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Caribou
Contributors to this thread:
MBMule 14-Apr-18
Elkhorn 14-Apr-18
Elkhorn 14-Apr-18
huntinelk 14-Apr-18
MBMule 14-Apr-18
ahunter55 14-Apr-18
Treeline 14-Apr-18
Charlie Rehor 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
bowonly 15-Apr-18
bowonly 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
bowonly 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
Treeline 15-Apr-18
arky 15-Apr-18
Pat Lefemine 15-Apr-18
Chris S 15-Apr-18
JTreeman 15-Apr-18
Nick Muche 15-Apr-18
Plum lake 15-Apr-18
Earltex 16-Apr-18
Nick Muche 16-Apr-18
M.Pauls 16-Apr-18
Kurt 16-Apr-18
BC 16-Apr-18
JL 16-Apr-18
M.Pauls 16-Apr-18
Nick Muche 16-Apr-18
Treeline 16-Apr-18
Bowriter 16-Apr-18
Treeline 16-Apr-18
Nick Muche 16-Apr-18
Kurt 16-Apr-18
APauls 16-Apr-18
Pigsticker 16-Apr-18
BOWUNTR 16-Apr-18
Kurt 16-Apr-18
huntinelk 16-Apr-18
JL 16-Apr-18
Pat Lefemine 16-Apr-18
JL 16-Apr-18
Treeline 16-Apr-18
Tyler 17-Apr-18
Nick Muche 17-Apr-18
BOWUNTR 17-Apr-18
BOWUNTR 17-Apr-18
Nick Muche 17-Apr-18
BOWUNTR 17-Apr-18
Nick Muche 17-Apr-18
From: MBMule
14-Apr-18
I’m going on a Central Canada Barren Ground caribou hunt this year in northern Manitoba and I’d like to practice field judging. Could you guys help me out by sharing your caribou photos and their scores? CCBG caribou would be ideal but any subspecies will help. Thanks!

From: Elkhorn
14-Apr-18
Look at score sheets to see what points are measured and which are merely counted. To me I like huge frames, but if there are lots of caribou, I look for 2 long top tines/side, rear points, double shovel, Bez length and then maybe number of points.

From: Elkhorn
14-Apr-18
Pictures don’t do as much for score, as knowing how to score a caribou

From: huntinelk
14-Apr-18
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=466081&forum=10

If this link works there are some pics and scores are towards the end of the thread.

From: MBMule
14-Apr-18
I’ve measured enough caribou to know how a caribou is scored, but I find it easier to practice field judging from photos where I can compare to the body size of the animal, instead of just looking at the skull or skull plate.

Huntinelk, that link worked, thanks!

From: ahunter55
14-Apr-18

ahunter55's embedded Photo
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When the 1st one walks by, it will look HUGE. We never scored our Quebec Caribou. We just had an awesome time (Me & son when he was 16)

From: Treeline
14-Apr-18

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Mountain Caribou - NWT
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Mountain Caribou - NWT
I have no idea. If he looks big enough, and you like him, shoot! I shot this one the first day of a 12-day hunt. The one standing next to him probably would have scored better and was half the distance at the shot but was narrow and I liked this one better. He scored 365” and change. Not all-time because I left the velvet on for the mount.

15-Apr-18
Fantastic animal and fine trophy pic!

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Barren Ground, but 388 net, just under 400 gross.

From: bowonly
15-Apr-18

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Central barren ground. 325 P&Y More going on up top than on the bottom

From: bowonly
15-Apr-18

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bowonly's embedded Photo
Side view

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Barren Ground, 331"

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Barren Ground, 320"

From: bowonly
15-Apr-18

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Another central barren ground. 304 P&Y hard horn score. The one above I kept the velvet on. Interesting thing about this one is the non-typ extra bez on the left antler. While interesting and adds character, it adds exactly zip to the score.

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Small, around 200"

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Smaller

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Smaller'er

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Smallerer'er aka sausage.

Few more months and we'll be at it again. Caribou are really fun to hunt! Good luck.

From: Treeline
15-Apr-18
Awesome to be an AK resident, huh, Nick! Still working on it myself:)

From: arky
15-Apr-18
Dang Nick seeing your pictures make me excited to get back up to Alaska in a couple months with the air guard this time so I won’t have to leave in 3 years lol!

From: Pat Lefemine
15-Apr-18

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Scored extremely high SCI and just average on PY.
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Scored extremely high SCI and just average on PY.
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Different Angle
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Different Angle
Here’s a good example why the BC & PY formula is goofy. This caribou scored 406 SCI and only 358 PY.

It is what it is. The bull next to him was way less impressive but would have scored 380ish. I made the right call.

I never officially entered him out of protest. ;-)

From: Chris S
15-Apr-18
I’m just gonna get really really good camo and follow Nick around and pick off the ones that skirt him!!

From: JTreeman
15-Apr-18
Nick, could you please give us a pic of one less than 80”? Just a little smaller is right up my alley ;)

—jim

From: Nick Muche
15-Apr-18

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Nick Muche's embedded Photo
Here's one around 80" Jim. They aren't very big in early July :)

But the bugs are terrible!

From: Plum lake
15-Apr-18

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Central Barren Ground 355”
Plum lake's embedded Photo
Central Barren Ground 355”
Manitoba Caribou. It was the 7th biggest shot in Manitoba that year. 355”

From: Earltex
16-Apr-18

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Kenai Peninsula Barren Ground Caribou. 428" Gross. 393 Net P&Y. Big deduction for only having one bez.

From: Nick Muche
16-Apr-18
Awesome bou Earl!!

From: M.Pauls
16-Apr-18
WOWZERS. Congrats

From: Kurt
16-Apr-18
Earl, What a 'bou! Congrats on him! Kurt

From: BC
16-Apr-18

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Barren ground, Kilbuck Mnts Alaska. Not sure on the score.

From: JL
16-Apr-18
Just curious about something mentioned above. Does the velvet have to be removed to score it?

From: M.Pauls
16-Apr-18
The way I read Pope & Young’s website, it does not as it has a (*) beside that category

From: Nick Muche
16-Apr-18
They have a velvet category.

From: Treeline
16-Apr-18
Nick,

Do they actually include the velvet entries in the book now?

I thought that they would only include the hard-horned entries in the book for whatever species (caribou, mule deer, whitetail deer, elk, etc.) and you would have to strip them off to enter in the all-time book.

From: Bowriter
16-Apr-18
Here is the best advice you are going to get. If you want to shoot him, shoot. Scores are only lines on paper. They don't mean jack spit.

From: Treeline
16-Apr-18
Yup. Have fun and good luck!

From: Nick Muche
16-Apr-18
I sure think so Tavis. I entered mine, got a cert and it was listed in the Ethic under Velvet BGC. I guess I'm not totally sure but they do accept velvet entries.

From: Kurt
16-Apr-18
P&Y has a separate listing for the velvet entries for each of the caribou species after the hard horned list. They are not listed with a rank but are arranged from biggest score to smallest. For instance in Mountain Caribou, velvet the largest is 432 2/8. Minimum is 300 for them. Treeline, your bull at 365 would be about 9th on the list if entered per the 2017 P&Y book.

From: APauls
16-Apr-18

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Here - if you want to know what not to shoot ;) 200". Unless it is the only caribou you see in your hunt like it was for me. Then you're absolutely ecstatic! And I had to wade through water to an island to be able to stalk it. Not letting him get away!

From: Pigsticker
16-Apr-18
Congrats and wow on some great bulls. I need to make it back to Alaska. I had a bull much like Nick’s walking towards me at about 40 yards when the wind shifted back in1997. Nick’s big velvet bull picture brought that moment right back on the front burner. I need to do caribou in the next couple of years.

From: BOWUNTR
16-Apr-18
"Here is the best advice you are going to get. If you want to shoot him, shoot. Scores are only lines on paper. They don't mean jack spit."

No need to get so riled up... MBMULE asked for scores and pics and that's what these guys are doing. The fact that these scores are being used for comparison between other animals proves that the scoring system is doing what it was originally designed to do.... so it does mean more than "jack spit." Ed F

From: Kurt
16-Apr-18
And to add on velvet entries, I believe they only are listed in one record book. The 8th edition will have a whole "nuther" list of new ones. Ed would know for sure.

From: huntinelk
16-Apr-18

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Q/L 303 3/8",almost half the score was beam length and spread.

From: JL
16-Apr-18
""And too add on velvet entries, I believe they only are listed in one record book.""

That was the other thought, is it just PY that does the velvet ones and not BC or SCI? Is this where Pat's beef is at with refusing to officially score his animal?

From: Pat Lefemine
16-Apr-18
I have no beef. The system is what it is.

I think the BC/PY method of scoring is outstanding for all animals except caribou. It’s screwy, and leaves a lot of bone still on the table. But seriously , who cares? Not me. I’ve got much bigger things to worry about than what my caribou scored. Nobody would have passed him up.

From: JL
16-Apr-18
Pat, I thought you were serious when you said you didn't score it out of protest. No worries. I personally never understood why years ago when they started up the PY/BC folks used deductions. IMO that method scores for perfection and not total score. They can't go back and redo it otherwise there would lawsuits out the kazoo. John

From: Treeline
16-Apr-18
Absolutely no way I would pass him up!

Heck, I’ve only gotten one chance to shoot a caribou! Thank goodness I was able to make it count on a good one!

From: Tyler
17-Apr-18

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Under 200
Tyler's embedded Photo
Under 200
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270
Tyler's embedded Photo
270
200 ish

From: Nick Muche
17-Apr-18
Good to know Kurt, thanks for clearing that up. I had no intention of stripping the velvet, in fact I got his antlers taken care of as soon as possible in order to preserve the velvet. My wife says he looks great on the wall, looking forward to seeing it myself in a week. That said, I'd strip a 440" bull :)

From: BOWUNTR
17-Apr-18
The top 100 velvet entries are listed in every printed book. Below that it's a one time printing. All entries are listed in the digital book, which in the past has been a CD. We are currently looking into e-books...

Caribou are very unique critters and are a challenge when they get big because they often grow unusual points that are not scored. They do have a common structure that is scored and represents normal growth. Caribou have more measurements than any other animal in the records program. We could have legit conversations all day long about what should be scored and what shouldn't... Beautiful animals no matter what the score is. Ed F

From: BOWUNTR
17-Apr-18

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Barren Ground 359 6/8. If it had a double shovel, more inside spread, longer back points... it would score higher. "It is what it is", Haha... Ed F

From: Nick Muche
17-Apr-18
259!? 75" short of P&Y, that's a tremendous looking bull and I'd be shooting.

From: BOWUNTR
17-Apr-18
Oops.... Ed F

From: Nick Muche
17-Apr-18
That makes more sense. Ha

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