Contributors to this thread:
Pat Lefemine's Link
Outfitter Reports - Wow!
Our outfitter reports have been outstanding this year. And by that I mean, honest, positive and negative reviews with several responses from the outfitters. Keep them coming. This is a valuable service to the hunting community, it helps us maintain a leadership position as a credible review site, and it has even helped many hunters get some recourse. The only downside is I get a lot of lawsuit threats but that doesn't bother me.
Just one request. When you fill out a positive outfitter review it's a big help to include a photo of your kill - assuming you got one. I noticed a lot of guys talk about great hunts and taking an animal they are proud of - but they leave off a photo. Please consider adding that.
Thanks again - Pat
Pat, how do you add a pic after the fact? I did my hunt back in May. Thanks....John
Rarely do outfitted hunts but the few I have done all have come from bowsite outfitter reports, outfitters that sponsor bowsite or bowsiters themselves.
The outfitter reports is what brought me to this site the first time.
Great way to pass time in the tree
Pat, I'd like to add one after the fact...is that possible?
WOW is right. It's amazing the amount of "hunters" that book hunts with these unheard of "outfitters" and some of the most negatively publicized outfitters and then provide a report of the terrible hunt they had. Damn some people are just plain dumb! Sometimes it's too good to be true and that great deal they got was for a reason.
How many guys will post a bad review for Whitetail Heaven next year? 76 hunters in camp? Just the name of the Outfitter alone would steer me away. Come on guys do your research before opening your check book.
Book a hunt with bowsite outfitters or ones recommended by regulars on this site.
I don't know of a better way to start looking at outfitters.
Ha! My buddy just returned from whitetail heaven! Left after day 2, should have checked bowsite!
I love the one star reports! 91.3% are cheap,rifle hunts. Seems the wronged Hunter discovers the Internet AFTER his hunt and some how finds Bowsite.
I'm not an outfitter but I do run a 14 ft CATARAFT smallmouth guide service on the mid Potomac,,I just can't imagine any guide hunting or fishing treating clients the way I've read on a few of the negitave reviews,,,its almost criminal,thousands of dollars lost,,dreams smashed,,vacation time lost...a nightmare to say the least,,,,Pat your having an outfitter reports are a great service...
Ernie Jablonsky, Montana Poacher
I always worry about unknowingly getting tied up with outfitters such as Ernie Jablonsky. Drugs, poaching, trespassing,....... and the hunters may not know they are now part of it. This is a good thread and Bowsite is an excellent source to review hunter/outfitter experiences.
The outfitter reviews are excellent on here. Keep up the good work on the site guys.
Thanks for passing along that article. I elk hunted with Ernie and Mitch two years ago and had a very good experience. Was planning on going back this fall if I got drawn.
I have a couple friends that outfit. To hear them talk, there should be a rating service that outfitters can look at before booking certain hunters ??
Jrb, i think xbowfromNY has some sort of rating system that people can refer to.
jrb, they do, but they are only effective on the second+ trips! One elk outfitter I used said he has turned returning hunters down. Some people just aren't worth the money to deal with!
What I find interesting is the negative reviews that say "outfitter sucked" and outfitter was not notified there was a problem. You have to give specifics, and you can't bash the outfitter on here if you don't first let him know there were problems. For outfitters rating hunters, a simple "I would" or "I would not" accept this client again would be sufficient. The problem with xblowfromnewyork's rating system is that it is too subjective.
As for Whitetail Heaven. Can someone explain why Peterson's Bowhunting did a great article a few years ago on such a bad outfitter?
Whitetail heaven at one time was a great u and coming Outfitter. As soon as they started bringing in TV hunters it all went down hill. They had a welcome Post one time on Facebook for the first time they were hosting Jackie Bushman or one of them clowns, I made the comment that it was the beginning of the end right there. Nasty grams ensued and was tossed from the page. Guess I was clairvoyant
Pat, Thanks for offering this service and thanks for reminding us that it's available. Jim
The Outfitter report has been a great resource for us to reference perspective clients to. We love It! Thanks Pat! Matt & Cheryl Shiloh Ranch Hunting Camp
I have a friend who has hunted with whitetail heaven 7/8 times and killed one 120" buck my friend tries to get me to go along every time I wouldn't hunt with them if it was free
Just took a look at the outfitter reports. It's painfully obvious that Whitetail Heaven has been monitoring this thread and they reached out to all of their successful hunters to write them a good review. Wonder how much of a discount on a return hunt they offered for doing a 5 star review? ALL of the most recent reports are for Whitetail Heaven and almost all are 5 star. LOL. Do your homework folks.
I would never hunt with them but then again I can hunt DIY in CO and KS for bigger WT deer.
Hey Quinn: I feel that your observation is valid. With that many reviews all at once it does seem to taint the process somewhat. Buyer beware !
Outfitter Lives Matter Too! :)
Some folks have different ideas of what they want out of a "hunt". Many it seems are more into the social/party atmosphere. They are on vacation. They want lots of people, wined, dined, a "resort" vacation. Hunting is something that passes the day, not the main purpose. They would give five stars on just the accommodations and social aspect. (especially if they do so publicly for a discount on the next vacation....)
Others would sleep in a leaky tent just themselves and their guide, eat cold food, walk till their lungs and legs burned...... for a good HUNT, Good opportunities on good animals. An adventure, not a vacation..... and give em 5 stars all week long and twice on Sunday even if they came back dead tired, cold, hungry..... and memories of a rare experience that but a relative handful of people on earth will ever have.
TD, You are probably correct. But I also think most expect their experience to closely match what was marketed to them.
My next door neighbor just hunted with Whitetail Heaven. Three of them hunted the same 240 acre farm the entire hunt. One day the wind was to be blowing into the bedding area and the hunters told the guide/driver about the wrong wind direction for those stands. His reply was the wind swirls here and just hunt the stands. Needless to say the hunt was a disaster.
brettpsu- have all 3 write a real review.
LOL! The last 13 reviews are for Whitetail Heaven...........................................guess they forgot to tell the guys to stagger their reviews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)
I told them to read the reviews on here and also leave a review.
When your running 250 plus hunters a year through your leases you bound to have a some good hunts. I wouldn’t drive within five miles of the place myself.
Yes Pat, this is an excellent service. Used it with great success myself. For fun I especially like to read the bad reviews with responses by the outfitter. Some of them are classic. My favorite is the one where a Canadian outfitter shows up at the airport drunk and a long story about how bad the trip went from there. Then the outfitter starts his response with, to paraphrase, "my 8 year old granddaughter has more sand in her ass than he does". Can't make this stuff up! But seriously, thanks for the great service.
I noticed the Whitetail Heaven barrage as well. Funny thing is he solicited his hunters for reviews but several of them were really bad, one and two star reviews. Several were good, as well, however. We let them slide but if we detect them trying to stuff the system then we put a lid on them. In this case, there was enough of a mix that we approved them all without prejudice.
Keep these reviews coming. This year has been tremendous for outfitter reviews and it provides a valuable service.
The best of the bunch was the one with the opening sentence that said “ My husband and I went down on our honeymoon”.
I will have to admit that one got my attention. Kind of gave new meaning to hunting during the rut.
LOL Bou. Why would you spend your honeymoon at a camp with 60 other overweight tree stand hunters.
Pat, it's probably better that you let it slide. All the positive reviews actually paint a pretty negative picture to the discerning eye. Your outfitter review section is a great resource and I think it's done very fairly.
I hope the lucky couple actually got a room at the lodge and they weren’t stuck on a cot in Travis mother’s basement...
LOL Trial......Can you imagine paying all that money for a hunt, seeing those magnificent lodges on the website and then being shown to your cot in Tevis's grandma's basement after you stood in line with 60 other dudes to get your buffet spaghetti meal?
You would know right then if you picked the right person.
Maybe Travis's G-ma has a nice basement and is a great cook!
Yea gourmet cooking for 56 hunters a week for 8 weeks I am sure the food is amazing........but you’d need a triage system just so everyone can take a dump in peace.
And the reports of awesome hunts at whitetail heaven are still pouring in. The one guy from Alabama did not even post comments, he just recommends the outfitter and gives them high marks. Come on Pat, make it stop!
I was there around Thanksgiving last month on a gun hunt. Did not talk to the outfitter about my experience so I didn't file a report. Like Trail153 I would not get within 5 miles of the place again.
Perhaps credibility and authenticity could be added by having the reviews specify wheth the Outfitter requested or encouraged the review be posted.It does ask if the Outfitter was notified of problems but does not specify if the review was posted as a courtesy to the Outfitter.most people when requested are selected clients and often post reviews often and usually are positive. Unsolicited reviews certainly would carry more credibility.