2019 Hoyt Teasers
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From: bumpinblaze4x4
04-Oct-18
I know i know; same thing, different year. I never buy a new bow when they come out but i do enjoy seeing all the releases. Here is the latest from Hoyt.....i've heard 10/20/18 for the release date.
From: bumpinblaze4x4
04-Oct-18
From: WapitiBob
04-Oct-18
Sales meeting is next Friday. I'm finally getting a new one.
From: Bou'bound
04-Oct-18
I knew they would be saying the redwerx of this year was going to old technology in a year. Should be able to grab them cheap on eBay at least
From: Shaft2Long
04-Oct-18
Love looking at all the new releases.
From: WV Mountaineer
04-Oct-18
1700 friggin dollars?
From: bigswivle
04-Oct-18
“1700 friggin dollars?“
It’s crazy, was gonna trade my defiant for a redwrx(which I really liked) but passed due to the crazy a$$ price tag. Then you gotta put all the ornaments on it.
From: Bou'bound
04-Oct-18
I’m waiting for the 2020 models they will be faster quieter smoother and have less vibration than what gets released this month
From: carcus
04-Oct-18
I bought a new bowtech realmX for 960 canadian dollars, and its likely a better bow, lmao!
From: Brotsky
04-Oct-18
This is already the best bow Elkman has ever shot! :-)
From: Dale06
04-Oct-18
I can afford to buy a $1700 bow. But it will be a cold day in hell before I do. I’m shooting a Hoyt Faktor 34 now and am happy with it.
From: Trial153
04-Oct-18
Hoyt is totally insane with there bullshit marketing and inflated prices.
From: TheTone
04-Oct-18
Gotta figure out some way to pass on the expense of giving bows to all the instafamous "hunters"
From: Trial153
04-Oct-18
Yea I agree, their webpage with "prostaff" is like a mile long. They leetch off hoyt and then hoyt blow markets to joe bow hunter and sucker him into a infalated 1600 boat anchor of a carbon bow.
From: T Mac
04-Oct-18
Patent pending grip system that’s worth $1700 bucks alone
From: Ucsdryder
04-Oct-18
Brotesky wins this thread...
From: WV Mountaineer
04-Oct-18
"This is already the best bow Elkman has ever shot! :-)"
Ain't that the truth.
From: mitchelk
04-Oct-18
Compounds are for girls
From: walks with a gimp
04-Oct-18
I was wondering when Hoyt was going to Binary cams. Rex will make a ton off his patent from them...
From: Twinetickler
04-Oct-18
Could go on a lot of hunts for $1700! I used to play this upgrade my bow every year BS, I realized I can't shoot a bow better than what I have and it's not a Hoyt....stick to one you are confident in and put your money towards your next hunt.
From: Habitat for Wildlife
04-Oct-18
Recently I received an SKB bow case as a gift, so I guess I will have to get one of these new Hoyts.
From: kentuckbowhnter
04-Oct-18
bow 1700, sight 200, rest 150, quiver 150, tax in ky 6% 132, $2332 damn dollars. no way. and that aint all the stuff you could rig out.
From: midwest
05-Oct-18
Wow....lots of Hoyt haters!
From: leftee
05-Oct-18
I can still remember when I shot Hoyts.
From: grubby
05-Oct-18
I remember too, it was a horrible experience mainly due to a crappy dealer. I'm kicking around buying a different bow but if I do it will be a carryover or possibly lightly used bow from the classifieds on one of the sites, same as the last 3.
From: ki-ke
05-Oct-18
Brotsky...HAHAHAHA!!!!
From: Bou'bound
05-Oct-18
I only shoot Hoyt and only have for 34 years but I don’t buy them the year they are released. New in box a year or two post release on eBay will save you 40-60%. Picked up a new in box carbon defiant last November for 780.00. One year removed from release
People will be getting 2018 redwrx models for $800-1000 over the next few months vs $1500
From: ELKMAN
05-Oct-18
How do you know what I've shot??? LMAO! This year is gonna raise a few eye brows, and not all positive in my estimation... zip :-I
From: Dale06
05-Oct-18
Midwest, I don’t think these are Hoyt haters, I’m certainly not. I have shot Hoyt off/on for 25 years and am currently shooting Hoyt. The issue is their insanity pricing. As someone pointed out, roughly $2300 for a bow and accessories, plus tax. Some can afford that. I can but it makes no sense at all, so I won’t.
From: LUNG$HOT
05-Oct-18
Lmao! Almost made me choke laughing Brotsky!
They say it’s smoother, better, faster.... so it must be!
From: PECO
05-Oct-18
I'll keep shooting my 2008 Diamond Black Ice. When it comes time for a new compound, if ever, I have no loyalties and will shoot them all and get a mid level bow. Hoyt is not the only company releasing crazy priced, best bow we ever built bows each year. They will sell, and repeat process next year.
From: WV Mountaineer
05-Oct-18
Yeah, I've always been a Hoyt fan. No hating. They make great boat anchors. :^)
From: Buffalo1
05-Oct-18
Kota-man has already got his new one sighted in and will be giving a review of the bow in Nov. on Bowsite so the rest of you will know how it performs !! Ya'll are already behind the curve.
From: kota-man
05-Oct-18
:)... Hey I’m still shooting that OLD Carbon Defiant!
From: TREESTANDWOLF
06-Oct-18
I’m shooting the antique Nitrum 34... must be worth about $50.00 compared to this new rig.
Everything is expensive, that’s for sure. Their margins would be small if they didn’t charge what they do, or most likely they would be out of business.
Shipping alone is absolutely costly these days, just crazy al the way around.
From: altitude sick
06-Oct-18
I’m sure the margins are not that large after looking into materials. machinery and labor. BUT! As mentioned earlier the 10 pages of “pro” shooters. And you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting someone you know that gets a bow at wholesale because they have a “pro” deal. I am guilty of falling for the BS hype. I read reviews to get opinions first then go shoot. Which is a huge mistake. Should shoot them first then buy what fits. I have had every new Hoyt carbon bow for the last 3 generations. This year I fell for the Mathews Triax hype. They all do what they say. BUT after all these must have bows and upgrades I still shoot at the same level of skill. My skill is based on my practice and learning. Not the bow. After the hype and self induced “I shoot this bow better BS” wears off it’s still the same level of skill. By the way my Triax did not get me an elk this year so I’m looking for a new bow that will :)
From: Dale06
06-Oct-18
Altitude sick, good post.
From: Ermine
06-Oct-18
Sweet! I love Hoyts!! Been shooting the Carbon Defiant.
From: Habitat for Wildlife
06-Oct-18
Aliminum Defiant Pro, in a blind right now dreaming of my new Hoyt. (Raining all morning.)
From: Bentshaft
07-Oct-18
My 10 year old Hoyt X-Tec which I love, kills everything I aim at. Very reliable and stays in tune year after year. I can't bring myself to get rid of it.
From: Windwalker
07-Oct-18
What is the old saying; "fools are easily parted from their money". I was one for many years; just had to have a new bow every year. This thinking enables bow co. to keep raising their prices. For me I finally realized a new bow after the 1st year is just another bow; nothing special at all.
From: ELKMAN
08-Oct-18
Should drop on the 19th
From: Dooner
08-Oct-18
I shot Hoyt for years. I think they have the best limbs & riser on the market. Great fit & finish. However, like many on this site, I've gone to Bowtech because I prefer twin yokes. If and when Hoyt goes to a twin yoke system, I'll give them a serious look.
I'm with Bou'bound; I haven't bought a new bow retail in a dozen years. I buy them new, in the box, on ebay after the hype & marketing dust has settled. Yup, save 40-60%.
From: bighorn
09-Oct-18
Elkman, When the new ones come out give us your honest opinion if there any better than the Redwrx. Was going to by the Redwrx but can they make'em any better. Always shot HOYT upgrade every 5-6 yrs. Thanks
From: ELKMAN
16-Oct-18
I will Bighorn for sure. I have very limited knowledge this year on what all is coming. They are REALLY being hush hush about things this year. I know there will be a 34 inch and a 30 inch bow and that the Turbo will also be offered in the aluminum line again. Outside of that I'm just not sure what's coming. I know there is one rumored to be in the line up that I don't love at all... But we will see.
From: McCree
16-Oct-18
ELKMAN, I'm really curious what is rumored that you don't love at all? Are they producing a crossbow now or something? If you can't elaborate I understand.
From: Nick Muche
16-Oct-18
Pure speculation, but Of course they're producing a crossbow. They'll sell, it's all about money.
From: PECO
16-Oct-18
Crossbows are already old news, maybe they are offering an air bow.
From: midwest
16-Oct-18
No doubt all the major bow manu's will be selling crossbows or they will die.
From: smarba
16-Oct-18
A truck bed mounted wind lance like from the Hobbit. Yep, that's Hoyt's scuttle that ELKMAN isn't too keen on. 100-yard accuracy of the "hot" crossbows? Pshaw, that's NUTHIN! LOL
From: midwest
16-Oct-18
Is that an Atom broadhead on there, smarba?
From: Brotsky
16-Oct-18
You probably still couldn't get a pass-trough on a whitetail doe with that rig Smarba if you had a Rage on the end. :-)
From: smarba
16-Oct-18
The arrow weight isn't in grains...it's in POUNDS! Just you wait until Hoyt attaches cams to all 4 limbs...a pass through just MIGHT be possible!
From: Bowbender
17-Oct-18
Well, whatever they come out with, I hope it has better strings then the POS's on my 2018 Hyperforce. Been back to LAS 5X because of it.
From: Brotsky
17-Oct-18
The only thing I really need to know about the 2019 Hoyt's is are they going to be available in Vias camo and is the finish going to be better on the 2019's?
From: smarba
23-Oct-18
OK so what's the big news that was to come Oct 19?
From: altitude sick
23-Oct-18
I have no inside info but I’m guessing it will be the bestest, quietest, least vibration, ever made by Hoyt! powered by real tornadoes.
From: APauls
23-Oct-18
I almost guarantee you that the "deal" all the Hoyt shooters get isn't crazy. There's most likely a few big names like Bill Winke that get one sent to their door pro bono, but past that it's most likely a thousand willing volunteers willing to sell their soul for a window decal.
From: WapitiBob
23-Oct-18
There are multiple levels of sponsorship. "Big names" get paid by the mfg to shoot a certain bow. That's how we got to the point where it became a full time job for some. Every decent size mfg has "factory shooters" that get multiple bows for free as well as a stipend to attend shoots. All the reps have shooters in their territory that also get product for free, and all the shops have "shop shooters" that usually pay dealer cost for the bow. The multi layer sponsorship is pretty much the same for all the name brands; Hoyt, Mathews, and PSE.
The public release date was changed to Nov 1 to ensure all dealers had the 2019 product on hand prior to that release.
From: smarba
23-Oct-18
Gives manufacturers time to ramp production of 25 pound titanium wind lance arrows. Good thinking.
From: Buglmin
23-Oct-18
Factory shooters from the big companies get two bows a year free. Rep shooters have to pay for their bows, but get them super cheap. We only get one bow a year, and it's the bow they want us to shoot. Hoyt is being super secretive about their releases. No one has heard much, not even the reps. I know they did some product testing in Utah this fall, but they bows were kept under wraps. We'll know soon enough.
From: Bou'bound
23-Oct-18
the suspense on what $1,700 will get me is growing.
From: WapitiBob
23-Oct-18
If you only get one rep bow, take what he gives you, and have to pay for it, that's between you and your rep. It's not that way across the board. The reps went over the 2019 product line at last weeks sales meeting.
From: oldgoat
23-Oct-18
Had too! The little devil out out debated the little angel!
From: HUNT MAN
23-Oct-18
I was Thinking it more Like this!!!!
From: JTreeman
23-Oct-18
Damn straight Hunt! ;)
—jim
From: ki-ke
23-Oct-18
lol
From: altitude sick
23-Oct-18
It will be greatest bow ever made for exactly 8 months:))
From: Ucsdryder
23-Oct-18
I might even shoot a hoyt if that came in the box.
From: oldgoat
23-Oct-18
That's a dude! Oh well guess that doesn't change anything anyways
From: WV Mountaineer
23-Oct-18
If that came in the box with a Hoyt bow, I'd make Elkman blush with my endless support.
From: grizzly
23-Oct-18
Its not just the $1700 bows, sights that start over $100, arrows for several hundred a dozen, $400 jackets ? I guess this is becoming a rich mans sport. The really good thing about the modern bows is they will last for a long time, like in long enough that a poor old soul just has to wait long enough for the price to drop to a level that is reasonable and affordable. Its your money, do what you wish with it.
From: Matt
24-Oct-18
Smith, is that you?
You could just buy mid-level stuff and pay ~1/3 of that.
Or you just b!tch that you can't afford to hunt because you can't afford top end......everything.
From: midwest
24-Oct-18
"Its your money, do what you wish with it."
Said Obama.....never. ;-)
From: ELKMAN
24-Oct-18
The date got pushed to Nov. 1rst, and I have absolutely no idea why. There is no cross "gun" coming from Hoyt. They are an "archery" company. The one I was referring to will be a more of a "toy" than a "bow"... Nuff said
From: Dino
24-Oct-18
That's Awesome Hunter!!!!
From: altitude sick
24-Oct-18
My uncles cousins sisters boyfriends dog heard that they are having issues with limb pockets.
From: Brotsky
24-Oct-18
Hunt managed to post a picture of the only thing more expensive than a Hoyt that comes with a box. :-)
From: Bowbender
24-Oct-18
Brot,
Yeah, and it gets even more expensive when you trade them in for a newer model. ;)
From: Bowfreak
24-Oct-18
At this point in my life I'm more interested in bows Brotsky.
From: Brotsky
24-Oct-18
LOL Bowbender, they also react a lot more negatively when you try out multiple models to see which one "fits you the best"!
From: hoytshooter1
24-Oct-18
Word on the street is that, Hoyt wants all the dealers to have bows on hand before the big reveal. So, they delayed a week to make sure that happened.
From: WapitiBob
24-Oct-18
That would be fact.
From: Ermine
24-Oct-18
Hoyt makes a great bow!
From: altitude sick
24-Oct-18
Are the rumors true? Are the “1/2 cams” really made from compressed tornadoes.
From: ELKMAN
25-Oct-18
That is false. They used cyclones on their cams this year...
From: altitude sick
25-Oct-18
Thank you elk man. So They rotate in the opposite direction correct? or is that a typhoon? Or just a different name for the same thing. Either way should be fast! I have loved all of the last 3 Generations of Carbon Hoyts. This one should be another good bow I’m sure. I am currently shooting a Mathews but have always liked Hoyts.
From: WausauDug
25-Oct-18
the pricing is just out of line and of course its not just Hoyt. I can get a good new Bear bow every 5 years or shoot one of these for 15 yrs? It doesn't add up for me
From: Bou'bound
25-Oct-18
Has bear come out with a good bow?
From: LBshooter
25-Oct-18
If my 75 dollar bear grizzly kills big game and my 400 longbow kills, why do folks feel the,need to spend 1700 on a bow? What does it do that my bows won't? It's your money and if you feel a 1700 bow makes you a better Hunter then by all means, but PT Barnum was oh so right many many years ago.
From: Brotsky
25-Oct-18
I only paid $75 for my longbow and it kills animals just fine. Why did you pay $400 for one? :-)
From: midwest
25-Oct-18
Yeah, and why would you need more than one bow?
From: Bowfreak
25-Oct-18
I really have never understood why the only real price hangup people have is with bows. Many have no issue paying $200 for a release, $150 for a quiver, $100 for (3) broadheads or $300 for a set of camo pants but they get bent at $1,400 bows.
Bottom line....if and when I want a new bow I will pay whatever they cost. Just like tags.
From: bumpinblaze4x4
25-Oct-18
This was "leaked" today and has been circulating on AT.
From: LBshooter
25-Oct-18
Brotsky, it was new and after I bought one the price jumped to 600, I got a deal. :)
From: WV Mountaineer
25-Oct-18
Those cams look like a Mathews. :^)
Bowfreak, Nobody is buying top of the line priced accessory's and not putting it on an over priced bow. However, people do in fact choose not to buy either. Those are the one's questioning the $1700 price tag.
From: APauls
25-Oct-18
2019 and it still needs a sling to keep it in your hand?
From: No Mercy
26-Oct-18
Why does anyone care what I want to pay for a bow? Shoot what you want. Go hunting. Stop bitching.
From: ELKMAN
26-Oct-18
Looks like Nick's bow...
From: PECO
26-Oct-18
No one cares what you pay for a bow. Some of us just believe the top bows are way, way over priced.
From: sticksender
26-Oct-18
Bows will sell for whatever prices the market accepts, otherwise the manufacturer goes out of business. It's the overall market that matters, not a few guys carping.Everything goes up in price. My dad could've bought a new 1965 Corvette for 4100. Seemed super high to him at the time. Now of course, that sounds laughably low. Just like today's bow prices will seem laughably low as time passes.Personally I'm not in the market for a new bow....I usually get a new one about every 3-4 years. Which means the occasional purchase of an expensive bow is only a tiny percentage of the overall hunting budget, considering all other hunt costs like gear, clothes, vehicles, travel, licenses, NR apps, etc.
From: Bowfreak
26-Oct-18
WV,
Why do you even care what anything costs if you aren't going to buy said thing?
I don't care what a Bentley might cost, I am not going to buy one.
From: WV Mountaineer
26-Oct-18
Bowfreak, let's get back on track. I'm thinking you misunderstood my point. To clarify, my first post in this thread was me trying to understand why the bow is that cost. Components used in any bow made today are cheap. Leaving me to suspect regardless of whats being claimed here, I doubt margins are small. It's my understanding that bow companies require dealers to charge certain prices. Which to me, means margins are much higher then predicted.
Also, being curious to the price doesn't mean I would never buy one. But, it does mean I personally have no intentions of buying it at that price without justification of my curiosity. Saying so doesn't make me bitchy, worried about where others spend their money, or ridiculing anyone who does choose to buy one or any of the high priced accessory's.
I never said I wouldn't buy any of the higher priced accessory's either. Only pointed out it really is pretty simple to rationalize that not many people are buying a $400 economy bow and outfitting it with a tight spot quiver, Montana Black Gold sights, Easton dangerous game arrows, $33 apiece broad heads, a high dollar stabilizer, while using a $150 release. It is what it is and, nothing about questioning someone's personal choices. It has nothing to do with worrying about those that do different. I'm still confused where that train of thought is coming from.
From: WapitiBob
26-Oct-18
"Components used in any bow made today are cheap."
You ever made any of those components?
From: Matt
26-Oct-18
It is surprising to me how much time and energy the people who don't care what other people pay for a buy spend discussing the subject.
From: ELKMAN
27-Oct-18
Agreed
From: Kodiak
27-Oct-18
Habu recurves are $2250.
From: ELKMAN
29-Oct-18
I don't know why people care what other people spend on anything, much less a bow. Everybody's different when it comes to this stuff. Some guys just take hunting far more serious than others, and don't want their equipment to cost them hard earned animals at the moment of truth because of poor quality/design... ;-)
From: PECO
29-Oct-18
Just because it cost more does not make it better. Just because a guy buys the most expensive latest and greatest bow every year does not make him a more serious hunter.
From: Brotsky
29-Oct-18
What I really need to know is how much money do I need to spend or not spend in order to be a serious hunter and have the best stuff and not be criticized by the Bowsite financial police?
From: PECO
29-Oct-18
LOL great question!
From: WV Mountaineer
29-Oct-18
What I wander is why does anything but saying, “Hoyt is the greatest, most economical, most dependable, bestest bow in the word”, cause so much worry among its consumers. Buy what every you want. But, discussing the why’s of the price is not judging how anyone spends their own money.
Profits are not small either because they aren’t selling hundreds of thousands of these things.
From: WapitiBob
29-Oct-18
Actually, Bear was selling over 100,000 units in the early 80's. Hoyt is selling well over that number.
From: APauls
29-Oct-18
Everyone always says margins are slim. That's cause generally, they are. If any company has large margins, someone else will come do what they are doing for less. That's the reality of the free economy. If you think Hoyt is making a $1,700 bow for $200 worth of components it isn't happening. Cost of labour, components, and materials only go up, not to mention your indirect costs, overhead, advertising, R&D etc
Like I said, if there was heaps of money left over, there would be heaps of new bow companies, and they'd be cutting out Hoyt's market share.
And there's a difference between profits and margins. Margins were mentioned earlier, now profit is mentioned^^^^^. Yes, they might be very profitable due to large volume even though the margin is thin on an individual item. If you don't believe me, hire their engineers, buy materials from their suppliers, get a grant, invest in some equipment, and sell the latest greatest bow for $700 :)
From: WapitiBob
29-Oct-18
The companies selling $700 bows are making their parts on a $70,000 Haas. Hoyt was using Mori's when I went thru their plant; the same nv5000 apc I had as well as some NH horizontals. My NV was $240,000.
From: midwest
29-Oct-18
Hoyt making bow risers on a vertical, Bob? Assumed they were all using HMC's.
Would love to go through their plant.
From: WV Mountaineer
29-Oct-18
They are indeed different Apauls. I said that for a reason. Hoyt is not spending a dollar to return a dime.
From: smarba
29-Oct-18
Wapiti: I have absolutely no idea what you just said regarding Haas, Mori's etc...
From: Bou'bound
29-Oct-18
Ohio.
Currently the bar is set at 5.7% but there are CPI escalators that are applied every three years with the next increase scheduled in June of 2020.
From: smarba
29-Oct-18
That makes a lot more sense, thx Bou...
From: WapitiBob
29-Oct-18
Nick, The day I was there they were making a pair on the NV5000. I don't remember the model. Watching Easton make an aluminum arrow out of flat coil stock was equally impressive.
From: ELKMAN
30-Oct-18
If any of you can get a tour through the Hoyt manufacturing facility/process, do it. You won't be disappointed. Anyone asking about my so called "take hunting serious" post above obviously doesn't know when there is a worm, a hook, a line and a sinker put in front of them... LMAO
From: altitude sick
30-Oct-18
How big is the tornado energy harnessing Cam making machine:)
From: Brotsky
30-Oct-18
I believe they use a smaller version of the one Chevy uses to put real tornadoes under the hood of the Silverado. :-)
From: bumpinblaze4x4
30-Oct-18
Official Release date per Hoyt's facebook page will be 11/1/18. Can't believe how derailed this thread is....
From: smarba
30-Oct-18
Bumpin: I was thinking the same thing - we're well over 100 posts without even knowing what Hoyt is releasing LOL
From: Bou'bound
30-Oct-18
we know what they are releasing.............the fastest, smoothest, quietest, most forgiving,most "dead in hand" bow since last October.
From: midwest
30-Oct-18
Whatever it is, it will be too expensive!
...or has that already been mentioned? ;-)
From: altitude sick
30-Oct-18
I heard the 2019 Mathews bow no one has seen, is better than the 2019 Hoyt bow no one has seen.
From: smarba
30-Oct-18
Good one altitude! I think we can get over 200 posts without having any facts. Still a couple more days...
From: altitude sick
30-Oct-18
Hey that’s what makes this fun. We are like a bunch of kids. It’s fun. And funny to watch at the same time. As long as we aren’t too serious about all this.
From: Bou'bound
30-Oct-18
the concept here is exactly that............to "Get Serious, Get Hoyt"
From: kota-man
30-Oct-18
I'm definitely NOT buying a new bow this year... ;)
From: smarba
30-Oct-18
In Kota lingo that means "I'm not buying ONE new bow this year...I'm buying FOUR new bows this year" LOL
From: altitude sick
30-Oct-18
The 2018 Triax did not get me a shot at an elk this year, it’s gotta be the bow. SO, NEXT!
From: Bowboy
30-Oct-18
I heard Trump Jr already has the new 2019 Hoyt.
From: TREESTANDWOLF
30-Oct-18
I’ve always enjoyed Kotas take on new bows and reviews.
Lord knows I’m due for a new set up...
From: ELKMAN
31-Oct-18
Well we know one thing...
From: Bowfreak
31-Oct-18
Is it that Nick Mundt rigs his wrist sling up goofy?
From: midwest
31-Oct-18
From: kota-man
31-Oct-18
I did NOT think the REDWRX Carbon RX1 was a "game changer". In fact I sold it shortly after buying it. I may be the minority on this one, but I preferred my Carbon Defiant by a long shot and am still shooting that 2 year old Defiant. :) We will see what they bring to the table this year. I really wanted to shoot a Bowtech Reign 7 last year. In fact I ordered one, but it took so long, I finally just cancelled the order and bought the REDWRX. The pic posted above is intriguing, but if it doesn't have a 7 inch brace height and isn't at least 33" a to a, I'm not interested.
From: LUNG$HOT
31-Oct-18
The new Hoyt will be a game changer if it looks, feels, and shoots like a Bowtech Reign 7. Oh wait... Bowtech already did that. Never mind... carry on.
From: Ken Moody Safaris
31-Oct-18
Well, I just bought a Hyper Force and love it. Never, ever thought I’d shoot a Hoyt but then...
From: PECO
31-Oct-18
Get ready boys to "smoke him" with the game changer... LOL It will be no more of a game changer than the new camo pattern coming out.
From: kota-man
31-Oct-18
Welcome to the "dark side" Ken...
From: midwest
31-Oct-18
What did you not like about it, kota? Did you have the Ultra?
From: sticksender
31-Oct-18
Use of the term "game changer" in modern bows is mainly just salesman talk. But if there was any "game changer" aspect of the RX-1 Turbo, it was the tune-ability for FBBH. Very responsive (and predictable) to tiny center-shot moves, without the need to fool around as much with cam lean. And it was a bonus that the draw cycle and valley on the turbo were just as good as my CST. A dramatic improvement over the previous 2-3 year's models. That's why I bought one. The only improvement that I could see on the 2019's would be somehow quieting them more, or making them shoot faster without sacrificing forgiveness or draw cycle.
From: Ambush
31-Oct-18
The worst thing about Hoyt, for me.
The very annoying habit many owners have is they can’t say “bow”! It’s always “..I grabbed my Hoyt...”, or “ I I slowly raised my Hoyt...”. or “I’m packing a rifle, but I really hope to get it done with The Hoyt”.
From: midwest
31-Oct-18
lol....funny Ambush
From: smarba
31-Oct-18
I slipped into my Sitka, strapped on my Kifaru, picked up my Hoyt, put on my Oakleys, jumped into my Toyota...and forgot what I was supposed to be doing...LOL
Tomorrow's the big day, eh? then we can begin to have a REAL conversation about HOYTS!
From: bighorn
31-Oct-18
Trick or Treat!
From: Habitat for Wildlife
31-Oct-18
Who will be ordering one tomorrow?
From: WV Mountaineer
31-Oct-18
Looks like a Mathews cam.
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
Has it been pushed back to the 15th now?
From: leftee
01-Nov-18
Yeh definitely a Mathews cam,or as commonly seen nowadays,'defiantly' a Mathews cam.
From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-18
Nothing about Hoyt's cam system is even similar to that Mathews mess, other than maybe looks, but all cams look the same now... Novices
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
So is it delayed until November 15th. Limb pocket issues?
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
"So is it delayed until November 15th. Limb pocket issues?"
Not according to their fb and ig pages. Today's the day!
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
Name is the Carbon RX-3, bout the only thing I've seen so far
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
Name is the Carbon RX-3, bout the only thing I've seen so far
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
Name is the Carbon RX-3, bout the only thing I've seen so far
From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-18
yep...
From: smarba
01-Nov-18
Anticipaaaayaaytion....
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
Not sure why my comment posted 3x's sorry about that.
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
Wow. I'm impressed, tons of new stuff!
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
...until next year! ;-)
From: StickFlicker
01-Nov-18
Wonder why they skipped RX-2?
From: fastflight
01-Nov-18
Good YouTube video out there on the new bow. Seems like they put some thought into it and not just recycled items. See if they really work once people shoot 5he RX-3.
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
specs...
From: Bou'bound
01-Nov-18
Wow that cable roller system is neat. That alone is a game changer. I knew it would be worth waiting for. Love it.
From: Bowfreak
01-Nov-18
It looks like it has some neat upgrades and I'm sure it will be a winner.
From: Trial153
01-Nov-18
Well, my excitement wore off already...whats next?
From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-18
So it’s a pse from 2 years ago?
From: wv_bowhunter
01-Nov-18
Hmmm, they added a damper in front of the bottom limb pocket. Seems like I have seen something similar before.... oh yea, a Mathews Triax!
At this point, there are all kinds of great bows on the market. All about shooting several and finding what fits you and feels the best to you.
Then, hope it fits your budget. Lol
From: Ambush
01-Nov-18
I have an old PSE that self-indentifies as a new Hoyt Turbo, so I’m good for this cycle.
From: Trial153
01-Nov-18
Yes, they ripped off mathews and pse in the same year. That's something special
From: Bowfreak
01-Nov-18
The laterally adjusting grip is cool.
I am always amazed at what people expect with new bows. We are actually past the point of incremental improvements on bows, we are now at minuscule improvements. Anyone tuning in to new bow releases to see even a 20fps speed gain is going to be disappointed.
From: WV Mountaineer
01-Nov-18
It sure looks nice in all black. I like the string dampeners. If Mathews would copy that, it would be the perfect bow.
Maybe the guys from Hoyt and Mathews can get together and determine the weight forward and cam design that Mathews has been using and, Hoyt is following g along with, would be a good swap out for the string dampener technology. :^)
In all seriousness, it looks like a very well thought out bow.
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
Like the looks of the Ultra-after shooting one will have to make a decision between the RX1 and RX3- thinking the larger brace height will be good to me.
Lots of people complaining about a bow they haven't even had an opportunity to shoot LOL
From: PECO
01-Nov-18
Yawn.
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
Which carbon Mathews bow did they rip off?
From: TheTone
01-Nov-18
love the looks and specs of the rx3 ulttra. If they had brought that out last year I'm pretty sure I would have bought one. I ended up going with a centergy though instead. Gonna be hard/impossible to justify new bows 2 years in a row
From: WV Mountaineer
01-Nov-18
Come on Nick. No carbon bows from Mathews. Their engineers know it’s a fluke. However, it is becoming more obvious that Hoyt’s engineers are taking notes. :^)
From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-18
Their carbon bows weigh almost the same. I guess if you’re a sissy and your hand gets cold then the carbon is a no brainer, along with your tampons and Pinterest app.
From: Ambush
01-Nov-18
“But it’s so soft and warm in my hand!”
That’s two Hoyt shooters, overheard talking in their blind. Tough to guess for sure what they’re gripping.
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
Not a big fan of the vibration dampeners in every possible nook and cranny
From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-18
Meh... Not impressed to be honest
From: KyleSS
01-Nov-18
Altitude Sick, putting vibration dampeners in every possible nook and cranny is the only way they could make it so it doesn't feel like it's going to blow up in your hand
From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-18
Lol I have no issues at all with hoyt and would own one in a second if it was the best option for me. All that said, this is fun!
From: YZF-88
01-Nov-18
Damn. I have 3D printed prototypes of a grip system that does the exact same thing for the same reason. Guess I should've been a little faster on the development/patent application!!!
From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-18
https://hoyt.com/compound-bows/compound-hunting-bows
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
Jason, Start working on a grip you can adjust the angle on as well.
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
It’s like putting a 3’ diameter and 6’ long muffler on a car then bragging how quiet it is. I don’t see all that junk on last year’s quietest bow
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
It has dampeners at the bottom end of the riser and one on each limb same as last year's Rx1.
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
Correct. Four additional blobs of rubber than last year’s quietest bow. The Triax
From: Bou'bound
01-Nov-18
Not sure if the extra $50 on he turbo ($1,749) is worth it over the base model at 1,699. Seems questionable
From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-18
5 dollars for each FPS!
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
Even the little two foot long Triax has dampeners on the riser.
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
Yes 1 nice clean looking dampener. Not 2” in dia blobs on the limbs, limb pockets, Riser etc.
From: altitude sick
01-Nov-18
I will shoot it tomorrow. But the dampeners look like a vibration band aid from the 90s
From: leftee
01-Nov-18
Did I hear right,4.6 lbs on the Helix? How will the Hoyt guys spin that after bashing the Triax on weight?
From: Trial153
01-Nov-18
From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-18
Wow trial! Lol elkman, your worst dream came true. Hoyt produced a trial! Except they’re charging 40% more.
From: Tilzbow
01-Nov-18
Nice bow and I think trying to find the sweet spot for the grip would drive me crazy.
From: Iowabowhunter
01-Nov-18
I can't for the life of me understand the 30" and under bows honestly. things feel like a toy. It'll be the RX3 Ultra or RX1 for me (if I don't find a spectacular deal on a Carbon Spyder iteration that is).
From: WV Mountaineer
01-Nov-18
Hoyt's next advertisement will read something like the following:
"Only through Hoyt's innovation, the inverted cross parallel hollow carbon tubing that balances perfectly on the copied Mathews chassis, will keep you hands warmer, for longer, all through the new adjustable hand warming bio diverse compensating grip. It simply is the results of superior engineering and Mathews innovation. Period.
The RX3, with its weight forward balance, copied directly from Mathews designs, is guaranteed to be as dead in the hand as the 2 foot Triax. Our all new Carbon parallel cross designed riser is just as quiet with the 8 ounces of dampeners applied, as any competitors bow. Its the best we at Hoyt have ever built. Period
Hoyt's new patent pending wheeled cable guard was something Mathews went away from years ago. But, by applying Hoyts all new design, we were able to intricate it into this state of the art, game changing bow for Hoyt's customers. It simply is the pinnacle of what we have ever done here at Hoyt. Period.
We at Hoyt are proud to introduce to you the most completely copied, Mathews prototype, minus the special carbon bi flex, cross parallel, hollow tubed carbon frame, we have ever designed and made. So go to your nearest dealer in March to shoot the all new RX3. And, catch us if you can. Period."
From: midwest
01-Nov-18
They're practically identical other than the riser, limb pockets, limbs, a to a, weight, and cam system. Like twins! lol
From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-18
Midwest you know they look very similar. Come on! If you threw in a 2017 pse with the roller attached to the riser you’d have the parents of the ugly child! A triax and a pse Carbon stealth got drunk in a bar...9 months later look what popped out!
From: trkyslr
01-Nov-18
Meeehhh... I’ll buy a Prime CT5 :-)
From: bighorn
01-Nov-18
Elkman not impressed with the bow or comments. Which one last years or this new model? Thanks!
From: Native Okie
01-Nov-18
Marketing is a beautiful thing.
From: Bou'bound
02-Nov-18
I think I am waiting for the 2020 RX 4.
It's early but the word on the streets is that it will be out with a modified cam system that is smoother and more efficient than anything they have ever designed and it will be the quietest, most vibration-free, rugged, and hard hitting bow in any line. The new cable roller system will be a bar slide which will have been proven to be an upgrade over rollers.
There parallel track tube carbon technology will be advanced into version 2.0 and riser balance will be tweaked just a bit by using 75 hand laid carbon inferfaces vs. only 50 on the new 2019 RX3. With an upgrade to vibration-dampening NAVACOM rubber handle material, (patent pending) the torque reduction will be noticeable as well. Basically it will just a a bit better all around.
most importantly they are going to offer it in a retro camo option called Treebark.
Don't get me wrong, the 2019 is excellent, but with these enhancements just 12 months away I am going to wait even though the SRP will be $1,899.
From: altitude sick
02-Nov-18
The 2020 RX5 will be the “Best bow they have ever (engineered). They can’t quite pull off the manufacturering part but they at least (engineered) it to be the best ever:). Nice legalize lawyer sales talk.
From: ELKMAN
02-Nov-18
bighorn- I'm not impressed with the new line at all. I thought they needed to either address their cam system over all, or go back to modules. And their aluminum lines weight is leaving a big hole in their line up. But to be fair I haven't spent any real time with them. (I will say they are VERY quiet and shock free) But I may play with some other opportunities this year. We will see.
From: altitude sick
02-Nov-18
I agree Elkman, I have had many Hoyt bows over the years. 3 iterations of the carbon bows. It seems like they need to go poach some engineers or creative people from Just about any other mfg. or one from each. I’m sure these are “nice” bows. Just not leading, cutting edge. They are almost a Parity of themselves. I look at them and it’s like someone just copy and pasted parts onto it. And the gangley 90s chunks of rubber are ridiculously ugly and have been removed from many truly engineered bows.
From: SaddleReaper
02-Nov-18
Interesting.... so that hole shot expanding and contracting during the draw/ shot cycle coupled with thermal expansion effects on material volume and durometer of the elastomer will allow the strings working length to change DURING the shot and AFTER tuning and setup. BRILLIANT.
Seriously though.... if you factor two of these expanding and contracting even marginally, your string length is changing....how do you think this effect nock travel, tune, consistency etc. I'd be curious to know!
From: WV Mountaineer
02-Nov-18
Me too. But, I do believe that they would see the results of such potential problems when dry firing the thing that may times
From: smarba
02-Nov-18
I've asked this before without an answer, but is there ANY other company that comes close to conducting that many dry fires for their testing? Hoyt may not necessarily be leading/bleeding edge, but their limbs & carbon riser provide me with a lot of confidence...
From: altitude sick
02-Nov-18
I don’t care about all that accuracy stuff. I just wanna know if it’s gonna come in fluorescent green “Bone Hawk” edition. Collector I mean.
From: PECO
02-Nov-18
Flo green "Bone Colletor" was not an option, according to their video.
From: SD BuckBuster
02-Nov-18
Seriously... They just up the price another $1000 bucks. It's the hunting industry. People will pay whatever it takes to have an advantage over their buddies or the rest of the general hunting population. Pure Genius! I've always said,, when I retire from actual work I am going to create a product (that is great quality!!) and double the price of the next closest dollar amount. Just watch em' fly off the shelves!
From: altitude sick
02-Nov-18
Uuuhh that was a joke!
From: APauls
02-Nov-18
Wow those two bows are two ugly ducklings.
From: altitude sick
02-Nov-18
$2179 but wait! For another $95 u can get the Michael wattles “Bone Hawk” edition.
From: Ucsdryder
02-Nov-18
Ucsdryder's Link
From: huntinelk
02-Nov-18
Next years model, already has the price increase figured in.
From: Trial153
02-Nov-18
It's great that rx3 is tipping the scales at 4.4 pounds....hoyt is nothing but bulls shit marketing.
From: WapitiBob
02-Nov-18
PSE has done dry fire and cycle testing for decades, not sure what their current benchmarks are.
From: ELKMAN
03-Nov-18
The new Carbon riser is really different though. Very stable at full draw. Holds excellent
From: ki-ke
03-Nov-18
I watch these new Hoyt threads every year. I've shot Hoyts almost exclusively for probably 30 years. (except for that 8 months in 1994 when I went rogue and walked around with a Mathews and my arrows lost their way....). I love my Hoyts. Always have stayed in tune. Industrial strength. You can use them to dig a trench around the tent and they will still shoot where aimed....
I am shooting a 2007/8 Katera. Aside from every other year string changes and some accessory changes, that thing is as it was the day I bought it, plus tons of dings and dents. Its fallen 15', been kicked by a horse right on the limb pocket and still shoots to the max abilities of my limitations.
I dont care what they cost, if I liked it, I would buy it. I dont even want to shoot it! Thats an ugly mofo! Sorry Hoyt and ELKMAN! whats with all the rubber junk hanging off that thing? They should call it the RX french tickler special. What happens to all that when it starts to shrink and lose its dampening properties? another $500 to replace all the rubbers?
I believe I'm in the market for a Bowtech, if my 10 year old bow breaks down.....
From: midwest
03-Nov-18
"...RX french tickler"
LOL!
From: ki-ke
03-Nov-18
LOL! I jut watched the slo mo video of that thing going off! All that rubber jiggling looks like the Simpsons episodes when they show Homer doing something shirtless in slow motion! HAHA!!
No thanks....
From: Bou'bound
03-Nov-18
For you guys that are going to get a new RX3 what camo pattern are you going to run?
From: sitO
03-Nov-18
My buddy had a new RX7 in high school...he scalped some pelts with that thing
From: RogBow
03-Nov-18
RX-3 looks good. I like the ATA, limb angle, non-attached limb dampeners, adjustable grip, and half pound weight savings over the aluminum version. I am curious if the new cam design really does even out cable torque/cam lean. This all said Hoyt must spend a lot on marketing, it was tough to read through all the awesomeness.
From: ELKMAN
05-Nov-18
If I was getting one I would get the new Storm color
From: smarba
05-Nov-18
Storm...another word for gray. Just like Slate, Granite, Shadow, Lead...
Yawn. Not sure what the attraction is with solid color bows. Or clothing. The more I can get my gear to break up any form the better. I could care less the color of bow: I spray it with FLAT paint in random swatches. Little hard to swallow doing that to a $2K brand new bow...but that's why I buy used :o)
From: trkyslr
06-Nov-18
Shot all the new hoyts today .... imo horrible rough draw, horrible spongy back wall (none), valley mehhh, didn’t hold on target well for me,,,, but good points was at the shot with very minimal vibration and pretty quiet. For the cost and all the hype again I was let down with hoyts. There’s a lot better bows out there for a better more affordable cost. Just my .02
From: Bou'bound
06-Nov-18
For you guys just are going tom pick one up will you run factory strings.
From: midwest
06-Nov-18
"imo horrible rough draw, horrible spongy back wall (none), valley mehhh, didn’t hold on target well for me,,,, "
Sounds like the cams were out of time.
From: Matt
06-Nov-18
Midwest, that was my initial thought as well. Cabling can creep in the box and I dont think I've ever seen a shop time/synch bows before they put them on the rack.
From: trkyslr
06-Nov-18
Ya not sure but all three I shot felt pretty much the same.... if they were all out of tune then maybe be good for the factory to work on that.
From: WapitiBob
07-Nov-18
I shot 2 and both had a solid wall but a bit too much letoff. I believe the local shop has already sold out.
From: ELKMAN
08-Nov-18
I would run the factory threads if I were getting one. BTW: The when set up properly the back wall on these bows are very solid. Anyone who was concerned with shot noise and vibration last year will be very pleased this year.
From: YZF-88
24-Nov-18
Wish I had a Hoyt dealer around that actually had ANY model with a #2 can so I could at least try one. Frustrating. Ironically the closest dealer to me is only 30 minutes from the factory. I’m not going to buy anything without vetting it.
