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Zimbabwe banns bowhunting
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Contributors to this thread:
Africanbowhunter 01-Aug-15
Gazi 01-Aug-15
Bigpizzaman 01-Aug-15
Bou'bound 01-Aug-15
JTV 01-Aug-15
Gazi 01-Aug-15
gobbler 01-Aug-15
Pig Doc 01-Aug-15
gobbler 01-Aug-15
itshot 01-Aug-15
Fulldraw1972 01-Aug-15
Matt 01-Aug-15
gobbler 02-Aug-15
Glunt@work 02-Aug-15
LWood 02-Aug-15
TD 02-Aug-15
Bou'bound 02-Aug-15
SteveB 02-Aug-15
SteveB 02-Aug-15
cityhunter 02-Aug-15
glacial21 02-Aug-15
Dave 02-Aug-15
Ben 02-Aug-15
Matt 02-Aug-15
LBshooter 02-Aug-15
Zbone 02-Aug-15
ToddT 02-Aug-15
gobbler 02-Aug-15
Pat C. 02-Aug-15
Beendare 02-Aug-15
Jailer 02-Aug-15
Kevin Dill 02-Aug-15
Bullshooter 02-Aug-15
DL 02-Aug-15
Bou'bound 02-Aug-15
David A. 02-Aug-15
Zbone 03-Aug-15
Ollie 03-Aug-15
Pig Doc 03-Aug-15
Sage Buffalo 03-Aug-15
David A. 03-Aug-15
bb 03-Aug-15
Trial153 03-Aug-15
mn_archer 04-Aug-15
01-Aug-15
Friday some fool in Zimbabwe announced a ban on hunting and bowhunting of big game like lion, leopard elephant etc I am not good at copy and paste The bottom line is the bureaucrat has no clue as to what going on.... All because of the actions of a single hunter SAD TINK NATHAN

From: Gazi
01-Aug-15
PRESS STATEMENT BY ZIMBABWE PARKS AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY ON MEASURES TO IMPROVE THE ADMINISTARTION OF HUNTING IN THE COUNTRY

Following the illegal killing of an iconic lion, Cecil, outside the Hwange National Park on Antoinette farm in Gwayi River Conservancy on the 1st of July 2015, it has become necessary that the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority further tightens hunting regulations in all areas outside the Parks Estate.

The Authority working with other law enforcement agencies has launched a crackdown to weed out any undesirable elements. To date our law enforcement agencies are following up on all found or reported cases and they have since arrested another culprit, Headman Sibanda, on allegations of breaching hunting regulations. He is currently assisting Police with investigations.

Further to that crackdown the following measures are going to be implemented immediately;

1. Hunting of lions, leopards and elephant in areas outside of Hwange National Parks has been suspended with immediate effect. All such hunts will only be conducted if confirmed and authorized in writing by the Director-General of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, and only if accompanied by parks staff whose costs will be met by the landowner.

2. Bow hunting has been suspended with immediate effect and no such hunting will be conducted unLESS it has been confirmed and authorized in writing by the Director-General of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority.

3. Members of the hunting fraternity are being reminded that it is illegal for quotas to be transferred from one hunting area to another. Any case of quota transfer is regarded as poaching. The Authority will not hesitate to arrest, prosecute, and ban for life any persons including professional hunters, clients and land owners who are caught on the wrong side of the law.

All players in the hunting industry are being reminded to familiarize themselves with the relevant statutes governing the wildlife industry. Further, the Authority would like to appeal to all members of the public that they should report any SUSPECTED illegal WILDLIFE activities to the nearest offices of Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, Zimbabwe Republic Police and other Government law enforcement agencies.

E. Chidziya

DIRECTOR-GENERAL

From: Bigpizzaman
01-Aug-15
And so it begins!! Zim is operating on the U.S. Dollar right now, they will get none of mine! Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

From: Bou'bound
01-Aug-15
Further proof that in today's world it is perception, not reality or fact, that drives actions. Those that are more focused on getting the facts right will do so while those who control things act tangibly based on perception.

From: JTV
01-Aug-15
Let Zimbabwe rot, I hope not another hunter steps foot in the place.....let them feel the pain and what real poaching is like.....

From: Gazi
01-Aug-15
Zimbabwe knows not what they are doing to themselves in the name of political correctness. In spite of their egos, there are plenty of other places in Africa to go!

From: gobbler
01-Aug-15
Well, that's great. This is why we have to be on our best behavior and guard all the time. The antis are salivating waiting for situations like this.

The Dentist will be famous from now on whether he knowingly did something illegal or not.

If this is true then years of work for bow hunting is gone overnight.

From: Pig Doc
01-Aug-15
There you go BPM. Your buddy got us all banned from Zim. This is the point I have been making on the Ashamed thread. They are not going to wait to see if Palmer broke any game laws. Bad actors ruin it for all of us.

From: gobbler
01-Aug-15

gobbler's Link

From: itshot
01-Aug-15
Tink, what a mess

the announcement reads just like the emails from some african 'official' who is trying to sneak millions of dollars(US) out of the country and YOU have been chosen as the beneficiary...

surprised abc hasn't contacted you for a burial quote for a story

From: Fulldraw1972
01-Aug-15
So how long will they go with the loss of revenue till they change this?

From: Matt
01-Aug-15
That press release does not say that bowhunting is banned. Time will tell as to how liberal the Director-General of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority are with confirming and authorizing bowhunting.

I am beyond annoyed that Americans in general are letting the media dictate what they should think is important, and I am also a bit disappointed in how many of my bowhunting brethren are jumping on the bandwagon as well based on the medias biased reporting of the incident.

From: gobbler
02-Aug-15

gobbler's Link
Unless I'm reading # 2 wrong it sounds like bow hunting is banned without special permission, which is probably not likely under the current situation. Of course, I could be mistaken.

From: Glunt@work
02-Aug-15
$ounds to me like $pecial authorization will be required from now on.

From: LWood
02-Aug-15
I'm with Matt. It says suspended, not banned.

From: TD
02-Aug-15
Many seem to bemoan the fact there is an economy based in hunting... some of it dealing with large sums of money. Some are envious.... others on a moral high horse.

My feeling here is the money will open the doors back up once they see we (hopefully) cannot be shaken down for our lunch money and the effect on the local officials more than anything takes it's toll.

In a country were graft and corruption is a large part of their GDP..... they will miss the high roller hunter who can be shaken down at border crossings and airports. Or scammed on misrepresented hunts.

We shall see if the economic aspect of big game hunting helps keep the doors open, or the opposite happens.

From: Bou'bound
02-Aug-15
We are continuing to "major in the minors" here.

Who benefits, and what changes if we get word today that the lion was legally killed on proper land with proper documentation, it was not lured off the preserve, it died within 5 minutes of the shot, and all the other allegations were false. In fact the only thing that is the same in both that new reality and the original story of lies was that the lion is dead.

it only matters to a few people (Palmer and the guys he contracted with). He now, from a legla perspective be "safe". He is still a pariah and his business and life are otherwise trashed, but he is safe legally.

Other than that it matters not to anyone else. The damage is done, the martyr-cat has served it's purpose, hunting has been vilified, etc.

No anti-hunter has ever said i support legal hunting it is the illegal stuff that i vehemently oppose.

Damage done.

From: SteveB
02-Aug-15

From: SteveB
02-Aug-15
Bingo ^^^^

That's been the point since this first came out. One careless quest for a "trophy" from someone who obviously didn't cover their bases and we are all "dinged" . This will pass, but with long term consequences. Shame.

From: cityhunter
02-Aug-15
SteveB facts are that 99percent of American hunters dont care what happens in Zim. If whitetail hunting in the USA was in danger then u would see a uproar .

From: glacial21
02-Aug-15
Bou'bound is right on. The damage was done days ago with this story. This is reality in today's social media culture - like it or not. One bad decision by any one of us can go viral and spin out of control overnight, tainting everyone in the process. Facts or no facts - it's about sensationalism. Keep that in mind the next time you want to "share" a nasty photo of a blasted coyote or haul bloody deer carcasses in full view down the highway.

From: Dave
02-Aug-15
I'm wondering, at what point, are the logical people of this country going to stand up and do something about the left-wing wacko hypocrites who destroy people's lives and careers with lies, attacks, protests, and personal threats. Someone needs to take a stand against this type of extortion and prosecute them or it's only going to continue and will get worse. There needs to be some liability on behalf of the media and left-wing lunatics. Whether it be small businesses who choose not to cater gay weddings, hunters who legally kill game, businesses unlucky enough to operate in cities where black men are appropriately gunned down by police because the pose a legitimate threat or where some dope fiend prisoner kills himself in the back of police van and the mayor and DA allow the residents to wreak havoc on innocent lives and businesses, is this the America we are destined to live in from now on?

From: Ben
02-Aug-15
Dave, Your right on this is the liberal, pc correct mindset. As you stated they don't need facts and make up their own " facts". Lying is a way of life for them to get what they want. This is just the foot in the door to end hunting here. Don't believe for a minute that it's being planned here.

From: Matt
02-Aug-15
"Unless I'm reading # 2 wrong it sounds like bow hunting is banned without special permission, which is probably not likely under the current situation. Of course, I could be mistaken."

"Ban" has an implication of permanence whereas "suspension" has an implication of being temporary. The press release uses the word "ban" in another context, so I think it would be an error to suggest we should consider them as synonymous. Moreover, the suspension of bowhunting has a qualifier which could mean it will be broadly confirmed/authorized by the relevant parties for all we know - although I doubt that will be the case for hunts for the big cats.

IMO this press release is the Zimbabwe government pandering to non-consumptive users in a way that would give them the "out" to quietly go about business as usual once the outrage has passed - which will probably happen as soon as a Kardashian has a nip slip or pops (Caitlyn) crashes a car again.

From: LBshooter
02-Aug-15
Wonder if gun hunters will protest by not hunting in Zim? Hit them in their pockets and se what happens.

From: Zbone
02-Aug-15
"Zimbabwe banns bowhunting"

Does this suspend xbows too???...8^) (That was a joke)

In all seriousness, ever since this fiasco began, I keep reading were this lion was shot with a crossbow, but every hero picture I see of Dr. Palmer he is holding a compound... Do we know for sure what type weapon he was shooting?

From: ToddT
02-Aug-15
Bou, do you have a link to the information you provided. It would be nice, if I choose to comment on one of the numerous articles damning the hunter and the situation, to have a possible link to more up to date, more accurate information.

I read the comments on several articles about this situation, and it is unsettling to find that the majority is ready to hang the hunter - literally, it seems as if given the chance, many would truly, crucify, or hang him.

BPM seemingly came to his aid here, and many seemed to harshly reply to him as well.

Bottomline is, if the hunter knowingly did something wrong, then by all means, a punishment is necessary. However, I have been fortunate enough to hunt in Africa, and once in Zimbabwe, and I rarely knew where I was, or what permits were in hand. Unless I questioned the PH, and they told me, what I could only believe was the truth. But had the PH lied to the hunter in this situation, how could the ramifications of any illegal activity remotely lie on his behalf?

Some non-hunters also mention the collar. Several have lamented that they could have easily seen this collar even though they aren't hunters. But from what I understand, the shot was at night - which from what I understood was legal - so spotting a collar of any color other than reflective fluorescent could easily be overlooked, though I am uncertain if that would even matter if the hunt was conducted on legal property and with legal license.

One article even went so far as to question why a dentist is able to make enough money to be able to afford such a hunt. Coming from a VERY working class person, I think if a person can make oodles of money, then more power to them. Unfortunately we live in a world where the same person who complains about this person who is/has been working hard, for many years, along with accruing an abundance of education, and keeping several other employees going for a number of years, are the first to pay for a ball game ticket to support the overpaid athletes that really do not much more than showcase their God-given talent.

Regardless, as has been mentioned, this situation has grown out of hand, whether legal or not. But if it were all perfectly legal, this has really gotten out of hand, and various aspects will never be rectified.

This situation is truly sad for all involved. Hopefully the plight of the hunter will be resolved and he will be able to trudge forward without too much damage to his reputation and business.

From: gobbler
02-Aug-15
IDK

From: Pat C.
02-Aug-15
Wow it's truly amazing at the people falling right in line with the liberal media. All because of the actions of a single hunter SAD TINK NATHAN This is a perfect example he don't know any more than the rest and is laying blame. Let's not let facts get in the way of a good lynching!!

From: Beendare
02-Aug-15
Some good comments. I hope the US hunters get together and boycott Zim....in a couple of years they will come around.

From: Jailer
02-Aug-15
Dave nailed it. Right on brother!

From: Kevin Dill
02-Aug-15
"Unless I questioned the PH, and they told me, what I could only believe was the truth. But had the PH lied to the hunter in this situation, how could the ramifications of any illegal activity remotely lie on his behalf?"

Offered as an example: If I am with a professional outfitter in Alaska and he tells me to shoot a sheep which turns out to be in a GMU or zone we shouldn't be in...should I be held in any way responsible?

If I shoot a moose on the assurances of my guide that it is a legal moose in all respects, and if it turns out to somehow be an illegal kill...will I be prosecuted? "He told me it was over 50 inches..."

I think we might all be shocked if we really understood the risks we take when putting our lives and reputations in the hands of an outfitter. A bad one can ruin your life, at least in the short term. The good ones are there, too...thank heaven for that.

From: Bullshooter
02-Aug-15
Yes if anyone has a link to the updated info please share. Bou says the lion was killed legally, contrary to early reports.

I want to set the record straight if the topic comes up, and I don't expect the media to be much help. The best link would be a retraction from a news outlet that originally stated that laws were broken.

From: DL
02-Aug-15
It will not matter if everything was done legally now. The media did the damage and you will Never see the media come out and post any rebuttal. Even if some did the vast majority of people will remember Jimmy Kimmel crying.

From: Bou'bound
02-Aug-15
I did not say it was killed legally I said it would not matter if we found out it was. The damage is done, the message is out, and the anti's don't care about legal or illegal they only care about anilas dying at the hands of hunters. have ytou ever seen an anti support legal hunting and only fight against poaching? no.

From: David A.
02-Aug-15
I wonder what the logic was in banning bowhunting? That it is not as easily detected as rifle shots? Anyway, the lion was killed by a rifle...

From: Zbone
03-Aug-15
"Anyway, the lion was killed by a rifle"

Again I'll ask - But was it wounded first by a bolt or arrow?

From: Ollie
03-Aug-15
This is not surprising. It permits a lot of officials to say "we took care of this problem" and we can now move on to the next outrage.

From: Pig Doc
03-Aug-15
Arrow. And the latest is that the follow up shot was with an arrow too - not that it matters.

From: Sage Buffalo
03-Aug-15
Come on guys I can't believe you still don't understand the story.

No one can bowhunt or hunt dangerous game around the park without first paying the director $5,000 under the table. Then he will smile and let you hunt.

Thought you guys would have been able to read through the lines!

It's Africa where everything is illegal until it isn't.

From: David A.
03-Aug-15
Well it seems like the "facts" keep changing...

From: bb
03-Aug-15
That's why this whole outrage thing is nonsensical.

From: Trial153
03-Aug-15
there will be plenty of guys willing to fork over the 5K under the table...all the while being secretly happy that access is even more limited. After all money paves the way to everything.

From: mn_archer
04-Aug-15
"There you go BPM. Your buddy got us all banned from Zim. This is the point I have been making on the Ashamed thread. They are not going to wait to see if Palmer broke any game laws. Bad actors ruin it for all of us."

Seems you aren't going to wait to see if he broke any laws before passing judgment either...

If he broke any laws then he needs to suffer the consequences, but don't for one second think this has anything to do with Dr Palmer

michael

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