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Contributors to this thread:
OFFHNTN 29-Mar-18
KJC 29-Mar-18
Busta'Ribs 29-Mar-18
LBshooter 29-Mar-18
molsonarcher 29-Mar-18
kscowboy 29-Mar-18
APauls 29-Mar-18
Skippy 29-Mar-18
caribou77 29-Mar-18
Thornton 29-Mar-18
OFFHNTN 29-Mar-18
Norseman 29-Mar-18
pointingdogs 29-Mar-18
ROUGHCOUNTRY 29-Mar-18
Franklin 29-Mar-18
Skippy 29-Mar-18
Shawn 29-Mar-18
grubby 30-Mar-18
LBshooter 30-Mar-18
LKH 30-Mar-18
OFFHNTN 30-Mar-18
grubby 30-Mar-18
APauls 30-Mar-18
OFFHNTN 30-Mar-18
LKH 30-Mar-18
BOHUNTER09 30-Mar-18
BOHUNTER09 30-Mar-18
BOHUNTER09 30-Mar-18
From: OFFHNTN
29-Mar-18

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I have cabin fever bad, I also have a very remote and outside chance to acquire some hunting land. Yes, I would love to have all of it, but the cost per acre is high......very high.

SO, outlined in black, which piece would YOU want? Both are roughly 25 acres, and the nearest woods or cover is roughly 1.5 miles away in any direction. The top (North) chunk is obviously all one "square" piece, bordered on one side by a river, all wooded with the exception of the 4 acre field in the upper left corner. Would probably hold more deer, but also a but harder to hunt.

The bottom chunk is basically 2 fingers, each bordered by the river or dead river on 3 sides. Would funnel deer easier making it potentially easier to hunt, but wouldn't hold as many deer as only about 12 acres is wooded with the rest open field (as of now). However, the finger that sticks up to the north would be a food plot, and will benefit from the adjacent woods and cover next to it.

From: KJC
29-Mar-18
The bottom piece.

From: Busta'Ribs
29-Mar-18
Where is your access and what’s the prevailing fall wind direction? Are the neighbors equal on both pieces, from a qdm perspective?

From: LBshooter
29-Mar-18
I would also take the bottom piece. However, if the cost is so high maybe you ought to look for some land that is less per acre on order to get more land. 25 acres is going to be tough to hunt with a buddy and your not going to be hunting a lot if you want to keep pressure low.

From: molsonarcher
29-Mar-18
Bottom. Lease the tillable back to the farmer with a deal to leave the grain standing until after hunting season. Also, you have more options for wind direction. It looks like Better access options as well. If you can only buy one, maybe work a deal to lease the other along with it, or lease both for a year and decide which one you can hunt/access better.

From: kscowboy
29-Mar-18
Any major river crossings? One might look better on paper but the other might have a highway at a river crossing to make a perfect ambush point.

From: APauls
29-Mar-18
Very tough to answer without laying boots to the ground. Need to see the trees, as far as what each piece has for stand eligible trees, and then there are the scouting aspects, old rubs etc. Now I know that may sound weird coming from a 31 year old because all I can really do is hang cameras and food to hunt, because that's all I've learned from TV ;)

But seriously, I think being 25 acres, I would essentially think of each piece as one spot. Sure you may hang some different stands etc, but it's not like you would want to have several people hunting one of those spots.

I like the North piece because you've got (slightly) more timber, and (slightly) more deer holding power. You've got a food plot inside cover which is great, you've got the river which is awesome, and you also have access to up to 3 different food sources using that one piece. That inside turn on the right side looks good assuming that ag is ag that deer like on that side. By inside turn I'm talking about that scoop of the field that borders the timber. It's really tough to say because I also don't have a scale on there, but both pieces are small enough that once the leaves fall you're looking at what 200? 250? yards across even the big piece of bush in the north piece. That means if you hang a stand in the middle, you could almost see all the way across. Especially if there is snow on the ground. No idea where in the country this place is, and if you get snow there. Any place that I would look at buying I always want to make sure that I have the potential to have a "rut-fest" in the bush. Meaning does need to bed in it and when they come in heat I want to have that amazing day when bucks move in and are chasing things all over the place. Are either of these places big enough to have that happen? I can't speak for the size dynamics of that area, and what size of pieces the deer hold up in, how many deer are around etc. I've also been looking at buying pieces and looked at a few pieces, and realized how small 40 acres and less really is. Sometimes we get what we get, but a 25 acre piece if deer are moving in the rut, they'll usually cover the whole piece and it almost doesn't really matter where you are as they'll come past you eventually.

If an active buck is moving through the southern piece, will he not move through the northern piece shortly thereafter? And vica versa? Maybe I've completely misjudged the size of the pieces, but that's my thinking. It almost doesn't matter. Which piece gives you the edge? Is the food plot the edge you need? Or is it the pinch on the southern piece? Or will the deer walking the eastern edge of the river simply cut across the field and hit the western piece totally skipping the "funnel?" Questions only boots on the ground can answer. Is it a deep river? Do the deer cross it? If not, that "funnel"may be an empty alcove, something deer don't even want to get caught in. So hard to say, neither piece is excessively large, and so holding power is prob similar. Maybe I've been to negative, but if you are wanting to buy a piece that gives you a number of different options, it's just really tough to do that on 25 acres and you may decide you want to look elsewhere. Maybe the piece is in an absolute mecca and all you need is a piece of the pie and this is it. Tough to say, but wish you luck regardless.

From: Skippy
29-Mar-18
How much is very high?

From: caribou77
29-Mar-18
Both offer many stand options just by looking at the oh view. I agree that boots on the ground is the best option. Also look at which piece you have the easiest access too. And the most undetected access...

From: Thornton
29-Mar-18
I'm assuming north is up? I would pick the top piece for winter hunting as the wind would be blowing noise of the farm to the south.

From: OFFHNTN
29-Mar-18
Busta - The access for the bottom (south) piece is at that corner shown at the bottom of the picture. The access to the top (North) piece would be to the right about a 1/4 of a mile. Prevailing wind is left to right which is ideal for both with the river on the west side. As of now, there are no neighbors. Everything you see in that picture is going up for sale. The small farm in the center of the pic, and on the West side of the river, is abandoned.

LBshooter - Agreed. 25 acres isn't much. But this area has some of the most fertile farm land in the country and there are very few areas to hunt or that have cover as it all gets farmed. This stuff is roughly 15 minutes from my house which you just don't find. Only myself, and occasionally my wife or son would hunt it, but that's it.

molsonarcher - Yep, all good points. There won't be much choice on a lease as this will be going up for action this fall and will sell.

ksbowboy - Good point. Not sure as I have not walked all of it yet..........CUZ IT CAN'T SEEM TO QUIT SNOWING!!! lol

APauls - lol GREAT POST! And all things that have went through my mind. That wooded finger on the south area is roughly 400 yards deep, by 150 yards wide. The top area is roughly 300 yards deep (east and west), by 350 yards north and south. In TOTAL, all of the wooded that you can see is roughly 70 acres. I hunt a similar area to this and the deer like to bed back by the river, and feed out in the fields. I would NEVER hunt very far off of the field edge and risk bumping deer where they bed. The only exception would maybe be a couple all day sits during the rut on the north area. With the prevailing wind being right to left (west to east) it works the best to set up closer to the field edge anyway. The river is not huge, but they do not prefer to cross it. My best hunting ground right now is only 40 acres, but it is the rut fest you speak of with great action all day. We hunt it smart and stay away from bedding, it's surrounded on three sides by a river, the 4th is a ag. The deer stay in there and just run circles. I am assuming/hoping that is what would happen on this land as well. Like I said, the closest cover from this is 1.5 miles away unless they travel the river bank and stop in a thin strip of trees. This is in North Dakota, so yeh, we get snow. I think you are right in the fact that any deer on the north, will eventually make it to the south and vice versa. The kicker is, I don't know who will end up with the other area, how they will hunt, if they will hunt, or what exactly they will do with it.

Skippy - It's almost $10,000 per acre.

From: Norseman
29-Mar-18
The frog head looking piece

From: pointingdogs
29-Mar-18
Bottom would work very well for a nice northwest wind (as in a front moving in).

From: ROUGHCOUNTRY
29-Mar-18
Hmmmmm.....I think I like the north piece better with the "secluded" food plot but access could mean bumping deer. I like it better IF: You can access it from the west on the neighbors and cross the river without bumping deer or float the river down to it if you're out of sight and below a high bank or if it 's reasonable to sneak along the river bank.

Other than that, you could be bumping deer to access it every time you hunted. I definitely like the big block of cover better. Probably lest stand sight options though compared to the lower piece.

From: Franklin
29-Mar-18
NEITHER....for $10,000 an acre.

From: Skippy
29-Mar-18
Wow! That's a lot. If it's worth it to you go for it and good luck.

From: Shawn
29-Mar-18
25 acres 250 grand!! None of it, I live in NY and I would buy a 3 times that in Kansas or Iowa and hunt it a few times a year. Is this property in North Dakota? Why so much? Shawn

From: grubby
30-Mar-18
wow john, I like the looks of the south piece too. lots of options for 1 person to hunt....possibly 2. Having some property close to home is huge for me!

From: LBshooter
30-Mar-18
250k!! come to Illinois and buy yourself 100 plus acre farm. 10k per is really expensive, holy cow! Value man value.

From: LKH
30-Mar-18
Bit confusing? It appears that a wooded strip exists just outside your land on most boundaries with the field. Am I not reading this right?

I realize farm land has gotten crazy expensive, but this isn't farm land. Do you think it will auction that high?

From: OFFHNTN
30-Mar-18
Judging by the split, I'm glad to see my question about which piece is legit. lol

ROUGHCOUNTRY - Agreed. I would never hunt that food plot without a South/SW/SE wind. I would access it by hugging the river on the North side of the property and the stands would be on the East/NE side of the plot.

Shawn and LBshooter - to ME, having a property close, that I could hunt dozens of times, for 4 months a year, realistically shoot a 125-140" deer every year, with the occasional chance at a bigger one, is more worth it to ME than to have a property hundreds of miles away that I could only get to a few days a year if/when I draw a tag. Also property that I can not control who trespasses on because I am not there, and may or may not produce any whopper bucks that warrant having land in that state in the first place. This is all about location for me.

I just found out the appraised value is $8,500 an acre. The reason being is 1.) It is within a few miles of a large city, as well as 4 other small ones that are all growing. All together about 250,000 people. 2.) It is said to be going within a 2 BILLION dollar diversion that is to be built around these cities to prevent flooding. 3.) These cities are growing and expanding, developers will want this land should the city reach this area. It will be several years, if ever, to expand this far in my opinion.

grubby - Hey Josh. Agreed on stuff close, that is why this is so valuable to me! Overpriced? Yes. But my dream? Also yes.

In my dream world, after my kids are out of the house in 7-8 years, I would build my retirement home on this land. That is why the north piece has a small area of ag on the east side instead of following the tree line and field edge. I want that for a potential building site. The building site on the south piece would be about smack in the middle. If you extended the road that is on the bottom of the pic straight up to the point of meeting the black line, right there. If not, this is as much of an investment than anything I could always sell and make a nice profit. The land on the west side of the river, appraised for $15,000-$20,000 an acre. One 40 acre chunk of ag land recently sold for $20k/acre.

From: grubby
30-Mar-18
I have access to a lot of land and spend some time out of state every year, the piece I spend the most time on year in year out is the 20 acre piece my house sits on.

From: APauls
30-Mar-18
OFFHNTN I totally hear you on buying land close to home. I'm in the same boat and will be doing the same thing. I could buy twice the acreage for half the cost if it's 3 hours away, but that means instead of hunting it up to twice weekly it becomes 3 times per year. Some times you need to bite the bullet. If you know it's got deer on it maybe it's right for you. Maybe it's a great investment with the things going on you are talking about. Only time will tell.

From: OFFHNTN
30-Mar-18
APauls - YES! For years my two main hunting grounds were 2 hours away in opposite directions. Many many 3:00AM wake up calls to get in my stand by sunrise, and a long drive home at dark with an unpunched tag. I still have the one, but now my main ground is 45 minutes away and it feels like my back yard since it takes 20 minutes just to get out of town. LOL There is a price to pay for being "close".

Best of luck to you as well in your land search!

From: LKH
30-Mar-18
In 1999 I bought a place here in MT. Sort of in the middle of nothing. In 2013 I had to replace the old house. The appraisal came in at about 180% of what I paid. This year I've shot 4 coyotes out the living room window. Don't have to drive to hunt.

It will hurt for a while but I think you are eventually going to end up saving in spite of the cost. Let us know how it goes and good luck.

From: BOHUNTER09
30-Mar-18
Bought 25 acre tract in se Illinois 10 years ago. I have killed 3 p&y bucks and 4 other good ones in 10 years. Paid 33,000 then. It’s one mile from my house. Handy access is worth a lot. Farm ground here is about 8000 per acre. Ground like yours is about 2500 to 3000. $10000 seems high but it’s about supply and demand

From: BOHUNTER09
30-Mar-18
Small plots in the right place hunted carefully can really produce

From: BOHUNTER09
30-Mar-18
Small plots in the right place hunted carefully can really produce

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