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I know this is not new, but wow! South Africa's economy has suffered for sometime, how do they not know this is going to make things way worse? Unless I'm missing something?
What’s going on there is the current president intends to change the constitution and take land from white farmers and give it to black people. Or that’s my understanding. I’ve been there twice and thought of going back. I wonder what the country will look like in five years.
It will be a disaster in SA. No way the black landowners and farmers will match what the white landowners production. It`s a recipe for disaster.... if they violently takeover the property, any person that patronizes SA is a scumbag.
Zimbabwe all over again. How do they expect a better outcome? There, the breadbasket of Africa turned into a nation of ruin. I met an 18 year old apprentice PH in Zim whose family was evicted from their farm. He said armed men showed up at their farm house at dusk and told them if they were still there at dawn, they would be shot. They left and lived, but some farmers resisted and died.
My PH in 2016 said that legal papers had been filed to evict his family from their farm, but they hadn't been able to prove that the area had been occupied at the time the farm was established, so it was thrown out. Hope they continue to be able to keep their farm.
Interesting stuff for sure
Got a man on the ground there, right now. This happens to some degree, every time there is an election coming up. Sometimes, it gets deadly.
Sounds like the black/white crap going on here in the USA. I am not trying to start a political fight.
I have seen first hand what happened in Zimbabwe. It was horrible. I cannot see how it would be to much different in S.A.
Any way to fly into Namibia with out going through Joburg?
Sounds like war is brewing. I know I wouldn't give up what was mine just because someone said "hey we think it's time to give someone else a turn that hasn't earned it"...
Yes there is Elkman. I think it is through Doho.
Atlanta to Frankfurt then Frankfurt to Windhoek. Hotel directly across the street from airport in Frankfurt to get a day room.
There already have been some farmers relocating to Russia to farm in fear of their lives. As Robear stated it will eventually turn into a tribal civil war before it is over.
Fly Qatar, layover in Doha, then straight into Windhoek
August 31 was going to be the ending date for the "committee" to make their recommendations about amending the RSA constitution regarding "land grabbing." The deadline date has now been moved to the end of September to give the "committee" to formulate their recommendation(s) to the amending process of the constitution.
The question is- will the Russians interfere with the amendment recommendation process?
Divide and conquer is a universal recipe for political domination success. It works every time and everywhere.
It will end up being armed conflict.....
Before they evicted me I'd burn everything I could to the ground and poison the water supply. Leave them nothing. It will ruin South Africa as it did in Zimbabwe. On a less violent tack, When are the black South Africans going to admit that all of the black tribes of southern Africa stole the land from the Bushmen and push them into the desert area's in order to survive? I'm sure the Bushmen would like to have their land back.
Hmm, wasn’t Obama just over there acting as a frontman just recently. Racial divide, poor economy, and promoting a failed system that is the New Democratic party’s catch phrase... SOCIALISM.
I believe Lufthansa has direct flights to Windhoek from germany.
Socialism at it’s finest. This is where the Dems policies want to take the US. I have friends in SA and it is getting very bad.
Can you be specific about “it is getting very bad” statement? Tks
Come on guys...you are spoiling the nice happy lefty ending that had the international liberals yodeling of justice and doing cartwheels...that whole story already has a nice bow tied on it when Mandela was released...turn it all over and surely is a short period of time they will be designing space age jet engines and astonish the world with efficiency and the place will be running like a a swiss watch...come on man get those white devils out of there!!! grrrrrrrrr...............
After all all they did was take one of the most primitive corners of the world and turn it into a garden spot.... and considering the remote location a economic wonder
Was In RSA in may, there was a farm auction down the road from where we were hunting, The family had been trying to sell this farm for several years with no offers (go figure). Anyway, they decided on an auction, only 1 person showed up and no bids were given! Nobody wants to buy anything if they are going to loose it! I imagine these unsold properties will be the first to go. I was also told by another person, tour operator, that a farm we passed by that was over grown and the building falling down was the first one in that region the government took and gave to someone else. They said after all the animals were killed for food and the crops failed the New farmers walked away and it has been sitting like that for several years. Will get much worse before it gets better.
I talked with an RSA outfitter Sunday aft at a wildlife expo. I talked with him at length about the land grabbing issue. He said it is simply the current president posturing for support for next year’s election. Not really a big issue, just a lot of media hype.
So who do you believe is telling the true story?
Just got back from a hunting trip in Namibia. Flew Qatar airlines through Doha airport directly to Windhoek. There are also a few other direct flights into Windhoek which permits you to bypass Johannesburg. Seems like most people that have problems with stuff stolen out of their baggage have connected through J'burg.
The problems in SA are real. My outfitter's father lives in SA so I talked with him a bit about the current situation. He thinks a lot of it is political posturing by the black majority party to maintain their control of the government. He thinks that most people realize that it would be suicide to go the route that Zimbabwe took. They are still trying to recover from the fallout. Namibia does not have anywhere near the racial unrest that is present in many other African countries. That said, they have problems with the government resettling native Africans to farms. They quickly kill all of the game and then trespass and poach from surrounding lands that are managing game properly. We drove through a lot of areas where the natives had settled and they have decimated the habitat with cattle and goat farming. Hard to see how things will get any better given the present political climate of appeasement to native Africaners.
Ollie, great feedback from "boots on the ground." Tks
SA is a wreak. A small time on the internet will reveal all anyone needs to know.
I take anything from someone who has a great interest ( outfitters) in the idea its over hyped...I talked to a guy recently about his first trip to SA and he said the best week of my life...first five days had the best hunting experience of his life then two guy broke into the parents house killing the PH's elderly parents stealing a little...they easily tracked them down and actually captured them
I meant to say best week of my life and worst week of my life...
How many people died from homicide last weekend in Chicago? I heard it was over 40!
Exactly, The whole countries annual Homicide rate is probably equal to a busy Chicago weekend.
Spent a few weeks there about a year ago. The crime and racial unease is very real and is noticed. The outfitting and tourism groups do a good job at hiding it from guests. The crime is very real and much goes undocumented. I did a trip there in 2015 also ,one of the concessions we hunted and wanted to return to had been lost to the restructuring or what ever it is called. Going with a quality PH you should have no problems.
Well crap ... it HAS started .....
Never been to SA. I had hoped to go in a year or two. So my question: They call these "farms". For those of you that have been to SA and hunted..... can you actually farm this land? I was under the impression that some of these hunting operations are only good for hunting and not farming [I am sure that there are exceptions]. Thanks in advance.
It would probably be more accurate to refer to the hunting operations as being "ranches." In general, the land is too arid and probably not fertile enough for truck or row cropping. Cattle/goat/sheep ranching are pretty common. My wife and I got a rental car and drove from Namibia to Victoria Falls. Saw plenty of cattle and goat ranching but very, very few planted crops other than large backyard gardens.
There is farming in RSA on some game ranches but they are highly irrigated. Some of the best alfalfa fields I’ve ever seen have been in RSA.
So far it’s just politics. They are saying no white person should own more than 25,000 acres. And the far left want to take ranch’s over 25,000. But many others in the country remember what happened the last time they did it. I read a lot are not waiting and are headed out now.
It’s “game farm” not livestock farm. “Farm” is the term used in Africa not ranch per se.
My wife and I are still going unless there's a full blown battle going on we're in.