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Hoyt Carbon RX1
Those who have the new Hoyt RX1 how are they, as good as say?
I pick mine up tomorrow! :0
hoyts are always BETTER than they say.
shot one this weekend for a about an hour and didnt care for it. Way to much feed back post shot.
I can't say that it shoots better than my CS 34 ZT.
Anyone else been able to shoot the new Hoyt???
I loved the older Hoyt’s. The newer ones not so much..
I picked mine up a couple weeks ago, but have not been able to shoot it much due to a bout with Tennis elbow.
Comparing it to my Carbon Defiant, the RX1 is noticeably louder at the shot but is much smoother to draw. These are my observations with fewer than 10 arrows through the new RX1. Other than that, typical Hoyt quality/finish.
mine should be here next week. Coming from a Faktor Turbo, big improvement!
Really Shot? I thought this RX1 was most like the 2014 Faktor Turbo/Carbon Spyder Turbo. Similar specs and performance. And the Z5 was a great cam.
As Kota mentions, the new RX-1's are loud. However mine quieted significantly with a pair of string silencers. Draw cycle is smooth and compares to that of the old Z5 cam. Although the RX-1 turbo seems to have a slightly shorter valley than the CST. Tuning is a little different from past models, but easy. For yoke adjustment, the target point seems to be zero lean in the top cam.
Getting the RX 1 turbo. Loved it
I've had my RX-1 Ultra for about 2 months, and have very mixed feelings. There are days when I can group out to 100 yards and other days when I have difficulty at 40 yards. This is the first 6" brace height bow I've ever shot, so I'm not sure if it's the brace height, the grip or what is making it more difficult then past Hoyt bows?? Any thoughts?? Thanks!
Love mine for accurary and smooth drawing - but it does seem fairly loud indeed.
If its loud what else matters
I am shooting the RX Ultra and it isn't loud at all. In fact it is noticeably quieter than my CS-34, Nitrum 34, and my Defiant 34. And all the RX-1s we have set up and super tuned have been much quieter than the Defiants. Not sure what you guys have going on. These new Hoyt's are by far the best pure hunting bows to date. IMHO
My Ultra should be in soon. 2/16 ship date. I'm a lefty so I'm always waiting.
I still don't know that the RX-1 shoots better than my CS 34 ZT.
I agian shot and tuned another RX1 today and i still dont see whats so special about this bow. Pretty over hyped.
I'm slobbering all over myself waiting on my Ultra. The quite one.
In reality you can say that about every bow on the market. If there was a consensus best bow on the market it would literally be just incrementally better than the worst bow on the market. Plus it is all perspective. I see every Elite bow as nearly identical to another and others see them as gems.
Bow freak, know what makes it the best bow on the market? When someone spends 1500 dollars! Same could be said for most new bows. When someone drops that kind of coin, not many people are going to tell you they don’t like it.
I have an RX-1 Ultra and have had it since early December. The positives are that it holds better on target than any bow I've shot, the draw is easy to adjust, it's super smooth and it's got a nice, solid backwall. The speed is + 2 to 3 FPS compared to my 2014 Carbon Spyder 34, so not much gain there. It's definitely got more hand shock than past Hoyts I've owned and it's also louder until you hang sights, stabilizers and a quiver on the bow then I can't tell much difference in noise or hand shock. Cam timing is set dead even, rest down the center and the shock and noise is still there until accessories are added; since I'll shoot with all the accessories this isn't really an issue.
I'm also really struggling to get this bow to tune and can't consistently get rid of a nock left issue no matter what spine arrow I try. Since it's inconsistent (I can shoot a good arrow about 10% of the time) it could very well be me and the new grip and the best tune I've achieved is when I replaced the new plastic stock grip with an older Hoyt wood grip. I've got a left elbow injury that might be causing me to torque since it's painful to shoot so I'm not convinced the tuning issues is due to the bow or me. That said, I can still pick up my Carbon Spyder and shoot perfect bare shafts with fletched to 40 yards after an hour of frustration trying to get the RX1 to shoot bareshafts with fletched at 20 yards. The weirdest thing about tuning this bow is the my broadheads were impacting 4" to 6" left at 60 yards which is the opposite of nock left and I have to move the rest to the left to get them aligned with fieldpoints. At the end of the day, as long as FBBH impact with field points at 60 to 80 yards I'll consider the bow tuned but bare shaft tuning and paper tuning has been frustrating and mostly nock left..
Overall, I'm not really impressed and it definitely hasn't lived up to the hype for me when compared to my 2014 CS but it's really cool looking in the new Sub Alpine camo!
I ordered mine with Subalpine Riser and black limbs. I think it looks great. Will be working on "quieting" it down the next couple weeks. Other than the "bang" at the shot, I really like the bow. Draws/holds much nicer than my Carbon Defiant. No problems with tuning this one. Perfect bullet holes, bare shafts look good and fixed blade heads are flying with field points at 20 yards. (Furthest I can shoot indoors)
The finish on the sub-alpine risers looks awesome on these bows, the Kuiu ones look like they were painted on by a daycare.
My thoughts on a couple of the issues: I have been told by my pro shop that Hoyt is now shipping them with string leeches which removes the sound. As far as tuning my shop did mine and I'm pleased. There are things they have been taught by Hoyt that make them easy to tune. Hope that helps, I think it is a great bow and I seem to be shooting it well.
Has anyone heard that you can order the RX1's with a longer limb that brings the brace height to 7 inches? I've read some mixed info on it but no confirmation. The six inch brace is really all thats holding me back and if I could get one with a seven inch I'd order one immediately
I bought the aluminum riser Hyper Force in January....great shooting bow out to 80 yards so far. Easy for the shop to tune. Smoothest draw cycle yet. It is a bit loud at the shot.
I pick up the RX-1 Ultra tomorrow....really liked the string angle for the nose anchor positioning. seemed much quieter than the HF. Same silky smooth draw.
I understand the bow manufacturers putting rubber grips on for cold weather comfort, but for the life of me they induce torque and thus reduce accuracy. thus, the first thing I have found beneficial for accuracy and torque reduction is to take them off...helps immensely IMHO!
So, Mark, let me get this straight...You bought two more Hoyts this winter and you'll be shooting the Faktor again this fall? :) :) ;0
Kota, yes, you are correct.
I go with "mojo", but at the same time may be considered by some to be a "bow whore?"
I “DARE” you to use that Hyperforce on spring bear....Better yet...I “DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU”!
Sounds like you have a contact issue. What rest are you using?
Kota, Either the HF, a spear or the blow gun, see you in Manitoba!
Bowfreak, There's no contact issue that I can see; I've covered all three vanes with hot pink lipstick and it's never ended up on the rest, riser or containment arm. I get nock left with bare shafts through paper and on the range and the same nock left shows up paper tuning with fletched arrows at 6' & 15'.
I wish it was that and I'm willing to look at it again but I think it's a grip thing. In any case the rest is a Hamskea Hybrid Hunter Pro. The lower string angle create facial contact with I've since eliminated facial by shortening my draw length 1/2" and lengthening my release rope and string loop 1/2" total so my anchor remained the same but moved the string out away from my face. That seemed to help some at first and I may have started leaning my head into the string and recreated the contact.
The tough part is I'm trying not to shoot and let me elbow heal so maybe the issue will go away after a month or two layoff....
Healing and rest are way overrated:)!
try taking all grips off and shoot straight off the riser!
Ok. Doesn't sound like its something you havent already checked
Have you tried yoke tuning? Or have you left yokes in place and just adjusted the rest?
I've tried yoke tuning and it doesn't seem to make much difference on this bow. I've tried moving the rest back and forth without yoke tuning, just yoke tuning and a combination of both and my only conclusion was that yoke tuning isn't much of a tuning tool with Hoyt's new design. It seems it's all in the rest and timing with the new design. The best I've done with bare shafts and paper is with the cams set dead even, the rest at 21/32" from center, nock set almost perfectly level and the stock plastic grip replaced with the Hoyt Pro Fit wood grip.
It got really weird when I shot FBBH at 60 yards. They were hitting 4" to 6" left (opposite of nock left) and I moved the rest right to 3/4" or 13/16" (can't remember which) to clean that up. In conclusion, the only thing that makes sense is I might be torqueing with bare shafts and while paper tuning but not with FBBH. In the end, if I wasn't Type A OCD, it shouldn't matter since FBBH are consistent to 60+ and as a hunter that's what's really important!
When my elbow is better I'm going to try Mark's suggestion to shoot off the riser but I don't expect much since I prefer a little bigger grip. I'm able to relax my hand more when using the Pro Fit wood grip. Might be because I have big hands, might be because I also shoot traditional bows as much as compounds, might be because I'm mental....
Luckily the guys in the shop here are Hoyt guroos . The technology is too new to rely on myself for tuning or things of that nature. I felt some hand shock all except the turbo ,which is fortunate because I shoot the turbo line anyway. I love the new one.
Tilz, I've been looking a new bow so I have researched every review, written and you tube, I could find on those models I liked. While researching the RX I viewed a video where the reviewer was having the same issue as you. After much trial and error he discovered his grip was the problem. Seems the RX does not like a lot of "heel pressure". He could produce bullet holes and left tears just by altering the heel pressure. If I can find the video I'll send you a link.
Mark: There is no rubber grip on the RX-1s or the Hyper force. It is a hard resin/plastic, every bit as hard and torque free as wood or aluminum.
Tilz: The new bows are tuning with yokes pretty much the same as the old ones.(Slight decrease in reaction due to increased stability on the bottom) I'm fairly sure you have something going on. Not sure what you since you can shoot the old CS with good results. I have not noticed a significant difference in tune, or grip position on these new ones compared to my Spyder or Nitrum. I would say there was a bigger difference between the Spyders and the Nitrums than them and these, and that was just due to the add of the ZT rollers. I am putting the new grip on everything I own for hunting, and I haven't shot a grip since 2006...
I think he's referring to the way the guy was gripping the bow and not the actual grip. I've been shooting Hoyt since 2002 and from the experiences I've had the way you grip the bow has a lot to do with everything. Castle oaks post is dead on.
I’ve moved my grip all over the place on this RX1 but I haven’t tried less heal and I do shoot with quite a bit of heal pressure. I’ll give that a try and see if it works. What I have found is the bow likes pressure more toward the palm than the thumb pad for me but I haven’t worked on altering heal pressure. With my Carbon Spyder I can move a bare shaft back and forth by altering my grip shot to shot but not so much with this bow.
Yoke tuning has very little effect but I’ve only used 1 twist on the left while removing 1 from the right and haven’t gone beyond 1 and 1.
Split: You are correct on tuning the shooter. I am by far the biggest proponent of it, I was driving that band wagon before it was even acknowledged in the "tuning world", but he (Mark) distinctly mentions rubber grips on this thread. An RX-1 thread. There are no "rubber" grips on this thread...JS
Elkman...With Hoyt, it doesn’t seem to matter...Plastic, rubber or wood. JS
Agreed. They shoot better than anything else on the planet regardless... ;^)
Elkman (and all),
"I understand the bow manufacturers putting rubber grips on for cold weather comfort, but for the life of me they induce torque and thus reduce accuracy. thus, the first thing I have found beneficial for accuracy and torque reduction is to take them off...helps immensely IMHO! "
I was speaking of bow manufacturers in general as outlined above. For the record, there is no rubber grip on the Hoyts, but I still find the grip a bit tacky to the gloved shooting hand and thus remove it.
The base premise of my comment (that has helped me with my long distance (80-120 yard) practice sessions is simply removing the entire grip and shooting straight off the riser with a super thin liner glove (no rubber traction in the palm)
This accomplishes two things (both of which reduce torque and increase repeatable accuracy):
-Reduction in hand surface contact with the riser (smaller surface area)
-Reduction in "traction" on the riser (reduced opportunity for torque)
Hope this helps others as much as it has helped me increase my repeatable accuracy at crunch time.
Ordered my Hoyt RX1 Ultra in December and getting it set up next week at the shop. All the negative comments here now have me thinking I may have made an expensive bad choice! Guess I'll find out for myself. Been shooting the Carbon Spyder 34 for the past 4 years and its a great bow. As an aside, I've been at my daughters in Kremmling, CO for the past week. The deer and elk having a very easy winter here. Fun viewing them right from my daughter's house. Heading up higher to do an afternoon snowshoe trek again this afternoon.
I picked up my RX 1 Ultra on Tuesday night and have about 85 shots through it thus far. Shot it yesterday outside (5F) out to 60 yards and was getting 4" groups (3 FP and 1 ST standard). Was very quiet (much quieter than the HF) even in the cold conditions. Super smooth draw, almost no handshock, solid back wall.
Early opinion is the Ultra is the real deal. (I'm not a pro staffer, sponsored or a fan boy...just a normal paying customer).
Thanks Mark! I feel better now! Can trust a Minnesotan!
Whocares...That's a STRETCH...But whatever makes you feel better. :)
You'll love the bow. (and that's from a North Dakotan, which is MONEY)
Agreed all around Mark. You are gonna love it. I did mine with the lower let off mods, and then added the lower let off draw stops and WOW is all I can say. The balance and holding oscillation on the Ultra is the best I've seen. The tune was a walk in the park. All around Hoyt really got back to being Hoyt on this one...
So have you been shooting it? Or not!
I get mine set up later this week.
I got mine figured out. I think. I added 1.5 twists on the left yoke, removed an equal amount from the right and have a perfect hole at 5’ & 15’. Next is bareshaft tuning. Although I tried it several times I don’t think I’d tried yoke tuning after I shortened the draw and got rid of the facial contact so the combination of yoke tuning and getting rid of facial contact seems to have cured the left tear problem.
Great to hear Tilz!
Since picking up the Ultra a week ago, I can't stop shooting it:)
So smooth, so addictive!
I got my RX1 a few months ago.. It originally had 85% mods on it, but that is not legal in CO so, went back over the weekend and had the 80% put on.. but this thing shoots so smooth and is so well balanced... It really is a nice piece of hardware.. Cannot wait for September!!
Did you notice any change in performance with the 80% mods?
Does CO go off the mods that are on the bow, or actually measure the holding weight vs max draw weight?
I doubt they mess with it to much either way, but if your mods say "85%" you are probably making their job to easy. In my opinion 85% is to high, kind of gimmicky, and catering to archery's lowest common denominator. You need some holding weight to get a good oscillation and hold properly. Mine is at 75% like all Hoyts have been for the last decade and a half and it shoots lights out.
I asked because there are times they advertise a let off figure but actual measurements don't support that figure.
True. I would just get the 80s and be compliant. Dealer should swap straight across in a state that carries that law on the books. He should actually be ordering them all with 80s to be honest.
Stopped by the shop with my RX1 today and they installed one "monkey tail" on the lower part of the string and it is MUCH quieter. However, they had no answer for my tennis elbow so I'm still not able to enjoy shooting the bow just yet...:(
Good to hear Kota. No need on the Ultra, but thats what I planned on doing to the HF...monkey tails work great.
Send your bow my way and I'll test it for you Kota ;o)
"Stopped by the shop with my RX1 today and they installed one "monkey tail" on the lower part of the string and it is MUCH quieter. However, they had no answer for my tennis elbow so I'm still not able to enjoy shooting the bow just yet...:( "
Funny guy...No, I think it was too much drinking at WSF...I was not in “Sheep Show Shape”.
Had to have something to do with the shower...JS- LOL! ;^)
Maybe Zack can do a seminar next about getting into (and staying in) sheep show shape?
Got my new REDWRX cap today and they threw in a bow with the deal! Like it! Smooth, quiet, fast. And tuned. Does have a lower string silencer on it. As good or better than my Carbon Spyder 34. My only Valentine present.
Mine is supposed to be shipping tomorrow.
Elkman, I order RX 1 Ultra, Optifade, cancelled the order, then reordered - so I did it to myself. Few more weeks and I'll have my Bow. You never know, it may come in early.
Still Waiting for mine, ordered it Nov 15 dealer confirmed they order it on Nov 16. over 90 days now. Spoke to the dealer at the middle of January they said Hoyt told them another two weeks. Something about the number 2 cam is not that popular. I'll give them until the end of the month, then I'll cancel and buy a Mathews....I need an extra jack handle anyway.
lol. Guess I'll wait. I have other Bows to shoot.
bb, mine took awhile to come in as well definitely worth the wait though.
RX-1 Ultra blackout with blue string. American Flag QAD rest. 7 pin Hogg Father.
RX-1 Ultra blackout with blue string. American Flag QAD rest. 7 pin Hogg Father.
I don't know, I have hunts to plan this fall, I can't plan without a bow.
Anyone get their ‘Lefty’ yet?
bb if you don't have a bow in your possession you are different than me. I have at least two set up at all times, and I certainly don't need one to plan my next hunt. But I will say this: It WILL be worth the wait, and if you buy that maaaathews that's exactly what you'll have is a jack handle.
I am different than you, no question.
I could have gone up the road 20 miles and got what I wanted in the Black Out. Didn't do it. Waiting on my optifade subalpine. I know, nutts.
Amazing how long the wait is for a bow with a msrp of 1,600.00.
"Amazing how long the wait is for a bow with a msrp of 1,600.00."
The real crime with that is trying to accessorize. Do you realize how long it takes to find optifade boot laces?
Accessorize? That's what my daughters do...
Good one bb. I already have lots of Black. I know, Nutts!
See I had to order black, Too hard to find color matching accessories in all this new camo.
I don't blame you for waiting Wapitidung. The black bows show dirt and wear SOOO much more than camo, and they are a tougher resale too. Not to mention the new optifade on the Hoyts is the best looking pattern in the industry. Way lighter than that Kuiu mess. I still don't understand why they went so dark on that pattern. If people wanted a darker pattern they could just stick with the realtree option. The Ridge Reaper camo looks awesome too, I just can't stomach those it represents.
Finally, I made the right decision.
What rest are most of you guys running?
I wanted to try something different and tried a Ripcord Ace Micro. Still don't have my bow but that is the rest that is going on it. If I don't like it, it will come off.
Ripcord Ace Micro on all my bows for the past year. Yes, they are cable driven:), tunable and reliable. I loved trophy Taker (cable and limb) when Dan Evans owned it and used them exclusively.
Happy to report the Aces have been rockstars (through about 3,000 shots)!
Very nice. I have a Trophy Taker on mine right now, but have a Hoyt one they sent that goes with the bow I'm thinking of trying. (The QAD version)
That's good to hear Mark. I am looking forward to trying it.
I have the Hoyt Ultra Rest and the HHA Optimizer Lite single pin slider sight on mine. Third Hoyt in a row set up this way.
I'm running an accutouch 5 on mine
what camo are you runnin'
Elkman, Let me know what you think of the hoyt rest quad version, I was thinking of getting a Trophy Taker.
Mine is the Optifade Sub Alpine. I will bighorn.
"what camo are you runnin' "
Got mine yesterday. Working on it now!
what string wax do you guys run for those fuse strings. is scorpion venom anything speacial
The strings on the 17-18 Hoyts are BCY-X. I just use silicone base Bohning Seal-Tite.
You runnin’ string leeches on that bow or just factory speed weights
Mine came without a string silencer but after seeing that Hoyt is now shipping with them I installed a string leach on the bottom of the string and it made a world of difference in both noise and vibration reduction.
I got a guaranteed ship date of March 5. Hopefully i have it by the end of next week.
You guys going through your Shop to fine out what your ship date is?
Yes. My pro shop called and checked on the status. That is what Hoyt said.
Mine arrived last week... Ordered towards the end of Dec I believe... RH, 60LB in subalpine....
Pics of my bow... Got most of it setup last night.... Limbdriver Pro V, Black Gold Accent, Hoyt Quiver, 8" bstinger... Also installed a custom Vapor Trail string with the end 'barrel loop' served (which is what Hoyt should have done from the factory IMO)... Took me a while to get it all dialed in but finished shooting some nice arrows through paper at 15ish FT....
What does "barrel loop" served mean? Pics?
That little plastic bushing looking thing that makes the bottom yoke?
I did finally get a chance to shoot the AL version the other day and will say it does shoot noticeably different than my CS 34 zt in a good way.
I haven't shot a Hoyt in 5-6 years but, after reading this thread I'm coming to the conclusion that they are hard to shoot now or, you Hoyt fellas are so good that you notice the slightest bit of imperfection.
Smarba - there is a yoke on the bottom cam that has a barrel on it... A loop comes down from the buss cable that wraps around that barrel - that's the part I had them serve into a loop (the factory strings don't serve that)...... Blew up my existing pic from last night.....
If I had to guess, there is a reason as to why they do not serve the barrel area. I suspect that serving could lead to some twisting in that area and you absolutely do not want that.
Come on Bowfreak, I’m sure a custom string builder knows more than the engineering team that designed the bow and strings!
On a serious note, use of aftermarket strings violates the warranty. I use custom strings and wouldn’t hesitate even with the new design but I wouldn’t put a string/cable set on with a different design.
I've shot my new Rx1 ultra 3 days now at the indoor range. Wasn't sure why I bought it other than because I could. But after shooting it three days I'd have to be numb not too realize how sweet it shoots! Smooth an quick. The draw is amazing. Hit full draw and backwall without even noticing, release is smooth. Adream to shoot. Been shooting a carbon spyder last four years that is sweet, and surprised they made it sweeter. Lotsa good bows out there, just my experience and smiles with this one. Factory strings and all. No reason to change other than cuz you want to.
what do you mean "quick"
these are rated the same speed-wise as each other year's line is rated, at about 340.
is quickness different than speed?
never heard about a bow being quick, but it may be a new innovation built into the 2018 line.
When I shot the Hyperforce, the release was similar to the Xpedition line in that it felt clean and "quick" or crisp as stupid as it sounds. That is what differentiated it from the CS 34 I currently shoot. Also the draw cycle was fairly consistent from start to finish without the traditional "hump and dump" of peak weight and valley let off.
Since the one I shot had the #3 cam on it and adjusted to a DL of 28.5", the cam was not in it's full rotation at anchor giving a shorter valley. When creeping forward and the traditional "yank your arm off" at let down began, it was quite easy to stop it after a couple of inches and come right back into an anchor position. This was easy to do at different let in lengths which is something I had not seen before in another other model of Hoyt or other bow brand.
Hoyt did a good job on this one.
Have my RX1 shooting good . shot broadheads out to 30 yards today. Am really liking this bow 62#s 28" draw 410gr. arrow @ 273fps.
The bow is rated 330 bou and I suspect you know what he is talking about......
RC1 is rated at 340 fps. so have 80% mods .
Bowfreak is correct. DO NOT serve that up. You want 4 inches roughly from the barrel to serving... (On the Ultra)
My bow finally arrived today. Pushing 120 days, not bad considering the original projection was 6 weeks. Hope I don't need any parts.
Bou: I'm running Apex double downs on mine. I like the ease of field replacement vrs. through the string silencers.
Bou: I'm running Apex double downs on mine. I like the ease of field replacement vrs. through the string silencers.
I was at Scheels in St. Cloud, MN yesterday and they had a RX-1 set up. I picked it up off the rack and honestly, it was way heavier than my Elite Synergy. They must have loaded it up with the heaviest components possible. LOL. I would definitely put lighter weight accessories on it. Honestly, why would you buy a lighter bow and make it unreal heavy? I suppose if you just walked 100 yards to your whitetail stand it wouldn't matter. But the reason I would ever spend more for a carbon bow would be for the weight savings.
I think 4 pounds is pretty light for a 35 inch bow in the 2018 market. JMO (And certainly "light enough")
ELKMAN, it is light. But they must have put the heaviest of each component on that bow. LOL. It was amazingly heavy! If I were to buy that bow, and I wish I could, I would try to keep it lighter by putting lighter components on it. Even for hunting whitetails here in the midwest, I hump up some pretty big hills. I'm 55 years old and every ounce to me is important. The reason I would buy a carbon bow would be to keep it light. I'd definitely want it balanced well, but still light.
That's why I went to a 3 arrow TS. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain...
Just to chime in, I'm shooting my RX1 Ultra for 2 weeks now every day and lovin it! Was wondering why I bought it before I got it, cuz I been shooting the Carbon Spyder 34, but now really glad I did. Have it at 65#, and as a guy at the range said, gee those arrows get there in a hurry. I cranked my Carbon Spyder down to 50# for volume shooting, so shoot both. Whadya think of that endorsement, Elkman?
I don't think the RX1 needs any endorsement once people shoot them! LOL! Hoyt really cleaned up a lot of stuff this year, and did it in a way that really made it a "Hoyt". The RX1 line truly are the most accurate and forgiving hunting bows we have ever tested. That Turbo is a real sleeper this year. I have to say if I was going 32 ATA I would lean that way. I LOVE the Turbo cam and it's draw characteristics not to mention all the extra free speed, and only 1/8" difference in brace... JS
The only change I would suggest Hoyt make is the cable splitter used on the buss cable to make the bottom yoke.
It can rotate about the middle connection loop (buss main body) causing one side of the yoke splitter to be higher than the other. This would pull on the bottom axle a little. The other potential "red flag" is a burr where the lower yoke goes through the splitter cutting strands. I know QC is supposed to catch things like that, but, every now and then something slips through.
Thinking out loud, two discs connected at the center intersecting at 90 from each other may be a better design.
"The other potential "red flag" is a burr where the lower yoke goes through the splitter cutting strands. I know QC is supposed to catch things like that, but, every now and then something slips through. "
How many have you seen that happen to?
Thanks Matt, I was going to ask the same question. Us archers love to wring our hands and invent problems before they exist!
Matt, asking the question tells me you didn't really read the statement...
Didn't mean to offend you. Hoyt has been my choice for years, FYI.
On the contrary, I am impressed that you were able to identify the one design feature that is a potential red flag while eliminating all the others.
HDE: I agree. I think that is a good idea, and I'm guessing there will be improvements made. But no issues so far.
Finally....mine made it to the pro shop. I'll pick it up tomorrow!
Did you get a few arrows through it yet?
Happened to drive by a shop today. Saying lead times are still two months. But for the first time since they announced these new models they had one to try for draw length challenged folks.
We are getting them a LOT faster than that, unless you want a left handed 84 pounder...
I got to shoot mine quite a bit. Only in my basement but it seems to be a nice shooting bow. I do believe the Defiant was quieter with less vibe but this bow is faster and tuned like a dream. It actually feels a little more stable too. I can't wait to fling some arrows at long range to see how this thing shoots.
I noticed is holds steady very, very well but without stabilizers and other gear, the think near jumped out of my hand. I really did like the new grip.
I am shooting the 85% mods and have a set of 75% stops too. Has anyone shot theirs with the 75% stops on 85% mods? Curious how you like it?
Bows in. Pick it up today!
I believe you are supposed to use 80% mods with the 75% draw stops.
You can use either. Just adding those stops to 85% decreases let off a little.
All the choices, waiting, fretting, etc... It better be the best bow in the world. :^)
Ok. I got to shoot outside today and shot out to 60 yards. I can't believe how easy this bow is to shoot. Still playing with DL, peep height, loop lengrh and all that but when I get it where I want it I think this bow is going to be dynamite.
The grip is perfect. The vibe and handshock is a tad more than the CD34 but it is really a nominal difference. This bow is as fast as my Nitrum 34 if not faster. I'm impressed.
Mine is faster than my Nitrum 34 by quite a bit. I am shooting 80% mods with 75% draw stops.
I think it is a fair bit quieter than my Nitrum also.
Great to hear Bowfreak.
Elkman, I need a little education here....80% mods and 75% draw stops. Can you elaborate (as to the advantages)?
If you switch from 85% mods to 80% mods and add the 75% stops you will get 75% LO roughly. If you just switch to 80% mods and keep stock draw stops you get 80% LO roughly. You can also run the 75% stops on the 85% mods and will get a decrease in let off. I am not sure if it is 5% but it will definitely decrease it some. I have the stops but have not tried them yet.
How are the stops different; are they bigger or smaller in diameter? Do they affect the backwall and/or performance (speed, noise, vibration) positively, negatively or not at all? Just trying to determine the advantages or disadvantages.
They are larger diameter. I can't tell you on anything else as I haven't shot them yet.
Any of you guys(excluding Elkman) shoot the triax as well as the RX1? Im a hoyt guy thru n thru, always have been, always will be. My brother works at a pro shop that sells hoyt and mathews and hes shot them all. Asked him bout the RX1, he said its sweet. He said in his opinion the triax is a better shooting bow though. Obviously, there are a ton of things that go into it, but wondering if any of you that like the RX1 shot the triax as well. He just got a defiant turbo, absolutely loves it and is now selling his halon. The grip was mentioned above, he hated the grip on the halon. Just one of the many factors that goes ito it....
Where's the pictures??? No bow porn sucks!!! :-)
I had no desire to shoot the Triax. It is a 28" ATA bow and I have a 30.5" draw. Just not a good combination for me as the string angle will be not to my liking.
Mark: For me it's all about holding weight and draw cycle. With the 80% mods it brings the holding weight up a bit, and with the 75% draw stops it smooths out the back end of the draw cycle by shortening up the valley and 1/8 of an inch. A lot people don't realize but you need a certain amount of resistance/holding weight to stabilize your holding oscillation. Also this new fad with huge valleys and high let off catering to archery's lowest common denominator promotes horrible shooting form and creates bad habits in a very short amount of time. You need a bow that is nice and smooth to draw and shoot, but also that will hold you accountable for weak shots, and lazy tendencies. At the end of the day a great bow set up is all about accuracy and forgiving tune characteristics. The lower let off and reasonable valley increase both exponentially.
Stick n String- The Triax isn't even in the same class as the RX1 for a multitude of reasons, but the first and foremost is that bows under 32" ATA are just a gimmick. Not to mention the fact that only Mathews is dumb enough to build a 28 inch toy bow that weighs about 10 pounds. The Halon and the Halon X are decent bows, and shoot pretty well, but again WOW are they heavy. And for no other reason than just mailing it in on the riser design. A person can add as much or as little weight to any bow as they would want. (and in the right places) So how does it make sense to start with a bare bow that is heavier than most others completely set up? A good solid weight for a bare bow is right around 4 pounds, that is a good starting point. Some guys will add, some guys will keep it at light as they can, but at least they have the option. I wish Matt would get more involved again for Mathews sake.
Elkman, I appreciate your position and the fact you are a Hoyt Homer. Again, I am a Hoyt guy, always have been always will be because I believe that all of the manufacture's top bows, at least the main manufacturers, have good bows and the guy behind it matters way more than the bow in his hand. I was asking for input from people other than you because of the fact that you are such a Hoyt Homer. I don't think I could shoot a really short axle to axle bow. So I believe that any of the longer hoyts would probably be better for me, but to say that it's not in the same class is exactly why I was looking for input from people other than you.
I will ask for your opinion on this however, where do you think the trykon ranks between it, the Maxxis 35 and carbon spider 34?
Just to be clear, since you can't tell tone when you're reading a post, I'm not trying to come off as ignorant towards you. Your respons was just kind of exactly what I knew I would get, but I think that it's a little extreme so I was hoping to get input from others Who aren't quite so biased. you are quite so biased. Obviously the Triax there's a little bit of a different thing being much shorter, but as far as shooting the bow and how it feels when shot, those are the opinions I was looking for
Triax draws smooth, has no hand shock, and is quieter than the RX-1 and RX-1 Turbo, when shot bare-bow. It is a perfectly fine bow, and that's coming from a die-hard Hoyt owner. I still opted to buy the RX-1 Turbo for a variety of reasons....quality of materials, long-standing reputation for reliability, speed performance, and ease of tuning. There are very few bad bows among the top 5 or 6 brands....just a matter of going with the one that best meets your preferences.
Makes sense the Triax would have a feel of less hand shock and be quieter. My hands aren't sensitive enough to feel the difference as negligible it would be, so the RX-1 should feel great as the HyperForce was very nice.
Stick- You failed to mention that I said that the Mathews Halon was a good bow and shot well? And explained my position/issues with the bow specific bow in question. So it's not like I am not being objective. From your above statement it sounds like you already had your answer before you asked the question. You said: "I don't think I could shoot a really short axle to axle bow". I am totally objective when it comes to this stuff contrary to popular belief. I admitted it when I felt like Hoyt dropped the ball on the Defiant line, and I'm about to admit it again in my next sentence: The Trykon is the one TRULY BAD bow Hoyt has ever produced. They have made some that are better than others, but the Trykon and Trykon XL were a nightmare to draw, shoot, and tune. And just to prove a point on objectivity when it comes to equipment, my second favorite bow of 2018 isn't a Hoyt, it's the Realm X from Bowtech. I will always tell the truth when it comes to equipment regardless of brand or affiliation. I could be shooting Mathews, Bowtech, or PSE on the exact same deal tomorrow. (And of the above three mentioned, it goes: Spider 34- Maxxis 35- Trykon)
ElkMan, A bow is a preference. However, everything I have seen on You tube shows the triax faster and, MUCH quieter then the the RX-1. It has a base weight of 4.4 pounds. which equals about 6 ounces more then the "perfect" base weight bow example used above. It is so scary quiet and, at this point, just as fast or faster then the RX-1. It boils down to the axle to axle length is all I ca come up with. I was skeptical at these short bow lengths.
I don't own ether of these two bows. I own a bargin brand 2017 model Mission bow that has an axle to axle length of 28.5 inches. I was shooting 70 yards last weekend and holding groups tight enough that I could touch all my arrows with one hand. Most times i could and did pull them with one hand at the same time. I'm not a good shot. I can't see very well like I used to. But,the bow will flat out shoot. So, I wander just how much better the RX-1 is for accuracy.
I'm not being a wise guy either. Maybe there is something I don't know. Its raining, I'm stuck in the house, And, I can't understand why a lot of what you guarantee about these two bows are exactly opposite of what unbiased reviews on you tube prove. Like I said, I'm not a fanboy of either. Both are over priced symbols of vanity in my opinion. I've just grown curious why you are so quick to trash one for the other.
God Bless men
Well, it appears we were posting at the same time. You answered some of my questions with that one. Not all of them. I'm still confused why you claim what you do about performance when so many unbiased videos show a different result. Not that the differences matter. But, the differences are in favor of the bow you keep trashing. Not the hoyt.
How did Hoyt drop the ball on the defiant ?
I have a trykon, maxxis 35 and a carbon spyder 34. I am currently shooting the spyder, BUT, it is only because of being lighter, quieter and flatter shooting. My trykon is a much better shooting bow....for me. I got the maxxis, couldnt shoot with the same accuracy, went back to the trykon. Got the spyder, still cant shoot it nearly as well as my trykon. But i shoot it well enough to be confident in hunting with it, due to hunting deeper on state ground each year, the lighter bow is nicer to hike in with. I believe its the lighter weight tho that takes some accuracy away. So when it comes to actual shooting, i seem to prefer a boat anchor and the trykon fit the bill.
I dont go crazy with tuning, if i notice erratic arrow flight, i address it, but if not i dont mess with things. So i cant speak to the tuning of the trykon, but for me, ive only ever had to mess with tuning once, maybe twice in the 11 years i had it and shot it regularly.
I will Just talk about Hoyt Carbon bows: I have owned and shot 6. (yes a new one Almost every year ) My first one was the first Hoyt Matrix for $1800.00. My # 7 is the RX-1. I LOVE IT ! I am shooting tighter groups then ever. I went down to 60lb bow ( I am 60 ) and using the same arrow ( FMJ 400 28" ) . So in theory I'm shooting slower. The bow is smooth and quiet and warm in cold weather. It is best best one yet. I just might keep this one for more than a year.
Stick- If it works for you then it's the right one. That is the case with any bow. If it makes the shooter feel accurate, and instills confidence then that is the bow they should shoot.
Just shot the defiant and defiant turbo this afternoon. Suckers sure are light. Shot the defiant with nothing but a rest on it. Hardly knew it went off.
Some photos from the beginning of set up.
Mine was the same way Elkman. I'm maybe an 1/8" long after I got it set up how I like it.
My 61.2 lb ultra is shooting a 465 gr arrow 278 fps. DL is 30.5". Nice numbers for sure.
Yeah that is definitely humming right along.
Elkman, Did you have time to evaluate the Hoyt Quad Rest, and the Trophy Taker? Your opion on what's a better simpler choice. Thanks!
I bought the smackdown pro micro tune and absolutely love the micro click feature.
I have run both, and I still prefer the good old Trophy Taker myself. Just love the simplicity, and bomb proof build of that rest. I can just trust it for what I do...
Simplicity and bullet proof is what I'm looking for. Thanks for the info.
Well then Trophy Taker is hard to beat
Just recieved and shot my Hoyt RX1 Ultra , wow , i owned a matrix , i shot for several years, never felt confindent in it, but this bow after 10 minutes just felt good. Tom
Picked up my RX1 40-50lb today. Smooth, very little shock and fast. I was shooting Mathews DXT with 392 gr axis arrows. We chrono'd both today. DXT was 230 fps. RX1 was 252., both at 50.4 lb. IT's a keeper and a joy to shoot!
Awesome. These are some of the easiest tuning bows Hoyt has ever made. I think that lower yoke has really made a huge difference on lateral stability.
You running any aftermarket speed balls on the string on that bow
I read that Pope and Young is giving an RX1 away in a new member drawing.
Bou: No I'm just running stock threads for initial testing period, then I will decide whether or not to start playing with weight, material, strand count etc...
I've been shooting my RX1 Ultra for two months now and am impressed. Seems to shoot better than I do, if that makes sense!!??
Counting the days until my Ultra shows up!
Installing a 5 pin Axcel Accutouch now...
Let's bring it back up, going to be saving up for a good while, going with the first bow I ever shot anything with for this year, a good ole Mathews Feather Max lol.
I can say now that the Ultra is my best shooting Hoyt to date. It only has one slight nock and that is the fact it is a tad louder than bows of the past. It is not concerning at all as it is still quiet but man it does shoot! I normally take a few months to really settle into a bow and this one is just an absolute keeper. Fast, accurate and......its a Hoyt so its dependable also.