366, both crossed our scent cone at close range with a descending thermal and paid no attention to us after we'd sprayed down with NJ.

Here's the thing, Thornton. This thread is a discussion about the effectiveness of Nose Jammer. You come on here and start pontificating, thumping your chest, and dissing other's experiences WITHOUT EVER HAVING TRIED IT. You have no credibility. None. Zippo. Congratulations on whatever it is you are to be congratulated for, and move on.

From: Bou'bound
11-Oct-20
Sometimes it works for some hunters on some deer and sometimes it does not work for some hunters on some deer. No need to judge people based on what they observed on n some days on some deer sometimes

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20
I threw in the tree stand pics because that's where most guys will be using these cover scents. On my semi live hunts, I stalk (not sit on a log) most of the time. As for my credibility, my hunters, friends, and family have used every scent control out there and consistently were/are busted by deer. I don't need to spend my hard earned dollars to buy something that has already been shown not to work. I simply said it "didn't work" and you about busted a gut, so I showed you 1MONTH of stalking pics not using is so you'd understand I'm not a treestand cornpiler. I'd say you have some serious insecurity problems for attacking me the way you did. I'd be glad to fill this page up with on the ground deer pics at 30 yards or less. 98% I didn't shoot.

From: petedrummond
11-Oct-20
Thornton you are the gift that keeps on giving.

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20
Thornton, you don't get it, never have. Your insecurity is out there for everyone to see. Every post you make on Bowsite is all about you and your awesomeness.

You have nothing to contribute to this thread except a display of arrogance. Once again, you claim something doesn't work with absolutely no experience to back it up. You're like a eunuch who has never had sex telling everyone that sex is no big deal, not worth the effort.

Move along and post something stupid on another thread about which you have no knowledge or experience.

From: Thunderhawk
11-Oct-20
So does Bakers imitation vanilla extract, at 99 cents

From: DConcrete
11-Oct-20

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I love old, Vintage photos

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20
If you attach your very being and success to an aerosolized spray, then attack others that state it doesn't work, you have some major problems.

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20
I never said I attached all my success to anything except my own skill. But if you continue to proclaim that something YOU HAVE NEVER TRIED doesn't work, with absolutely no examples, and that everyone posting successful experiences on this thread is an idiot by extension, then the problem is you, my friend. What other products and tools you've never used, don't work? Enlighten us, oh wise and broadly experienced one.

11-Oct-20
If I spray Nose Jammer on my arm pits, will I become invisible to women?

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-20
What if you are already invisible to women, will it reverse it?

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20
Women seem attracted to the scent, but spraying it directly at them works as well as pepper spray.

From: t-roy
11-Oct-20
I would think your magnetic personality should be be enough, Ike. You’re kinda like a walking HECS suit ;-)

From: sitO
11-Oct-20
Gonna need a theme song: Nose Jam on it and on it...and on and on and on it

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20

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Jaucomo. Why would I buy it when it's not needed? There are guys on here I trust that say it doesn't work on Ks whitetails. You said yourself deer smell our bacteria. The only place I know of free of bacteria is a surgical suite and even then, post-op infections are rampant. Here's one not zoomed in.

From: Boone
11-Oct-20
A few years ago I tried it on my 1st hunt of the year so gear was 100 percent scent free. Sprayed my boots and clothes walked to my stand and that evening a lone doe walked exactly where I did through the field and got about 50 yards down wind and blew and made enough noise I knew my night was over. Got home and through all my nose jammer in the trash

11-Oct-20
The one hunt I used NJ I had the most deer come from down wind all week. I had 14 deer mostly does and fawns and a couple bucks, keep coming right past me at 15 yards. Definitely worked that time.

From: GF
11-Oct-20
“ a lone doe walked exactly where I did through the field and got about 50 yards down wind and blew and made enough noise I knew my night was over. Got home and through all my nose jammer in the trash”

So you made The Cardinal Mistake and got busted and you threw it out because it’s not a fool-proof get outta jail free card?

One thing I’ve noticed is that everything seems to work for some people and nothing works for others, and I’m beginning to think that just MAYBE there is an operator-dependent component at play here..

From: Jaquomo
11-Oct-20
Thornton, animals smell the gas produced by the bacteria on the outside of our skin.

That photo looks like the deer is 100 yards away. So what? He's well inside your gun range.

I wouldn't use Nose Jammer either if I was primarily a rifle hunter like you. And I've killed plenty of trophy class animals before I started using it. I have no affiliation with the company or products. All I can tell you is that enough big-league bowhunters of animals all over the country, including Kansas, have enough success stories - and most of them have tried all sorts of scent-control products over their combined thousands of years of bowhunting - that there is either something to it or it is the biggest collective, coordinated hoax in hunting history.

Hunt however you want. Rifles, bazookas, no scent control, whatever. Just know that if you start dissing other more experienced and more successful BOWHUNTERS about something of which you have never used and know nothing about, you'll get blowback. At least Boone tried it once, even if he didn't use it correctly, but he has a real experience to share.

BTW, how about posting up some photos of your "stupid as cattle" bowkilled mature muleys? Would love to see them.

From: Thornton
11-Oct-20
Never shot a mulie with a bow, just super skittish whitetails. True, I've shot more than a few nice bucks past a quarter mile but I've also taken plenty up close with traditional archery and compounds. I average a few days a year rifle hunting and several months a year bow hunting. I'd be happy to go head to head with about anyone using a longbow. Comparing a rut mulie on a private ranch to mature whitetails is comparing apples to oranges.

From: Jaquomo
12-Oct-20
Well, at least you admit you know a whole lot about a lot of things you know bsolutely nothing about. That's admirable, I guess, in a strange way. Carry on.

How about posting up some photos of record-class animals you've taken on the ground with a longbow? That might help get you out of the hole you keep digging.....

From: Native Okie
12-Oct-20
I just use a Hecs and Scent Lok suit. I’ve flicked deers ears as they have walked by before. ;^)

TBH, Depends on several factors with regard to what you can get away with. For myself, I can get away with a lot more when I hunt my area in KS vs my area in Oklahoma. It’s not even close either.

12-Oct-20
I am going to buy some today, and use it.... I have never tried it.

From: Brotsky
12-Oct-20
This thread encapsulates why I spend very little time here anymore. SMH. Good luck this season fellas, whatever you decide to use. I like to smell cinnamon rolls in my stand and not day old chili farts. Don’t care if it works on deer or not. :)

From: Teeton
12-Oct-20
2X on what Brotsky said. I see the same folks saying your wrong and I'm right posts. Some of you I've even chatted with on this. Respectfully Ed

From: LBshooter
12-Oct-20
Real simple, buy a can its 10 bucks, and try it out for yourself. By the end of the can you'll know if it works for you. Like ozonics, some say yes others say no , so if you want to spend 400 bucks? To try it out your free to do so. Same with scents, some swear by them and others poo poo them, so if you want to drop 12 bucks to see for yourself , have at it. Regardless, you'll have fun trying it out.

From: Jaquomo
12-Oct-20
Sorry Brotsky and Teeton if you were offended. When some no-nothing jackwad comes on here and insults me and a bunch of other credible bowhunters, basically saying we're all idiots, I'm not going to sit back and let him do it without calling him out.

From: txhunter58
12-Oct-20
Anyone who hunts on the ground, and uses no kind of scent product, and consistently has big bucks downwind that travel thru their actual scent stream, and the bucks don’t spook, must smell a whole lot different than I do. Yes, when chasing a doe they can do some stupid things. But the doe he is chasing still spooks if she smells me

From: txhunter58
12-Oct-20
One thing about trying it.

Without it: deer walks downwind of you and spooks

With it: worse thing that can happen is the exact same thing. But there is enough evidence to suggest it works at least sometimes.

The only other thing I know of that can make your scent not a threat to them is to eat no meat for at least 2 weeks. Something about eating meat makes you smell like a predator to them

12-Oct-20
"The only other thing I know of that can make your scent not a threat to them is to eat no meat for at least 2 weeks"

Txhunter,

That made me chuckle. Maybe the guys not using a scent cover had exactly that going for them, they were unsuccessful for so long they hadn't eaten any meat and so deer did start walking downwind of them, LOL.

From: Brotsky
12-Oct-20
Not offended at all Lou, agree with the position you took and all you said. It’s the jackwads that make it unbearable :)

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20
So I'm curious, and im hoping someone that won't throw a childish tantrum can explain how I and others that hunt and stalk from the ground consistently get in range without spooking mature bucks? I use the wind and sun when i can. Big bucks actually bed facing downwind with the breeze at their back. You have to come at an angle from behind them do as to not walk right into their gaze but often the wind is not completely favorable. Waiting til afternoon often works when they are asleep, but even then, they often shift positions every 15 -20 minutes. At various times during rut, I have literally walked across an open pasture in full view of big bucks and gotten into bow range because they had a doe pinned down. Other times at dusk, I've had bucks dpot me on a field edge and walk right into range out of curiosity. I shot one at ten yards with a pistol one time doing this. It all boils down to hormones, rut timing, barometric pressure, thermals, the mood of the deer, and how much pressure or adverse human interaction they've had.

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20

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Mature 6 point at 30 yards running another buck away from the doe

12-Oct-20
Someone got the keys to a brand new backhoe!

:-)

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20

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Big 8 at 86 yards taking a nap. He woke up and came to 40 yards.

From: Bake
12-Oct-20
Thornton. . . . I don't remember seeing anywhere in this post that anyone said you MUST use some product to consistently get close to mature animals. I don't think that has been the point of this at all.

In fact, if you read the posts of those people who advocate it's use, including my post above, I think the takeaway is that it seems to work AT TIMES.

And again, if you read my post above, I have had literally hundreds of deer seemingly downwind of me at different times that didn't react, WITHOUT USING ANY PRODUCT. For whatever reason. Rut crazed. Thermals. Some trick of terrain, etc.

I have had at least 100 deer pass seemingly downwind of me with no reaction WHILE USING Nosejammer. I discounted those deer in my "study group". As I think some trick of thermals or wind could have been occurring.

BUT, I've had a goodly number of animals that I have watched downwind that have OBVIOUSLY smelled something. As someone said above, if you can read an animals' body language, you can TELL when they smell something.

And of the times that has occurred while using Nosejammer, I believe that it has in fact, worked to some degree. Not always. But enough that I will continue to spend the small amount of discretionary income on it's use.

I don't think anyone on this post has advocated using Nosejammer, and "forgetting the wind". But for those situations where a wind swirls, or an animal gets downwind (common where I hunt in big patches of timber), it's nice to have something that helps even if it's just a small portion of the time.

And I'm not a scent freak. I pump diesel in my hunting clothes. I wash my hunting clothes with my wife's laundry and she uses some really smelly fabric softener and detergent. I commonly don't wash my hunting clothes for a week or more at a time (if they don't get dirty). My hunting boots are leather and I wear them for everyday use including at the gas station, the truck stop restroom, and other nasty places.

The Nosejammer actually seems to work really well on my boots and seems to do a pretty dang good job of covering my walk in trails. Before using Nosejammer I would watch deer, even little fawns, hit my walk in trails and take off like the boogeyman was after them. SInce the Nosejammer, (I obviously can't see every deer that hits my trail), but the deer I've seen, often stop and seemed confused. And eventually move on.

It's weird. I am not affiliated with them. Hopefully this post will get me a sponsorship, because I'd love some free stuff. :)

12-Oct-20

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Good post Bake.

Jason, i had a thread last winter about my late season hunt in MO. I tried NJ for the first time. After harvesting a BB in the morning i had these three bucks come into 7 yards that evening. I was in a treestand on a semi-steep ravine, and they were below me. The thermals were obviously working against me.

Most guys who have hunted awhile have many experiences similar to yours. You can bet there are a lot more deer you never knew were there.

From: t-roy
12-Oct-20

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Haven’t had time to get this laminated for you yet, Thornton. It’s purposely a bit grainy, to match the photos you’ve posted.

From: Candor
12-Oct-20
Thornton...I agree with your comment about a deer smelling at ppm concentrations and nothing eliminating the human scent below that level.

So to reduce this to a scientific discussion - let me know with what of the following you take exception: 1) Different compounds have different odor thresholds. So for compound X, an olfactory system may detect it at a different concentration than compound Y.

2) When you take a dump in the bathroom you can light a match - releasing compound X (sulfur dioxide) to cover up someone walking in and smelling compound Y (your feces smell is generally a combination of 3 different compounds - hydrogen sulfide, dimethyl sulfide and methanethiol - but for simplicity let's just reduce this to hydrogen sulfide). The concentration of compound X may be less than the concentration of the compound Y. But your nose may detect compound X more strongly than compound Y - because of the different odor threshold. Couple that with the fact that compound X is more pungent than compound Y - so the next visitor to the bano will detect compound X more than compound Y. Now they may know that something else is in the air besides just compound X and air, but they can't sort out compound Y is still in the air, but they know something is there.

3) In open office environments - think cubicles - you can hear people talking on the phone two cubicles over. Designers have studied this and determined that you can install speakers above the ceiling that produce a static noise - this is called a "white noise system" (social justice has not yet reached this yet). The white noise system drowns out the listener from hearing someone 8 feet away. They potentially can still hear the speakers, but it requires intense focus. But their ability to decipher what the speaker is saying is certainly impaired. While this example is regarding hearing rather than smelling, it is still about muddling the perception of a sense.

All of the above should give a better understanding of how sensory perception.

If I lived in Kansas NJammer would be less valuable than it is to me in SC. Yall have more consistent winds. Where I hunt the dominant air movement may change throughout the morning not only because of routinely variable winds, but the influence of a nearby river on air temperatures as well as the topographic thermals. It is highly unusual that I have a morning with a consistent wind direction in excess of 3 mph. It would make hunting here so much simpler if we did.

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20

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Here's that big 6 point again. He's actually smelling me. He spooked at 30 yards a minute later and backed out very slowly the way he came. A week later I was on the ground with him and 5 other bucks and they ran circles around me in bow range for 15 minutes because of a hot doe.

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20
This buck here watched me walk up a dry creek in full view until I got to 62 yards and he and the other buck decided to vacate the doe and went over the hill. I found him a mile away later that afternoon and shot him.

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20

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This buck here watched me walk up a dry creek in full view until I got to 62 yards and he and the other buck decided to vacate the doe and went over the hill. I found him a mile away later that afternoon and shot him.

From: Jaquomo
12-Oct-20
Thornton, you need to get some serious help. Your health insurance will most likely pay for counseling.

From: Thornton
12-Oct-20

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Snowstorm in Oklahoma spot and stalk. But then again, snow and rainstorms are nearly cheating. As a teenager, my favorite time to stalk deer was in a rainstorm in October wearing my dollar store green raincoat. Jacomo- I never made fun of anything you said, just disagreed with the product. As for the "no name jackwad"?...have a little more control over your emotions. You might get upset and lose your dentures

From: Jaquomo
13-Oct-20

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What's your point? I killed this buck at 12 yards with a longbow using no scent control at all, hadn't had a shower for days, wasn't wearing Sitka. What, exactly, are you trying to prove? Nobody gives a cold damn about you or any of the deer you've killed.

This thread was an honest discussion about real world Nose Jammer experiences, positive and negative, until you decided to make a total ass out of yourself by hijacking it, adding no value to the discussion. Why don't you go over to the Ozonics thread and screw that one up too, and stop littering up this one?

13-Oct-20
Hey Lou - Stumbled across this dumpster fire in the middle of the night after doing duty with a sick kid. (Not Covid, thankfully)

Hope all is well. The kids send their best. The wife and I too.

Both chest freezers are full. So, we’re doing OK in the Flatland.

From: Brotsky
13-Oct-20
Candor, nosejammer works better than a match in the bathroom :)

From: Patdel
13-Oct-20
I've got a couple spots I've given up hunting because of shifty wind. Something about the terrain causes constant swirls.

This thread has me wanting to go back in there with some nose jammer and see what happens. I dont see how I have anything to lose other than the price of a can.

If it works I get 2 good spots. If it doesn't, nothing changed.

From: Catscratch
13-Oct-20
Same, I've got several spots I won't hunt because I can't do it without getting busted. I'm very cautious of leaving scent behind. I firmly believe many spots are burned out while you are not there, but after the fact. It doesn't take your actual presence to alert a deer that you have been in his territory and when you were there. Do that with a consistent basis and some deer will either avoid the area, turn nocturnal, or begin to approach that spot from down wind. Does this stuff keep you from leaving residual scent behind? Can it assist in keeping a spot "clean"?

From: Ermine
13-Oct-20

Ermine's embedded Photo
Ermine's embedded Photo
Who cares about whitetails. I’ve hunted whitetails only once.. in eastern Colorado. I killed this one on the ground at 17 yards. Public Land.. Spot and stalk.. no scent control or anything.

If accomplished Bowhunter’s are saying they have had success with nose jammer on elk and other species. That perks up my interest. Elk have amazing sniffers and in my experience will not tolerate human scent one bit.

From: GF
13-Oct-20
“ It all boils down to hormones, rut timing, barometric pressure, thermals, the mood of the deer, and how much pressure or adverse human interaction they've had.”

But mostly, it’s “how much pressure or adverse human interaction they've had.“

They can learn to be cagey or they can learn to ignore us.

From: Lost Arra
13-Oct-20
Wind forecast is iffy for a couple of stand locations on Saturday. Son inlaw is itching to go on his first hunt of the season. This sounds like a good Nose Jammer opportunity. I'll report back.

13-Oct-20
What I've learned from this thread is that I should use Nosejammer when I take a dump in a cubicle.

From: JohnMC
13-Oct-20
I've been around Lou quite a bit and I can always smell him, usually try to set across the room. So if the deer can't smell him with Nosejammer it must work! ;)

13-Oct-20
Always look on the bright side of life Ike!

From: Thornton
13-Oct-20

Thornton's embedded Photo
Thornton's embedded Photo
This one tonight stayed bedded 150 yards away while I practically sawed a tree down to hang a stand. He was more concerned about the combine 1/2 mile away

From: Thornton
13-Oct-20

Thornton's embedded Photo
Thornton's embedded Photo
The coyotes around here can be nearly unkillable sometimes but this one barked and yipped at me for 5 minutes

From: Thornton
13-Oct-20
Ermine- I've had the opposite experience with elk. I've only shot 5 bulls and the last one followed me off a hill, bugling at me. I didnt have a call on me at all, and I was wearing blaze orange. One of the biggest outfitters in Colorado told me once "Elk aren't very smart, they just don't like human pressure". Any animal that can be called in like a turkey, or slaughtered by the dozens with rifles on a migration route, isn't very smart. I'm glad Lou helped prove my point. Bragging a product is the sole source of success is ridiculous when obviously animals react differently on a whim and according to situation. My guess is that 2 year old buck Lou photographed at 15 feet was probably thinking "Did I just shat myself? or does that guy on the log really smell that bad?!"

From: petedrummond
13-Oct-20
Let’s vote is Thornton really that dumb or is he a troll? Type 1 for dumb. Type 2 for troll.

14-Oct-20
He's certainly not dumb. You can't become an RN and be dumb.

He's definitely solid in his convictions.

14-Oct-20
All Whitetails are not at the same weariness level either. Try the stuff you get away with in Kansas, down in the SE or the NE. The same goes for coyotes

From: Scoot
14-Oct-20
Idyll, that's true you can't be academically stupid. That doesn't speak one bit about common sense, axis I disorders, or especially axis II disorders...

14-Oct-20
Always look on the bright side of life Ike!

From: APauls
14-Oct-20
Learned a few things here:

1) Reading comprehension and logic are not everyone's strong suit.

2)Thornton hunts some pretty dumb animals. All remarkably un-killable, and yet by his own admission seem to be incredibly stupid. So take that as you will.

3) Some people can't seem to understand that people who say it works some of the time (myself included) are talking about instances where the animal clearly catches your wind, and THEN the encounter continues in either a neutral or positive manner. We are NOT talking about situations where an animal doesn't react at all. That simply makes no sense to spray an incredibly aromatic substance in the air and then claim it works when an animal doesn't seem to smell it......refer to #1.

4) Some people clearly understand winds and thermals, some people don't.

5) Thornton needs a new camera in the worst way. Or photography lessons. I don't mean that as an insult. I'm guessing it's the camera.

6) Many people respond to threads without reading any of the thread, and then contribute somehow assuming that what they are about to say has not been said yet, and/or assuming that nothing anyone said thus far should have any reference to or may even disprove what they are about to say.

From: Bake
14-Oct-20

Bake's embedded Photo
Bake's embedded Photo
I’ll tell you guys. I could have NEVER killed this DIY OTC gobbler without Nosejammer. He came in directly downwind to 9 yards!

From: Bake
14-Oct-20

Bake's embedded Photo
Bake's embedded Photo
Likewise. Every one of these birds tried to land with the wind directly in their face. Couldn’t have happened without Nosejammer

From: Bake
14-Oct-20
I just wanted to be the actual FIRST person to actually claim on this thread that Nosejammer lended to their success.

Since that seems to be what inference people are drawing

From: Bake
14-Oct-20

Bake's embedded Photo
Bake's embedded Photo
Works on crappie too

From: Ermine
14-Oct-20
Thorton- I would disagree that elk are dumb. I’ve seen countless videos of people rattling horns together and having big mature whitetails just run right in. Or guys popping up a decoy and have a big whitetail charge in. Animals will do crazy things if you catch them at the right time.

I’m not a whitetail expert but seems like whitetails can be patterned. They use same trails and food sources. Elk are very unpredictable and can roam lots of miles. Regardless a mature bull elk is equal to or smarter than a mature whitetail in my opinion.

From: t-roy
14-Oct-20
I totally humbly disagree ermine. IMO, A big, mature whitetail is every bit as tough to kill as any mature elk, terrain notwithstanding. Shooting 1 whitetail (or watching whitetail hunting shows) isn’t a very big case study to base your findings on. I’m definitely no elk hunting expert, but I’ve bowhunted them a dozen times or so. I’m batting 50% on them. (6 bulls) No giants, but a couple over 300” (I would consider those bulls mature), all but 1 bull DIY, plus OTC units. 4 killed spot n stalk and 2 over waterholes. Been “almost” in range on a bunch of others, till the sun goes behind one little cloud, and the thermals switch. No way I would have gotten that close on, but just a couple of mature whitetail bucks, at best. My biggest struggles with elk was finding them in the first place, then elevation.

A big, mature (4yrs old+) buck is a totally different animal than younger deer. They don’t just use the same path day after day coming into a food plot. (bait piles are illegal in Iowa) They are WAY more nocturnal than most does and younger bucks. The rut is potentially their biggest Achilles heel. I’m very fortunate, in that I own my own land, but contrary to what some might think, I have a bunch of bowhunters (15-20) that hunt the properties that surround me, so the deer are definitely not unpressured.

Please don’t, in any way, take this, as me agreeing with anything Thornton has posted ;-)

From: Patdel
14-Oct-20
T-roy, whitetails may be tougher if you want to kill a specific buck. Some of them just won't move in the daylight. Even in the rut. Unless you step on them.. I've got pics of of bucks 3 and 4 years running that I've never actually even seen. Theyre always around. Just never show up. So I get where you are coming from.

If somebody just wants to kill a deer, they are so much easier than elk its kind of a joke to even compare the two.

You said it yourself. Elk can be hard to even find. Walk onto any farm and there are multiple deer close by. It's just easy. I've passed more bucks than I can remember. Elk? I'm not passing. A bull gives me a chance I'm shooting at it. Might be the only chance I get. Maybe thats just me, but I struggle with elk. And I probably just jinxed myself this November.

Good luck to all this fall.

From: Thornton
14-Oct-20
Ermine- so you're a professional whitetail hunter since you killed one and watched videos? I encourage you to come hunt the tall grass prairie in the fashion I prefer. With crunchy dry leaves in the creek bottoms and tall dry grass in the open hills, it is extremely difficult to find, much less put a successful sneak on a buck over 5 years old. You'll usually only get one chance to see a big one in daylight with a doe, and when you spook him, he won't stop running for about a mile. Stalking the short grass of the west with sandy soil is many times easier than here. There is a reason I bolt out the door to stalk cedar thickets and ravines when it's snowing or raining because it gives me an edge I might not see in a season. I've hunted elk 7 times on public land (with a rifle) and 4 of those trips, I got within bow range of herds of cows and calves and one time, a big 6x6. Still hunting on pine needles is near silent compare to here.

From: JohnMC
14-Oct-20
I think Thornton and GF yourself should start a hunting show together.

From: Scoot
14-Oct-20
Ermine, please understand that what you have accomplished is child's play compared to thornton He's accomplished more in his hunting career at this point than you and all other bowsiters combined. He's smarter, better, and superior than you, and all of us, in every way. I know because he implies it in every self-agrandizing, ego driven post he makes. thornton, tell us again how great you are! Please!!!

T-roy, admit it-- you're a thornton fanboy!

From: Ermine
14-Oct-20
Did I say I was a professional whitetail hunter? No I didn’t. I’ve only hunted them once. I know big Whitetails can be tough. But to say mature bull elk are stupid and put midwestern Whitetails on a pedistal is dumb.

You rifle hunted some elk? Oh wow Cool story. Rifle hunting and seeing elk is different than actually arrowing big bulls. Two different things.

Come back when you have killed some big bulls on public land with a bow and we can talk.

Do you hunt public land in Kansas or private?

Tell you what. I’ll come out next year and hunt with you on the prairie with tall grass where you hunt. And see how I do. Sound like a deal?

From: Hondolane
14-Oct-20
Scoot lol wow! “Big Hunter yes?” YES! “THAT IS ALL U NEED TO KNOW” HACK

From: Hondolane
15-Oct-20

Hondolane's embedded Photo
Spot and stalk Wiona MN
Hondolane's embedded Photo
Spot and stalk Wiona MN
Scoot lol wow! “Big Hunter yes?” YES! “THAT IS ALL U NEED TO KNOW” HACK

From: greg simon
15-Oct-20
So what are we arguing about again?

Bake, on the Crappie do you put the Nose Jammer on your lure or on yourself?

Also a big congratulations not getting busted by that downwind turkey. Man those things are always winding me from hundreds of yards. Sometimes even upwind!!!

From: GF
15-Oct-20
You’re funny, John. I don’t know what Gift I have that brings out the thin-skin on you, but I’ve got your number without even trying.

Maybe some day you’ll figure out that it’s not personal on my end and we can sit down over a beer some time. Or a good Scotch if you prefer. I’m good either way.

I don’t brag about my trophies; I just put home-cleaned skulls on the wall in the barn; I take what walks by and am happy for the chance. If that makes me someone who needs to be taken down a peg, so be it. I couldn’t care less. There are a few here whose opinions mean plenty to me, and we have plenty of common ground.

So maybe just scroll on past what I have to say instead of knotting how your panties are every turn?

And frankly, I don’t want to hunt with or like Thornton; sounds boring as hell for deer and I believe my average on getting inside of ML range on decent bulls is a lot higher anyway. The only year I didn’t have at least one easy shot for my .54 roundballer was the hot, dry year when I drew a ML Bull-only tag. So I don’t know how you’ve lumped me in with God’s Own Trophy-Killing Machine, but trust me. Not a fit.

From: t-roy
15-Oct-20
Scoot....They’re running a 2 for 1 special on the fan club signup, right now. For some reason, I’m having a hard time finding somebody to go in with me......You interested?!!!

From: Rut Nut
15-Oct-20
LMBO! I thought maybe there was some new insight on NJ when I saw all the new posts this morning...............................................but it turned out to be just some good stand up comedy! (Not that there's anything wrong with it.................................... ;-)

From: Bake
15-Oct-20
Greg, for the crappie you definitely have to spray yourself. . . . And you really need to spray the kiddo's bobber too.

That rocky bank is loud, and it's always shifting underfoot, and you're lucky to see one keeper crappie a year in this country. It's just so tough. But fortunately, I'm a master baiter, and I can find 'em where there ain't none.

From: APauls
15-Oct-20
Were those DIY OTC crappies Bake? Cause private pond crappies got nuthin on public ground pressured crappies. I've had to rent ozonics just to catch a visual on my sonar on them bad boys.

From: Bake
15-Oct-20
Oh definitely DIY OTC pressured public land.

That is kinda funny. In all honesty, during the spawn, there usually are anywhere from 5-20 locals on this bank in the evenings. It's a perfectly sloped bank that you can drive to . . . :)

15-Oct-20
"Ermine- so you're a professional whitetail hunter since you killed one and watched videos? I encourage you to come hunt the tall grass prairie in the fashion I prefer."

Thorton, you've been on Bowsite long enough to know that Ermine kills whatever Ermine has a tag for.

From: Brotsky
15-Oct-20
I have a friend in Alabama that needs to hunt with Thornton. 2020 would be complete if we could make this happen.

From: Scoot
15-Oct-20
Brot doesn't he always hunt with himself?

From: Thornton
15-Oct-20
Ermine-I live near about 16,000 acres of public and hunt it quite a bit. I have permissions of wide open country and own a small farm myself as well as my sister's farm. Shot my two biggest bucks and a bull on public in CO and KS. Give me a holler next year if you draw.

From: KsRancher
15-Oct-20
Ike X2. As far as nose jammer is concerned, I'm going to give it a try this year

From: Thornton
15-Oct-20
I never said I was better. Just posted results of not having it and deer reacting the same way you say they do when you use it. I never said much more than it's a gimmick and you all freaked out and started talking trash, so I posted more photos. What I left out is friends that have tried it with poor results. Maybe they sprayed it on the wrong log or forgot to shat their pants or decrease showering while doing so?There are many hunters on here better then me. The only thing I have over most is I literally hunt or am in the woods a total of several months a year and living in the country. I work 3 days a week in the fall and winter, and hunt the other 4 unless I take a week off to go here or there. This year, I'll hunt big game in 4 states and I'm sure I'll encounter different animal behavior in each one.

16-Oct-20
So ive been extremely busy and have not payed much attention to bowsite,, this thread shows that ,im a damn fool for missing such humor...aghhh ...good to be back at the nut house....

From: Bou'bound
16-Oct-20
Is scrapejuice still made. I used to have pretty good luck with that stuff.

From: Thornton
16-Oct-20

Thornton's embedded Photo
Thornton's embedded Photo
These are the mule deer I'm familiar with in Colorado

From: grape
17-Oct-20
Great Saturday morning reads boys....Thanks....The crappie entry wins this morning.

From: Sand man
17-Oct-20
My 2 scents...Pun intended

I think there are a number of product that help.

The biggest factor is the wind.

I feel if you can convince a deer that you are either further away or that the odor is residual from a day ago then they will move off without the notification to ever deer within hearing distance. When this is the case I feel I’ve done my part.

I know deer will exhibit caution for sometime when in that area. If they spot you in a tree they will be looking to that very spot while approaching.

I’ve had success hanging a second set 20 yards (or more) from one I’ve been spotted in and using their new distraction against them.

I don’t think the average hunter gives these deer enough credit.

A lot can be learned by every deer encounter once an individual learns to “listen”!

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