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Stem cell therapy?
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Contributors to this thread:
MOfarmer 01-Dec-15
snapcrackpop 01-Dec-15
IdyllwildArcher 01-Dec-15
EIStone 02-Dec-15
MOfarmer 03-Dec-15
snapcrackpop 03-Dec-15
Florida Mike 03-Dec-15
tobinsghost 04-Dec-15
jjs 04-Dec-15
EPO 04-Dec-15
Aaryashah 19-Apr-18
Thornton 19-Apr-18
elkmtngear 19-Apr-18
ELKMAN 19-Apr-18
ohiohunter 19-Apr-18
elkmtngear 19-Apr-18
ohiohunter 19-Apr-18
elkmtngear 19-Apr-18
creed 19-Apr-18
ohiohunter 19-Apr-18
Ken22 19-Apr-18
earlyriser 19-Apr-18
JasonInIowa 19-Apr-18
decoy 19-Apr-18
Deertick 19-Apr-18
ohiohunter 19-Apr-18
Franklin 21-Apr-18
buc i 313 22-Apr-18
decoy 08-Sep-18
Somi 09-Sep-18
Dale06 09-Sep-18
bombero 09-Sep-18
the_runner 09-Sep-18
houndy65 10-Sep-18
From: MOfarmer
01-Dec-15
I was wondering if anybody has had stem cell therapy in their knees? I am 57 and facing partial knee replacement(both knees)and was told about the stem cell therapy as an alternative treatment. Thanks for your reply's.

From: snapcrackpop
01-Dec-15
Joe Rogan & MMA rave about it. I don't know how many thousands a shot it is. . . .

01-Dec-15
Go talk with someone who specializes in it. Not many people do it. The ones that do will be able to give you the best info on it and tell you if you're a candidate and the pros/cons.

From: EIStone
02-Dec-15
Just had a segment on channel 2 news here in Pittsburgh about a week ago about stem cell shots in the knee.They get the cells out of fat removed from your body and inject it back into your knee.They said it takes about three hours total and the results so far have been excellent.Total cost was 7,000.00. Looking into it for my wife, she had one knee replacement that has not worked out well and now the other knee is bad.

From: MOfarmer
03-Dec-15
I don't think any insurance co.'s will cover stem cell therapy.

From: snapcrackpop
03-Dec-15
"Alternative" doesn't usually get positive attention by insurance companies...

From: Florida Mike
03-Dec-15
About $3k per shot in Florida. Mike

From: tobinsghost
04-Dec-15
Go to Mexico..JUST KIDDING!!

From: jjs
04-Dec-15
just tell them you are a refugee and should be free. I looked into it myself and the cost is high but if you can put it off for several yrs the ins.co. may pick it up.

From: EPO
04-Dec-15
There's two general types of therapies, true Stem Cell and PRP (platelet rich plasma). There's some evidence out there supporting both of them intra-articularly for knee pain instead of steroids or hylaronic acid.

Generally PRP is cheaper and is a 3 injection series. If you shop around and be upfront with the doc that your paying cash you can usual get a deal. I'd try smaller sports medicine clinics.

The biggest issue I see is if your at the point of needing a replacement, you may be beyond the scope of the injections helping. A lot depends on what your issues are, and thats something for your doctor to figure out.

From: Aaryashah
19-Apr-18

Aaryashah's Link
Stem cell therapy is in all of us and as we grow older or injured our body sometimes cannot get enough of these cells. Stem cell therapy precisely delivers a high concentration of stem cells into the injured area and helping your body in the process of healing. It is known that patients experience very little downtime. You can read more about stem cell therapy on Regenorthosport.com Dr. Movva is board certified in Pain Management and incorporates his unique training into a minimally invasive, non-surgical approach.

From: Thornton
19-Apr-18
Research it real good. Some of that is quackery. When I was diagnosed with MS back in 2011, I got a transplant and wished I'd saved my $8,000. Research now shows the type I got just decreases inflammation, something I could have gotten from IV steroids

From: elkmtngear
19-Apr-18
Stem Cell plus high density platelets is optimum. My Daughter had it done for a hip injury she sustained in Marine Infantry Training.

I've seen a lot of knee patients that had knees done both surgically and with stem cell...the stem cell knees are getting great reviews!

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: ELKMAN
19-Apr-18
Stem cell as in PRP? Or as in full blown stem cells? I wasn't even aware we were doing that in this country yet???

From: ohiohunter
19-Apr-18
Jeff, can you elaborate a little on your daughters injury and her results? I have SI dysfunction and more often than not it causes me terrible pain.

From: elkmtngear
19-Apr-18
James, Holli ripped her labrum (the lining inside the "ball and socket"). She continued to train on the injury and PT on it for two years before she finally got an MRI to confirm it, so there was a lot of "compensatory" muscles and tendons that were damaged as well.

They harvested platelets and stem cells, and did a series of injections over the course of several days. There was little down time, just a couple weeks of "light duty". She has slowly regained nearly full function in the leg after about a Year of Physical Therapy and just training and stretching on her own.

The labrum repair is solid! Made a believer out of me, I'm getting PRP (Platelet Injection) in my right shoulder in couple weeks, for a labral tear.

From: ohiohunter
19-Apr-18
Nice, good for her and good for you! Selfishly I was hoping her injury was similar to mine to give me some hope. I've had prolotherapy but never inter-articular, the SI is so hard to hit w/ a needle even ultrasound guided injections fail to get into the joint. But I'll explore the option if the opportunity ever presents itself, thank you and hope your therapy is every bit as effective as your daughters!

From: elkmtngear
19-Apr-18

elkmtngear's Link
James, see link. This is the same outfit that did Holli's stem cell injections.

From: creed
19-Apr-18
I have had PRP for a torn rotator cuff. Two small ones and a 40% tear in the subscapularis. Complete healing. The other shoulder is completely shot and beyond hope but I have been getting PRP injections for pain. My insurance has covered it so far. It is something that I have had great results with and would recommend to any one with issues.

From: ohiohunter
19-Apr-18
Thats awesome, it may require a flight but I'm def interested in getting my life back! Thank you again

From: Ken22
19-Apr-18
James (ohiohunter) , are you talking about SI lower back ?

From: earlyriser
19-Apr-18
My father had this done to his lower back. Seems to have worked really good.....or at least he quit complaining about the pain:)

From: JasonInIowa
19-Apr-18
I have an Outpatient Therapy clinic and we are starting to see some insurances cover some of the cost. Studies are showing good results and it's cheaper for them to pay on 7K than 50K. I do know that you have to see the specialist and be evaluated and if your knee is to far gone it will not help you.

From: decoy
19-Apr-18
My Doctor has given my knees cortisone shots over the years and a couple months ago mention that maybe I should try some other pain management. They coderize 4 nerves that tells the brain it hurts. Wala, pain gone. Go in nx Tues for the other knee.

From: Deertick
19-Apr-18
As is often the case on the Internet, as a physician, I have to interject an important disclaimer: The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

From: ohiohunter
19-Apr-18
Ken, yes and no. The si is the sacro illac joint, very small range of motion joint between the sacrum and the pelvis. The erector muscles attach to the sacrum, the imbalance of the lower back muscles do pull on the unstable joint. The si injury was from a car accident.

The ligaments were strained and have yet to regain their strength. The muscles basically shift the sacrum. Most times my right leg is shorter than my left. There is also a small muscle crossing the joint called the piriformis which can also become inflamed, piriformitis.

From: Franklin
21-Apr-18
Between the Steroids and the weed I wouldn`t rely on ANYTHING Joe Rogan says...Lol Insurance companies don`t pay for the $7000 shots because 95% of the people will STILL need the replacement surgery.

If you are to the point of replacement you`re just kidding yourself that a shot of ANYTHING will solve your problem. These shots may have an effect early on in a joint that is failing....but after the damage is done you don`t have many choices.

From: buc i 313
22-Apr-18
I reviewed / read about the stem cell shots for my torn rotator cup, Two (2) separate tears, a slippage of arm downward. I opted for surgery on 5-21-18.

Stem cell therapy is in it's infancy and considered "experimental" Personally, I'm not going to experiment on my shoulder, especially at age 75.

I need to get ready / able physically for the upcoming bow season !

:^}

From: decoy
08-Sep-18
Well the no pain is gone and back to pain..darn!

From: Somi
09-Sep-18
I had PRP treatment completed in April to my left knee. I had to do something after I completed a Bezoar hunt in Turkey. I was barely able to get up the mountain and the the plain flight there and back was excruciating. The treatment with pt cost me $3000. It took an hour and was uncomfortable but not painful. 5 months later and I’m almost pain free with full range of motion. Leaving for a hunt in Ukraine on Tuesday so will get to truely test it out. I highly recommend over a surgical treatment.

From: Dale06
09-Sep-18
I know nothing about it, but there is a radio show in Denver that has an attorney on it. He says the stem cell treatments from chiropractors is a fraud in that they do not use live stem cells. And that only certain doctors can get legitimate stems for traetment. Again, I know nothing about it, but I sure would talk to one or more medical doctors. FWIW, my brother who is 63 has had both knees replaced and said it’s the best money he ever spent . Good luck.

From: bombero
09-Sep-18
I’m sorry, 8 don’t know much about stem cell therapy, but I do know a little about knee surgery. I’ve have 7 surgeries on my right knee, from an ACL reconstruction in 1993, several meniscus repairs, micro-fracture in 2005, and finally had a total knee replacement in 2016.

If you’re active and still hun5, I would recommend against having a partial knee replacement and lean towards a full knee. I was 59 when I got mine, and two years later, my kne is very good. I do training hikes it’s 50 lb packs, zero pain or swelling.

My Ortho basically said that partials are for older, non-active seniors who are look8ng for pain relieve only. I would really look at total knee replacements if you’re go8n* to be active in hunting.

From: the_runner
09-Sep-18
I had stem cell injections in three of my discs. Marrow was taken from my hip, stem cells extracted from that then injected into the discs.

From: houndy65
10-Sep-18
Great post, can't hurt to ask your fellow hunters.

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