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Arrow weight vs speed question
With a ready to hunt arrow weight of 397.635 grains my Halon is pushing it 305 fps. Ive got people telling me I need heavier arrows for whitetail and others saying I am good to go? Whats the opinion around here?
Whitetails no problem but personally I would opt for something heavier for larger game.
Whitetail and turkeys are my only interest with a bow
You are pushing just over 82 ft lbs of Kenetic energy. How far do you want to bury your arrow in the dirt? As long as your broadheads are hair popping sharp you have a great setup. Hunt with confidence.
It’s windy and shots can be long in Kansas which use the positives that a heavier arrow. Now I am not the go heavier and then a little bit more is even better but I do think that it is best to have speed and weight equally balanced.
You've got enough for Deer, Black Bear, Elk, Caribou and of course Turkey and hogs, esp. if you use a good fixed head ... I have NOT went over the 400-405 gr mark in 20 years since Goldtip came out, over 60 deer(bucks and Does) killed in that time frame (quite a few bucks 170-224lbs FD range), over 80 archery killed overall.. ... I'm at 385 grs now with my Velocity 340 XTs (main set up) and 405 grs with the Hunter XT 340's (back up bow).... 303 fps and 295 fps respectively ... I use COC ViperTricks and Steelheads(XL's).... there hasnt been a deer in those 20 years that I have not either blown thru or got at the least two holes, excluding a few spine hits. Ive blown thru shoulder blades and busted many opposite leg bones on exit... ... I have NEVER lost a deer due to lack of penetration.... I'm at 78lb KE/.51-.53 MO. with my set ups ... that is more than enough for any deer that walks and I wouldnt hesitate to use the Hunter XT 340's on Elk with the Vipertricks .. and yes, my bow IS very quiet..
I was only taking a philosophical stance. There are still advantages to gain other than penetration. Heavier is better in the wind, maintains kinetic energy and increased momentum, plus is normally quieter shooting. Since you asked.
I only use 350 to 370 grains and all I hunt is whitetail and no problems with pass throughs. Keep it as is! I’m only shooting in the 280’s with my short draw length and no problems.
Come on guys....somebody is "stroking" us...lol. 82lbs of KE is borderline....for CAPE BUFFALO. KS is actually wondering if this set up is enough for whitetail and turkey....lmao.
I think the advantages of heavy outweighs light, assuming you can still get good speed. Quieter bow, more momentum, better penetration on bone. Only advantage to a light arrow and fast bow is flatter shooting, but from a white tail tree stand is that helpful?
I had guys on another forum saying that I wouldnt get good penetration without an 500 grain arrow.
KS, you are producing enough energy to take on elk or moose so whitetail is a no brained.
I am at 440 grains but lot slower, I am in the 270fps range and I have shot that for at least 20 years and have kill 100 plus whitetails in that time and it has never been an issue. I shoot a COC head(VPA's for the last 10 years and Steelforce before that) that is scary sharp. Trust me you have more than enough weight and speed to kill anything in NA, even moose!! Shawn
Another forum? But why? Everything needed is here since 1996! Welcome!
“Come on guys....somebody is "stroking" us...lol. 82lbs of KE is borderline....for CAPE BUFFALO. KS is actually wondering if this set up is enough for whitetail and turkey....lmao.”
Perfect example of why KE is meaningless for large and dangerous game! He’s also shooting a 400 grain arrow and that likely wouldn’t penetrate into the body cavity on a Cape buffalo, even with the right broadhead.
I ve only been in the deer game 2 years. Ive only taken 3 deer. My previous bow was a Switchback XT. Shooting rage broadheads I never got pass through. The only doe I shot killed drt from 12 yds with no passthrough. My first deer was a 163" deer my second time ever in the stand. Only 1 of 3 blades opened, i had buck fever, and we got on the track too soon so it took me 2 days to recover. I actual bought a new bow properly set up and I have switched to fixed blade Magnus heads this year. Its amazing what properly draw length and a proper set up does to confidence an accuracy. I want good clean kills with pass through so I have good bloodtrails. Hence when those guys said I needed heavier arrows for better penetration I got nervous.
IS speed important from a tree stand ? ... yes, it is, for me and others shooting/hunting the way I do ... I use one pin to 40 yds, no adjusting ... that pin is set at 25 yds ... the faster I am, the longer my "kill zone" is with that setting .. right now I'm basically 5-35 yds and still within the heat lungs within that range ... try doing that with a slow bow, heavy arrow ... at 40 yds, I drop only 8 inches, I hold level with the deer's back, and it drops right in ... been killing deer like this for many years .... fool proof for me ...
Your problem is not arrow weight and speed, it’s expandable broadheads. A good sharp cut on contact BH is super efficient and deadly at much lower KE
Baloney Tilzbow....We have been using KE formulas to kill dangerous game since the 60`s. The "fans" pal....not the "players". There is a diminished point of return in either KE or momentum....you pushing a certain amount of mass at a certain amount of speed. KS`s set up will kill every animal in N. America....Period.
Ask a African PH what equipment you will need to hunt dangerous game in his camp and 99% will answer that question using the phrase...."a minimum of ???? KE".
With that much horsepower I'd shoot a heavier arrow. Something in the mid 400 grain range. You'd still be shooting plenty fast that trajectory isn't going to be an issue.
I have a set up very similar to yours 385 gr arrows including 100 grain magnus buzzcuts at around 300 FPS, several years ago I managed to turn a bull elk around that was leaving but he was coming back at an angle not right to me, I figured out where he was going to enter a clearing and ranged a tree there at 50 yards, he stopped right there as expected behind that tree, using my sight set at 50 I held a little high since he was behind the tree. he ran about 100 yrds and piled up. I couldn't find my arrow at first but found it the next day, 15 yards behind where he was standing. not only was it a complete pass thru but it passed thru the off side scapula. turned out he was actually at 60 yards so the flatter trajectory of the faster arrow probably saved the day. your current set up is fine for what your hunting. by the way I went to this set up as a "big swing" change due to some less than spectacular performance from my 550 gr arrows including 125 grain Muzzy broadheads, burried one arrow to the fletchings right in the crease, got the bull but at 17 yards I expected better, the experts also tell you the heavy arrow is better if you hit bone, well I lost a bull that I hit broadside at 30 yards with that 550 grain arrow, hit something in the shoulder, the arrow fell out minus the trocor tip and all the blades, the ferrel was mangled, impossible to say if my current arrow would have performed better but it couldn't have been any worse. I switched to light and fast and have no regrets.
I’ve gotten your desired results many times with a 400-450 gr arrow shooting around 180 FPS out of my recurve, on deer. FIXED blade broadheads of course, and out to 35yds once.
Now, I’ve missed a few too, but that’s on me, not my bow or setup. Lol
Forgot to add, I wasn’t bragging trust me. I was just saying you should be MORE than good nuff, and I wouldn’t waste another second sweating it. Now, smile!
Perfect arrow for deer, I was shooting a 340gr arrow for deer and bear a while back, never had an issue
My kids shoot clean through deer with a 40# bow and a 325 gr arrow. I think you're good!
You're setup is fine, especially with a COC broadhead. After all these various threads like this over the years, in regards to "deer", I think guys worry to much about arrow weight and speed. Instead, I don't think a lot of guys appreciate the amount of energy it takes to open up a mechanical head or punch thru the hide with a tip like Muzzys have. Lets face it, guys have been getting complete pass thrus for decades out of 40# longbows shooting 600 grain arrows. BUT, what is always on the front of the arrow..... A COC fixed blade broadhead. I know there are guys who will disagree with that comment, but its just my two cents and observations over the years.
That setup will be fine. You will have no issues. To optimize penetration (If it was my setup) I would shoot as much arrow weight as possible to give me at least 270 fps.