Black Gold Sights
Genesis no till drill
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
skookumjt 09-Aug-17
TMA1010 10-Aug-17
Mad_Angler 10-Aug-17
drycreek 10-Aug-17
XMan 10-Aug-17
TMA1010 10-Aug-17
XMan 11-Aug-17
drycreek 11-Aug-17
TMA1010 28-Aug-17
TMA1010 28-Aug-17
TMA1010 29-Aug-17
BOHUNTER09 29-Aug-17
Dozer 03-Dec-17
t-roy 03-Dec-17
Denmaster 20-Mar-18
skookumjt 21-Mar-18
Denmaster 21-Mar-18
Mark Watkins 29-Apr-19
Todd Harrison 29-Apr-19
Mark Watkins 29-Apr-19
Todd Harrison 29-Apr-19
skookumjt 29-Apr-19
loprofile 29-Apr-19
Skippy 29-Apr-19
Mark Watkins 29-Apr-19
RIT 29-Apr-19
Medicinemann 29-Apr-19
RIT 01-May-19
Todd Harrison 01-May-19
Mark Watkins 01-May-19
Mark Watkins 01-May-19
skookumjt 01-May-19
Mark Watkins 01-May-19
skookumjt 01-May-19
CodyLongmire 26-May-19
Zap 29-May-19
Kydeer1 29-May-19
From: skookumjt
09-Aug-17
I am considering getting a Genesis no till drill but there are no dealers in my state. I am looking for feedback from people who either have or have used one. Any positive or negative feedback would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to PM me if you like.

I would be using this primarily for small seed species like clovers or brassicas but would do some beans and corn early in the season.

Thanks for any input.

From: TMA1010
10-Aug-17
I just picked up the 5 foot version, 3 point hitch attachment this past summer. I planted some late soybeans with it and it works great. Super heavy duty piece of equipment. The drill ended up costing somewhere around $12k, but the new tractor I'm going to need to buy to pick it up is going to be a bit more expensive! I have a 57 horse Kubota that has never had an issue with anything, it's rated to pick up 3,800 lbs on the 3-point hitch and when I pick up the Genesis Drill the front tires come off the ground. I could probably get some suitcase weights and try to balance it out, but I need a new slightly bigger tractor for some other uses on the farm as well so it's a good excuse to pull the trigger on that. But just be aware, it's a heavy piece of equipment but it's a super solid, well though out foodplot drill. I'm excited to see what it does next spring in a no-till application of beans in corn stubble. I have no idea what I'll do with all of the time I'm going to save by not having to till the old corn twice before planting, but I'm sure I'll figure out something... :)

From: Mad_Angler
10-Aug-17

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From: drycreek
10-Aug-17
TMA, the weight and the $12k are the only reasons I haven't bought one !

From: XMan
10-Aug-17

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wow, 12K.... I could see if we were all farmers trying to make a living. LOL How about going old school, here's mine that I bought for 2K. Its an old JD, was a 10 that a friend cut in half. Works outstanding and built to last three lifetimes, has three different seed trays and depth adjustments etc. Just a thought on saving some major coin.

10-Aug-17
Bob, It looks like you are pulling that with an ATV?

If you have a tractor did you cut it down to fit in small plots? I would love to have one but have not seen the cost that low. Thanks.

From: TMA1010
10-Aug-17
Drycreek - don't get me wrong. It's a great piece of equipment, but make sure your tractor can handle it. I have a Sukup Wild Game Drill (basically a drill that will work on a tilled seedbed) and an old John Deere drill like the pic in XMan's post. They don't compare to what the Genesis will do, but it's heavy. Pat - I'll post some pics when I get home (in Nashville for the weekend - Wildhorse has been fun so far!!). Pics will be posted Sunday evening.

From: XMan
11-Aug-17
yes Frank I pull it with my ATV and sometime a friends tractor. Its a heavy SOB but easily maneuverable with either machine and something I can move on my own. At a total span of 6 feet from axle to axle it goes pretty much anywhere. Need to attend the auctions, that's where all this old equipment goes dirt cheap! The farmers dont want it :)

11-Aug-17
Thanks. Have not found anything locally.

From: drycreek
11-Aug-17
Hard to find anything when you live in the pine tree and cattle country. I've only ever seen one drill in my life in East Texas.

From: TMA1010
28-Aug-17

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The front cutter discs for no-till.
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The front cutter discs for no-till.
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The rear packer wheels.
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The rear packer wheels.
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The hopper with integral seed agitator.
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The hopper with integral seed agitator.
Guys - I finally got out to the farm and took a few pics of the Genesis 5. Like I mentioned before it's a beast of a piece of equipment. Built very solidly, but is heavy. I'll also say the guys at RTP Outdoors were fantastic to deal with.

From: TMA1010
28-Aug-17

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The stand legs for when in storage are very well designed.
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The stand legs for when in storage are very well designed.
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This baby weighs 1176 kg (just under 2,600 lbs) empty. I think it'll hold about 5 bushels of grain for planting, so figure another 250-300 lbs when fully loaded.
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This baby weighs 1176 kg (just under 2,600 lbs) empty. I think it'll hold about 5 bushels of grain for planting, so figure another 250-300 lbs when fully loaded.

28-Aug-17
That looks well built. What size tractor are you thinking you need?

From: TMA1010
29-Aug-17
I think it's more about the lifting capacity of the tractor on the 3-point arms. My Kubota L5740 (57 hp) was able to pick it up off the ground, but the problem was that the front end of the tractor came up with it. I may look at getting some suitcase weights for the front of the tractor, but I'd also been wanting an excuse to get another tractor so I can have the tiller hooked up to one and the drill hooked up to another and not have to switch between everything so often. Right now I'm checking out the used Kutbota M7040's (70 hp) - I think that would do the trick.

I know that the Genesis guys offer a hydraulic tire set-up that will assist with the lift and if a guy wasn't sure if his tractor could handle it that would be the way to go. Once it's in the ground it's no problem pulling it.

From: BOHUNTER09
29-Aug-17
Our local Rural King store has a 60 inch 3 point hitch Field Tuff seeder on sale now for about $1500. It looks pretty nice

From: Dozer
03-Dec-17
I bought a genesis eight with the no till cultures they are not made right they turn at an angle and dig a furl which leaves the seabed wide open exposing the seed The guys from Genesis came to look at it said there was nothing they could do not very impressed

From: t-roy
03-Dec-17

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Here’s a pic of my McCormick 7’ drill with 2 seed boxes that I got off Craig’slist for $300. Seemed to work very well. I used it for the first time this year, so I’m just starting to get it figured out.

From: Denmaster
20-Mar-18
TMA1010 - the pic with the front cutter discs, is that standard equipment or are those the optional pre-cutting discs listed in their brochure?

From: skookumjt
21-Mar-18
Those are not the optional add on cutting discs.

From: Denmaster
21-Mar-18
Thanks skookumjt. In Aug, you were looking into a Genesis no-till drill. Did you ever get one and what is your experience with it if you did? I'm considering the Genesis 3 for a three point hitch. I have a 39 HP Kubota which looks like it should be able to handle it. If those cutters on the photo are standard, then I don't see that the optional pre-cut discs are necessary. Those cutters would be a "pre-cut" for the "V" shaped discs that the seed drops in.

From: Mark Watkins
29-Apr-19
any more feedback/experience out there on the Genesis No Till Drills?

Mark

29-Apr-19
I have a genesis 5 - purchased in late fall of 2017. I have a small business part time doing plots for guys in Indiana and Illinois and that helped me justify the price. I have it on a Kubota mx5200 with a loader and have had no issues lifting it. It’s really a great piece of equipment if you are doing several acres and has saved me a ton of time. I have planted beans through clover and native grasses and have been very pleased

From: Mark Watkins
29-Apr-19
Thanks Todd.

How well does it cut through thatch and work in a true "no till" scenario?

If and when you're going to fertilize, you still have to broadcast and disc it in and then plant?

Mark

29-Apr-19
I always spray everything off dead and come back week or two later - but trust me this drill is heavy and definitely get the front cutters and you will not have any issues

From: skookumjt
29-Apr-19
I ended up buying the 5'. Way too heavy for my 50 horse Kubota. It would lift it as long as I had the loader attached but broke the three point lift arms repeatedly then broke the rear end housing.

I bought a bigger frame tractor and it's better.

I've had fair luck planting with the drill but have really struggled to plant shallow enough for clovers and brassicas.

From: loprofile
29-Apr-19
Plenty of videos and acolades (paid I'm sure) on Growingdeertv.com

From: Skippy
29-Apr-19

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You ever think about a land pride APS? I have a 1572, works great to overseed plots or pasture. Reasonable price also

From: Mark Watkins
29-Apr-19
Skippy, I need to plant 28 acres of beans (most years with rotation).

Mark

From: RIT
29-Apr-19
Todd 3 point lift capacity on the MX5200 24” behind the lift point is rated at 2310.

Genesis 5 with coulters is 2600 lbs empty. What am I missing here? Do you have an older 5200 or maybe a different model than what I am thinking?

I have a MX5800 HST (61 hp) with the same lift capacity and I wouldn’t try to pick up that drill. Just curious as to how your tractor is doing that.

From: Medicinemann
29-Apr-19
I am still astounded by the fact that there is a piece of foodplot equipment that some Bowsiters have purchased BEFORE Pat!!!

From: RIT
01-May-19
I just learned there is a genesis 5 “light” version. I saw it for sale on Tracotr House but nothing on RTP’s site. Also no info yet on the web about the weight. I have an email into RTP. I wonder if that is the drill Todd has?

01-May-19
I will check and see if weight of drill is in manual at my shop and provide some numbers. I did over 50 acres with it last year and didn’t have any lifting issues.

From: Mark Watkins
01-May-19
RTP also makes an 8' "light" version that is about 2,670 lbs vs the standard 8' is 3,803 Lbs. These are empty weights.

I just talked to Michael Mower, who runs RTP Outdoors yesterday...very informative and helpful. The "light" version is made for sandy loam soils (like mine).

Mark

From: Mark Watkins
01-May-19
skookumjt,

Why do you think you were having issues planting the small seeds?

When planting the small seeds did you have the drill on the most shallow planting setting?

Did you till or disc the ground first before planting?

Mark

From: skookumjt
01-May-19
Because the shallowest setting is .5 inch which is way too deep for clovers and brassicas.

From: Mark Watkins
01-May-19
skookumjt,

10-4.

Anyone else having this issue with the small seeds (clover, brassicas, alfalfas)?

Mark

From: skookumjt
01-May-19
I made spacers for the depth setting and think that will help. Holding the machine up with the three point is very hard in the tractor and creates skip in the seeding when you have uneven ground.

26-May-19
You should be able to adjust the top link on your three point while the drill is in the .5 inch setting for clovers and brassicas to get it to the 1/8-1/4 inch depth. Picking up the 5 light first week of June unless anyone here knows of one for sale used or demo.

From: Zap
29-May-19
How do you guys handle applying fertilizer when using a no till drill to plant your food plots? Do you always just plant before a rain or are you still tilling the fertilizer in and then using the drill? thanks Brian

From: Kydeer1
29-May-19
I don't have a drill yet, but my plan would be to just broadcast fertilizer seperate from drilling the seeds

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