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Has anyone currently on the bowsite ever tried this product and if so how does it work

Mark

I have close-up photos of bucks and does I've called in while hunting on the ground, and have watched them hit my scent cone and pay no attention. I also killed a 350 bull elk last year at 22 yards that came in with swirling wind. I'd sprayed it around on logs and a tree trunk where I was hiding.

I'm a major skeptic of this sort of stuff. But I've had enough positive experience with it that I'll continue using it.

My wife & I were at the Deer Classic the first year Nosejammer came out. They had a booth there & I walked by it & didn't stop. My wife, however stopped & got talked into buying a can of it. Honest! She brings it to me & tells me that I need to try this stuff.

After setting on the shelf for two years, I decided to try it during the last evening of the late season hunting over a food plot. I had marginal winds at best but tried it & had over a dozen deer, including several mature does downwind of me for over an hour & none spooked. They would sniff the air but didn't become alarmed at all.

I've used a few other times with similar results. Only had 1 deer spook when using it.

I was like you before I tried it. The first morning I used it, this buck came in from directly downwind, passing back and forth through my scent cone while circling the decoys. I don't get it, but I've had way too many deer and elk directly downwind when using it to not believe there is some effect, some way, somehow.

Hunting without regard for the wind? Not sure that is even hunting....more like shooting fish from a barrel?

I'm sure you've stated it in other threads, sorry, but would you please share how you apply and use Nose Jammer?

I was not impressed the first time, but would be glad to try it again, if you'll share.

I may have been doing something wrong, which seems to be what I'm best at.

Keep it real. Keep the wind in your face.

Hehaka, do you hunt with a compound bow? Modern laminated stickbow? Synthetic clothes? Drive a fuel-injected truck to your hunts? Let's keep it real, my friend. You're not the second-coming of Ishi, who, by the way, used a decoy hat on his head to fool deer. You use pine as a cover scent, I choose to use vanilla. Both natural. Neither will get you through the Pearly Gates of hunting superiority. I want to see you jump in a creek in the morning when it's 10 degrees outside, Mr. Natural..

Writer, since I hunt on the ground with NATURAL blinds made of native materials (for you, Hehaka) I spray some on a branch or log on either side and a stripe behind me. Other very accomplished bowhunters who hunt from trees have had good luck with spraying some at ground level and above. It's not a silver bullet, but I've had enough positive experiences to believe there's something going on. Or maybe I just smell good naturally after a few days without a shower?

Been waiting for that.....how dare someone question the almighty Jaq himself!!

Save your defensive all natural assault for the birds- the point was I am very proactive in trying to keep my scent down, like many other I'm sure. When it's cold, I go inside and take a shower and thoroughly enjoy all the modern technologies of fire to boil water, my home, camper, or local hotel!

Taking away an animals ability to smell, by airborne chemicals, is cheating, my man. Like steroids in professional sports, put an * next it!

Again, just trying to learn.

Hey, if TBE can type a block of text that clean surely I can learn something!

I'm still not convinced it works. Only sharing my experiences. I sometimes hunt 10-14 days in a row, from a camp or small trailer, and sometimes can't take a shower for several days unless I go to a rancher's house. In that case, I wipe myself down with an HS Scent towel every day, not for scent control but just to feel better. I try to wear as scent-free clothes as possible, but I wear my outers for many days at a time and hang them out to air dry during the day if I come back to camp.

If possible during early season, I take some sort of shower every day with green soap, but can't do that in November and December.

I brush my teeth three times a day with Biotene, scrape my tongue twice a day, and rinse with Biotene liquid.

When hunting from the trailer I cook at night and make coffee in the mornings and my clothes are likely permeated with those smells.

I hunt on the ground, and always try to work the wind. But with as much calling, rattling, and decoying as I do, deer are likely to come from anywhere. what is amazing to me is when a buck circles downwind, my wind powder is going right to him, and he acts like nothing is wrong. This has happened so often with the Nose Jammer since I started using it that I'm convinced something must be up, just don't know what. I've now had it work with muleys, whitetails, and elk. I don't know. I just call it like I see it. I'm certainly not anal about my scent control.

For an interesting read, follow Field and Stream's blind scent test experiments they do with various types of scent control and a drug sniffing dog. To my knowledge they haven't used Nose Jammer yet because they focus on scent control, not cover scent. In the current issue, the drug sniffing dog took 3-4 times as long to identify the box with the guy with an Ozonics contraption than with the other things they tested, from street clothes to head-to-toe baking soda coating. Even the guy with the ozone-treated clothes but no ozone machine fooled the dog for 42 seconds. I still think Ozonics may be a load of ..., but the dog's handler was stunned by the results of this testing.

Really? Thanks for the laugh on a nice Saturday night in the mountains!!

What's next? We come up with something that makes you invisible? It's suppose to be hunting, not shooting.

Save your money, pick up a gun or go shoot some critters in a pen that actually come running when they smell you.

I've lost all respect because I sometimes use vanilla instead of turpentine.

Wow. What have we come to?

PS: Nose Jammer? Great marketing name! One thing to check out is the science behind the marketing??? Anybody look into that??

You're right Jaq probably isn't much of a hunter. I bet he hardly killed anything before this stuff came on the market like what 2 years ago?

With an almost endless supply of scent elimination products, cover scents, and attractants available today, we've basically seen it all. One manufacturer, however, has a new twist on the scent game. Fairchase Products has developed a brand new scent category called Jamming with the introduction of Nose Jammer -- an olfactory nerve overload system.

Nose Jammer is not an attractant and not a cover scent. Nose Jammer uses a mixture vanillin and other organic compounds that effectively jam, or overload, a big game animal's sense of smell. When the brain is trying to process more odor sensory information than it is capable of, the signal shuts off and will not restart until it has had time to cool off.

Just like an overly bright light can wash out a photographic image, Nose Jammer overwhelms the olfactory system and overpowers an animal's ability to detect and track human scent. Best of all, it does so without alarming the animal to danger.

The company claims that big game animals relax with the smell of Nose Jammer as it’s formula’s main ingredient, Vanillin, can be found in their natural habitat mainly in trees and shrubs. Vanillin is a wood by-product and is present in a wide variety of tree species found throughout North America, including Conifers, Oaks and Maple trees to name a few. The key is taking these natural compounds and delivering them at concentrated levels to overwhelm the sense of smell.

Fairchase Products also claims that studies have shown Vanillin reduces the startle-reflex in both humans and animals. This increases the effectiveness of Nose Jammer as it not only has the ability to overload a big game animal’s sense of smell, but it actually calms the animal’s startle-reflex and that’s a deadly combination.

According to founder and president of Fairchase Products, John Redmond, "Making yourself invisible to big game is your number one priority when hunting, but not by covering up your scent or trying to smell like a deer. The basic principle behind Nose Jammer is to blend in with the big game's environment by using compounds that are found in the trees and shrubs that they live in every day."

Depending on how and what you hunt, Nose Jammer is used differently. But, typically, you spray your boots on the way to your stand, then a dash at the base of the tree, spray the tree for 5 seconds when you are standing in it, and that will attach the jammer and create a cloud. When game animals get downwind, Nose Jammer is the first thing that touches their nose. When on a spot and stalk, spray your clothes and boots.

Nose Jammer comes in either a 6 oz. or a 2 oz. aerosol can making it easy to carry in any pack or pocket.

TBB

Thanks for the informative post.....learned something new about vanillin....

+2 Thanks TBB

If you cover a banana with peanut butter all the human will smell is the strong odor of peanuts. The dogs smell both.

If this formula turns or screw up the dogs senses then maybe they have something!

Not sure if it was the Nose Jammer, but it obviously didn't hurt. She definitely got the last laugh!

Ozonics, Nose Jammer, or the next big thing....doesn't matter, it's a joke. It's not a matter of if they really work, they eventually will do just what the product name says- jamb up a animals nose. Anyone ok with it or using it is about shooting, not hunting.

I suggest everyone do this, now that it has become an issue, and to clear up any confusion over the legitimacy of the kill.

I'm not going to argue here, but get your facts on K9 dogs before you type.

"Fairchase Products has developed a brand new scent category called Jamming with the introduction of Nose Jammer -- an olfactory nerve overload system.

Nose Jammer is not an attractant and not a cover scent. Nose Jammer uses a mixture vanillin and other organic compounds that effectively jam, or overload, a big game animal's sense of smell. When the brain is trying to process more odor sensory information than it is capable of, the signal shuts off and will not restart until it has had time to cool off.

"Just like an overly bright light can wash out a photographic image, Nose Jammer overwhelms the olfactory system and overpowers an animal's ability to detect and track human scent. Best of all, it does so without alarming the animal to danger."

And then it goes on to state that they think this stuff actually detunes their startle response.

And the name of the company is "Fair Chase Products".... Sorry, not sorry - that's funny no matter WHO ya are! A deer has a brain the size of a large fist, and a huge chunk of it is dedicated to processing scent..., and that's "Fair Chase". LMAO How much help do we really need???

Just read that description (which appears to have come straight from the manufacturer): "Just like an overly bright light can wash out a photographic image, Nose Jammer overwhelms the olfactory system and overpowers an animal's ability to detect and track human scent. "

An "overly bright light".... You mean like the ones that jacklighters use, perhaps?

Truthfully, what bothers me about this stuff - if it works as advertised - is the notion that it crashes the whole olfactory system. So it doesn't just prevent the animals from smelling YOU, it keeps them from smelling ANYTHING, even after they've walked on past you and (potentially) into striking distance of another hunter or predator. JMO, it's one thing to fool them and escape detection; but actually inflicting a physical handicap - even temporarily...

So is it cheating? Again, IF it works as advertised, I'm leaning toward a hard Yes. Actually, I'd probably classify it as a chemical weapon - but don't ask me... Hell, I think food plots are pretty close to cheating, so you can probably guess where I come down on a whole bunch of stuff... But it's not like I don't own a climber. And when I do use it, it's because I'm on a mission to fill a tag, so I set it up in a bottleneck that's so tight that I call it the Fish Barrel. I haven't been able to hunt that property every year, but since 1998, think I've sat there ONE time when I didn't kill a deer.

I can't honestly tell myself that THAT is not cheating... but when the freezer is empty I do it anyway. Even an Ivory Girl is only 99 and 44/100ths % Pure.

Always fun to watch wood smoke from chimneys, on cold days it goes straight up, on heavy damp days it will fill the valley, and then there is everything in between.

Sit on the ground and try it. Because there is little to no room for error then. It's a completely different ballgame. A deer downwind of you on the ground is going the other way, in haste, if Nose Jammer doesn't do what it says it does. My $.02.

Come on Man!

I sprayed in on my boots/pant cuffs before I walked in to my stand.

About an hour after daylight a little basket rack buck followed my exact path to my stand.

That doesn’t happen on Nebraska public land without Nose Jammer.

So personally, I don’t think you could prove that it works unless you could actually see EXACTLY what the wind was doing...

And I don’t think you need to have used it to have a thoughtful opinion on whether using a product which DID completely deprive an animal of its primary defense would really constitute Fair Chase, which is all about providing the animal with every reasonable opportunity to escape. You know - you screw up, and the animal wins.

No, strictly speaking, Fair Chase is not legally required. It sure would be interesting, though, if P&Y were to require a sworn statement that no such products were used in the taking of an animal in order for it to qualify for The Book.

I just have to wonder....

If I were to take a really nice animal and I felt like I could honestly tell you that I couldn’t have gotten him without having used Product X.... Then what have I accomplished?

And FWIW, the only "book" I care about that is hunting related is my book of pics.

GF you are a bit of a whack - a- doodle aren't you...

Some guys just for the meat, others it’s mostly about the antlers and the prestige that comes with big trophies or entries in a book.

I LOVE the meat and I admire the antlers but at the end of the day, the number one reason I hunt is to solve the puzzle and get better at it. The more Stuff I use to close the deal, the less I have probably learned in the process, so sometimes I wonder what’s the point?

And then I see that empty freezer staring back at me. ;)

Have you ever used any cover scent of any kind? Skunk scent? Fox piss? Nose Jammer is just a cover scent that actually seems to have reasonable success. There is no doubt whatsoever it does not make you invisible. You can't spray nose jammer and suddenly you'll never be winded.

BUT, and here is the BUT it does seem like when you use Nose Jammer there are times when a deer hits your wind, goes alert, and then acts confused. Sometimes that deer will end up walking away, sometimes keep doing what they were doing, yet in a sort of confused attitude. The more mature animals still don't like it, and leave, but not in an "instant bolt" sort of going inside out getting out of dodge scenario. On a mature buck, this may still get you a shot, where he may have otherwise bolted. In a field/feeding scenario sometimes deer stick around. That, is what I am calling success.

However, after seeing Jaquomo post some positive experiences, who is a person I've hunted with and respect, I decided to try it.

I will say, 60% of the time, it works EVERY time :)

I've had enough interactions with it, that I use it quite a little bit. I had a bear on the ground at 11 yards with his nose in the air in a swirling wind that knew something wasn't right, but couldn't put his nose on it, so to speak. He finally decided he didn't like it, and left, but it was not a big noisy exit

I've had multiple deer, mature and young both, stand downwind with their noses in the air. Some of them still spook. Some don't.

It does seem that when deer spook at it, they tend to do so in much less of a dramatic fashion. Usually they just move quickly off. Instead of a snort and a death sprint to get away.

In the time I've been using it, I've probably watched 150 deer react to it in some way. And it's been positive enough that I will continue to use it.

I'm not an idiot either. I know that a deer can appear to be directly downwind, and my scent could go right over the top of it. But I can SEE deer smell it. When they stop and put their nose to the sky repeatedly, it's obvious they are smelling something. Those are the 150 deer I mentioned. I've also seen probably 100+ deer that never reacted at all, and went through downwind with no noticeable reaction.

I don't really count those deer, because the wind might have been over them. . .

As far as fair chase. . . . give me a damn break. Seriously?! Some people take this way too seriously.

You ever notice that those people who talk about "why" they hunt, are usually the same ones that think every one should hunt for the same reasons? They're usually the ones that think it's their way or the highway. Hypocrites

I hunt for me, and could give a damn why anyone else hunts. . .

Downside is that the deer do pick it up and their eyes follow their nose. I would not use it in a climber or ladder. But I am now a 100% believer for using nose jammer in every trip to the ground blind!

Kinda like spraying Potpurri scented air spray after taking a nasty, greasy steamer in the powder room at your future inlaws house and believing you're good, when actually, it smells like someone took a dump under a rose bush.....HAHA!!!

When I used vanilla, it alerted deer to the fact that something unnatural was upwind.

What does work is Lavilin, which use to be sold by Screaming Eagle as Pit Stop. Best prices are on ebay, from Israel. Not just for hunting.

I swear I’m still seeing spots!

I guess I wish I knew more about olfaction. I know we have three kinds of color receptors in our eyeballs, for red, green, and blue. Plus black and white.

And I know that we have about a half dozen different types of receptors on our taste buds; sweet, sour, salt, bitter and Umame. I guess that’s five, so maybe I missed one? I’m not sure if that’s the same as Savory or not.

So here’s what that would come down to… You can overload someone’s eyeballs entirely with a blinding white flash bulb, because that overloads every type of receptor. But we’ve all done the optical illusions where are you stare at a red piece of paper for a couple minutes, look at a blank white wall, and you see a green rectangle. The white wall is reflecting all of the different colors/wavelengths, but your red receptors are washed out so only the green remains....

I don’t have the first notion about how many different types of scent receptors a deer would have up its nose, but it seems like it would take a pretty interesting concoction to overwhelm every single type of receptor at once. Must be some kind of an olfactory train wreck!

I do know that what gets us busted is the capric acid (as in Capricorn), and I don’t know about you guys but if I go a couple days without a shower I don’t exactly smell like vanilla…

I would think, though, that the scent of this stuff would have to be insanely strong at the point source in order to do what it’s supposed to do, and I just don’t follow how the whole thing must work.

I swear I’m still seeing spots!

I guess I wish I knew more about olfaction. I know we have three kinds of color receptors in our eyeballs, for red, green, and blue. Plus black and white.

And I know that we have about a half dozen different types of receptors on our taste buds; sweet, sour, salt, bitter and Umame. I guess that’s five, so maybe I missed one? I’m not sure if that’s the same as Savory or not.

So here’s what that would come down to… You can overload someone’s eyeballs entirely with a blinding white flash bulb, because that overloads every type of receptor. But we’ve all done the optical illusions where are you stare at a red piece of paper for a couple minutes, look at a blank white wall, and you see a green rectangle. The white wall is reflecting all of the different colors/wavelengths, but your red receptors are washed out so only the green remains....

I don’t have the first notion about how many different types of scent receptors a deer would have up its nose, but it seems like it would take a pretty interesting concoction to overwhelm every single type of receptor at once. Must be some kind of an olfactory train wreck!

I do know that what gets us busted is the capric acid (as in Capricorn), and I don’t know about you guys but if I go a couple days without a shower I don’t exactly smell like vanilla…

I would think, though, that the scent of this stuff would have to be insanely strong at the point source in order to do what it’s supposed to do, and I just don’t follow how the whole thing must work.

Anyway, she blew at me like crazy for a minute, then went about her business. Like, led her fawns in front of me a few minutes later.... so, I have to ask, what gives? Did I get busted? Or was she smelling the Nose Jammer and confused and frustrated, because she couldn't sort it all out? I've never had a doe blow at me, then forget about it and lead her fawns upwind of me, like it never happened. Weird. Obviously it eventually worked in my favor, although I'd have preferred her not alerting every other deer for 500 yards something wasn't "right".....

Kinda lends some credence to the claim....

Guess I’ll go scratch my noggin for a bit over that one.

Was that the hunt where your blind was an abandoned cabin?

Justin, hard to say because there are so many variables involved with spot-stalk besides scent. I do know that Dwight Schuh wrote that he sprayed his pack down with it on stalks. He has just a little credibility.

After reading this post i ordered some, should be here Friday.

So after read this, are u guys putting it on ur self or on stuff around u?? I dont see why u could put it on ur self. Ed

If you see enough deer at close range you have confidence when you are observing a different types of reaction from an animal. I have seen a different type of reaction from a number of deer when they are smelling me/something when I am using NJ. The point above about it working on mainly immature animals may well be valid. Nothing is 100% impactful. My somewhat rational side of my brain says NJ works on enough of a percentage to be worth the effort of using it. I suspect the effectiveness declines for mature bucks. Just like they are generally more wary of everything. But I will continue to use it when I feel I am in a position of variable wind or having deer downwind - because I think it improves my odds a reasonable amount to justify the effort.

O3 generators may work - but that sort of crosses over the pain-in-the-ass line that I try to stay south of.... Also - using an electronic device to get close to a critter is outside of my comfort zone. This is a personal decision and I am not interested in debates on it.

Funny where people decide to draw that line. Some people are fine with compound bows with all the latest gadgets, but a crossbow is cheating. Some people are ok with with a “smart scope” to shoot game at 800 yards, but draw the line at using an eBike. And some people are ok with using skunk scent as a cover but draw the line at a vanilla scent.

Is it cheating”. No. Just one more thing to consider that you can make the choice whether you want to use it.

“ O3 generators may work - but that sort of crosses over the pain-in-the-ass line that I try to stay south of.... Also - using an electronic device to get close to a critter is outside of my comfort zone.”

Well put.

One more thing i ether miss in the above posts or you'''''s guys forgot to mention how sticky it is on ur clothes.

I expecting to see a lot of deer today or u guys lied to me. :)

I will say I’ve noticed success rate of the product goes way up if I spray my boots walking in, couple times even if it’s a long walk, and I’ll randomly spray overhanging limbs close to my location moving in, spray the base of my tree, mid way up my tree and where I’m sitting in the tree. On my actual tree I’ll let the can go till it’s dripping on the bark. I think going overboard ensures the first thing they hit is the nose jammer. My guess is most of the bad encounters where they blew up, exactly like catching my natural scent, was because they did just that. Something swirled and my scent somewhere hit their nose BEFORE the nose jammer did. Like I say, these encounters are drastically reduced when I use the stuff like I stole it.

I get a kick out of the guys that say there’s no way to tell if it works. You telling me you can’t or haven’t read animals body language and watched them when they hit your scent?? I feel like comprehending if a deer is calm, nervous, confused or flat out scared is pretty basic stuff

https://www.fieldandstream.com/does-scent-control-work/

Field and Stream didn't test Nose Jammer. They tested "scent control" products. I read the study too. The animals still smell Nose Jammer. They just aren't alarmed and are sometimes curious.

Have you ever actually tried it, Thornton? (NoseJammer, not the horse$hit)

Me to my wife: "We'll just have to agree to disagree" Her: "THAT'S CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE WRONG!" It makes me chuckle.

That works about half the time. The other half (as I tell my boys), it’s not that she hasn’t said what she needs to say..., she’s just not done saying it yet....

So Thornton is what, like twelve??

More like 13

When she hit the NJ scent she stopped. She kept raising her nose to the air. After 10 minutes of this she started eating acorns. She then bedded about 50 yards away.

I guess it could be other variables, but it certainly seemed to work in this situation.

Good for you, Thornton. Newsflash - nobody really cares what you think from your limited hunting experience.

Here's just one of hundreds, ground level, pocket point-shoot camera, 12 yards DIRECTLY downwind, and I hadn't had a shower in 6 days. Sprayed Nose Jammer on either side of the logs behind and in front of me. That was it.

Like he’s thinking “well there’s no way that a HUNTER would come out here smelling that bad, so it must be safe enough...”.

Yes, I call and decoy muleys into point-blank range on the ground, before, during, and after the rut, on a private ranch (it's ALL private out there) that is hunted by others for three straight months and also heavily hunted and outfitted all around. It isn't a "preserve".

I also hunt other animals besides just deer. Our two biggest public land bulls, 353 and 366, both crossed our scent cone at close range with a descending thermal and paid no attention to us after we'd sprayed down with NJ.

Here's the thing, Thornton. This thread is a discussion about the effectiveness of Nose Jammer. You come on here and start pontificating, thumping your chest, and dissing other's experiences WITHOUT EVER HAVING TRIED IT. You have no credibility. None. Zippo. Congratulations on whatever it is you are to be congratulated for, and move on.

You have nothing to contribute to this thread except a display of arrogance. Once again, you claim something doesn't work with absolutely no experience to back it up. You're like a eunuch who has never had sex telling everyone that sex is no big deal, not worth the effort.

Move along and post something stupid on another thread about which you have no knowledge or experience.

So you made The Cardinal Mistake and got busted and you threw it out because it’s not a fool-proof get outta jail free card?

One thing I’ve noticed is that everything seems to work for some people and nothing works for others, and I’m beginning to think that just MAYBE there is an operator-dependent component at play here..

That photo looks like the deer is 100 yards away. So what? He's well inside your gun range.

I wouldn't use Nose Jammer either if I was primarily a rifle hunter like you. And I've killed plenty of trophy class animals before I started using it. I have no affiliation with the company or products. All I can tell you is that enough big-league bowhunters of animals all over the country, including Kansas, have enough success stories - and most of them have tried all sorts of scent-control products over their combined thousands of years of bowhunting - that there is either something to it or it is the biggest collective, coordinated hoax in hunting history.

Hunt however you want. Rifles, bazookas, no scent control, whatever. Just know that if you start dissing other more experienced and more successful BOWHUNTERS about something of which you have never used and know nothing about, you'll get blowback. At least Boone tried it once, even if he didn't use it correctly, but he has a real experience to share.

BTW, how about posting up some photos of your "stupid as cattle" bowkilled mature muleys? Would love to see them.

How about posting up some photos of record-class animals you've taken on the ground with a longbow? That might help get you out of the hole you keep digging.....

TBH, Depends on several factors with regard to what you can get away with. For myself, I can get away with a lot more when I hunt my area in KS vs my area in Oklahoma. It’s not even close either.

Without it: deer walks downwind of you and spooks

With it: worse thing that can happen is the exact same thing. But there is enough evidence to suggest it works at least sometimes.

The only other thing I know of that can make your scent not a threat to them is to eat no meat for at least 2 weeks. Something about eating meat makes you smell like a predator to them

Txhunter,

That made me chuckle. Maybe the guys not using a scent cover had exactly that going for them, they were unsuccessful for so long they hadn't eaten any meat and so deer did start walking downwind of them, LOL.

:-)

In fact, if you read the posts of those people who advocate it's use, including my post above, I think the takeaway is that it seems to work AT TIMES.

And again, if you read my post above, I have had literally hundreds of deer seemingly downwind of me at different times that didn't react, WITHOUT USING ANY PRODUCT. For whatever reason. Rut crazed. Thermals. Some trick of terrain, etc.

I have had at least 100 deer pass seemingly downwind of me with no reaction WHILE USING Nosejammer. I discounted those deer in my "study group". As I think some trick of thermals or wind could have been occurring.

BUT, I've had a goodly number of animals that I have watched downwind that have OBVIOUSLY smelled something. As someone said above, if you can read an animals' body language, you can TELL when they smell something.

And of the times that has occurred while using Nosejammer, I believe that it has in fact, worked to some degree. Not always. But enough that I will continue to spend the small amount of discretionary income on it's use.

I don't think anyone on this post has advocated using Nosejammer, and "forgetting the wind". But for those situations where a wind swirls, or an animal gets downwind (common where I hunt in big patches of timber), it's nice to have something that helps even if it's just a small portion of the time.

And I'm not a scent freak. I pump diesel in my hunting clothes. I wash my hunting clothes with my wife's laundry and she uses some really smelly fabric softener and detergent. I commonly don't wash my hunting clothes for a week or more at a time (if they don't get dirty). My hunting boots are leather and I wear them for everyday use including at the gas station, the truck stop restroom, and other nasty places.

The Nosejammer actually seems to work really well on my boots and seems to do a pretty dang good job of covering my walk in trails. Before using Nosejammer I would watch deer, even little fawns, hit my walk in trails and take off like the boogeyman was after them. SInce the Nosejammer, (I obviously can't see every deer that hits my trail), but the deer I've seen, often stop and seemed confused. And eventually move on.

It's weird. I am not affiliated with them. Hopefully this post will get me a sponsorship, because I'd love some free stuff. :)

Jason, i had a thread last winter about my late season hunt in MO. I tried NJ for the first time. After harvesting a BB in the morning i had these three bucks come into 7 yards that evening. I was in a treestand on a semi-steep ravine, and they were below me. The thermals were obviously working against me.

Most guys who have hunted awhile have many experiences similar to yours. You can bet there are a lot more deer you never knew were there.

So to reduce this to a scientific discussion - let me know with what of the following you take exception: 1) Different compounds have different odor thresholds. So for compound X, an olfactory system may detect it at a different concentration than compound Y.

2) When you take a dump in the bathroom you can light a match - releasing compound X (sulfur dioxide) to cover up someone walking in and smelling compound Y (your feces smell is generally a combination of 3 different compounds - hydrogen sulfide, dimethyl sulfide and methanethiol - but for simplicity let's just reduce this to hydrogen sulfide). The concentration of compound X may be less than the concentration of the compound Y. But your nose may detect compound X more strongly than compound Y - because of the different odor threshold. Couple that with the fact that compound X is more pungent than compound Y - so the next visitor to the bano will detect compound X more than compound Y. Now they may know that something else is in the air besides just compound X and air, but they can't sort out compound Y is still in the air, but they know something is there.

3) In open office environments - think cubicles - you can hear people talking on the phone two cubicles over. Designers have studied this and determined that you can install speakers above the ceiling that produce a static noise - this is called a "white noise system" (social justice has not yet reached this yet). The white noise system drowns out the listener from hearing someone 8 feet away. They potentially can still hear the speakers, but it requires intense focus. But their ability to decipher what the speaker is saying is certainly impaired. While this example is regarding hearing rather than smelling, it is still about muddling the perception of a sense.

All of the above should give a better understanding of how sensory perception.

If I lived in Kansas NJammer would be less valuable than it is to me in SC. Yall have more consistent winds. Where I hunt the dominant air movement may change throughout the morning not only because of routinely variable winds, but the influence of a nearby river on air temperatures as well as the topographic thermals. It is highly unusual that I have a morning with a consistent wind direction in excess of 3 mph. It would make hunting here so much simpler if we did.

This thread was an honest discussion about real world Nose Jammer experiences, positive and negative, until you decided to make a total ass out of yourself by hijacking it, adding no value to the discussion. Why don't you go over to the Ozonics thread and screw that one up too, and stop littering up this one?

Hope all is well. The kids send their best. The wife and I too.

Both chest freezers are full. So, we’re doing OK in the Flatland.

This thread has me wanting to go back in there with some nose jammer and see what happens. I dont see how I have anything to lose other than the price of a can.

If it works I get 2 good spots. If it doesn't, nothing changed.

If accomplished Bowhunter’s are saying they have had success with nose jammer on elk and other species. That perks up my interest. Elk have amazing sniffers and in my experience will not tolerate human scent one bit.

But mostly, it’s “how much pressure or adverse human interaction they've had.“

They can learn to be cagey or they can learn to ignore us.

He's definitely solid in his convictions.

1) Reading comprehension and logic are not everyone's strong suit.

2)Thornton hunts some pretty dumb animals. All remarkably un-killable, and yet by his own admission seem to be incredibly stupid. So take that as you will.

3) Some people can't seem to understand that people who say it works some of the time (myself included) are talking about instances where the animal clearly catches your wind, and THEN the encounter continues in either a neutral or positive manner. We are NOT talking about situations where an animal doesn't react at all. That simply makes no sense to spray an incredibly aromatic substance in the air and then claim it works when an animal doesn't seem to smell it......refer to #1.

4) Some people clearly understand winds and thermals, some people don't.

5) Thornton needs a new camera in the worst way. Or photography lessons. I don't mean that as an insult. I'm guessing it's the camera.

6) Many people respond to threads without reading any of the thread, and then contribute somehow assuming that what they are about to say has not been said yet, and/or assuming that nothing anyone said thus far should have any reference to or may even disprove what they are about to say.

Since that seems to be what inference people are drawing

I’m not a whitetail expert but seems like whitetails can be patterned. They use same trails and food sources. Elk are very unpredictable and can roam lots of miles. Regardless a mature bull elk is equal to or smarter than a mature whitetail in my opinion.

A big, mature (4yrs old+) buck is a totally different animal than younger deer. They don’t just use the same path day after day coming into a food plot. (bait piles are illegal in Iowa) They are WAY more nocturnal than most does and younger bucks. The rut is potentially their biggest Achilles heel. I’m very fortunate, in that I own my own land, but contrary to what some might think, I have a bunch of bowhunters (15-20) that hunt the properties that surround me, so the deer are definitely not unpressured.

Please don’t, in any way, take this, as me agreeing with anything Thornton has posted ;-)

If somebody just wants to kill a deer, they are so much easier than elk its kind of a joke to even compare the two.

You said it yourself. Elk can be hard to even find. Walk onto any farm and there are multiple deer close by. It's just easy. I've passed more bucks than I can remember. Elk? I'm not passing. A bull gives me a chance I'm shooting at it. Might be the only chance I get. Maybe thats just me, but I struggle with elk. And I probably just jinxed myself this November.

Good luck to all this fall.

You rifle hunted some elk? Oh wow Cool story. Rifle hunting and seeing elk is different than actually arrowing big bulls. Two different things.

Come back when you have killed some big bulls on public land with a bow and we can talk.

Do you hunt public land in Kansas or private?

Tell you what. I’ll come out next year and hunt with you on the prairie with tall grass where you hunt. And see how I do. Sound like a deal?

Bake, on the Crappie do you put the Nose Jammer on your lure or on yourself?

Also a big congratulations not getting busted by that downwind turkey. Man those things are always winding me from hundreds of yards. Sometimes even upwind!!!

Maybe some day you’ll figure out that it’s not personal on my end and we can sit down over a beer some time. Or a good Scotch if you prefer. I’m good either way.

I don’t brag about my trophies; I just put home-cleaned skulls on the wall in the barn; I take what walks by and am happy for the chance. If that makes me someone who needs to be taken down a peg, so be it. I couldn’t care less. There are a few here whose opinions mean plenty to me, and we have plenty of common ground.

So maybe just scroll on past what I have to say instead of knotting how your panties are every turn?

And frankly, I don’t want to hunt with or like Thornton; sounds boring as hell for deer and I believe my average on getting inside of ML range on decent bulls is a lot higher anyway. The only year I didn’t have at least one easy shot for my .54 roundballer was the hot, dry year when I drew a ML Bull-only tag. So I don’t know how you’ve lumped me in with God’s Own Trophy-Killing Machine, but trust me. Not a fit.

That rocky bank is loud, and it's always shifting underfoot, and you're lucky to see one keeper crappie a year in this country. It's just so tough. But fortunately, I'm a master baiter, and I can find 'em where there ain't none.

That is kinda funny. In all honesty, during the spawn, there usually are anywhere from 5-20 locals on this bank in the evenings. It's a perfectly sloped bank that you can drive to . . . :)

Thorton, you've been on Bowsite long enough to know that Ermine kills whatever Ermine has a tag for.

I think there are a number of product that help.

The biggest factor is the wind.

I feel if you can convince a deer that you are either further away or that the odor is residual from a day ago then they will move off without the notification to ever deer within hearing distance. When this is the case I feel I’ve done my part.

I know deer will exhibit caution for sometime when in that area. If they spot you in a tree they will be looking to that very spot while approaching.

I’ve had success hanging a second set 20 yards (or more) from one I’ve been spotted in and using their new distraction against them.

I don’t think the average hunter gives these deer enough credit.

A lot can be learned by every deer encounter once an individual learns to “listen”!

So we have some really amazing bow hunters that swear by the product, some amazing bow hunters who detest it. And some of the usual blowhard characters that denounce anything someone else finds positive in life.

I have only bow hunted 3 times this year. I have a small property and it’s easy to apply pressure at the wrong time and blowout stands long before there is a chance at a good deer. My best chance year in and year out is post peak rut usually in that November 13-21st range. About 3 weeks ago I decided to drop in for a post work quick evening sit. The stand site had great access, great exit, and was a natural travel corridor between bedding and an evening food source. I checked all my usuals windy, weather underground. Etc Everything was South, Southwest wind which was perfect for this stand so I pack up and headed into the stand. I was there 30 minutes and started noticing the wind was hitting me in the back of the neck which would indicate a Northeast wind. So I frantically check my phone and somehow on the 30 minute walk to my stand it went from S,SW winds to light and variable. I started to scramble to get down and leave. As soon as I stood up I catch movement to the left and of course it’s a deer. Little did I know it would be a parade of deer that had me pinned down as 11 deer would funnel thru in the next 30 minutes. I wasn’t full on busted but played peak-a-boo with two does that knew something was up as they caught some of my wind and burned a hole right thru my chest.

I am not a gimmick guy and I strictly play the wind. I am by no means a scent freak. I keep my clothes in a bin but that’s about it. I don’t spray anything and usually only wash my outer layers occasionally. But for whatever reason (probably this thread) after this little mishap I go onto the Amazon app and I order me a can of Nose-jammer. Honestly I think for the entertainment value.

So fast forward to two nights ago. I have a stand overlooking a transition staging plot that the deer funnel into before hitting the big field. The best wind for the stand is a straight West wind, then a SW wind and lastly you can hunt the evenings on a NW wind but not mornings. The NW wind is marginal but usually in the evenings the deer hug the edge 30 yards away and filter to the big field. Just happens that on that night was a NW wind but I have been really wanting to go so I decide to do so. I climb into the tree and hadn’t read the instructions but did after I ascended the tree. Well I only sprayed it around me up top not on my boots or brush near the base. I had plenty of deer filter out of the thickets in front of me but two mature does in general fed too far East which put them dangerously close to my Scent drift. I didn’t think they were in it but they immediately locked on to me. It had to be the NJ.

Doe #1. - immediately starts licking her nose and sniffing with a vengeance. She just stared and stared at me. Cautiously she made her way down wind. As she moved in downwind of me I knew I was in serious trouble. She made her way 20 yards down wind and I can feel the wind from me directly to her. It was also getting colder so you know thermals were dragging my scent down. She stomped 1 time and trotted (not ran, or freaked out) about 10 yards into the thicket. I thought for sure I was had. But over the next 20 minutes amazingly she came back to the edge of the thicket 3 different times and stared into my tree and took giant whiffs. After this little display her button buck fawn came over and did the same thing. They casually walked off after 20 minutes or so with no indication they were spooked.

Doe #2 takes almost the same feeding route as doe #1. Almost the same spot she locks onto me. She sniffs endlessly. She again moves downwind of me for a better view of what’s going on. This time her two fawns join in on the fun. Again 20-30 yards downwind they post up and have a sniffing party. After about 15 minutes they slowly feed away to the South and out of my life for now. Did NJ work? Does it work? I don’t know but it certainly didn’t hurt me. I have to admit that without it I was probably busted twice. I will use it again and probably only at locations with marginal wind. Definitely not the result I expected.

I will say, I've been using it extensively this year, and I have had mostly positive experiences. I did get blown at one night, by a doe that got behind me, but she quickly settled down, and actually walked out in front of me shortly after I thiught the gig was up. I've never seen that happen. Other times I had several deer get downwind of me, and they never reacted at all.... maybe paused and sniffed the air a little, and moved on. Maybe they never got my wind.... maybe it went over them.... you can't see what your scent is doing, so all we can really do is guess at what happened. It sure doesn't hurt anything.

I will say that there are many guys on Bowsite that I trust and always listen to their advice. From camo and scents, to bows and broadheads, I always listen and then do my best to try and get in-field experience with said product.

I have used NJ for around 3 years and will say that it has never hurt a thing and in many cases helped IMO. There is definitely something to it and have had many whitetails catch a whiff of me or the spray and continued on or given me a few more steps through a lane etc.

Also, it smells awesome!! Much better than the Fresh Earth detergent I accidentally used the other day.....:0

The only negative attribute I find is that it makes me crave carbs after a long stand session. Not good for meso/endomorph like me.

It is WAY less cumbersome than Ozonics (tried 3x in 2014), is way more helpful than being scent free (impossible IMO) and again smells GREAT!

I don't know everyone on this thread and haven't read all of it but guys like T-roy and Lou should always be given the benefit of the doubt as they have been there done that and can't see either of those guys advocating for something that doesn't work.

For a guy who has never big on scent products and favored watching the wind above all else, it has given me a slight edge, which I appreciate.

Good luck the rest of the season!

The backhoe you keep digging deeper with, takes 2cycle gas??

Kurt

I’m not going to waste anyone’s time reporting my experience or success with this product but I will add something that sombody might find useful.

That stuff is sticky. I hate the way it feels, or the way my clothes, boots or any of my gear feels after I get any spray on it. But most importantly, it completely gummed up my release to the point where it wouldn’t fire. My fault of course, because I was stupid enough to spray my boots every morning while my index release was strapped to my wrist and apparently dangling in the way of the spray stream once in a while. I was just lucky to figure that out and get it fixed before an animal I wanted to shoot showed up. My buddy that shoots a recurve said it had no effect at all on his release, so who knows?

So, sorry this post is off topic, and has nothing to do with all the useless nonsense posted above, but be careful where you spray that chit.

Maybe I will finally try using it tomorrow....

Kurt

Rick Flair, one encounter doth not the story tell. Many encounters over many years will expose the truth one way or another. Woooooooooo!

Also....if you can’t smell what the Rock is cookin....It’s probably due to NoseJammer!

Last night two mature does samples the air off and on for ten minutes but didn’t get at all excited.

Majority of the time, the most negative result you have is a deer easing off knowing something isnt right versus blowing out and alerting every deer in hearing distance of potential danger. Thats a BAD result. Anybody that spends any kind of time using a product or a strategy KNOWS whether that product or strategy makes the game different. Its clear from experiences here that it helps and the times where it hurts are few and far between.

"Now to me, those first two encounters alone should prove that Nose Jammer does not jam a deer's ability to smell. So why say that it does? It may indeed be a comparatively effective cover scent. So why not say "The Most Effective Cover Scent You Can Buy"?"

And I do have stinky crap, so maybe that is the difference, lol. No kidding, as I have aged I understand why they call us old farts. I do pass more gas and my sightings are down this year. I can say NJ doesn’t work on my nose when I fart in my coveralls. That might be too much information, LOL.

IME....washing my camo with scent free laundry detergent and taking a shower with scent free body wash and using scent free anti-persperant has been my best weapon in the stand.

That if we read it on Bowsite it must be true, or that those who write the truth get slammed by those who don’t?

No denying he gets close to deer without using it. I use it and believe it works. I can understand guys who don’t think it does. That’s all I meant, I wasn’t disagreeing with you or trying to slam anyone.

I appreciate and trust you.

Does anything "work" 100% of the time? I'll go on record as saying I think it helps.... every time though? No. But it doesn't hurt. We should move on from this, and on to what's the best bow, what's the best broadhead, best camo pattern, can you spend less than $1800 on binos, and still see game, you know.... impotent stuff. ; )

We've all seen pics of people walking up to Mountain Goats, Bighorn, even Elk so...

On topic...I do not tout ANY products, no need, but I've used NJ some the last two seasons and I like it. It's best if sprayed into a paper sack and huffed.

I have to ask, were you using NJ?

;-)

I don't understand the skepticism about a product that covers up human scent to animals. They've been used for years with enough anecdotal evidence to suggest they work.

Do any of you remember a product called Essence of Fall? It smelled like cheap whiskey to me, but deer and elk seemed to love it. Once, after spraying that stuff all over myself, I had a spike bull sniff his way up to me, stick his nose in my ear, and drool on my shoulder. I can't tell you how many times Mule deer walked up to our blinds that we had sprayed with EoF, sniffed all the way around the blind, then walk off totally unalarmed. That was all before the no-scent craze started, so cover scents were the only game in town.

I've kinda drifted away from any type of scent control or cover-up these days, mostly because It just adds expense and steps to a hunt that I don't care to worry about anymore. But I have no doubt that cover scents do work and have for years in many different forms.

Matt

I've BTDT, too. LOL. Cheap whiskey and cheap whiskey breath are totally different smells.

;-)

Matt

Honestly, I wish more people who read Bowsite would put their 2 cents in.

I got to laughing at her putting the brakes on so hard

I used NJ on my farm for the first time last year. I had good results, and killed a bb during late season in the cold and snow. Did a semi-live hunt on here with that hunt.

Earlier this season I had a fawn coming to my stand, followed about 10 yards behind by the momma doe. Morning hunt, they were coming on a trail munching on acorns as they headed to their bedding area. I was on higher ground. The thermals were with me, but had a 2-3 mile breeze that would carry my scent to them about 20 yards before they were even with me.

The fawn hit my scent stream and stopped eating acorns for a second, lifted her nose, and went right back to feeding. She was a chip shot but I wanted the mom. Just as I came to full draw right at where my scent stream should be hitting her, she jerked her head up, blew and whirled in a split instance. She ran about 70 yards away and kept blowing for a good 30 seconds.

Made we wonder if she recognized the scent from last year and it registered as danger? I documented how there were deer tracks in the snow from where the fawn fell after killing him last year, and right up to the gut pile as well. Do you think they are able to think this thru and realize what happened and to stay away from the smell? It makes me hesitant to use it after that experience.

Lou, kind of curious to your thoughts.

Sorry if someone already posted this, but no way I’m going to read all these previous posts. Just too many. Good luck!

Frank, I've thought about this often, and someone else brought it up on previous post. Since animals are associative wrt danger, it is very possible they could come to associate humans with NJ with multiple exposures. Just like they have learned to look up in trees in some places, and why public land elk have become extremely call-shy and quiet in daylight in many areas.

Take pea-brained trout. In heavily fished catch and release rivers they have learned to associate bead head flies with danger. But you can run the same size 22 midge past them without a microscopic bead and they move over and hit it.

There is a fine-print disclaimer on each can that it doesn't work for nurses from Kansas.

If you have unpressured public or private property with great habitat, (insert product name) will work great. If you hunt over-pressured public ground, (insert product name) won’t work. Either way it’s cheaper to use LW climber and hunt at 30’. This jambs their noses and is free.

What has your actual experience been with Nose Jammer? That's the topic of this thread. Otherwise you have nothing of value to share.

BTW, I've seen them run away from a tipped Primos can on a place that is NEVER hunted.

Is that in a monster tree or something? It’s crazy high...

See, that's why I don't get the pushback. . . . It's literally a FREE ride. If they smell NJ and it doesn't work and they spook. . . . how is that different from NOT using NJ, and they smell YOU and spook?

For the NJ to work, or NOT work, the deer necessarily has to be downwind. So whether you use it or not, and it works or not, how is it any different than using nothing? It's a no lose proposition. If it works even 5% of the time, why not? If it doesn't work, why not? They still smell you

And I'm a capitalist. I'm perfectly OK with the owner of NoseJammer cackling while he hunts his 10,000 acres. Now if only I could come up with the next thing.

The point is NOT to use NJ and forget the wind. The point is to use NJ for the occasions where your setup doesn't work perfectly, and something ends up downwind where they shouldn't be.

The difference is your money is still in your pocket. You don't have to read (insert product name) instructions. You don't have to apply (insert product name). You don't have to keep track of where you store your (insert product name). It's just one less thing to fool with. I don't know about you but I want to keep my hunts as simple and light weight as possible. I don’t want any artificial scents made in some factory near the big smart buck’s nose.

And the money is literally nothing. I think I bought one can this year for $13 or $14.