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Contributors to this thread:
Bowriter 10-Jul-18
Paul@thefort 10-Jul-18
Treeline 10-Jul-18
drycreek 10-Jul-18
ki-ke 10-Jul-18
Bou'bound 10-Jul-18
Glunt@work 10-Jul-18
Robear 10-Jul-18
thedude 10-Jul-18
Huntcell 10-Jul-18
petedrummond 11-Jul-18
t-roy 11-Jul-18
Adventurewriter 11-Jul-18
Bowriter 11-Jul-18
stick n string 11-Jul-18
Halibutman 11-Jul-18
LINK 11-Jul-18
stick n string 11-Jul-18
yooper89 11-Jul-18
stick n string 11-Jul-18
eddie c 11-Jul-18
LBshooter 11-Jul-18
NoWiser 11-Jul-18
Franzen 11-Jul-18
Rut Nut 11-Jul-18
NoWiser 11-Jul-18
Adventurewriter 11-Jul-18
stick n string 11-Jul-18
APauls 11-Jul-18
ohiohunter 11-Jul-18
Bowfreak 11-Jul-18
Matt 11-Jul-18
tobywon 11-Jul-18
TreeWalker 11-Jul-18
DL 11-Jul-18
Habitat 11-Jul-18
WV Mountaineer 11-Jul-18
patdel 11-Jul-18
stick n string 11-Jul-18
LBshooter 11-Jul-18
TD 11-Jul-18
Flash 12-Jul-18
Bowriter 12-Jul-18
Franzen 12-Jul-18
LBshooter 12-Jul-18
ohiohunter 12-Jul-18
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Flash 12-Jul-18
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Linecutter 12-Jul-18
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Salagi 12-Jul-18
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From: Bowriter
10-Jul-18
Okay, so according to reports, lions killed six poachers. LMAO Yeah, right, I'm sure that's what happened, alright. After all, lions are bad about attacking and killing six armed poachers. Happens all the time. But I do believe they ate most of them.

From: Paul@thefort
10-Jul-18
John, I had exactly the same thought. The lions might have eaten them but the question might be, Who actually killed the poachers?

From: Treeline
10-Jul-18
Possible.

From the article they said there were 3 poachers armed with a rifle and an ax. Said they stumbled into the pride of lions.

They probably had an old junky military surplus rifle that was held together with wire and may or may not go bang. Most likely they were sticking to the tall grass to stay hidden and likely moving through at night.

Heck, they might not have gotten a shot off with a couple of good rifles in that situation!

From: drycreek
10-Jul-18
Well, there's one thing for sure, they are dead !

From: ki-ke
10-Jul-18
I thought the same thing!

"Da lion eet da men dat keel da Rino! See? Just a copla teet lef and da poor fellas hat ya see. Fo sho lion eet da bad man!"

I believe him.

From: Bou'bound
10-Jul-18
there may have been lions killed in the fight as well. never said there were not feline casualties.

From: Glunt@work
10-Jul-18
No matter

From: Robear
10-Jul-18
I've heard a story or two in Zim after a bry and a few drinks from an old time, tough as nails ranch owner who had been though a lot. Bush wars included.

One story involved a lion bait and a group of poachers that happenened by. The rest of the story I'm sure you can figure out.

Was it just bravado fueled by the fire and a few Castle Lagers? Could be, but I have a pretty good BS detector, and it was not going off at all.

From: thedude
10-Jul-18
I figured someone Bush whacked them and let the lions take care of the evidence soon as I heard the story.

From: Huntcell
10-Jul-18
Popular subject third thread on same story.

Lions making a comeback since the Cecil incident.

From: petedrummond
11-Jul-18
I thought they only catch the slowest one. Unless they are already dead from lead poisoning.

From: t-roy
11-Jul-18
I thought lions preferred live bait.

11-Jul-18
Way way way more people get munched by Lions every year...they is very little accounting for people in the wilds of Africa guy doesn't come back after trekking to another village they don't call the rescue helicopters he is just kinda gone and life moves on...

From: Bowriter
11-Jul-18
Oh, I believe they were poachers. I Believe the lions ate some of them, maybe a lot of them. I believe they are dead. I don't believe the lions killed them. I also believe, it worked out very well on all fronts. Case closed.

11-Jul-18
I like tater tots

From: Halibutman
11-Jul-18
Tater tots are the best use of the potato, period.

From: LINK
11-Jul-18
Fried taters are better than tater tots, hands down.

11-Jul-18
U watch your mouth Link...

From: yooper89
11-Jul-18
the man has a point. Tots can't be topped.

EDIT: unless they're in a pasty, of course.

11-Jul-18

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From: eddie c
11-Jul-18
what i want to know is what was left to know it was 3 of them, not 4 or 5?

From: LBshooter
11-Jul-18
Well, the fact that the poachers are no longer able to poach is a good thing in my mind. Now, I'm a little confused and disappointed in the anti hunting crowd. Why aren't they up in arms and making threats as they did when a hunter paid huge dollars to legally kill Cecil? Why isn't Jimmy kimmel crying on air for the lost of six human lives? Shouldn't the lions be villinized as the doctor was? it's all so confusing lol.

From: NoWiser
11-Jul-18
It's hard to feel sorry for the poachers, but then I put myself in their shoes. My family is the most important thing in the world to me. If I felt there was no other way to put food on the table for them other than sneaking into a rhino preserve and killing one, would I do it? I don't know the situation these poachers were in, so this may not be the case, but if I had to choose between a rhino dying and my daughter starving, I think I know what I'd do. Luckily I was born in a country where I don't need to make that choice.

From: Franzen
11-Jul-18
It has nothing to do with what country you were born in really, because I believe there are plenty that regularly make that decision here. It's just not "zoo" animals they are going after.

From: Rut Nut
11-Jul-18
I don't know stick.....................................................I'm a seasoned curly fry man myself! ;-)

From: NoWiser
11-Jul-18
Franzen, what I was getting at is that I was born in a country with plenty of opportunity to make money to put food on the table and give me family what they need without having to even consider poaching. Maybe these guys did, too. I'm not sure. Some of the comments about them are pretty harsh without knowing what it was like to live a day in their shoes. I'm sure some of them have little kids that are still asking when "Daddy" will be home. Sad deal for the rhinos, and the people involved. Every time I read something about Africa, I feel like I won the lottery just being born in the U.S.

11-Jul-18
No Wiser is on it

11-Jul-18
Right, that's disappointing. And I don't recommend going around telling other men your curly fry kind a guy. But luckily for you there's time to change and come to the light

From: APauls
11-Jul-18
Agree NoWiser, very easy to be holier than thou when we are all the way over here, having never lived a day in their shoes.

A poacher over here is a completely different story though.

From: ohiohunter
11-Jul-18
Thats the truth, no doubt if I had to live in those conditions my moral compass would be left at home. Its easy to sit on the green grass and criticize those on the other side of the pond scrounging around in the dirt. It truly is an eye opener when you see the poverty first hand.

From: Bowfreak
11-Jul-18
I have only limited experience in RSA but it was obvious to me that poaching and poachers literally were equivalent to the lowest form of life. I was told some pretty crazy stories while I was in Africa about how they "heard" what happened to poachers on certain occasions. It was obvious that I was not in the U.S.

From: Matt
11-Jul-18
Anti-hunters express many of the same sentiments everytime they hear about a hunter killed or injured from a tree stand fall.

From: tobywon
11-Jul-18
I hear what you guys are saying, but its hard for me to see someone waste an entire animal of that size (or any size for that matter) for a horn or tusk. You need to feed your family, take down plains game. I understand the high price of ivory or rhino horn is equivalent to gold or maybe even drug money here so the desire to do it is very strong. Bad deal all around.

From: TreeWalker
11-Jul-18
I would like to think I would act honorable in desperate times. Here is an observation, though, of what might happen if times were desperate: In 1906, Alfred Henry Lewis stated, “There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.”

If the food distribution system collapses in a region then can it be that in a mere 72 hours of hunger the stuff hits the fan?

Anyone on here been in a region that had sudden collapse of the food distribution system? Earthquake, war zone, etc?

From: DL
11-Jul-18
I wonder if we were in their place what would we do? You have no real source of income, family is hungry, this is your country and foreigners have come in and telling you how to live. What would you do if liberals came in and took over the government? Then said you can’t hunt or fish anymore. Would you turn in your hunting and fishing gear? So now your unemployed, no hunting is allowed and your family has little or no food. What would you do? I’m angered by their poaching but I also understand their plight.

From: Habitat
11-Jul-18
When we were over there a couple years ago they shot a rhino poacher after he shot at a ranchers chopper.There were 2 poachers and trackers were trying to push them out to the open.All those talk show host are a bunch of disrespectful non americans that don't deserve to be in a country of free speech.So tired of listening to their crap

11-Jul-18
Link X 2. You fellas that like tater tots better then fried taters got problems. Serious problems. :^) Dang it man, I miss white taters and bread bad.

No Wiser X 10.

11-Jul-18
they look at as easy money just like all the other criminals. They know what they are doing and they don't care. they just want the dough.

From: patdel
11-Jul-18
Nowiser you should change your handle to significantly wiser.

Well said.

I watched a documentary years ago about poaching in Africa. A camera crew was following a park ranger over there. He spotted two guys walking somewhere they shouldn't have been. He had everybody take cover and laid an ambush. Shot them both from cover with no warning of any kind.

He explained that if they saw him first, it would have been the other way around.

Things we take for granted here are matters of life and death for others.

I'm sure lots of poaching is ego or greed driven, but I'm sure some of it is also a matter of survival.

Perspective makes a big difference.

11-Jul-18
WV, i gotta be honest. I've always respected the heck outta you. But there is a line man, and you crossed it. Id be less upset with you if you started shooting a crossbow...;^)

From: LBshooter
11-Jul-18
With respect Nowiser, your reason for them poaching is an excuse, sorry. Every criminal in America could say the same thing. Oh I killed that guy because I wanted his money to feed my kids, or I robbed that little old lady because I needed the money to feed my kids, I didn't mean to bash her head in. Excuses made for illegal behavior doesn't justify the act. It's wrong and they know it, they just happen to be to lazy to find other options.

From: TD
11-Jul-18
Geez..... I bet those guys even had names too.....

From: Flash
12-Jul-18
We aren't talking jail sentence or fines. Killing a person over animal doesn't make sense. .. I've been to Africa and seen what the conditions of life are for those people. I would lie, cheat and steal to get out of that way of life. Without thinking twice about what was right or wrong...

From: Bowriter
12-Jul-18
Hmmm, so to me, this debate, if that is what it is, brings up another question. What is more acceptable or palatable poachers dead from a lion attack or from landowner bullets? What if they had been killed by a rhino stampede or genocide? What is the most palatable death for a poacher? How should they be dealt with in that society? Would not death by welfare and public dole be more humane. Maybe, we should send more aid and food stamp them to death. (I feel sure, a significant number will take this post seriously.) Now a disclaimer. I have never hunted in Africa, never wanted to, never intend to. I was in Africa in 1964...for 18-hours. They were shelling the airport when we took off and I vowed to never return. That said, in 1998, I spent half a day, (night, actually,) with two gentlemen one white and one black who were quite high up in the government game management business in Africa. I cannot remember what country. They were quite vehement and in agreement on just how poachers should be handled. They agreed, there was only one solution and that poaching could and would wipe out entire species if not controlled. I have a close friend, leaving in three weeks for his seventh African hunting trip. He is a retired criminal court judge who has invested wisely and as a result is moderately wealthy. He has offered to pay entirely for me to join him on a hunt to kill, I think, seven animals. I was not and am not even tempted. But I asked what he thought of this recent bit of "news". He just laughed and said, "Anyone who thinks what happened to those poachers was undeserved or done by lions, does not comprehend the economics of the situation." I have no idea what that means. This I know. In 2005, on an Alabama plantation, another guide and caught two trespassing poachers red-handed with four deer. They were charged and tried on a variety of state and federal violations (sellin game and Lacy Act violations). Both were convicted on all charges, fined $1,500 each plus restitution and 60 days incarceration. One year later, almost to the day, both were caught on another plantation, doing the same thing. Dead poachers do not have a high recidivism rate, not even in Africa. So, I wrote this song.

I'm sittin on the bayou bank She stole my truck with half-a tank. Yeah I'm gonna miss her. But probably not by much.

Cause this .308 is sighted in. Got a box of shells and a pint of gin. Maybe, I'll miss her. If I do, I shoot again.

From: Franzen
12-Jul-18
My post was not meant to imply that we don't have so much more opportunity in the States. I realize that is what you were getting at No Wiser. We certainly do, and it is certainly worth being very, very thankful for. However, my point was to a much smaller extent maybe, someone here could be in the same situation in regards to providing for themselves or their family. We still have unemployment, and we still have poverty here. So, it is very hard for me to say "a poacher is a poacher" over here in North America, while we try to cut some slack to the African poachers without knowing their backstory.

From: LBshooter
12-Jul-18
Let's not forget that those same poachers will and would kill you in a heart best if you ran across them in the bush. They know they are breaking the law and they also know the consequences of thier actions if caught, so let's not roll out the tear mat for them.

From: ohiohunter
12-Jul-18
I don't think there is any sympathy for the unfortunate poachers, nor does anyone here condone their crime. I also don't think anyone here is holier than thou to say under similar circumstances they'd never commit the crime or any crime for that matter. Not a chance in hell you would have the same mindset you have now had you been born and raised in extreme poverty. Opportunities are endless here, they are rare in other places.

12-Jul-18
Wonder if they have tater tots over there. Probably not. They probably think fried taters are better. Thats why they poach....

From: Flash
12-Jul-18
We aren't talking jail sentence or fines. Killing a person over animal doesn't make sense. .. I've been to Africa and seen what the conditions of life are for those people. I would lie, cheat and steal to get out of that way of life. Without thinking twice about what was right or wrong...

From: Salagi
12-Jul-18
"You fellas that like tater tots better then fried taters got problems. Serious problems." Link and WV are 100% right in this case. You tot boys invalidate any argument you might make otherwise. ;)

As to the poachers, One thing we have to keep in mind when discussing this is we are looking at it from a North American, pretty well off mindset. I grew up in what would be considered low income if not poverty level, (never even saw a tater tot until way up in school age and then only with a school lunch), yet compared to many of those countries over there, we are so well off there is really no comparison. Our mentality on crime and punishment as well as game management and poaching is different as well. This makes it hard to pass judgement in this case, at least to do so fairly. It is too bad anyone lost their life, but I have problems working up too much sadness over these poachers.

12-Jul-18
This thread has me sad for mankind, it really does. Need to step back and think with a clear mind.

Fried taters aint better than tots. Get with it

From: Flash
12-Jul-18
We aren't talking jail sentence or fines. Killing a person over animal doesn't make sense. .. I've been to Africa and seen what the conditions of life are for those people. I would lie, cheat and steal to get out of that way of life. Without thinking twice about what was right or wrong...

From: grubby
12-Jul-18
My son is in Kenya right now. He messaged me this morning that he had attended a lecture on poaching, killing an elephant gets you life in a Kenyan prison. I wonder if that's better than the justice by Lion?

From: Linecutter
12-Jul-18
There is poaching and then poaching that forces an extermination of a species just for profit. Our country eventually got smart and enacted game laws to protect the game. Over there only money protects them (Hunters money) it gives them value. Over there who knows maybe they only way to stop the poacher is to kill them. The poacher there KNOWS what is going to happen to them if the get caught. They are willing to take the gamble and pay the price when caught. As mentioned if the Park Ranger was spotted first he would have more than likely been ambushed he would have been kill and more than likely the camera crew that was with him. Poaching there is a life and death game. Same with drugs here it is all about the money (the amount of money), some are willing to risk it all to obtain wealth and don't care what the side effects are. DANNY

From: greg simon
12-Jul-18
First of all you guys that prefer tater tots ain't never had my Mama's fried taters!!

Second, comparing poachers in Africa to US is apples to oranges. Here we are dealing with mostly a recreational activity. In Africa it is a life or death struggle. Those animals represent one sides very ability to survive and the poachers are trying to steal that. Poachers know the penalty if caught, yet evidently the possible reward is enough for some to take the risk. Life is hard and it is not fair. Sometimes it comes down to kill or be killed. I am very thankful to be here debating on a computer screen versus living it!!!

From: Salagi
12-Jul-18
" I am very thankful to be here debating on a computer screen versus living it!!!"

Amen Greg! And I fully agree it is apples to oranges.

From: Salagi
12-Jul-18

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From: Robear
12-Jul-18
Another time when I was in Zim, the game scouts found where a poacher had snared a warthog under a fence. Snares are a huge problem over there. One of the PH's grabbed a couple trackers, and a few other workers and they tracked this guy back to his hut. There they proceeded to give him a lesson on the dangers of getting caught setting illegal snares. After they were done with the lesson, the local constabulary was summoned, and the rascal was carted off to the jail. I'm sure that wasn't a pleasant way to spend a few days. Later in the hunt, we ran across a warthog that had been caught in a snare by the front leg, but had broken the wire. It was a sad thing to see, and I dispatched the suffering animal and ended his misery.

From: DL
12-Jul-18
When I was in Canada at a friends his good friend came by. He talked about a number of his trips to Africa. He was told by the PH if they saw poachers shoot them. During his hunt they ran into one but was not about to shoot him. At night they were talking about the event and orher run ins with Poachers. The owner said they had a hunter come from Germany. He had asked them if they could set up a sting on poachers so he could shoot one. They informed they would not do anything like that.

From: Rut Nut
13-Jul-18
The bias in this thread is astounding! I had no idea there was such hatred for the good 'ol fried tater! You Tot Boys must be gettin' a kickback from Ore Ida or something..................................... ;-)

From: LINK
13-Jul-18
My view of tots could be slightly skewed. My wife once fed me cauliflower tots.

13-Jul-18
Lets get this straight....Its not a hatred for fried potatoes. Its appreciation for tater tots. I think we can all agree that the potato itself is one of the best things of all the land. Its versatility is astounding, a "five tool player" that has way more than 5 tools, if you will. To me, tots versus fried potatoes is shooting a 170" buck versus a 160" buck. Either way, im smiling....

From: Rut Nut
13-Jul-18
Ok stick..................................................I stand corrected. I'll just call you a TOT FANBOY from now on! ;-)

13-Jul-18
Perry, Ive been called worse. I once had someone think i used Rage broadheads.....;^)

Link, ur a great man for still standing by her after that!

From: Rut Nut
13-Jul-18
LOL stick! : )

Link- WTH is a cauliflower tot???!!!

13-Jul-18
Cruel and unusual punishment. Thats what it is

From: NoWiser
13-Jul-18
I know your pain all too well, Link. I've experienced it first hand. My daughter is the only glue strong enough that it held us together after that.

From: tobywon
13-Jul-18
A cauliflower tot is the "worse" part in the "for better or worse" of your wedding vows.

From: LINK
13-Jul-18
A tot made of ground up cauliflower. Supposed to be a healthy alternative. I tried my best to eat my helping but quit and told her she better not buy that crap again. I can eat nearly anything including tater tots ;) but a cauliflower tot is nasty. This is coming from a guy that likes cauliflower.

13-Jul-18
I'm trying to think of how much free hunting time it would buy me to make us even for my wife trying to feed me at tot made from cauliflower. That's a borderline going to see a counselor to work out your differences offense.

From: Rut Nut
13-Jul-18
LMBO guys!!!!!!!!!!!! : )

That reminds me of a commercial I saw a couple years ago. 2 guys standing over a grill with some fake(soy- ie vegan) hot dogs cooking. One guy looks at the other with a puzzled look and asks him: "Is GREY done???!!!" ;-)

From: Salagi
13-Jul-18
Cauliflower tots sound like Jake from State Farm - hideous. My wife fed me some sort of mashed cauliflower concoction last night that wasn't too bad. Of course it was covered with lots of bacon bits and that helped. Fried taters are still better.

From: Robear
13-Jul-18
Can we get back to lions eating people?

From: Robear
13-Jul-18

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13-Jul-18
Dam right Robear....good Lord were talking about tater tot s and cauliflower when we could be talking about cool shit like man eating lions...!!!!! I'm gonna post a sculpture I did of a maneater soon standby .......

13-Jul-18
Sorry...really haven't had much time to read through all these posts, but...has anyone mentioned waffle fries? If there was one potato left on Earth, and I had to decide how to prepare it, I'm wafflin' that sucker! Tots are nice....until you've had the sweet potato variety....it's inhumane, and quite frankly, a culinary abomination. And cauliflower tots?!? WTH is going on here? LINK....I'm sorry you had to endure that....I don't even have the words.

From: DMC65
13-Jul-18
Best laugh I've had in a while adventurewriter! Question I have is when are the wealthy asian guys who buy the rhino horn to use as an aphrodesiac gonna get some credit for their part of the poaching epidemic . No market no poaching.

From: t-roy
13-Jul-18

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Haters gonna hate!

Taters gonna..........tate?

From: ohiohunter
13-Jul-18
I had read about dying the horns and ivories pink making them useless.

I’ve also seen a hunter pay to shoot/ tranquilize a rhino. I’d like to see more of that.

From: Bowriter
14-Jul-18
Tater Tots-The True Abomination: This is how it should be. Bream fillets, pork chop, sliced homegrown with Hellmans, mom's homemade tater salad, green beans with bacon, big glass, sweet tea. These are the fruits, (and vegetables,) of my labor. Lasterday, I had dead deer meat with baked tater, homegrown and turnip greens. (Good thing I only eat one meal a day.)

From: Bowriter
14-Jul-18

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Tater Tots-The True Abomination: This is how it should be. Bream fillets, pork chop, sliced homegrown with Hellmans, mom's homemade tater salad, green beans with bacon, big glass, sweet tea. These are the fruits, (and vegetables,) of my labor. Lasterday, I had dead deer meat with baked tater, homegrown and turnip greens. (Good thing I only eat one meal a day.)

From: AZ~Rich
14-Jul-18
pretty far off topic now!

14-Jul-18
Not far off topic. Arguing about the best way to eat a potato is no less interesting or important than 90% of bowriters topics in his threads. Cant prove anything one way or another, its just a buncha opinion jibberish being slung around without anything really changing. Was a fun experiment and it went better than i thought it would!!! Other than being pretty disappointed with many tot hatin ppl here that i always thought i was cool with....;^)

From: LINK
14-Jul-18
Lol^^^

I don’t really dislike tots. I was just trolling all the guys from Wisconsin. ;)

From: KsRancher
14-Jul-18
Bowriter. What's on those tomatoes.

From: patdel
16-Jul-18
What in the world is a Bream?

From: elkstabber
16-Jul-18
Interpretation of Southern language and tradition: The white stuff on the tomato slices is mayonnaise, and not the light stuff. "Bream" is the proper spelling, "brim" is the proper pronunciation, for bluegill or any member of the sunfish family.

Sometimes I like tots and sometimes fried potatoes. Dip them in a mix of mayonnaise and ketchup if you want to do it right.

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