World Record 8 point
Whitetail Deer
MN 8 point ........ poached a few years ago! .......192 3/8 .... 28 inch inside spread, it would have been the best 8-point whitetail ever. A world record deer. Second place? 180-3/8", the score awarded to a South Dakota buck killed by Vernon Winter in 1965.
Sorry, not a very good pic.
http://www.theoutdoorsforum.com/forums/topic/26429-massive-8-point-buck-was-poached-in-mn/
Numbers don’t lie that’s insane. That pic though yeesh, obviously not a deer fanatic taking the pic. Could be a 120 I wouldn’t know
Really? Look at the fingers tight against the brow area. You have fun finding a 120 with that mass.
Awesome buck for sure! Too bad it was poached.
Agreed with M.Pauls. Definitely not a 120s, but a horrible pic to get much of a true perspective of how huge this deer really is.
Here's a couple replicas of the buck.
Yeah I was exaggerating with the 120 thing. I just can’t believe how horribly someone could photograph a buck that big lol. Those replicas definitely give you a better idea. WOW i just love big 4s!
Yeah, I knew the pic was terrible. Thanks Kodiak for finding a better pic.
The mass is incredible...reminiscent of the Jordan buck.
Wait a minute. The officer's ears are drooping.... Are we sure this is legit?!!!
Here’s some more info on the “white rock buck”
Wow!
I know of a 182" 8 point archery kill from northern Wisconsin that was never entered in any books...
Here it is with the cape on it. Not sure who's holding it, if it's the poacher or just an onlooker that came to see it before it was confiscated.
Outrageous 8-pointer!
Would love to see the score sheet.
Was he hunting with Bill Busbice or Spook Spann? Probably Chris Brackett. Rotten Bs everyone of em.
'..would have been the best 8 point whitetail ever...' It still is the best 8 pt ever. Its just not documented in a B&C record book. So what? It still exists...
Well the thing is, is that he robbed legit hunters out of the chance to legally harvest it. It was a known deer in the local bowhunting community. Dude shot it with a rifle and tried to pass it off as a bow kill. He also killed two bucks before this one and didn't tag either.
A real POS.
The present owner (Minnesota DNR?) can enter it in B&C as far as I know.
That’s a real beauty 4x Ohio. I think anyone would give a left nut to have a crack at that guy. Looks to be a Boone 4x. Hard to say exactly how big without having a real solid guess on mass. My guess on him is 165-170 giving his tines 5,13,12 but I can’t see if his off side is weaker
I don’t think he’d take the title, but that is a giant 8 pt! I killed a 168” 8 pointer and that deer is considerably bigger. Tine length is similar, but longer main beams and better mass for sure. I’d guess that 8 to be in the mid-upper 170s. Somewhat hard to tell from the pic. Any other pics of him?
Wow ohiohunter that's a monster 8.
I'll guess 180ish.
The late John Collins of James Valley Scents to my knowledge was the last owner I was aware of who owned the world's largest 4X4. The Buck was shot by a Hunter that I don't know the name of who'd shot it in S. Dakota in 1950. I personally held the AMAZING Rack and it scored, AND I do believe it was a net score of 200 1/8th!!! Surely someone else out there must know of that Buck. Sadly John passed away a few years ago and I don't know what became of his collection. I'll look into it more so over the next month and look forward to anyone else with knowledge of that Buck to post on here about it. Thanks
This one was killed on a farm next to mine by a gun hunter in 2016.....great genetics in the area.
Ohio, I think your buddy is pulling your leg. That deer is dead. He doesn't live next to public at all. That deer was killed by Jason sanders in logan county Illinois in December of 2011. Awesome deer killed by a honest dude under fair chase.
Helluva deer though. I was close with my 180ish guess, he netted 184 and change.
Some more pics and story!
Powder do you serve Au Jus with that crow.
I didn’t know there was a WR for 8 points... let’s take it one step further. I once had the world record whitetail by a right handed finger Shooter with one testicle.... 145” 10 point...lol all in fun
M.Pauls,that pic of ohiohunters 8 way bigger than 170. Hard to say this but it looks upper 180's the frame is a 120+ frame looks like which will cause some underestimation,imo
Genesis, I think you missed a few posts. He was definitely bigger than 170.
He also somehow managed to go back in time to 2011 and get shot in a different state. :)
Ohio, your boy was yanking your chain.
Ha,jokes on me too....sorry guys
Yeah Genesis, I was off too on my guess by quite a bit. It’s always tough when judging crazy big white tails, especially off one pic. I usually down play a little as I’m telling myself this angle has got to be messing with me as it seems to good to be true. Obviously this one was just pure big. It takes a heck of a deer to crack 160 as a 4. I included my tine length estimations in my first post. Once other pics and angles came up of him I realized this buck was in fact pure stud and I was way off on tine length as well as I think what I had in mind for main beams. I think I had him in my head averages of 5” circumferences which would probably be close, as an average, with the first being around 6 and the last around 4. I’m not always about the score number but it’s just such a testament to what some deer can do and I find it incredibly interesting. I’d love to see his score sheet. Absolute giant!
Yep,30 inch beams throws everything out the window as far a scale....ha He a Choota!! and we can pen and paper him later!
I held that record 8 point in my hands! The Conservation Officer that had control of the rack at the time invited me to her house to see them. It was two days before our Minnesota whitetail rifle opener. I remember saying, why am I even going hunting to look for a big buck after that! Been looking for that picture now after seeing this thread and damned if I can locate it. So, I figure to spend some of these below zero days we been having for a week to clean out some of my camera and computer photos!
Big 8s are special.... A 180 inch 8 walks up with Mel Johnson's buck and I'm sending the arrow toward the 8.
A big 8 is a special deal. Too bad it looks like this potential record was taken illegally.
Not wanting to highjack Pat's big 8-point thread, brought this one back to life... "World Record 8 point"
After researching, (I like doing this stuff, but man this sent me down rabbit hole, I have a lot of time in this...8^)) The original post and picture of the huge Minnesota clean base main frame 4x4, POACHED on Halloween 2009, officially NET scores 181-0/8" in B&C records placing it 3rd all time base main frame 4x4... It's owned by MN Dept. of Natl. Resc... Score Sheet: https://www.boone-crockett.org/scorechart/42767
Been all over these record scores and had created a computer file a few years ago on the biggest base main frame 8s (no 5x4 with G4 being a wash, or enough stickers to score NonTypical, the Hole-In-The-Horn was scored as a base 8) I listed the top 6 breaking the 180" mark that I could find as follows, and if I missed any please let me know... Thanks...
#1 is Lonnie Copeland's Buck, scores 185 7/8", rifle killed in Arkansas, November 15, 1992... Although this is not a true 4x4, but rather 5x5 with a broken G4 on the left side and G5 on the right side and so was B&C scored as a basic 8 point... It also has 4 stickers:
https://www.northamericanwhitetail.com/editorial/big-buck-profile-lonnie-copeland-arkansas-buck/262230
Score Sheet: https://www.boone-crockett.org/scorechart/3220
#2 Taken by gun hunter Jason Sanders shot on Dec. 1, 2011 in Logan County, Illinois the first day of IL second gun season, official B&C Typical NET score of 183-1/8... This is a true main frame 4x4... Score Sheet: https://www.boone-crockett.org/scorechart/43746
To me this one is the camp of all time 4x4s...
#3 the poached Minnesota buck photo in original post, it officially Typical NET scores 181-0/8" Typical... Word is it was a known deer in the local bowhunting community, and the guy shot it with a rifle and tried to pass it off as a bow kill...
1965 Vernon Winter Buck from South Dakota
1965 Vernon Winter Buck from South Dakota
Vic Bulliner's, gun kill from Hillsdale County Michigan on November 16th, 2001, grossed 184 1/8 and netted 180 3/8
Vic Bulliner's, gun kill from Hillsdale County Michigan on November 16th, 2001, grossed 184 1/8 and netted 180 3/8
Vic Bulliner's, gun kill from Hillsdale County Michigan on November 16th, 2001, grossed 184 1/8 and netted 180 3/8
Vic Bulliner's, gun kill from Hillsdale County Michigan on November 16th, 2001, grossed 184 1/8 and netted 180 3/8
#4 there is a tie of base main frame 8s of netting 180 3/8" at #4, the 1965 Vernon Winter Buck from Hand County, South Dakota and the Vic Bulliner's gun kill from Hillsdale County Michigan on November 16th, 2001...
The Vernon Winter Buck from SE Hand County, South Dakota was killed with one shot from a 30/30 carbine with old buckhorn iron sights from 250 - 300 yards away on 1/1/1965... It is currently (Dec 2024) tied 4th of all time B&C base main frame 4x4 with a NET Typical score of 180-3/8" with the Vic Bulliner Buck... The Vernon Winter Buck wasn't officially scored until 23 years later... The rack was sold during the 1980's and donated and currently on display at the National Wildlife Federation's headquarters in Vienna, Virginia... Detailed information provided by Vernon's grandson - Bowsite Handle: "Bwinter": https://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=504568&messages=21&forum=4#5358098
Score Sheet: https://www.boone-crockett.org/scorechart/11881
Vic Bulliner's, gun kill from Hillsdale County Michigan on November 16th, 2001, grossed 184 1/8 and netted 180 3/8... Score Sheet: https://www.boone-crockett.org/scorechart/26155
#5 All Time base main frame 8-point, taken by Bowhunter Robert Haney official Typical NET score 180-1/8", killed in 1987 in Mahoning County, Ohio... Not listed in B&C records but is listed in Buckeye Big Buck Club (BBBC) records which uses the B&C scoring system:
Score Sheet: https://apps.ohiodnr.gov/wildlife/bigbuck/
It's kind of a shame he didn't enter it in B&C for there aren't any Mahoning County, Ohio bucks listed in B&C records...
If I missed any, my apologies...
Just to Clarify P&Y and B&C have no “world record” for eight point whitetail.
I never said that Charlie, I know that, others like the guy that started the thread may say it, but NOT ME...
I only posted the highest scoring base main frame 4x4s, "the biggest base main frame 8s (no 5x4 with G4 being a wash, or enough stickers to score NonTypical, the Hole-In-The-Horn was scored as a base 8) I listed the top 6 breaking the 180" mark that I could find"...
As said, it took some time to figure them out and only did so for my pleasure and to add to my notes and have the info when the subject comes up again years in the future...8^)...
Okay, here we go...8^)
(Possibly) #6... Even though Mike Kemble's Portage County, Ohio 4x4 xgun kill on November 3rd, 2011 didn't break the 180" mark missing it by less than a half inch with official net score of 179-5/8", the buck is worth an honorable mention... Buck said to have a gross score of 186 1/4" and features more than six inches at either base with an inside spread of 20 6/8-inches, both beams taped out at greater than 29 inches, but I couldn't find it listed in B&C records although it is officially listed in Ohio's records as Typical Net score of 179-5/8": https://apps.ohiodnr.gov/wildlife/bigbuck/
Great stuff Zbone! Love those big 8’s.
Thanks Greg...
Coming up, there are a couple 4x4 whoppers I found pix and rumored scores, but can't find much info on them or legit scores...
Unreal for an 8 to make B&C minimum…. Almost as rare as unicorns! Some absolutely amazing bucks above for sure! Thanks for the compilation Gary!
This Alberta monster likely rifle killed in November of 2007... I do not know the hunters name or the official score, or if it was even scored... This was the only photo I could find of it...
Rumored it nets 201 3/8", but another place saying that is grosses that number buts nets in the 180s"... The 180s" sounds likely to me, and it was said there are stickers that the photo doesn't show in the view...
Seen this buck's picture a couple places but here is what I found on him on this Bowsite:
https://forums.bowsite.com/tf/bgforums/thread.cfm?forum=4&threadid=334820 "From: nebwhitetailt8kr 31-Jan-08 I think this guy might be it...Taken this year in Alberta...nets 201 3/8 From: TurkeyHntnFool31 Jan-08 nebwhitetail killer, do you have anymore info on that buck? From: nebwhitetailt8kr 31-31-Jan-08 The buck was taken by a riflehunter this season 100 percent fair chase in Alberta. I don't know the hunter, but my dad is good friends with the outfitter that he shot it with. The outfitter is also the owner of rackulator, so you can bet the deer was scored correctly. This is just one of the many truley amazing bucks that I've seen from this place. I think the buck professionally scored out at 201 3/8 inches, and I do believe that is net. From: nebwhitetailt8kr 31-Jan-08Private www.bigrackadventures.com is there website. Buzz over there and check out some of the other deer taken up there..It's amazing From: 5575 01-Feb-08 His nickname is mate, he's English and a guide for Blair Trout at big rack adventures. The 201 you speak of is the gross score, he has some trash points that you can't see in the photo. He is a main frame 4x4 thou and nets in the 180s just a giant, and like they said was shot this past nov. I'm sure there will be more about it in the future"
Jeff Saik's rifle kill, Madison County, Mississippi on November 25, 2003... Grosses 176 2/8", nets 156"... For some reason, he looks bigger than that to me, its probable the camera work...
Check out these bad boys...8^) Said to gross 192 with an 18" spread...
I have measured those sheds.......198 gross......the guys initials are FD in MB.
Karen: Did the point off the right G2 qualify as a point?
Yes there is also a small drop as well.....The person holding the sheds is not FD. FD's top 10 sets of sheds or singles are some of the biggest sheds out there.
Thanks for posting Z. Something about monster 8s.
Shane
You're welcome Recurve Man...
While doing these searches, I actually pulled that sheds picture from right here on Bowsite from 2008 thread, sixteen years ago and the poster ID said he was from Montana so I assumed the sheds came from there???
What is "FD in MB"... Is MB, Manitoba? I wonder if the buck was ever killed?
FD is the initials of the guy who found them. They are sheds from Manitoba. The buck was never killed. He was wounded with that rack by a bow hunter but survived. I think those sheds are the largest 8 pointer there is unless someone else knows otherwise. True giant.
This is a buck from Maine. I had the pleasure of seeing the mount in person. Incredible mass on this buck. I believe net score around 177.
Thanks Karen for the info...
Dang tobywon, that's a good Maine 4x4, and if truly nets 177 he's right up there with the ones I posted... You got any info I can look up? Am trying to keep a file on the net 180" and above true 4x4s... Thanks...
https://www.northamericanwhitetail.com/editorial/tim-elsenheimer-breaking-news-bucks2023/484889
See link Zbone.
Thanks for the info tobywon, it is a heck of a buck, shame it was killed by a xgun... It deserved better...8^)
They were talking green score of 176 1/8" but he must not have entered it in B&C, or it hasn't been listed yet being killed Oct. 3, 2023 although he did enter it in BTR and using that systems score sheet, came up with B&C net typical score of 175-7/8" which is very close the green score given...
Zbone did you see the article Outdoor life posted. I saw it but now can’t find it. They had an 8 on there scored 190. I not sure of the details on it. Figured you’d find it and post it up.
Shane
No Sir, don't remember seeing that one... I get their email newsletters, do you remember how long ago? If it nets in the 190s, will have to adjust the rankings...8^)
Great compilation of info Zbone. Thanks for putting in the time and effort and sharing.
