Black Gold Sights - Pure Gold
GIANTS HARVESTED WITH VORTEX BROADHEADS
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Contributors to this thread:
Ward's Outfitters 14-Nov-18
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greg simon 14-Nov-18
altitude sick 14-Nov-18
ki-ke 14-Nov-18
stick n string 14-Nov-18
Swampbuck 14-Nov-18
1boonr 14-Nov-18
smarba 14-Nov-18
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Bowfreak 14-Nov-18
drycreek 14-Nov-18
Ward's Outfitters 14-Nov-18
Jaquomo 14-Nov-18
Empty Freezer 14-Nov-18
longbeard 14-Nov-18
Matt 14-Nov-18
Bowfreak 14-Nov-18
Ward's Outfitters 14-Nov-18
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Ermine 15-Nov-18
ELKMAN 15-Nov-18
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ki-ke 15-Nov-18
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sam 15-Nov-18
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Matt 15-Nov-18
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ki-ke 30-Nov-18
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14-Nov-18

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Vortex broadheads are absolutely superior to all other mechanical broadheads.

14-Nov-18

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Vortex broadheads are made to maintain integrity under the worst conditions.

14-Nov-18

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Vortex broadheads fly perfectly, and have been tested to speeds over 450 fps.

14-Nov-18

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Vortex broadheads

From: greg simon
14-Nov-18

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Not a giant to everyone but his first bowkill. Could not have been happier with a world record!

Killed with a Vortex broadhead given to me by Rodney Ward. Thanks Rodney!!!

14-Nov-18
Great job Greg! That’s. a Trophy all right

From: ki-ke
14-Nov-18
Thanks for the post "edit"

Douchery should be outlawed! Or at least punishable by an open hand slapfest.... ; ^ )

14-Nov-18
That second one has to be 30” wide. Wow, it is now obvious to me that vortex ARE absolutely superior to all other mechanicals....

From: Swampbuck
14-Nov-18
Those are some toads. Lol, I thought the Midwest “was” all corn

From: 1boonr
14-Nov-18
Slick tricks would have killed them just as dead. Thunderheads also, muzzy etc. you make it sound like to kill a giant you have to use vortex. Tell us about the ones that haven’t been found over the years.

From: smarba
14-Nov-18
ditto ki-kie. But it's already approaching time for another edit.

Ward's a sponsor of Bowsite. He's one of many paying for the luxury of all of us to have this great forum.

Another head may or may not have killed any of these deer. We'll never know. These are great trophy photos taken with site-sponsored broadheads. Accept that this thread is generally a promotion of said broadheads and move on if you don't have something constructive to say. That could be constructive criticism as well if you actually have something factual to discuss.

But don't razz Ward just because he's posting trophys taken by his customers.

Ward all I can add is "nice deer, congrats".

From: deerhunter72
14-Nov-18
Right on smarba. This sponsor helps pay the bills that give us access to this site. Take it for what it is.

From: Bowfreak
14-Nov-18
Who cares Buckiller....what do corn feeders have to do with this thread?

From: drycreek
14-Nov-18
We need to open a "What I'm offended by" thread so we'll know if we can post or not. I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone's delicate nature by killing an animal with the aid of a feeder, a food plot, a game camera, a firearm, (OMG), scent reducing clothes, tree stands, pop-ups, a mechanical broadhead, an atv, a rangefinder.............................well, you get the picture

14-Nov-18

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1 booner i can assure you a couple of these bucks had high probability of not being recovered if they had not been shot with a large cutting diameter Vortex broadhead. Like others have mentioned I am a sponsor of this site and I am bragging about the animals Vortex broadheads have assisted being harvested. I can assure you and would challenge you any day to show me a mechanical broadhead that will perform as good as Vortex Broadheads.

From: Jaquomo
14-Nov-18
Egads! Somebody shot my ex-mother in law!

14-Nov-18
Can you imagine that animal sticking its head in your tent.. Yikes

From: longbeard
14-Nov-18
Smartba though I can’t disagree with the premise of your post and I’m sure the Vortex BH is a fine BH but for him to insinuate, in so many words that no other BH would have killed these animals is purely an opinion and not the facts that you want us to recite. All are beautiful animals but all could have been killed with other BH’s with a well placed shot. I’ll stand by that fact!

From: Matt
14-Nov-18

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Here is a pic of a pretty decent sitka blacktail I recently killed with Vortex's new 125 gr. 2" steel. The new design worked just as well as the old version has over the past ~15 years, which is to say really well.

And you don't need to use Vortex to kill a giant buck. You just need to wear a sexy hat.

From: Bowfreak
14-Nov-18
Great buck Matt and cool picture.

14-Nov-18

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You Guys amaze me!! I never said that the only way to harvest a Giant buck was to utilize a Vortex Broadhead. I did say in a later post that they did help with the recovery of the Deer basically turning a poor shot into a marginal shot because of the Large cutting Diameter.

14-Nov-18
Great Buck Matt , I love the mass

From: Ermine
15-Nov-18
Awesome bucks!! Wow

I must hve missed where he said that you can only kill bucks like that with a vortex?

I think we all know a fixed blade broadheads can kill too...! But man awesome bucks!

From: ELKMAN
15-Nov-18
The Rage Trypans are a far better head than anything Vortex makes.

From: Pope125
15-Nov-18
I talked to Steve about a month ago about the Vortex head , was impressed what he said and decided to give the heads a try . I was looking for as better head than I was using , I just got tired of hearing a broadhead rattle in my quiver . After talking to him, called Vortex talked to the guy that answered the phone a little bit about what head would work best for me and my set-up. I placed the order and was very surprised I got the heads in two days . I got the heads and was very impressed with the quality of the head . After Steve telling they don't have a practice head yet , said they are working on one . Told me all I needed to do was pull off the 0-ring and put some electrical tape or wire around the head . The first practice shot I took was at 20 yds and was perfect , took a 30 and a 40 yard shot those shots were dead perfect . Heads few great , and was ready for my Ohio hunt . The second picture is the buck I killed last week , the shot was 37 yds , the head work great . The exit wound on that deer was bigger than my fist . Very impressed with this head .

From: Pope125
15-Nov-18

From: Pope125
15-Nov-18
I used the Trypans , the Vortex is a way better head .

15-Nov-18
ELKMAN x's2

From: Bowbender
15-Nov-18
For those that are saying the Trypan is a way better head, is that because of direct empirical evidence (you have first hand experience with both) or just an opinion?

Asking for a friend.

From: Starfire
15-Nov-18
Weren't Ward's the ones behind the inverter broadhead?

15-Nov-18

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Elkman Bowbender REALLY?

From: ELKMAN
15-Nov-18
If i cared I'm sure I could find a picture of a vortex head that had been shot into a concrete block also...LMAO!

From: Bowbender
15-Nov-18
Steve,

Just so there is no mistake, I was asking why the Trypan is better than the Vortex. Asking for hard evidence so to speak. Wasn't bashing Vortex or Rage.

Not sure what your pic shows....

From: njbuck
15-Nov-18
I have shot dozens of different broad heads through all different animals as I like to have First hand experience before I comment on how a head will work. I have shot 7 different deer with a 100 grain vortex this year. They are extremely good heads, produce great entrance and exit holes and great blood trails.

I did not have to blood trail the buck in the first picture as he made it only 70 yards and fell in site.

For all the haters out there- my buck was also a free range giant from Iowa.

Steven- thanks for the great heads and I cant wait to put them though a ton more animals.

From: spike78
15-Nov-18
Rage are garbage made in China.

15-Nov-18
Gold Tip arrows are garbage made in Mexico. (LOL...fixed it!)

From: Ermine
15-Nov-18
I believe Goldtips are made in Mexico..not China but I could be wrong.

From: Beav
15-Nov-18

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Here is one I shot a rabbit with. It did hit a shoulder blade though. lol

15-Nov-18

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Bowbender sorry bud I didn't mean to place your name in that comment. Elkman Do you have first hand experience with Vortex Heads? If you need photos of Vortex heads shot into cinder blocks I'll be happy to share those with you. I just hare destroying Arrows.

From: longbeard
15-Nov-18
Why do I get sucked in to this crap? Damn!! Ermine he wrote in his earlier post that “vortex broadheads are absolutely superior to all other mechanical broadheads”. That is nothing more than opinion!

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
15-Nov-18
I have shot one animal with a Rage. Made a good shot and had a quick, clean kill. Recovered the arrow and the blades were broken. Glad I put it in the right spot. That was also the last time I shot a rage. I have shot several animals with a Vortex. Not once has a blade been broken. Bent, yes, broken, never. The bent blade is still able to cut and continues to work as long as it remains in the animal. The broken blade becomes a bad sliver at best. We all know that any well placed arrow can get the job done. I just appreciate that little bit of extra help that a durable and large cutting Vortex will give me because sometimes the shot doesn't always go as planned.

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
15-Nov-18

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4 ribs cut in half with a Vortex.
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4 ribs cut in half with a Vortex.

15-Nov-18
The new stainless steel ferrule combined with spring steel blades makes the new 125 gr Vortex formidable. Spring steel can bend and twist but is almost impossible to break. It’s also a very simple design with regards to functionality. Great mech head.

From: kota-man
15-Nov-18
I'm gonna give the new 125's a try. Maybe use one on one of those AZ elk someday Steven!

From: ki-ke
15-Nov-18
"If i cared I'm sure I could find a picture of a vortex head that had been shot into a concrete block also"

If you REALLY didn't care, you wouldn't have posted to the thread.......you fan boys are a hoot....

From: spike78
15-Nov-18
Steve are you going to make an all steel 100 grainer?

From: sam
15-Nov-18
The buck I took last week in North Dakota (snow pic) I imagine I could have killed with a field point but thankfully I used a 100 grain 2" Vortex instead so the blood trail was five feet wide and less than 90 yards long. With my recurve and longbows I use several types of heads (prefer the Rothhaar snuffer) but only Vortex are found in my compound bows quiver. DISCLAIMER: Vortex broadheads must be shot from a Hoyt bow to obtain maximum effectiveness

15-Nov-18
I'm a Rocket Steelhead 125 fan through and through. That said, when my stash of steelheads finally runs dry, I'm going to shoot the new all steel 125 vortex. I like the design though I prefer the steelhead's 3 blades. Pete

From: Matt
15-Nov-18
Guys should be required to post what companies/products they are sponsored by when posting on these forums.

My sense is there would be a trend of "the best broadhead is____" being the same as "the broadhead that pays my rent is____".

16-Nov-18
I have no skin in this game. I buy everything I use. But I remember my brother in law shooting a deer on an angle with the vortex in the early 90s and it kicked sideways. Has that been resolved. Do all mechanicals with this deployment design have that issue of the blade tip catching first and kicking the tail of the arrow a little bit?

From: ELKMAN
16-Nov-18
^^^ That is one of the many issues with the old technology over the top mechanical heads. Rear deploying heads are better in every way.

From: Bowfreak
16-Nov-18
I think the whole kicking out on angles shots is overblown. I can't imagine the animals that have been shot with overt the top mechnicals.

From: APauls
16-Nov-18
Fixed blades deflect, mechanicals deflect, that argument is overblown. I've also tested steelheads on an angled piece of plywood which I realize is not an animal but in fact a worse medium for deflection than an animal. Performance was roughly similar compared to a slick trick and a 3 blade VPA. One could even argue fixed heads are more likely to deflect on impact with bone that strikes just off the side of the leading point. Weird things happen on seemingly perfect shots regardless of head. The vortex look impressive the only thing that concerns me is the lack of angle on the first part of the blade on heavy bone.

From: spike78
16-Nov-18
My buddy shot a deer with the old Vortex and it went in straight and kicked upward into the deers back.

From: Bowfreak
16-Nov-18
I shot a deer with a muzzy 3 blade years ago that entered high lungs and exited the body cavity only an inch or 2 lower on the opposite side. Somehow....it deflected and rode straight down the rib cage between the ribs and the hide and exited at the elbow. Any and all heads can deflect and can do so without obvious explanation.

16-Nov-18
Elkman again do you have firsthand experience with Vortex broadheads? Vortex blades are shatpened to the tip of the blade, this keeps the broadhed from deflecting. In my career of Outfitting and being a part of over 500 archery kills their isn't a broadhead i havent seen used. I can tell you from experience that rear deploying mechanical heads like rage Do not penetrate or out perform the flip style blades. I Guarantee you that a vortex broadhead will out perform and penetrate a rage broadhead especially if heavy bone is encountered. This is not an opinion its a fact.

From: spike78
16-Nov-18
Steve, what makes the flip top out penetrate a rear deploy? I’m not much of a mech guy but I’m curious.

From: smarba
16-Nov-18
Anyone recall Seinfeld arguing with Kramer about the baseball spittle spoof of JFK assasination one shooter versus two? I think we solved the riddle..."the first shot hit, and bounced off, then stopped and turned in midair mind you, and then angled back..." LOL

16-Nov-18
Spike78 It's very simple, when a rear deploying head hits the animal it instantly becomes completely deployed. With that said if that broadhead is a 2" head then you are pushing 2"s of blade through hair, skin, fat, muscle then bone. All that reduces energy, imagine having to push that through a shoulder blade. I'll use Vortex as the flip style head. Ok in the closed position the head is 7/8" if its a 2" head its only pushing 7/8" of blade through the hair, skin, muscle and by the time it get to the bone it will have started to deploy and woukd be pushing approximately 1" of blade through the hard bone. With a vortex style head the broadhead has to travel the lenght of the broadhead plus approximately 1 inch before its completely deployed. This requires les energy thus giving better penetration. I hope this is a good explanation.

From: spike78
16-Nov-18
Yup perfect. I’d like to see some high speed camera in gel that would be neat.

From: spike78
16-Nov-18
Yup perfect. I’d like to see some high speed camera in gel that would be neat.

From: ELKMAN
17-Nov-18
And that is why there is a pin hole entrance with the over the top style mechanicals with very little blood trail if you don't achieve and exit wound. Our testing and field experience shows that the rear deploying heads are superior in every way including penetration... (All things being equal) I notice you had the photos of the competition deleted from your thread.

From: GotBowAz
17-Nov-18
Never had a pin hole entrance with a vortex, ever. in fact all of my shots on both deer and elk with these heads have been near full deployment. Elkman, your thinking of a Schwacker or Sanoran. It takes very little for them to deploy unlike the new collar on Rage and the locking detent feature on Killzones. But the main reason IMO for better penetration is that the blades are not as flat as the rear deploying head out on the ends of the blade where the leverage to slow a head down is playing a major factor in penetration. The inside of the blade towards the body is choppier but it's a very small area compared to Rage or Killzone. Both of those heads are choppy rather than slice. The outside blade angle of the vortex is much more slice than of the rear deploying heads.

From: Sam
17-Nov-18
Elkman, my buck pictured in this thread had no exit wound , I shot it at a very steep angle, the Broadhead went in the short ribs going completely through the entire body cavity. The blood trail was as wide as my trucks tailgate. I wish I had videotaped it, the blood came out the entrance hole with an aerosol effect, you can kinda see it in the pic. Steven would probably send you some heads to try, you wouldn’t be disappointed. Of course as with most things archery related you need to use what gives you the greatest confidence. Post some more elk pics, they’re awesome!

From: Bowfreak
17-Nov-18
Sponsors pay the way for us to use this site for free. Questions about their product is one thing.... crapping on their threads is another.

17-Nov-18
What holds the blades on a Vortex closed? Looks like a rubber o-ring? For those who haven't shot the new Trypans, the new keyed collar is awesome. If you're not getting enough kinetic energy out of your setup to snap two small plastic tabs, you should rethink it. The Vortex looks like a nice head, and if it's working for some folks, that's great....shoot whatever gives you the results you desire. As far as crapping on products who are sponsors, don't forget Rage is a huge sponsor of the Pope and Young Club. Thank you for supporting Bowsite, Mr. Ward....if my Trypans fail to produce, I'll give your Vortex a try...especially if they're powered by real tornadoes! ;-)

From: Dirk Diggler
17-Nov-18
If you aren't sharp enough to see this as a promotion for a product you should probably have your nose in a book instead of bowsite. Thanx for the pics, everybody loves horn porn! Would love to hear more about that bison!

From: Matt
17-Nov-18
"And that is why there is a pin hole entrance with the over the top style mechanicals with very little blood trail if you don't achieve and exit wound."

Direct question: do you get paid by or receive free/discounted product from Rage?

There is a big difference between being passionate and recommending a product and being a shill.

The Vortex has a 7/8" closed width and sharpened blade tips. My experience is that the entrance holes are generally just over 1", pretty comparable to 2 blade COC broadhead. Ergo, not a pin hole.

The Vortex design permits the BH to penetrate through the hide before fully deploying which conserves energy compared to rear-deploying broadheads like Rage, increasing the likelihood of achieving an exit wound.

Not that it necessarily matters, but I paid full price for the dozen Vortex 125 gr. steel I recently purchased,.

17-Nov-18
Elkman No point in arguing with you, you sir are obviously uneducated in physics and mechanics. Have a nice day.

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From: Ambush
17-Nov-18
Looks like you threw a DOUBLE bitted axe through there.

From: spike78
17-Nov-18
Steve just tell ELKMAN you shot those with a Hoyt and he will only be half a douche bag lol. Those 2.75” heads are rediculous. What is the draw weight on the bow?

17-Nov-18
Spike78 We reccomend no less than 60 fp of ke

From: thedude
17-Nov-18
They look like a great head for a crossbow

From: ELKMAN
18-Nov-18
I would Sam but the counter side of this discussion is not aloud to post photos on this thread. They will be deleted immediately. And Spike: I shoot a Realm X so I'm not sure what your taking about. Steve: Anytime you want to seriously discuss physics relating to this topic, you just let me know...

From: Matt
18-Nov-18
So, are you sponsored by Rage or not?

From: 1boonr
18-Nov-18
Why have I never seen a deer shot with a fixed blade run off with almost the entire arrow sticking out. Without a doubt there have been more calls to use my tracking dog who shot mechanicals than fixed. I’m not sayin they don’t work but they don’t fix every problem caused by taking poor shots

From: Catscratch
18-Nov-18
I like the ballistics gel idea. Wrap a block of get with some leather or pig skin and do some slow motion videos of several types of broadhead. I think points could be prove6 so to speak.

From: PECO
18-Nov-18
1boonr, because they use a super light arrow with a MBH, then take long shots. That's great but the super light arrow comes off the bow fast then has no energy left when it reaches the target. They only care about speed off the bow, and don't understand some weight is needed to carry that speed, (momentum), to have energy down range. It's all about who's arrow is fastest off the bow, sad.

From: PECO
18-Nov-18
1boonr, because they use a super light arrow with a MBH, then take long shots. That's great but the super light arrow comes off the bow fast then has no energy left when it reaches the target. They only care about speed off the bow, and don't understand some weight is needed to carry that speed, (momentum), to have energy down range. It's all about who's arrow is fastest off the bow, sad.

From: Sam
18-Nov-18

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Entrance hole from a few hours ago this morning

From: Sam
18-Nov-18

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Exit hole 40 yard recovery

From: Sam
18-Nov-18
Note the “pin-hole” entrance... ??

From: Sam
18-Nov-18

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Made for a fun recovery for my pups....Ray Charles could follow the blood trail.

From: Matt
18-Nov-18
Folks often comment about poor penetration with MBH's based on situations they see in hunting videos. I've read and heard that, as examples, the Drurys shoot relatively light poundage and very high arrow speeds which infer very low arrow weights (53# draw weight and 321 fps were referenced in one interview). There are lots of factors that play into penetration, but for some reason pundits tend to get tunnel vision when accounting for poor penetration when MBH's are involved.

18-Nov-18
I like that cut, but i sould love to see some kind of “bleeder” blade to give me a little cut the other direction. I personally would rather have a little less cut 3-4 directions than just one slit.

From: spike78
18-Nov-18
Elkman weren’t you mr Hoyt or maybe someone else?

18-Nov-18

Ward's Outfitters's embedded Photo
Ward's Outfitters's embedded Photo
Elkman you obviously have never shot Vortex broadheads. You are also out of your mind to think that a 2" rage would out penetrate a 2" Vortex if they were shot into the exact same median

From: ELKMAN
19-Nov-18
Spike: I'm "Mr. who ever is making the best equipment". Right now on the bow side that is Bowtech with the Realm series, and on the broad head side NOTHING sucks the life out of an animal faster than a Rage 2 blade... NOTHING

From: spike78
19-Nov-18
Hey at least you have an open mind lol. Just messing with you.

From: Scar Finga
19-Nov-18
Steven, Thanks for being a Bowsite sponsor! And gents, I am no fanboy, just ask Steven... But good grief he is showing what his product can, and does do, and very well and impressive I might add, and I don't shoot mechanicals... If you don't like it just keep scrolling! I knew before I clicked on this thread what it was about. Keep putting them in the freezer Steven, and thanks again for being a sponsor!

Scar

19-Nov-18

Ward's Outfitters's Link
Elkman just in case you missed this.

https://www.facebook.com/steven.ward.3701/videos/vb.1119994385/10213382160244702/?type=3

From: ELKMAN
19-Nov-18
Hey guys use what you believe in. I know I will. There were some VERY strong statements made at the very beginning of this thread by Steve. I am just making countering statements on my side/opinion on things. Not really a fair fight/debate though when the OP deletes any opposing proof now is it. I'm sure Vortex is decent broad head for old style expandable technology, but I prefer a rear deploying head and HUGE entry holes in case there is no exit. My profile page is FULL of the proof...

19-Nov-18
Elkman I agree with using what you have the most confidence in. What are you referring to that was deleted.

From: stealthycat
19-Nov-18
can you also post how many have been lost when shooting Vortex? what's that number?

From: Matt
19-Nov-18
Perhaps the Bowsite admins deleted posts which were perceived as thinly veiled Rage advertisements as they were made by what we can only assume is a paid Rage spokesperson?

Allowing that sort of content isn't really fair to paying Bowsite sponsors.

From: ki-ke
19-Nov-18
I did not click on the link Steven posted above, but I am assuming it is the plywood shoot through test he posted on FB a few weeks back. I did watch that and will say I was VERY impressed. I would also like to say that I have never purchased a Vortex OR and broadheads from Rage. I'm not a fan of mechanicals. But, after seeing that plywood test and how that head did not come undone after a dozen or so penetrations through 3/4" plywood, I have to say I am considering a stroll to the dark side....lol

All that to say, has a comparable, non partisan test been done with any Rage product? I'm sure both heads have killed plenty of game, but what does the durability comparison look like?

From: 12yards
20-Nov-18
"Vortex broadheads are absolutely superior to all other mechanical broadheads."

I read this and immediately lost interest in ever shooting Vortex Broadheads.

From: Forest bows
20-Nov-18

Forest bows's embedded Photo
Forest bows's embedded Photo
Just shot this deer with Vortex 2" head....... Bad shot big blood trail easy recovery!

21-Nov-18
Great Buck Forest.

From: greg simon
21-Nov-18
I really don't see what some of you guys are complaining about. If you are the owner/manufacturer/marketer of a product and you don't believe it is the best out there then I might have a problem with you!

Steven Ward is a sponsor here and he makes a post promoting his product, good for him. He honestly believes his product is great, good for him. Others disagree with him, good for them too, it's still a free country. Steven Ward also clearly stated "I agree with using what you have the most confidence in". I don't think anyone can find fault with the guy for trying to give others confidence in the product he makes!

It's called advertising people, it happens all the time!!!

21-Nov-18
Greg: Agree 100%. In the crazy world of social media marketing negative posting on good products actually sells more of the product since it allows more explanation of how it works and shows the results. In talking with Steven sales are ramping up very well for Vortex and I’ve got some on the way myself.

From: Brianc86
21-Nov-18
Shot placement is key. Doesn’t matter what head you use accuracy trumps all. If you have to shoot a huge head for those “ what if “ chances you probably should go out and practice more.

21-Nov-18
I wish we had Massachusetts deer here so that as long as I practiced enough to be proficient in my shooting, I could control every variable and whether a deer stands still during the shot. And to hunt in the woods that don’t have any unseen twigs that could possibly deflect and arrow, that would be pretty cool too. Brian, that’s very impressive that you can control all of that everytime u shoot at a deer.....

From: 12yards
21-Nov-18
Would love to see penetration testing done by an unbiased source. IMVHO, the flat leading edge of the Vortex doesn't seem like it would do that well. Like I said, just an opinion. Just doesn't seem logical to me.

From: Brianc86
21-Nov-18
I wish you had these deer in pa, they just stand still!!!

From: M.Pauls
21-Nov-18
Hey Steven, I keep checking back on this thread to see if I will satisfy my curiosity. Never handled one of your heads in person. Could you make even a short video explaining how your broadhead penatrates deeper and has “delayed expansion” even if you just sort of mock it up going through a piece of paper and opening it with your fingers or something? Because just off pictures I would have assumed it opens like any other grim reaper or rocket steelhead. You have a lot of confidence in your head which is awesome, I would love to see what separates the vortex from the crowd

21-Nov-18
M.Pauls

Let's get past this hokiday weekend and i will make a short video.

From: wifishkiller
21-Nov-18
I’m not shooting them currently, but I would agree there blades are dang tough. They bend a bit but I’ve never broke one.

21-Nov-18
I never shot mechanicals. right now I am shooting ramcat diamondback 125s. I also shoot a recurve #85 @ 30 inch draw. Would the 1.5 inch work on moose with this setup? Oh ya my arrow weighs 780 grains and was chrono graphed at 203 ft per second.

From: HEAD DOCTOR
21-Nov-18
A thought came to me when Mr. Roher was talking about marketing tools. Well, You should have tried to market a new broadhead IN 1987...VORTEX when everyone you showed it to thought it was a fishing head. Our first profitable sale in the archery industry was May 2, 1988. We gave a good number out to anyone that would shoot it to test & to be sure it worked like it was supposed to on animals before we put it on the market. I must say one of my favorite demo's was shooting a fat Tucson phone book. You could open the pages and see how and at what points the blades were opening as it went into the phone book.

From: Thornton
22-Nov-18
I'd rather use Rage

From: Matt
22-Nov-18
M.Pauls, the o-ring has to move down the ferrule a ways before the blades can fully deploy, which results in the BH penetrating a bit before the full cutting diameter is in play. There may be something to the sharpened blade tips slowing actuation as they may present less resistance on the hide/hair than BH designs with blunt tips which are presumably a design feature to force blade deployment.

From: ELKMAN
23-Nov-18
I think most mech. shooters agree with Thornton...

From: Bowfreak
23-Nov-18
You are probably right Elkman. Most mechanical shooters are robots and buy what they see the "pros" on TV shoot.

If they all shot Toxic heads, so would the masses.

From: Sam
23-Nov-18
Really looking forward to annual Coues hunt in a week and a half, hopefully I can at least kill a tiny Coues with a crummy Vortex.

From: Matt
23-Nov-18
"I think most mech. shooters agree with Thornton..."

Especially the shills that get paid to covertly pimp products.

From: APauls
23-Nov-18
I too have a hard time getting past the flat-ish front on it. That's always been my hangup.

From: Sam
23-Nov-18
Apauls.... they ain’t Purdy, till they open, lol

From: Pope125
23-Nov-18
If there was two things I like they fly great , I killed the biggest bodied deer Ive ever killed in 46 years of bowhunting with a Vortex 2 weeks ago . Did not make the best of shot , will say that Vortex saved my butt. The exit hole on that deer was bigger than my first .

From: hunting dad
23-Nov-18
As in all things, shot placement is paramount. I don't go for all that "expand your kill zone" crap. Aim small, miss small. I will say, the large cutting diameter has saved my butt more then once on poor hits. I used to laugh at the vortex till I finally tried it. I did my research, adjusted my equipment accordingly and have taken 60 animals with them. From AZ to Africa, they have done well for me. No, I am not associated with Marden, just a satisfied customer.

From: APauls
23-Nov-18
^^^There is no arguing the beauty in a giant hole ;) From what I've seen generally guys that opt for the larger mechanicals end up backing away from the shoulder just a little more as bone is the major hurdle and are well served by it. A deer hit center of body vertically is a dead deer and those huge gashes seem to put them down in short order. Gut shots aren't the fear they used to be that's for sure.

From: spike78
23-Nov-18
I’ve read more crap about Rages opening on flight, not opening when they hit, broken cheap China blades, crappy penetration and yet the Rage users are bashing Vortex. I used a Rage once and it was the cheapest looking broadhead I’ve ever seen. Stopped using them after they opened on every little twig I bumped them on.

From: Alzy
23-Nov-18
I’m interested in the 125 steel heads; looking at the pictures of the head, it appears the first section of the cutting surface is 90 degrees to the ferrule. Would this impede penetration?

24-Nov-18
Alzy Penetration is not reduced because of the angle of the blade when entering. Unlike most mechanicals our blades are sharpened so they are cutting their way in not punching.

From: Beachtree
24-Nov-18
My experience with vortex .killed several turkeys with the 2 3/4 inch version worked great. Took one the blades two pair of pliers bent it into curly q . It did not break and didn't bend easily. Last fall shot a bull square in the guts, backed out came back 5 hours later he didn't go a hundred yards. I know if I used a small head I would never have found him.

From: ELKMAN
24-Nov-18

ELKMAN's embedded Photo
ELKMAN's embedded Photo
Entry on my buck from a few days ago. Wasn't alive for 10 seconds, and dropped in sight as per usual. I haven't had to blood trail an animal in like 3 years... Nuff said.

From: DConcrete
24-Nov-18
Elkman, if f you’d like to advertise, then be a business man and pay your way on this site to do this. He’s doing an advertisement for himself.

Be a man and get rage to sponsor the site and then you can advertise. Until then, get off of other people’s coat tails.

You sir, are a joke to everything you represent. You push people away from your cause.

24-Nov-18
Elkman Is this a Rage post? I didn't think so!!! Keep it up and I will be sure to show countless hours of video footage where rage failed, broke, didn't penetrate. If you want to know which one is the best , buy a few Vortex and you will see the truth.

I would love to make a few videos, but i'm trying to spend a few extra hours with the family prior to going on my Desert Sheep hunt on Wednesday.

From: t-roy
24-Nov-18

t-roy's embedded Photo
“I don’t always use a rifle, and when I do bowhunt, I use Rage broadheads”
t-roy's embedded Photo
“I don’t always use a rifle, and when I do bowhunt, I use Rage broadheads”
“I think most mech. shooters agree with Thornton”

Not your strongest argument, ELKMAN.

From: Native Okie
25-Nov-18
LOL!

From: RIT
25-Nov-18
Saying you have the best mechanical is like saying you took the cutest fat girl to prom.

A lot of those animals would have died to other Broadheads.

From: DConcrete
25-Nov-18
In the field of bad Broadheads, fixed blades have a larger array of garbage heads. Both heads have their time and place. To claim that it’s akin to taking the cutest fat girl to the prom isn’t even a close comparison.

You say a lot of those animals would’ve died. I can’t help but notice you didn’t say all would’ve died.

The simple fact remains. The vortex head is a bad ass head. At least give credit where credit is due. Small mindedness is not a good virtue.

It ain’t what we don’t know that gets us into trouble. It’s what we know that just ain’t so that does.

That’s a quote, or damn close to Mark Twain.

From: Brianc86
25-Nov-18
Muzzy trocar! My deer dropped 15 -20 yards roughly, dead in under 10 seconds, no huge wound needed, accuracy and consistent practice is what matters. Don’t be lazy

From: Bowfreak
25-Nov-18
Brian,

You have no idea what you are talking about. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of of guys on this site that shoot mechanical heads shoot optimally tuned setups.

The laziness you talk about is best described by those who have opinions about certain things but yet have no experience to back up their opinions.

Assuming one has energy to burn statistically speaking a mechanical head will give one a better chance to kill than a fixed head.

From: Brianc86
25-Nov-18
Hahaha yup, clearly I have no idea.

From: Forest bows
25-Nov-18
Why would anyone bash a sponsor of this site?

From: Brianc86
25-Nov-18
Fixed blade has a lot less room for errors, the only thing to really fail is the person behind the bow, not the Broadhead. To many risks with mechanical heads. Pictures on here of these huge gaping wounds when fixed heads put them down as fast if not faster. It is exactly why some states don’t allow mechanical heads.

From: Brianc86
25-Nov-18
Nobody is bashing anyone, it’s all opinions.

From: Ermine
25-Nov-18
Yea fixed blades work Well when placed in the right spot. No one is arguing that. And Steven never said vortex are the only broadhead ghat can work on animals.

I think where the large cut heads come into place is when the shots are less than perfect

From: Forest bows
25-Nov-18
Brian How many big game animals have you shot with a arrow?

From: Brianc86
25-Nov-18
I reckon Iv shot me bout 15 of dem pesky grey squirrels , few of them were MONSTERS, so I know what I am talking about!.

From: Ambush
25-Nov-18
I think Brian is avoiding the question.

From: Ambush
25-Nov-18
Yes you did, Brian. That tells me you haven't had much experience, but would like to talk like you do.

Apparently, from your post on another thread, you've also had hand to paw combat with grizzly bears.

From: RIT
25-Nov-18
Don’t take yourself so serious DC. It was a little attempt at humor. Now you are an expert on what virtues I have. Give me a break. I really feel sorry for you.

From: Ambush
25-Nov-18
There is something that evokes pity when watching a little fish wriggling on a hook. Back you go Brian.

The OP can delete my posts as they have nothing to do with Vortex and are really just as useless as the silly comments I was responding to.

From: Forest bows
25-Nov-18
Answer the question Brian

From: Ucsdryder
25-Nov-18
Forest he’s trolling. Ignore him.

From: wifishkiller
25-Nov-18
It’s hilarious how a guy gets on a post saying how great fixblades are, given a good bunch of these guys are straight up killers.

Assuming 15 is a real number Brian , that’s a normal season for some of us...

From: Pope125
25-Nov-18
I have been Bowhunting close to 46 years , won't even say how many animals I have killed with a bow , would probably get laughed at . Thru my early years I used to shoot 150 arrows a day and shoot 80 lbs , and as I got older it started taking a tole on my right shoulder . Probably doing 100 lb dumbbell presses did not help . In 35 years never once used a mechanical , and used one of the smallest heads out there a G5 Striker . About 10 years ago , I was not shooting as much and my accuracy got worse . I went to a mechanical , in the last 10 years that big cutting heads saved my ass more than once . I think if your a real good shot , and put it in the boiler any fixed head will work . IMO , you get like myself and start to make marginal shots that big cutting head helps .

From: Forest bows
25-Nov-18
Yep^^^

25-Nov-18
You dont need to give a number. The fact that you think that YOU control all variables when shooting at a deer with a bow and arrow and being accurate in your yard when shooting at a still target says everything there is needed to know about you.

Yes, being accurate goes a long ways towards being successful in the field. But it doesnt GUARANTEE you anything in the field. And a giant gaping hole isnt nevessary everytime. But i use them for the times that gaping hole is the difference. If u can keep hitting them perfect, every time without fail, great for you. But if you havent had anything go “wrong” and a variable u cant necessarily control cause your arrow to impact a little different than you intended, most likely you havent shot at a bunch of deer. Regardless if you have or havent, if you keep getti g shots, a bit of humility in your thoughts on this is gonna show up at some point. Its not a black and white deal, IMO.

From: HEAD DOCTOR
25-Nov-18
The one thing you have absolutely NO control over is the reaction of the animal to the shot! I don't care if you are the greatest shot in the world. When and if the animal turns inside out trying to jump the string and your shot does not hit the animal exactly where you aimed..... that's when the BIG cutters shine.

25-Nov-18
This thread got silly real fast. Hmm, maybe if Ward gives away some freebie heads like the other guy the negative nancies might come around.

26-Nov-18

Ward's Outfitters's embedded Photo
Ward's Outfitters's embedded Photo
Sheep on my mind. I'll be shooting the Vortex 100 grsin 2.75" on this hunt.

From: ELKMAN
26-Nov-18
Good luck on the sheep! That is a once in a lifetime opportunity for sure. How in thee hell did you draw that tag? I look forward to hearing/seeing the story.

From: Ken
26-Nov-18
Being in the bathroom with a sheep is a felony in some states. :)

Good luck on your desert BH hunt!

From: midwest
26-Nov-18
LOL @ Ken!

Good luck, Steven...wow!

From: njbuck
26-Nov-18
Good luck on the hunt Steven, there is no doubt a ram that is living his last few days right now.

From: ki-ke
26-Nov-18
Please start a new thread so we can follow this......

From: t-roy
26-Nov-18
The hot tub in the background is a nice added touch! ;-)

Good Luck on the sheep hunt, Steven!

From: Brotsky
26-Nov-18
Good luck on the sheep hunt Steven! Hope to see another thread here doing a recap!

From: GotBowAz
27-Nov-18
Good luck Steven! I cant wait to see your write up. Like the decoy. This should be a fun hunt for you.

27-Nov-18

Mathewshootrphone's embedded Photo
Mathewshootrphone's embedded Photo
New 125 gr steel

From: Shug
27-Nov-18
Brian?!? “Cricket cricket cricket “

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
27-Nov-18
Good luck Steven...although I don't think you need luck! Somewhere out there is a ram that's about to get a ride in you pack. Just keep that heart rate down in the safe zone! Aim small brother.

From: HEAD DOCTOR
30-Nov-18
There is only spotty service where he is at. The location of the hunt is in the Berry Goldwater bombing range east of Yuma AZ.

From: ki-ke
30-Nov-18
Steven is Sheep hunting with Laser guided bombs??!! After this thread, I came to the conclusion that NOTHING compared to the lethality of a 2-3/4" Vortex!! May as well hunt with a recurve..... ; ^ )

Wheres Brian?

From: Bowboy
01-Dec-18
Good luck Steve! Please post pictures and story after the hunt.

From: HEAD DOCTOR
03-Dec-18
Steven killed a ram today at about 1:30pm or so. At 5:15 they had reached the bottom of the mountain and have not heard from him since. I think they had a 5 mile hike back to camp.

From: GotBowAz
04-Dec-18
Head Doctor, Any updates? I hope his packout went well.

From: HEAD DOCTOR
04-Dec-18
Every thing is good...Thank God! He called me right after he shot the Ram and I have never heard Steven in that tone of voice. I immediately assumed something negative. Did He fall off of a cliff? Did He have heart issues? Did someone helping him hurt himself????????????? He finally got it out and said "I killed one"!

From: t-roy
04-Dec-18
Congrats Steven!

From: ELKMAN
04-Dec-18
Which one of your heads did he use for this hunt?

From: HEAD DOCTOR
04-Dec-18
100 grain 2-1/2 I believe. As far as I know he spine shot it at 18 yards.

From: njbuck
04-Dec-18
It was only a matter of time before he killed one. When I was with him in August he was saying how he was told it is nearly impossible to kill a ram in that unit with a bow. He killed on in a few days. Steven is a stone cold killer and I would not want to be an animal with him chasing me. Congrats buddy!!

From: kota-man
04-Dec-18
Wow...Fantastic...Congrats Steven.

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
04-Dec-18
When I was with Steven in September he was mentally preparing to hunt the entire month of December and only taking time off for Christmas (his family always takes priority). Guess now he's gonna be spending time shopping for presents! Way to go brother!!

From: sticksender
04-Dec-18
Congrats to Steven. And I want to hear this story.

04-Dec-18
Yep, Steven gets what he goes after. Congrats!

From: HEAD DOCTOR
04-Dec-18
100 grain 2-1/2 I believe. As far as I know he spine shot it at 18 yards.

From: Sam
04-Dec-18

Sam's embedded Photo
Sam's embedded Photo

From: Sam
04-Dec-18

Sam's embedded Photo
Sam's embedded Photo

From: Matt
04-Dec-18

05-Dec-18
Real men shoot fixed heads

From: Bowbender
05-Dec-18
"Saying one broadhead is the best because you say it's the best probably isn't accurate. "

No, but nobody ever claimed that their product was 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best either. I would fully expect the manufacturer of a product to say theirs is the best. I mean you don't see Chevy, Ford or Dodge ads on TV saying "Hey our trucks came in 3rd on JD Powers survey on customer satisfaction". Or chanting we're number 2, we're number 2.

EDIT -

Congrats Steve!! What a fine ram!!

From: GotBowAz
05-Dec-18
Congrats Steve, nice Ram!

From: Ken
05-Dec-18
Nice ram! Congratulations.

From: midwest
05-Dec-18
WTG Steven!

From: Scar Finga
05-Dec-18
Very Nice Ram, Congratulations!!!

From: ELKMAN
05-Dec-18
AWESOME! I am so jealous. Congratulations! How long did it take you to draw the tag?

From: PECO
05-Dec-18
Congrats on a nice Ram!

From: bowbender77
05-Dec-18
Great job Stephen ! Congrats !

07-Dec-18
Thanks guys, it was an amazing experience. If you haven't seen it yet im writing a short story on the sheep page.

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