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Wyoming NR Elk draw change, hallelulah
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Contributors to this thread:
WapitiBob 22-Sep-18
Charlie Rehor 22-Sep-18
Brun 22-Sep-18
Michael 22-Sep-18
7mm08 22-Sep-18
LUNG$HOT 22-Sep-18
Brotsky 22-Sep-18
WapitiBob 22-Sep-18
YZF-88 22-Sep-18
WapitiBob 22-Sep-18
Quinn @work 22-Sep-18
Scoot 22-Sep-18
Grasshopper 22-Sep-18
YZF-88 22-Sep-18
Huntcell 22-Sep-18
Native Okie 22-Sep-18
IdyllwildArcher 22-Sep-18
WapitiBob 23-Sep-18
Native Okie 23-Sep-18
Mossyhorn 23-Sep-18
Native Okie 23-Sep-18
LUNG$HOT 23-Sep-18
Trial153 23-Sep-18
BULELK1 23-Sep-18
standswittaknife 23-Sep-18
Trial153 23-Sep-18
7mm08 23-Sep-18
sticksender 23-Sep-18
midwest 23-Sep-18
herdbulll 23-Sep-18
Mule Power 23-Sep-18
WapitiBob 23-Sep-18
WapitiBob 23-Sep-18
Houska 23-Sep-18
Jims 23-Sep-18
Inshart 23-Sep-18
Native Okie 23-Sep-18
Firsty 23-Sep-18
Mule Power 23-Sep-18
grossklw 23-Sep-18
Panther Bone 23-Sep-18
Trial153 23-Sep-18
mulecreek 24-Sep-18
NoWiser 24-Sep-18
midwest 24-Sep-18
Serrano 24-Sep-18
Bowfreak 24-Sep-18
Mule Power 24-Sep-18
Lost Arra 24-Sep-18
Bowfreak 24-Sep-18
From: WapitiBob
22-Sep-18
Commission voted to create regulation changing the NR Elk draw to coincide with the May Antelope/Deer draw. App period will still open in January and the regulation will need final approval.

22-Sep-18
Bob: How is that helpful?

From: Brun
22-Sep-18
It sounds worse to me, but I could easily be missing something.

From: Michael
22-Sep-18
Yeah I think that sucks if it’s moved to May

From: 7mm08
22-Sep-18
The way he worded it, still starts in Jan. I don't understand the jest of the post though. Is the app period extended through to the same end date as Antelope?

From: LUNG$HOT
22-Sep-18
Ummmm yeah.... I’d say that’s NOT a good thing. IMO.

From: Brotsky
22-Sep-18
That kinda sucks. I’d like to know if I drew or not much earlier than that for planning my fall.

From: WapitiBob
22-Sep-18
Charlie, changes to quotas and seasons will now be made before the draw. We'll be able to benefit from Elk quota increases. The area 45 archery change proposed last year after NR drew licenses was the tipping point.

From: YZF-88
22-Sep-18
Where did you see this? I’d like to see if they are going to change some type 9 units such that the type 1 tag holders cannot hunt in Sept.

From: WapitiBob
22-Sep-18
None of that stuff has been discussed yet. This was part of the nr license allocation review process that started in November 2017 and last discussed at the Sept. Commission meeting.

From: Quinn @work
22-Sep-18
I can't say I support this. It was nice knowing if you drew WY elk in February before the other draw deadlines. If they change the quota plus or minus a few tags before the draw that doesn't affect many people anyway.

From: Scoot
22-Sep-18
I think this sucks. I liked thertiming much better as it was.

From: Grasshopper
22-Sep-18
Ya can't turn in tags and get a refund in Wyo. If folks drop out of the draw, I'd consider that beneficial to me personally.

From: YZF-88
22-Sep-18
I really like the timing as is. Really helps from a planning perspective (vacation and work).

From: Huntcell
22-Sep-18
Not good . Is this done deal, the final word. I hope not. Any supporting link?

From: Native Okie
22-Sep-18
Here is the deal fellas. Like Bob mentioned, the Unit 45 deal was the tipping point. I, like many others drew a unit (not 45) on a type 1 where I had already purchased the archery permit and was planning on only bowhunting during September. Then in the unit I drew my type 1, they proposed changes FOR 2018 that would not allow a type 1 tag to be used during the archery season. I filed a license change request for a type 9 pending the regulation change detailing my dislike with the proposal noting that my intent was to bowhunt. They called me 3 weeks later and told me they would not give me a type 9 but would refund my money for my tag and my points so I agreed and turned my tag in.

In the end the commission did not approve the change and I could of bowhunted this year. That said, I felt like the route I took was the most conservative and will hopefully result in less hunting pressure. Additionally, my wife broke her leg in July and with two little ones at home, I have not been able to get out yet so fortunately I turned that tag in.

I can see the issue some have with moving the dates but after going what I went through, I'm glad they are. It was a PITA to deal with after the tentative reg changes were issued. I will say the WYGF was awesome to work with on it though. I still can't see my reinstated points online but they have assured me both via phone and email they will show up in October.

If your targeting 45 which a lot of people do, you should welcome this change. I would also say you should anyway because your target unit could make the list next.

Thanks for the post, Bob. Good to know.

22-Sep-18
IMO, these draws should be be done within two weeks of the closing of the app periods. The app periods should be in the winter or early spring. There's no reason they should take so long with modern computer systems. CA does their draw in under two weeks. If CA with it's ridiculousness can do their draw in 11 days, so can everyone else. Utah takes 3 months.

I really liked WY's early elk draw. I like them as early as possible. I drew an AZ strip tag last year and the notification that you won a tag till the first day of the season was 5 weeks. I already had plans. I barely got to hunt it and had no time to scout.

They need to get these draws done sooner and faster. Not later.

From: WapitiBob
23-Sep-18
Is it a done deal? no

Will it pass? most likely

The separate nr draw is a costly pain in the rear for the dept. Elk count submission meetings take place in March.

From: Native Okie
23-Sep-18
Correction on my part: they posted the changes to the regs during the application period at which point I had already submitted my app. I found out after the application period closed and draw was complete.

From: Mossyhorn
23-Sep-18
It'll be interesting to see if draw odds for general elk tags improve with this change?

From: Native Okie
23-Sep-18
I agree with you, Ike. The draws could be faster in most states. Utah as you know is flipping ridiculous.

From: LUNG$HOT
23-Sep-18
^^^ What Ike said! Ridiculous it takes so long and is done so late in to the spring.

From: Trial153
23-Sep-18
This is stupid.

From: BULELK1
23-Sep-18
I am not fond of the Proposal.

I totally like having my Wyo results in February so I can decide on my other Elk States.

No way I am applying in January for mid-June results! haha

I kinda think they could have moved it to March 30/31st after the Winter Range counts and had the draw done by end of April, including ressy and Non-ressy, Elk, deer and antelope. Ya know back up the Ressy appl. from end of May to the end of March.

Plus 3 Iddy----look at Nv. 48 hours after tag quota's are set and results are made available....

Play the cards they deal us fella's

Good luck, Robb

23-Sep-18
This proposal sucks ..

From: Trial153
23-Sep-18
Let's just draw straws in freaking august. We can all pack bags and find out if we have tag before we head out the door. Seriously this is stupid.

From: 7mm08
23-Sep-18
I like it!

From: sticksender
23-Sep-18
Their Feb NR draw was obviously great for multi-state appliers. Still you can't fault Wyoming in their logic for making this change. Hopefully we can modify our apps right up to near the draw date in May. The May draw time frame could allow for at least NM, AZ, & CO results to have come out beforehand.

From: midwest
23-Sep-18
It will be nice to know the actual tag numbers before applying but the results could come much earlier than freakin June!

From: herdbulll
23-Sep-18
I am not in favor of this change at all.

From: Mule Power
23-Sep-18
Life just got suckier!

Now the Montana app deadline is after the Wyoming draw results.

Bob can you clarify.... will I know if I have an elk tag before I need to consider applying for deer? I can’t hunt both the same year.

Convenience or not this is not a good thing for hunters. What else do they have to do with their time?

From: WapitiBob
23-Sep-18
If hunting WY is something you want to do, I'd suggest spending a few minutes figuring out what's going on over there. All Commission meetings are live and posted to youtube. All Commission meetings have "notebooks" posted so you can see the meeting and presentation materials prior to the meeting. Pretty easy to find, right there under the "Commission" link on the front page. The reality is, not 1 in 100 will make the effort.

Public will have an opportunity to comment on the app date change. If you don't like it, say so.

From: WapitiBob
23-Sep-18
Mule, all this proposal does is change the NR Elk "draw" from February, to the May Antelope/Deer draw. Nothing else changes. The "app period" would be Jan 1 - May 31 with results late June. Results for all 3 species will be released at the same time, as they currently are for residents.

From: Houska
23-Sep-18
This is not cool..........

From: Jims
23-Sep-18
I certainly is nice having a draw deadline after the regs are complete so it's possible to research and know season dates, quotas, type 9, and other details before the deadline. I've been upset several times when seasons were changed or new seasons added after the nonres deadline! One of the few negatives I see is draw results are posted months later so it's tougher making plans.

What if the WG&F made a compromise and moved the draw deadline a little later for nonres and a little earlier for Wyo residents.....making certain the draw deadline is after season dates, quotas, etc are written in stone for the upcoming season? I bet both res and nonres would be tickled pink with this compromise?

From: Inshart
23-Sep-18
Jims ... "tickled pink" NOT ....

Hope this does not go through..... As others have said, this sucks, big time! I can't hunt 2 states in the same year, so finding out if I drew WY, prior to the other state applications has always been great.

From: Native Okie
23-Sep-18
I would like to know draw results early for planning purposes as well. However, I would also like to know the tag quota and any regulation changes are final before throwing my name in the hat. Your not going to have both at least in Wyoming anyway.

From: Firsty
23-Sep-18
Not good....

From: Mule Power
23-Sep-18
It looks like I’ll have to make my decisions right from the start. Will I burn my deer points? At least that’s something I only have to think about every 6 or 7 years. I can handle that. But most likely I’ll never hunt Montana again. I’ll be either a Wyoming license or a leftover Wyoming license.

From: grossklw
23-Sep-18
I do not like this at all. I get one western mountain hunt a year and it’s really really nice to know before Montana or Colorado if I drew Wyoming. Doesn’t completely screw me but I prefer to hunt Montana if I don’t draw Wyoming. I still can but I don’t like dropping 1k on a backup plan that I don’t use. Colorado OTC I guess.

23-Sep-18
This will really screw up planning hunts.

There’s a reason the overwhelming majority on here are against this. They haven’t all got it wrong.

You guys need to be letting WY Game & Fish know how you feel though. Don’t just gripe on here.

I’m calling them tomorrow, and I’m going to send out emails as well.

From: Trial153
23-Sep-18
Let's get some links posted as to where we can call and email

From: mulecreek
24-Sep-18
Nice to know that for the majority on here planning which tag to apply for is more important than issuing the correct number of tags. I'll remember that the next time I have to speak to the Commission regarding how many tags NR's should get.

From: NoWiser
24-Sep-18
As I understand it, it's not so much issuing the right number of tags as it is getting the correct number of NR vs R tags. Is that correct?

This will definitely completely change my application strategy. It was nice knowing the Wyoming results early so that I could plan around it. It's tough as a NR when you are applying for draws while awaiting the results of other draws. Wyoming will probably see less applications from me as I'll likely be applying for easier to draw tags elsewhere now just to ensure I have a hunt locked in somewhere early. Whatever happens, I can roll with it.

From: midwest
24-Sep-18
Looks like this may increase my draw odds!

From: Serrano
24-Sep-18
I like the earlier drawing. Ken

From: Bowfreak
24-Sep-18

Bowfreak's Link
Here is an article. It says it passed. I assume this is final.

From: Mule Power
24-Sep-18
“Voted to consider” doesn’t sound like a done deal.

From: Lost Arra
24-Sep-18
Bowfreak's article is almost funny.

>>So when the Wyoming Game and Fish Department spent several months asking residents across the state if they wanted to change a formula to allow more licenses go to nonresident hunters, the answer was a resounding no.<<

Duh. Did they anticipate a different answer??? And I would feel the same if I was a Wyo resident.

From: Bowfreak
24-Sep-18
It's not. Legislature has to approve.

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