Here is my story.
I essentially went on an outfitted nature hike last year in Montana. In retrospect, I did learn a lot of what not to do things but my goal was really to learn how to hunt elk. Unfortunately that was not achieved.
Anyway, I’m really struggling with what to do next. I have 5 wyo points right now and was planning to do a guided wyo hunt but I’m kind of soured on the whole guided thing at this point so I’m considering a diy wyo hunt and just seeing what happens.. I don’t want to be in any Grizz areas, they scare the shit out of me..
I also want to Kill a moose and I’m looking at a Newfie hunt in the future so that takes away available money for a guided wyo hunt..
Looking for any and all possible advice
In the mean time I would explore other states to see what they have to offer.
2 - Do a DIY OTC hunt in Idaho [no elk left in Colorado] to get some more experience
3 - Keep saving for your moose hunt
If you want to learn how to hunt elk, go back and read every elk thread on Bowsite for the past 3 years. It'll take a lot of time, but you'll learn a lot. You either have to be taught or shown. Reading is a great way to learn since the offseason is 11 months long. Links aren't working, go to amazon and do a search for Public Land Elk Hunting. It's a good start.
I'd have to disagree with that statement. Find the areas that lie between the road hunters and the Sitka warriors and the hunting in a general area is worth every PP you have. I've been hunting the same general area for 33yrs. I've killed 25 elk and there's only been 4 yrs that I couldn't have killed an elk.
And now I’m unsure what my next step should be..
How should I go about determining which units are ”good” units? I have looked at some of the drawing odds and thought I was in the middle and could get a decent hint but maybe not
Aren’t there Grizz in Idaho?
I agree with midwest, it would provide the opportunity to put boots on the ground and get an idea what you're getting into. Its not like is very convenient to scout like "someone"^^ else does, about 1500mi is no joke.
Nope, never made a claim to that. Just gave a couple examples contradicting YOUR claim that 5 PP's are too much to waste on a general tag. That said, there are these caliber of bulls, and bigger, in general areas.
I'm not saying they're behind every tree. What I AM saying is you can have a quality hunt in a general area. As I've said, I've killed 25 elk in general areas. Between my hunting buddy, my son, and myself, we've killed approx 45 elk in a Wyoming general area. Some are big, some are small, some are cows.
Once again, you can throw all the opinion and insults you want. I actually have the real world experience to back up what I'm saying rather than throw crap against the wall and see what sticks. And you call ELKMAN arrogant? Gimme a break.
2. Second choice cow tag in same unit. Draw tag. Go hunt the cows and learn about the unit so when you do draw the bull tag you will be prepared. I've found that hunting cow elk every year is much better for your learning than just reading stuff. Another benefit of a cow tag is that you will have some unbelievable bull encounters. Point is, when you do draw your bull tag you will have experience in the unit and years of good meat in your freezer.
Also, if time and money allows and you are unsuccessful arrowing a cow (it ain't easy), you can always go back in rifle season with the same tag.
I have been happy following this strategy.
There are some excellent hunts in Wyoming but it seems like everything takes max points, or close to it. There is no middle ground. Find a place to hunt on a regular basis, whether it’s Wyoming, Colorado, Montana or Idaho. I hunted Wyoming three years in a row before I killed my first bull. And I’ve been hunting them for a long time. It’s a long learning curve without a mentor or partner to show you the way. Tons of trial and error! Or you could get lucky and shoot one the first morning.... it happens!!!
Lots of good info on here and really good guys. Paul Mendel “elknut” is always eager to help. Wyobullshooter, jaquomo, cnelk, Otcwill, bigdan, Elkman are all good guys that have good knowledge to share. There’s many others I’m not thinking of right now.
Maybe I should show you some booner bucks and tell you you can do this in ohio, of course you can but its not the norm especially for a non res w/ little experience... catch my drift? Based on your 1st post, what you proposed is misleading, must be in sales or politics. If you took anything I've said here as an insult... you're a special sort of sensitive.
At 5pts you've already passed the "hunt every 2 or3yrs" deal so might as well try your luck in the random draw and collect points (unless other circumstances are present). He's obviously not 100% opposed to a guided hunt so why not shoot for a wilderness guided hunt, yes grizz may be there but he may be comforted by the presence of an experienced guide. Either way his call. But a resident as yourself showing some of the best bulls taken (while omitting the lesser) is similar to Jaq guaranteeing a greenhorn a 300"+ OTC in CO. Theres a slight (insert sarcastic tone) advantage to a veteran RESIDENT elk hunter over the non res from the other side of the country... Right??? Correct me if I'm wrong.
So so sorry you were offended by the word "wasted".... and to think I thought most the guys here were conservative. Even more sorry for dealing w/ this crap. Nothing new for you and a few others to always jump my shit... its getting old.
Z, yes... yes I would! ...and my second, and third, and...
And please, post some pics of your Ohio booner bucks. It adds about as much to a thread about Wyoming elk as your previous posts. .
I've only posted real world results in response to the claim that 5 PP's are too many to waste on a general license. Just calling BS to BS. Of course, I only have 33 yrs experience in Wyoming general areas. And yes, I call arguing opinion vs real world experience arrogance. If you disagree, that only validates my claim. So be it. We'll keep putting tags on elk instead of complaining that 5 PP's are to many too waste on a general licence. Of course, that claim comes from someone that admits he's no expert. lol!
Here’s a pic of a WY general unit bull deertick and I chased this fall. Unsuccessfully I may add.
We saw more bulls than cows. Big bulls.
Also, don’t underestimate killing a cow elk. They are still part of the 10% club.
Once again certain bowsiters read and hear what they want only to fit their argument. Then others see the wagon coming and jump on. Never mind that others have echoed my sentiment yet I'm the bad guy b/c I said "wasted"! How many yrs experience, I didn't catch that the first 3 times.. say it again.... MIND you the op is GREEN... apples to oranges ring a bell?
Bullshooter - I think you’re overlooking your home field advantage. And don’t forget - just because it comes easily TO YOU doesn’t mean it’s not hard.
Knowing the country, being acclimated to the elevation.... having done it for 30-odd years...
Yes, there are big bulls on public land, but it’s a lot of land and not very many bills, so they’re not found on much of it.... and even if you figure out where they are, you’ve gotta figure out what to do next.
So it’s no real insult to an area to say that it would be tough sledding for a non-resident Noob to hunt there...
One thing im confused on is my current point level.. When i was looking with triple 3 a year or two ago, i thought the said they could take someone with 3 to 7 points, so i was kind of thinking i was in a good point range but doesn't sound like that is really the case?
I'll be back with more questions as i process this stuff..
I remember my 1st sexual experience....It was dark ....I was nervous...scared...and alone. LOL!
What I propose is that I, as a non partial but mildly experienced elk hunter, be brought to your camp in 2019 and after hunting for 10 days, detail my findings and judgement of general elk hunting in your Wyoming areas. I promise not to divulge your areas, only to report the hunt as it unfolds. I will even black out your face in the pics, if you'd like.
I am not available for the 2018 season, as I plan to burn my 10 NR Wyo. elk points in a unit I could draw with 6.....
Let me know when we need to start planning. Looking forward to our hunt!!!