Ripcord Arrow Rests
Would you know where to shoot?
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
BB 01-May-16
Scoot 01-May-16
onetohunt 01-May-16
Ziek 01-May-16
greg simon 01-May-16
cnelk 01-May-16
APauls 01-May-16
WapitiBob 01-May-16
Ziek 01-May-16
Charlie Rehor 01-May-16
Jaquomo 01-May-16
Unit 9er 01-May-16
IdyllwildArcher 01-May-16
cnelk 01-May-16
midwest 01-May-16
Aaron Johnson 01-May-16
midwest 01-May-16
WapitiBob 01-May-16
oldgoat 01-May-16
IdyllwildArcher 01-May-16
midwest 01-May-16
Huntcell 01-May-16
midwest 01-May-16
tradmt 01-May-16
Aaron Johnson 01-May-16
drycreek 01-May-16
IdyllwildArcher 01-May-16
JTV 01-May-16
Unit 9er 01-May-16
Bowfreak 01-May-16
ElkNut1 01-May-16
AZBUGLER 01-May-16
Cazador 01-May-16
LBshooter 01-May-16
ElkNut1 01-May-16
5575 01-May-16
cnelk 01-May-16
ohiohunter 01-May-16
WapitiBob 01-May-16
snapcrackpop 01-May-16
Brun 02-May-16
IdyllwildArcher 02-May-16
Well-Strung 02-May-16
Amoebus 02-May-16
Bloodtrail 02-May-16
BigRed 02-May-16
Z Barebow 02-May-16
Scoot 02-May-16
>>>---WW----> 02-May-16
midwest 02-May-16
WapitiBob 02-May-16
MagKarl 02-May-16
wkochevar 02-May-16
Ziek 02-May-16
Glunt@work 02-May-16
Cazador 02-May-16
Ziek 02-May-16
ohiohunter 02-May-16
Glunt@work 02-May-16
BB 02-May-16
WapitiBob 02-May-16
cnelk 02-May-16
WapitiBob 02-May-16
cnelk 02-May-16
IdyllwildArcher 02-May-16
Ziek 03-May-16
elkmtngear 03-May-16
Brun 03-May-16
Beendare 03-May-16
Beendare 03-May-16
carcus 03-May-16
Trax 03-May-16
ohiohunter 03-May-16
Fuzzy 03-May-16
ELKMAN 03-May-16
spookinelk 03-May-16
Whip 03-May-16
carcus 03-May-16
IdyllwildArcher 03-May-16
midwest 04-May-16
TD 04-May-16
elkcrzy1 04-May-16
WanaB 05-May-16
Barty1970 06-May-16
Barty1970 06-May-16
Shiras 06-May-16
Mad_Angler 06-May-16
WanaB 06-May-16
midwest 07-May-16
Barty1970 09-May-16
Phil 10-May-16
ohiohunter 10-May-16
Trax 15-Aug-16
ELKMAN 15-Aug-16
cjgregory 15-Aug-16
ohiohunter 15-Aug-16
LINK 14-Aug-19
From: BB
01-May-16

BB's embedded Photo
BB's embedded Photo
This is a photo I just posted on my Facebook page. And I got to thinking, that it would be a good photo to post here and let those of you interested, in discussing where to shoot this bull. I would bet there's a ton that don't know the best place to put an arrow if they had this opportunity.

Where would you want yours placed. Or would you pass?

Have a great bow hunt. BB

From: Scoot
01-May-16
Bill good to see you post this! This one is very easy for me- I would not take that shot. I'd wait for more broadside or more frontal.

From: onetohunt
01-May-16
I agree with Scoot.

From: Ziek
01-May-16

Ziek's embedded Photo
Ziek's embedded Photo
I'll risk getting flamed. This bull was at about that angle, maybe just a bit more broadside, but not much, and with his head down drinking. It was also only 15 yards. The arrow passed close to just behind the shoulder joint and through the top of the heart. He only went about 10 yards after the hit. The shoulder is farther forward than most think.

I've also killed deer at that angle, though I don't worry so much about the bones. They're pretty small.

From: greg simon
01-May-16
At 20 yards or less straight up the onside front leg about 6 inches above the black hair. Over 20 yards wait.

From: cnelk
01-May-16

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Im shooting right here. Arrow will sink to the fletching. Bull will keel over within 75yds

From: APauls
01-May-16
I'd aim a couple inches under cnelk to be about even laterally with the front of the "<". Under 20 yards.

From: WapitiBob
01-May-16

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I made that exact shot at 9 steps with a Spitfire mechanical. I was just watching my pin sitting there, tight in the < waiting for him to turn and relaxed a little too much. The shot went off and he was on the ground in about 2 seconds. He didn't go 30 yards.

From: Ziek
01-May-16
Both shots depicted are close enough to get the job done.

"Arrow will sink to the fletching."

You need to shoot a heavier arrow. ;-) Mine went clean through.

01-May-16

Charlie Rehor's embedded Photo
Charlie Rehor's embedded Photo
Always like to post this photo on these threads! C

From: Jaquomo
01-May-16
Thanks, BB! Great to see you back among us!

From: Unit 9er
01-May-16
I'm shooting where Ziek shot! Well done, Great bull.

I just watched a hunting show the other day, the guys are down to their last day...

Big bull comes in more severe an angle than that. Bull is still, looking right at him. Shooter is around 40 yards away (best guess on the arrows flight) and he's full draw.

I'm sitting on my couch saying "he's not going to shoot him at that angle, surely".

Surely he did, the arrow flies and the bull has time to spin away, but the arrow finds a home high and back and the bull goes down.

Those guys were lucky. This looks like a dead bull.

01-May-16

IdyllwildArcher's embedded Photo
IdyllwildArcher's embedded Photo
Dead bull if it's a close shot. If only they'd look away like that when I was actually hunting...

From: cnelk
01-May-16

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cnelk's embedded Photo
Anywhere in the circle should do it

From: midwest
01-May-16

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midwest's embedded Photo
Just trying to visualize the bone structure here. Would this be about right?

Great thread, Bill.

01-May-16
Nick - is that a sock? LOL!

From: midwest
01-May-16
Bite me, Aaron....never said I was an artist! lol

From: WapitiBob
01-May-16
I would tilt the top of the scapula back a bit more but yea I think you're pretty close. I could see the bones and the flat made by the thin muscles of the < real clear on the bull I shot.

From: oldgoat
01-May-16
If I was close enough, and I'm talking real close like ten or less, maybe, I shoot my stickbow pretty good but wouldn't be confident enough from any farther

01-May-16
I'm thinking Nick's bones are just a tad large.

From: midwest
01-May-16
So you're saying I'm big boned? Isn't that just a polite way of saying I'm fat?

From: Huntcell
01-May-16
Take BB along with ya, animals look the other way when they see his mug!!! Couldn't resist Buddy! } >>>>~~~~~>

From: midwest
01-May-16
I was just trying to draw the general area or "zone" where the leg bone and scapula are located within. All that really matters is staying just to the right of that "<".

And I can agree with Bob....the top of the scapula should be tilted back another couple inches.

Just wondered if I was visualizing this correctly. Now Bill will come on and say we should be aiming in front!

From: tradmt
01-May-16
Pass

01-May-16
By the way, I shoot if I'm at comfortable yardage. No brainer for me...

From: drycreek
01-May-16
I'm not an elk hunter, but I took that shot on a whitetail doe once. I don't know where the arrow hit, but it didn't hit where the red dot is, although that's where I aimed. To be fair, she busted me drawing, I held as long as I could, but she was wired ! The arrow went completely through and she hauled ass. The arrow just had a smear of blood on it and smelled like fresh venison, so I figure muscle hit only and a wiser doe. I would pass on that shot now, and have a few times since.

01-May-16
I took this shot on a deer once at 8 yards off the ground. I aimed tight to the bone and hit right where WapitiBob's bull's eye is. Deer bounded twice to 20 yards, turned to see what the noise was, and fell over dead.

From: JTV
01-May-16
Pass with a bow, kill it with a .300 win ...

From: Unit 9er
01-May-16
Him being turned away is the key, the vitals are open!

From: Bowfreak
01-May-16
If it's top pin it's a no brainer....I shoot Brad's dot or maybe just underneath it.

I would bet my paycheck Bill Allard would shoot that shot.

From: ElkNut1
01-May-16
Hey Bill, good to see you're still out there kicking the tires! (grin) I could kill that bull where he stands to 35 yards but age has gotten the better of me & I'm much more patient & selective these days, I'll wait a few seconds for a higher odds angle, from his position he has no idea I am there. ----- Great to see you're still at it bud!

ElkNut1

From: AZBUGLER
01-May-16

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Thirty yards or closer. Tough shot without much margin for error. Honestly, I believe I'd wait in this scenario but if it was the only shot I thought I might get, I'd take it.

From: Cazador
01-May-16

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I don't need an elk that bad. Some of those shots look like they are right on the cusp of the shoulder. It's easy to sit here and look it over, actual encounter in the woods, nope, I let him turn a bit either way.

You can see the bottom of the shoulder right here.

From: LBshooter
01-May-16
Never having hunted elk, but, what about a neck shot ?

From: ElkNut1
01-May-16
LB, 100% no way! Your odds of killing an elk via neck shots is off the charts with archery equipment! Stay away from that shot bud!

ElkNut1

From: 5575
01-May-16
I'd wait, for a bigger bull to give me a better shot. :)

From: cnelk
01-May-16

cnelk's embedded Photo
cnelk's embedded Photo
This is my take of the bone structure in this bull's position

From: ohiohunter
01-May-16
Neck shot on any 4 legged animal with a bow is a very poor choice. Its a bow, not a rifle.

Personally IMO this is a low odds shot. Sure its executable but unless you're close and can think straight at the time I'd pass on this angle keep the bow drawn for a better angle. If he busts me, well that was one hell of a ride.

At this angle I would be surprised if you didn't get into the guts even w/ a well placed arrow.

From: WapitiBob
01-May-16

WapitiBob's embedded Photo
WapitiBob's embedded Photo

From: snapcrackpop
01-May-16

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If I could PLACE my arrow where I wanted, I'd pick this spot.

From: Brun
02-May-16
I think I would wait for him to turn. If he doesn't offer a higher percentage shot the best place to put that arrow is back in your quiver.

02-May-16
Cnelk's bones, despite being super gay, are a bit better.

From: Well-Strung
02-May-16
I'd wait. He either is going to get closer or turn broadside to leave. Either way a better shot is soon to come.. Is it do able yes but so is waiting.

From: Amoebus
02-May-16
No.

Who has taken that shot, hit/broke the leg bone and didn't find the elk? Looks like if you are 1-3" to the left, you are hitting a large bone. Looks like if you are 1-3" to the right, you might get 1 lung/liver and a lot of gut.

From: Bloodtrail
02-May-16
I was with my buddy in MT and he took this exact shot at 20 yards. Actually, the bull was turned more straight on. And when the bull turned to look over his shoulder he drew and shot. His arrow entered about where Idyl's mark is and buried itself in the opposite femur.....completely inside the bull.

His bull ran 60-70 yards, stopped, wobbled for a bit and crashed.

I would not hesitate to take the same shot if presented.

From: BigRed
02-May-16
I'd probably take the shot many have pointed out. The smarter elk hunter who has several bulls notched on his belt would likely wait for a better shot given the situation.

This is a bull not under stress in an opening with little cover. Several shots are about to open up. He could continue to turn giving a full broadside shot. He could turn completely giving a quartering away shot. He could lose interest in what's behind him and continue on the path bringing him even closer where shot placement will be much easier. This should be a dead bull...

Great photo BB!

From: Z Barebow
02-May-16
If you look at Caz's blue line, he has the bottom of scapula outlined exactly. (Look at shadow line on previous post)

For me, 10 yards and at full draw, the arrow is launched. For me, anything longer than that I am waiting. But that is knowing my own personal limits.

It is obvious that bull doesn't have a clue that danger is ahead. If he is out of my comfort zone, there is very little risk is waiting for a closer shot.

From: Scoot
02-May-16
"The shoulder is farther forward than most think."

I know where the bone structure lies and I would pass. Some seem to think that knowing the bone structure of an animal gives them free reign to take a shot no matter what position an animal is in. In fact, I believe knowing the bone structure of an elk (or other animal) allows me to better know when to pull the reigns back and wait for a better shot.

I think the majority of the shots identified above would hit the on-side lung and miss the off-side lung. That's not a shot I'm interested in. I'm not bad mouthing any who said they'd take the shot and I am not trying to sound "holier than though" here, I'm just giving my opinion and thoughts on this.

Thanks for starting the discussion and posting the pic, Bill!

02-May-16
I've made that shot in the past where others have marked the photo. Very effective and they won't go very far. But personally, I'd rather pass and wait for a better angle. I hate to take the chance of messing up a good shoulder roast on those V shots.

From: midwest
02-May-16

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All due respect, but isn't Caz's line way too low? That shoulder hump is created by the top of the scapula and it seems Caz's line doesn't line up well with the back edge of that hump.

Not arguing for or against the shot, just trying to learn.

From: WapitiBob
02-May-16

I believe BB's intent is to get us to think about anatomy and what it is we're trying to achieve. After a few years of listening to BB and replaying the results of my shot, I want a 3 blade head going to the center of the lungs where the arteries come off the heart. That required moving my aim point forward. In the above illustration and the shot I took, that's exactly where my broadhead went.

From: MagKarl
02-May-16
Anatomy class is back in session! Thank you BB for your invaluable educational contribution to the bowhunting community.

From: wkochevar
02-May-16
That bull is too small to shoot anyway..... ;-)

From: Ziek
02-May-16
Agree midwest. Caz's blue line is no where near the shoulder. I like snapcrackpop's line for the near edge of bone relative to where you should aim. Still, that shot is not for everyone, and probably not until you have some experience, and only at close range. It's NEVER wrong to pass on a shot you're not comfortable with, and I would never try to talk anyone into taking any shot. But some don't seem to be listening to the results. I had no issue with penetration and didn't hit the stomach. Double lung through the top of the heart. I've never seen a bull go down so fast, and I've killed a few. Is broadside better? Of course. But at 15 yards, my arrows usually go pretty close to where I point them, and being close to a bull doesn't cause me to wet myself anymore. It's lethal and doable, and it's probably equal odds that he'll wind you at that range and be gone without a shot, as turn casually more broadside.

Then there was this; "...and can think straight at the time..." Well duh. If you're not in control at the time of ANY shot, you should pass. And I know it was tongue-in-cheek, but still.

From: Glunt@work
02-May-16

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Glunt@work's embedded Photo
Dang! At least we know what he's looking at.

From: Cazador
02-May-16

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I didn't say that the line represents the "Bone" but it is clearly pointing out the muscle attached to said bone. To say it's way off, I don't think so. There is no "Way off on the V shot"

What I believe we're seeing is the shoulder and it's muscle protruding out because the bull is stretching, looking the other way.

Turn your head, and one of your shoulders slightly to the behind, you can feel the opposite shoulder pushing out. This is the same thing that's happening in this photo.

Look at Wapitibobs photo above, you can clearly see the shoulder and what it's doing. Now add some angle to it, and the fact the elk is turned and you will have what I explained above and that "V" turns into a "Mini V" really quick.

Low is key on the "V" shot and in my opinion, some of the placements above are flirting with disaster.

PS, I too have stayed at a hotel or is it motel 6?

From: Ziek
02-May-16
I think we're misinterpreting your line Caz. Is it POINTING at the humerus, or is the entire line representing the bottom edge of the scapula? If the bottom, left end of the line is pointing to the humerus, then I agree, it is a couple of inches from the TOP (Back) of it. Not the bottom of the shoulder as you stated.

From: ohiohunter
02-May-16
Glunt Blahahhaa, well if its a 2man set up and your partner throws out a warning shot like that on a perfect broadside shot I'd either get a new partner or make him fling 100+ arrows back at camp!

Or buy him a beer for distracting the bull for you to draw.

From: Glunt@work
02-May-16
Yeah...that was my...umm..buddy's shot. I've never blown a perfect opportunity like that..*nervous laugh

Blowing a shot like that could haunt a guy for months or years after the fact...whew...glad it wasn't me..heh.

From: BB
02-May-16

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BB's embedded Photo
The photo I first posted was certainly a very deadly pose if one was close and could hit EXACTLY in the right spot. But the margin for error was much greater than the margin for a sure kill. But a good hit in the right spot would bring him down within a few seconds. Fifteen years ago I would have taken it, but at my age and with a much lower poundage bow I personally would not take that chance.

Now for those that waited, here's how he turned. What would you do now?

Would you pass or do you think you know where to hit him for a sure kill? Again I am assuming 20 yards or less when I ask this question, knowing there are those that would shoot this shot from a farther distance.

Have a good bow hunt. And hello to all my old Bowsite friends. I am out many days a week, in the field, by recently just with my camera. I love it. Its so much like bowhunting!

BB

From: WapitiBob
02-May-16
Another dead bull.

From: cnelk
02-May-16
Shirt pocket shot

From: WapitiBob
02-May-16
yep, cake

From: cnelk
02-May-16

cnelk's embedded Photo
cnelk's embedded Photo
This spot for me

02-May-16
A little bit right or left is a what I'd prefer. Quick kill if you do it right.

Alert bull staring at you at 30 yards? Bad idea IMO. That bull lurches to it's left and you're hitting big bone.

Under 20? He's gonna die quick.

From: Ziek
03-May-16
Well, if I was already drawn, he'd already be dead. I doubt there's much chance he'll stand there and let me get away with it now.

From: elkmtngear
03-May-16
Cnelk's mark works for me (at less than 20 yds)

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: Brun
03-May-16
This timing I'm shooting if it's under 20. Right at Cnelk's dot looks just right to me

From: Beendare
03-May-16

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I usually like to shoot animals lower 1/3rd when broadside...but its better to shoot higher when facing to avoid bone.

From: Beendare
03-May-16

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Same with this bull, I put it right in the oval opening in the elks skeleton. Trying to shoot behind the shoulder is bad idea IMO...as you probably only catch one lung

Of course it has to be close, a layup shot you can place perfectly without giving the animal time to move.

From: carcus
03-May-16

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Make sure your shooting a good broadhead and arrow if your taking that shot, no 300gr tipped with a 2"rage set ups. I took a very similar shot on a moose a few years ago, shot was 10 yards I missed my mark by a couple inches and hit the leg bone, fortunately I was shooting a QAD exodus and a fmj as the BH blew the bone into shards and I got 24"s of penatration

From: Trax
03-May-16
I have nothing to offer, just want to say I am very thankful for all the great knowledge here. This thread and others like it are the best thing on this site. I'm bow hunting elk for the 3rd time in my life and still have yet to take a shot. This info is not just entertaining but very educational for a novice like myself. Please continue.

From: ohiohunter
03-May-16
Nice Carcus, what condition was your BH in after this?

I just found out the exodus come in 125's now, KaBOom!

From: Fuzzy
03-May-16
having no elk experience, I wouldn't, but I can't fault those who would. I'd wait for him to turn a bit more and hit him in the crease, 2/3 of the way down from the withers.

From: ELKMAN
03-May-16
My shot placement would be sometime after he turned broadside... (Some of these home made bone structure diagrams are laughably inaccurate.)

From: spookinelk
03-May-16

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About right there on the second angle.

From: Whip
03-May-16
Certainly there are people who could make either of those shots and both would be deadly if perfectly executed. But I really think that the vast majority of hunters should pass.

The problem is that in the excitement of the moment most people have a tough time executing a perfect shot. A target is one thing - a bull elk at spitting distance is another. It's pure speculation on my part, but I would venture to guess that a fairly high percentage of hits on elk are more than a few inches off of the intended mark. Broadside or quartering away, that still works. Dead bull. But on these angles there is a very small margin of error and the results of a misplaced arrow will not be good.

The average hunter has a natural tendency to subconsciously shy away from bone structure. Even on broadside animals it is very common to hear that the hit was "just a little far back". The shots presented here require hugging tight to the bone and that is very hard for most people to do.

I've killed a number of elk, but I'm still passing. I've made some perfect shots on elk in the past, but I've also had some that were off the mark a bit. All resulted in dead elk, but only because I had good shot angles to work with. With the angles presented in these scenarios I very likely I would have lost some bulls.

I know some of you can make these shots. You have the experience, anatomy knowledge, shooting skills, and nerves of steel with a bull in your face. But there are a lot of guys that read these threads that can't reliably do it and we should be careful to help them make the right decision. Nothing will haunt thier dreams worse that a wounded and unrecoverable bull.

From: carcus
03-May-16
"Nice Carcus, what condition was your BH in after this?

I just found out the exodus come in 125's now, KaBOom!"

Broadhead was undamaged, couple nicks in the blades, thats it!

03-May-16
I agree with you Whip. I think that most guys shouldn't be taking either of those shots.

There's so many reasons: Yardage estimation being off due to animal size, shakes associated with an elk coming in on the ground towards you, etc.

But in all honesty, I'd rather an easterner who's shooting his first elk take a 20 yard frontal than a 70 yard broadside shot.

From: midwest
04-May-16
I'd take a 10 yard frontal over a 30 yard broadside any day.

From: TD
04-May-16
Obviously you folks have never thrown an axe through em.... =D

From: elkcrzy1
04-May-16
I still havent shot yet. Thanks Bill, glad youre here ! Gary S

From: WanaB
05-May-16

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Shot this bull at 30 yards. he went less then 30 yards and tipped over. This bull was positioned like picture number 2.

From: Barty1970
06-May-16

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Apologies if this is answered on another thread...but...is there a decent 3D representation of elk vitals?

Similarly, whilst I have used fellow Bowsiters images [with their permission of course] to reproduce life-size broadside elk vitals, where can I find the same dimensioned images for frontal practice?

The photo is of a sixty yard shot with an ST Magnum, large yellow circle is 14", smaller circle is 7"

Many thanks in advance

From: Barty1970
06-May-16

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Barty1970's embedded Photo
By way of example...it'd be great to have something like this for frontal practice

From: Shiras
06-May-16
I don't want to derail this elk thread, but I had the exact same angle on a bear from the ground on a 10 yard shot. The bear was dead in less than 5 seconds and went only 15 yds. That was my first experience with a "frontal" shot.

From: Mad_Angler
06-May-16
wannaB, nice shot. I assume that your picture shows the exit wound. Where was the entrance?

From: WanaB
06-May-16
Mad_Angler that was actually the entrance hole. I shoot QAD Exodus broadheads. The broadhead was just under the skin on the opposite side. So no exit hole

From: midwest
07-May-16
M_A, I think you and I were both fooled by WanaB's pic. I thought the head was to the right but it's actually to the left. ha!

From: Barty1970
09-May-16

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Using the dimensions I have taken from the broadside image, and using calculated matriculation and extrapolation [i.e. complete guesstimation!!!]...I offer this image for constructive discussion

[Apologies in advance; any errors and omissions excepted; all corrections greatly appreciated]

From: Phil
10-May-16
Yes Carcus' generalization on which broadhead not to use is spot on.....(heavy sarcasm) I love how the opinions on this forum fly around like biblical fact, too funny.

From: ohiohunter
10-May-16
Maybe next time he should put (sarcasm) behind his obviously sarcastic statement.

From: Trax
15-Aug-16
About time to do this for real. There was another thread a year ago about frontal shots and can't seem to find it...

From: ELKMAN
15-Aug-16
Scoot: "The shoulder is farther forward than most think." I know where the bone structure lies and I would pass. Some seem to think that knowing the bone structure of an animal gives them free reign to take a shot no matter what position an animal is in. In fact, I believe knowing the bone structure of an elk (or other animal) allows me to better know when to pull the reigns back and wait for a better shot.

I think the majority of the shots identified above would hit the on-side lung and miss the off-side lung. That's not a shot I'm interested in. I'm not bad mouthing any who said they'd take the shot and I am not trying to sound "holier than though" here, I'm just giving my opinion and thoughts on this.

Thanks for starting the discussion and posting the pic, Bill!"

I completely agree with --- Scoot^^^_____ Great to have these discussions just to get guys familiar with, and thinking about, the anatomy of the animal and the shot, but I'm afraid it also promotes a false sense of confidence and un ethical shot selection. Like Scoot said, that Bull is at an angle that you are likely to only get one lung and that is a NO NO especially on Elk.

From: cjgregory
15-Aug-16
Yes I would take that shot.

From: ohiohunter
15-Aug-16
I think we are due for a new thread and a few more pics. These threads are some of the most helpful on this board.

From: LINK
14-Aug-19
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